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New Zealand Firm's Four-Day Week an 'Unmitigated Success' (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: The New Zealand company behind a landmark trial of a four-day working week has concluded it an unmitigated success, with 78% of employees feeling they were able to successfully manage their work-life balance, an increase of 24 percentage points. Two-hundred-and-forty staff at Perpetual Guardian, a company which manages trusts, wills and estate planning, trialled a four-day working week over March and April, working four, eight-hour days but getting paid for five. Jarrod Haar, professor of human resource management at Auckland University of Technology, found job and life satisfaction increased on all levels across the home and work front, with employees performing better in their jobs and enjoying them more than before the experiment. Work-life balance, which reflected how well respondents felt they could successfully manage their work and non-work roles, increased by 24%. In November last year just over half (54%) of staff felt they could effectively balance their work and home commitments, while after the trial this number jumped to 78%. Staff stress levels decreased by 7 percentage points across the board as a result of the trial, while stimulation, commitment and a sense of empowerment at work all improved significantly, with overall life satisfaction increasing by 5 percentage points.

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  1. Already known by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just ask my brother-in-law: he works no days a week and reports it an unmitigated success. Zero stress as well!

    1. Re:Already known by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've worked 4 x 10 hour schedules in the past. It is quite nice to have one weekday to do all your shopping and errands when everyone else is at work, leaving weekends wide open. Three day weekends give you a lot more options. Unfortunately, if your business requires you to support customers on that other day, it can cause challenges. Split shifts can bring inefficiencies.

  2. Lazy Kiwis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get back to work! Those sheep won't shag themselves!

  3. Missed Most Important Metrics by ranton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope this firm's 4-day work week is an unmitigated success, but this story misses the most important metrics for measuring the success: increased worker productivity, increased retention, various recruitment KPIs, etc. These are the metrics which can show that this plan will work for a larger number of companies. If the only thing that happens is happier employees, it is a failed experiment. Just give every employee a million dollars if you only care about happy employees. If you want to find a way to improve employee well-being while running a sustainable successful business, then you need to real metrics for success.

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    1. Re:Missed Most Important Metrics by jythie · · Score: 3, Informative

      Keep in mind that the workload, the expectations, the things that needed to get done, those did not change. This is a pretty major point since being overworked or not getting tasks completed is a major contributor to stress.

    2. Re:Missed Most Important Metrics by Kokuyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am as cynical as they come but how is this a failed experiment if you lose nothing but have happier employees?

      Sure there'll be asshats who don't get science who think it is not in their favor unless the bottom line shows it but to anyone with more than two braincells to rub together it's pretty clear that if you don't lose anything by enhancing the lives of people around you, then it's a win. Even if only for the fact that you sleep better at night.

      This has to be proven scientifically of course, but I have a hard time imagining how happier and thus more motivated workers could not improve your bottom line...

      Also think about this: The work that took five days previously now gets done in four. That automatically leaves you one day more to be productive. You just need a few more bodies. In a sense this is similar to working shifts.

    3. Re:Missed Most Important Metrics by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you want to find a way to improve employee well-being while running a sustainable successful business, then you need to real metrics for success.

      That will never work in the U.S.A., though. They don't use metric.

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    4. Re:Missed Most Important Metrics by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd bet continuous regular stress (five days a week) is more harmful than shorter lengths of slightly higher stress (four days a week).

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  4. This is America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In America, we do not strive to have a better life. We feel that at as long as we work as close to death as possible without actually dying, that is just good enough. Politicians should never, ever, tell a corporation what to do or how to treat their employees, since the employees should just be grateful they have a job in the first place.

    This mentality is why America is the greatest country on earth. Our hard work has resulted in a strong government, powerful military, world-class health care, an education system second to none, the best infrastructure anyone has ever seen, and with everyone working so hard crime is at an all time low.

    I mean really, what relevant data point does America NOT excel in relative to any other country?

    1. Re:This is America by azcoyote · · Score: 4, Funny

      We feel that at as long as we work as close to death as possible without actually dying, that is just good enough.

      Yep, that pretty well describes my American lifestyle. I'm pretty amazed how much I can physically, intellectually, and emotionally drain myself without ever managing to die.

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  5. Focus by Bongo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wonder if modern workplace, with so much interfacing with others by email and meetings, requires so much focus and switching, that your brain seriously needs the break.

  6. Here's something even better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A 4 x 8 hour schedule. I work 32 hours a week and could never go back. My day off is Wednesday, a tactical decision which preserves most if not all holidays, and more importantly gives me a maximum of 2 consecutive days of work. Highly recommended if you can pull it off.

    1. Re:Here's something even better by EnsilZah · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, I've had that too for a while.
      It's essentially like having your work week subdivided into two 2-day mini work weeks, which are a lot easier to stomach.
      And when I would go to work It would be with an attitude of 'Let's get some shit done, wonder what they'll give me next, wonder what I've missed', rather than 'Oh shit, now I have to get through five days of this until I get to relax'.
      Of course there's also the added bonus of being able to run all my errands, buy groceries, deal with the bank at my own leisure and without the crowds.
      I've also shed some of my geeky pallor because I can take a long bicycle ride in the middle of the day and catch some sun.

      I say 'had' because right now I've reduced my work week to 3 days at that company and am working two 5-hour shifts for another company from home, with flexible hours due to a difference in timezones, to test things out before I decide to switch to them full time.

  7. I have been doing this by kubajz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For some time now, I have a "full time job" that I do four days a week and I am treated as a full-time employee, and I do some work for a nonprofit on the fifth day. I have to agree that I feel my work performance is not worse and I am much happier about the job as well. In many jobs, condensing the work from five to four days helps focus and removes slack...

  8. Re:Face Palm by kilfarsnar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, next we should try a three-day week. Then imagine how much better a two-day week will be! When we get to zero, the work-life balance will be perfect!

    At that point you wouldn't be working. Work-Life balance not found. But sure, I'd love a three or two day work week, if I could still maintain my comfortable lifestyle. Why wouldn't we want that?

    I must say, it's impressive how conditioned we are to work. Our society's needs are over-filled. We produce too much, and throw away a lot of it. Automation is getting to the point where we could all work less, have more leisure time, and still have all the products we need. Yet when we hear stories like this one, in which people are working less and reporting measurable benefits, the reaction of many is to scoff at it. Why? Do we feel so trapped in our 40+ hour week lives that we resent the people making an improvement? Do we think the only thing of value in our lives is the work we do?

    Personally, I work to live. If I could live a fairly comfortable life, like I do now, without working, I would quit my job tomorrow. The only reason I put up with the bullshit I do, day after day, is that it gets me a nice house and a nice car, the ability to travel and eat at restaurants, and all the other nice things money can buy (including a lack of financial anxiety). If I could have all that, with less of the daily bullshit, it would be great. I'd probably even give up a bit in order to work less. It's not laziness. It's the recognition that I want more out of life than being someone's employee.

    I understand that our Capitalist and monetary systems require us all to stay on the hamster wheel. That's a whole other discussion. I'm just remarking on the negative reactions of many to the idea that working less would be nice.

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  9. Re:You're assuming some very important questions by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It claims to have "employees performing better in their jobs and enjoying them more than before the experiment." That at least suggests a per-hour productivity increase.

    I'd like to know some real metrics, too. I want four 7-hour days, and have observed that office work is not time-productive: a lot happens in downtime, where employees wait for other work to be done, or think on things and rest their minds to improve problem-solving. This is the phenomena that you cannot do 10 hours of work by compacting it into 5 hours even though you only spent 4 of those 10 hours actually working.

    Multi-tasking represents one approach: do something else while you can't simply move to the next step. Multi-tasking sacrifices some productivity when the delay is internal: if you're dealing with programmers, engineers, marketing, and other creative problem solvers, loading them with a different task disrupts their capacity to solve all tasks.

    Leisure is an alternate approach: get up and leave. Come back to this later.

  10. Re:Face Palm by jrumney · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are plenty of studies already, including from Ford's own studies that led to the standard 40 hour work week, that peak productivity is reached around 30 hours per week.

  11. Re:Face Palm by apoc.famine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd probably even give up a bit in order to work less. It's not laziness. It's the recognition that I want more out of life than being someone's employee.

    But then you'd have less value to society. As long as we're capitalistic-focused, your value in society is in what you produce and what you consume. Do less of either, and you're a less valuable person to society.

    Combine that with a puritanical mindset that god rewards the just and punishes the unjust, and you've got the wonderful world-view of working you described. It's going to be very hard to overcome that in a majority of the population, which would be necessary to make the societal shift to working less.

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  12. Performance improved by Immerman · · Score: 4, Informative

    You missed the part where they said employee performance also improved - which is what the company paying them undoubtedly cares about. If you can pay your employees the same amount, they do more/better work, morale improves, AND they get an extra day off every week to focus on their own life, then everybody wins.

    Maybe you could maintain/improve performance further with a three-day week, but I suspect the combination of the larger increase in per-hour productivity required, in combination with the smaller incremental reduction in stress, would make that difficult. Though it might well be worth investigating, in smaller increments to try to find the optimal "sweet spot". Perhaps 3 10-hour days, or 4 7-hour days or something would yield even greater productivity.

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  13. Re:Face Palm by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, if four days is a bad idea, why not a six day week? What makes five days the perfect amount of time to work for all jobs?

    The answer is that there is no optimal number that's right for all jobs. If you're a dairy farmer the cows have to be milked seven days a week. If you're a paper pusher, that next piece of paper can usually wait longer than a cow.

    My own observations of desk workers is that the longer they spend at the desk, the larger proportion of time they spend at non-productive tasks. I've known people who habitually put in sixty hours a week who never are working very hard. Is the long week the cause of low work intensity, or vice versa? I'd say both: it's a vicious circle.

    If you made no other changes, reducing a desk worker's week from five days to four would make him less productive, but probably not 20% less productive. But an intelligent plan wouldn't leave things to chance; you'd set a pace of work that is sustainable for four days but not for five. You'd disallow a lot of time-wasting activities that are tolerated now because the work week has plenty of hours in it.

    Would that work for every job? Of course not. But there's no reason to think that five eight hour days is optimal for every job or person either.

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  14. Re:Face Palm by Dragonslicer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But then you'd have less value to society. As long as we're capitalistic-focused, your value in society is in what you produce and what you consume. Do less of either, and you're a less valuable person to society.

    A major point of this company's change to a 32-hour work week is that overall performance improved. So by working 4 days per week instead of 5, these people are producing more. Pure capitalist ideology should dictate that many more companies make the same change.

  15. Re:Face Palm by jiriw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Capitalism has nothing to do with societal values of persons.

    But then again, our economies (I'm Dutch, I suppose you're from the U.S.) are not capitalist - too much regulation for that, for better or worse, and too many (near) monopolies. And in both our societies, the people that work the most are definitely not the ones considered most valuable. Quite the opposite. It seems those that are valued the most produce the least or are sometimes even counter-productive. They often have the most wealth 'though...

  16. Re:Face Palm by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd probably even give up a bit in order to work less. It's not laziness. It's the recognition that I want more out of life than being someone's employee.

    But then you'd have less value to society. As long as we're capitalistic-focused, your value in society is in what you produce and what you consume. Do less of either, and you're a less valuable person to society.

    Actually, that’s not true. At some point, you’re working too much to consume things. Having more time off means you can travel and consume goods and services all over the world. Admittedly, a single day won’t do that, but it still means you have more time to consume.

    Also, you’re incorrectly assuming that the product of your work is the most valuable output that you can produce. For most of us in software, our work will become less valuable over time as technology changes, and will slowly be replaced by someone else’s work. So if we have any creative hobbies that could produce something that has lasting value, such as music, art, poetry, or prose, then our potential value to society is being squandered by spending all day five days per week working in our primary jobs, and we would contribute more to society by working less so we can work more, so to speak.

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  17. Re:Face Palm by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why should your value to society be judged on whether or not you're someone else's employee? If I had a whole day to do anything I wanted, I'd write more, releasing more stories for people to read. I'd do more freelance, still making web sites/applications, but as my own employee. I'd do more with my kids, raising them to be even better members of society. I'd spend more time with my wife, perhaps "consuming" more during days out together. I might even try making my own little company if I had a good enough idea for one. My value to society shouldn't be judged on whether I'm currently at work or in a store buying something.

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  18. Re:Face Palm by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's also variations within each job. I'm a web developer. There are weeks when I could work three days of 8 hours each and finish all of my projects. Then there are weeks when I could work five 10 hour days and STILL not keep up.

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  19. Re:Face Palm by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have discovered the reason yourself: Conditioning

    The population is conditioned to believe that they need to work to death and to hate and attack anyone who offer an alternative solution. And the conditioning is so strong that I just need to write a small number of "trigger words" here to immediately attract enraged comments and hate for no apparent reason.

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  20. Re:Face Palm by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah, next we should try a three-day week. Then imagine how much better a two-day week will be! When we get to zero, the work-life balance will be perfect!

    Well actually, around here people like police, firefighters, certain public works employees work something like 3 on/3 off, 4 on/4 off with 12 hour shifts. Yes, when you are working you are working and not much else, but in the end, when you include vacation, stat holidays, etc, you have significantly more days off in the year than you have work days.

    I'm sure it is not for everyone, but all the people I know who do this love it.

  21. Re:Face Palm by kilfarsnar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You have discovered the reason yourself: Conditioning The population is conditioned to believe that they need to work to death and to hate and attack anyone who offer an alternative solution. And the conditioning is so strong that I just need to write a small number of "trigger words" here to immediately attract enraged comments and hate for no apparent reason.

    Oh, yes, I'm well aware. The pro-capitalist propaganda has been quite effective, the the US at least. Work, work, work, you're lucky to even have a job, so shut up! People think wage-slavery is the only way it can be.

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