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A Fifth Undocumented Cisco Backdoor Has Been Discovered (bleepingcomputer.com)

Cisco released 25 security updates Wednesday, including a critical patch removing an undocumented password for "root" accounts of Cisco Policy Suite (sold to ISPs and large corporate clients). "The vulnerability received a rare severity score of 9.8 out of a maximum of 10 on the CVSSv3 scale," reports Bleeping Computer.

An anonymous reader quotes Tom's Hardware: Over the past few months, not one, not two, but five different backdoors joined the list of security flaws in Cisco routers.... In March, a hardcoded account with the username "cisco" was revealed. The backdoor would have allowed attackers to access over 8.5 million Cisco routers and switches remotely. That same month, another hardcoded password was found for Cisco's Prime Collaboration Provisioning software, which is used for remote installation of Cisco's video and voice products. Later this May, Cisco found another undocumented backdoor account in Cisco's Digital Network Architecture Center, used by enterprises for the provisioning of devices across a network. In June, yet another backdoor account was found in Cisco's Wide Area Application Services, a software tool for Wide Area Network traffic optimization...

Whether or not the backdoor accounts were created in error, Cisco will need to put an end to them before this lack of care for security starts to affect its business.

118 comments

  1. Phew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phew...at least itâ(TM)s only a 9.8, you know it could have been a 10

    1. Re: Phew... by sycodon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I released an app to production last week and damned if some stupid back door spontaneously showed up.

      I swear I didn't put it in.

      Maybe it's the compiler, eh,?

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  2. How is this possible by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    How is it possible that Cisco gets away with this? $200 billion market cap.

    1. Re:How is this possible by mhkohne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can only assume that Cisco has moved on from selling to the engineering teams to selling to the c-suite. That's the only explanation I can come up with for a company with multiple back-doors found in their products still being able to make sales.

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    2. Re:How is this possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can only assume that Cisco has moved on from selling to the engineering teams to selling to the c-suite. That's the only explanation I can come up with for a company with multiple back-doors found in their products still being able to make sales.

      The C-suite is much easier to scam than the engineering types.

    3. Re:How is this possible by Your+Average+Joe · · Score: 1

      They have low waged NSA workers writing code, they knowingly allow and the back door just slipped right in...

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    4. Re:How is this possible by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. Anyone still buying Cisco products won't stop just because of something like this.

    5. Re: How is this possible by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Easy. An accountant bean counter got a dinner from Infosys or Tata and promised and he nearly shit his pants at the cost savings.

      The Indian salesmen promised him a nice 6 fig bonus for being so smart ...

      Cisco doesn't hire Americans and always goes for cheap talent to drive the share price up

    6. Re: How is this possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the hookers and blow cisco sales people use to sell the products. I have gotten very cynical about how large sales are done after seeing a few at the startup I worked at. One important thing for startups is to hire sales people that know who to buy hookers for and who to buy blow for. It is important to know and believe me the sales people know. Some even know which hooker to get. Just like Uber hired the right lobbyists to get the laws written the way they wanted them. The bigger the money, the dirtier it gets.

    7. Re:How is this possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your question answers itself. Companies with a $200 billion market cap can afford to be held to a different standard.

      They have to be caught, red-handed, deliberately coding these backdoors and using them illegally (or providing them to non-government agencies to use them illegally), before any kind of justice will be leveled against them (c.f. Volkswagon).

      It is not enough for it to be proven that they do this deliberately....if they can claim that they have only ever used the passwords to aid in law enforcement (or other forms of government investigation), then they will still get a free pass. It is logically impossible to prove that the government does anything illegal, so that shit never flies no matter how many times it is tossed (c.f. Snowden).

      And, as it stands, they can still claim "code bugs" for the root passwords. The transparent obviousness notwithstanding, they are rich enough to buy, bribe, harass, buyout, threaten, etc., to make that claim be good enough.

    8. Re:How is this possible by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      No one ever got fired for buying cisco...for some reason, unfortunately.

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    9. Re: How is this possible by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      There is no such thing as "cheap talent."

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    10. Re: How is this possible by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      There is no such thing as "cheap talent."

      Not according to the guys with MBAs. Only managers have talent of course and each employee is a black box with fixed production output measurable by Excel and MS Project. Just ask any of them? If they don't add value then go cheap and cash in

    11. Re:How is this possible by haruchai · · Score: 2

      I can only assume that Cisco has moved on from selling to the engineering teams to selling to the c-suite.

      That strategy served Microsoft very well back in the day

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    12. Re: How is this possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cisco is the new IBM. So many people are moving to all Cisco, computers networks, servers, phones, whatever shiny thing they sell...

      I.. Myself.. Am not a fan. Never have been.

    13. Re:How is this possible by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Juniper seems popular with the non c-suite folks. It is faster and much easier and cheaper to manage. But they are not cisco so they are limited to MDF data centers mostly.

    14. Re:How is this possible by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Yep. That is how to do it. Another thing is C Suite folks love working with architects from consulting companies and ignoring their own staff for projects. So what Microsoft and Cisco do is have a gold level partnership. Want to keep it? Then hire CCIE and MCSE on your staff and sell a certain quota of their products etc.

      So when they reach out it is a Microsoft and Cisco solution by default to keep their gold level certification.

    15. Re: How is this possible by Agripa · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as "cheap talent."

      Not according to the guys with MBAs. Only managers have talent of course and each employee is a black box with fixed production output measurable by Excel and MS Project. Just ask any of them? If they don't add value then go cheap and cash in

      If you are not sales, then you are overhead.

    16. Re: How is this possible by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as "cheap talent."

      Not according to the guys with MBAs. Only managers have talent of course and each employee is a black box with fixed production output measurable by Excel and MS Project. Just ask any of them? If they don't add value then go cheap and cash in

      If you are not sales, then you are overhead.

      Let's not forget about these amazing thought leaders and CEOs? I mean Marissa at Yahoo put in an adjacent office as a daycare for her kid so she can sit back and day dream with meetings and have these amazing thoughts that turn into code and cash. She can't be bothered as thoughts and big offices create sales and deserve insane bonuses without having to produce anything.

      The only exception I have seen is in oil companies where they had insane layoffs. All the managers kept their job and shafted the oil workers. Now we have hundreds of managers with 1 to 2 employees each and still wondering why they can't make money will all these idea creators around?

    17. Re:How is this possible by Carewolf · · Score: 0

      I can only assume that Cisco has moved on from selling to the engineering teams to selling to the c-suite. That's the only explanation I can come up with for a company with multiple back-doors found in their products still being able to make sales.

      Cisco has always made buggy crap. The only reason they have been working at all is because they have been industry standard so all the little players had to work around Cisco's bugs.

    18. Re: How is this possible by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Let's not forget about these amazing thought leaders and CEOs? I mean Marissa at Yahoo put in an adjacent office as a daycare for her kid so she can sit back and day dream with meetings and have these amazing thoughts that turn into code and cash. She can't be bothered as thoughts and big offices create sales and deserve insane bonuses without having to produce anything.

      The only exception I have seen is in oil companies where they had insane layoffs. All the managers kept their job and shafted the oil workers. Now we have hundreds of managers with 1 to 2 employees each and still wondering why they can't make money will all these idea creators around?

      Company provided day care actually sounds like a good idea but I assume your point was that this was for the top CEO only. The less employees have to worry about family responsibilities, the more effective workers they should be.

    19. Re: How is this possible by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Marisa got rid of work at home if you remember then created the daycare just for her.

      Talk about a morale killer right there.

  3. Why buy? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Why would Cicso have to put an end to it? Nobody in their right mind would touch Cisco products anymore. Let 'em swing by their own backdoors.

    1. Re:Why buy? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      They had sales of $12.5 billion last quarter. Someone is buying a ton of the stuff.

    2. Re:Why buy? by weilawei · · Score: 2

      They will of course find a scapegoat--surely they use version control. Said scapegoat will be fired, and then it'll be on to the next set of backdoors.

    3. Re:Why buy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also an inability to police developers. Managers are functionally incompetent in many cases, without the up-to-date technical skills to evaluate the quality of their subordinates' code.

    4. Re:Why buy? by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No one falls on their sword these days, or even admits anything because: lawyers. And no one gets fired.

      After all, one is a mistake, three is a bit more than oopsy-doo, and five? Well, five is: "We never did give a shit. Are my stock options ready yet? This junior coder gig has to pay me at least something."

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    5. Re:Why buy? by gravewax · · Score: 1

      There are still plenty of people that treat Cisco like they used to treat IBM back in the 80's and 90's where they believe Cisco is the safe bet. Hell I constantly argue with one of the networking guys at one of the places I contract into as he believes everything is shit except for Cisco.

    6. Re:Why buy? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Ton of support.

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    7. Re:Why buy? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I would bet there is a Chinese brand/supplier who is more secure than Cisco.

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    8. Re:Why buy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it isn't even just their security that has fallen behind, the quality and reliability of their kit is also pretty mediocre nowadays too. They aren't terrible, but considering the price you have too have some serious blinkered bias to choose them nowadays.

    9. Re:Why buy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      managers SHOULD NOT be the ones reviewing code. You should have independent Peer reviews, peoples whose job it is to write and review code, this is NOT the role of a manager.

    10. Re: Why buy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chris do you know what sales means?

    11. Re: Why buy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name them Chris, or stfu. You just like talking out of your ass.

  4. "Whether or not the backdoor accounts were created by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...bwahahahahaha!!!! get y'all some more of them freedom fries...

  5. Only 9.8? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you get a 10? No password?

    1. Re:Only 9.8? by JcMorin · · Score: 1

      If the password is admin or root or 12345 or written in the installation PDF I guess?

    2. Re:Only 9.8? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the password is admin or root or 12345 or written in the installation PDF I guess?

      Those kinds of idiot-proof default passwords are included all the time in installation manuals...otherwise it might prove rather fucking frustrating for the consumer.

      Not including that information in a manual should be considered worse because it's a hidden and undisclosed feature that makes the end-user vulnerable.

  6. Send thos sum bitches ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... back across the border.

    BUILD THAT (fire)Wall!!!

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    1. Re: Send thos sum bitches ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the reason trump won. OmegaLUL.

  7. This is why you don't buy American comm tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's littered with back doors, and the manufacturer just pretends they have no idea how it got there, like they're fixing "bugs" and making it all better.

    Fact of the matter is that there will always be back doors in Cisco, Juniper, Dell, etc. equipment, because that's the way Big Gov wants it.

    If you purchase American comm equipment then you're letting their psychopath government into your systems.

  8. FTFY by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Cisco's Password Collaboration Provisioning software

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  9. Re: A death in the family by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Love you bb

  10. Make yourself useful, EditorDavid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And get the links to the advisories, not to your favourite crap copy/paste regurgitator.

    Adding more links to your previous crap postings on slashdot doesn't help much. GET THE ORIGINALS.

  11. F*** it by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    We’re going to FIVE backdoors.

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    1. Re:F*** it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up, I'm about to tell you how Trump colluded with Russia!

  12. Code review by jeffasselin · · Score: 2

    Most of these came from a massive code review Cisco has been doing through their entire software codebase, which across all their products is truly massive. They found a good number of flaws, and honestly these backdoor accounts mostly look like debugging features left in inadvertently.

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    1. Re:Code review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most of these came from a massive code review Cisco has been doing through their entire software codebase, which across all their products is truly massive. They found a good number of flaws, and honestly these backdoor accounts mostly look like debugging features left in inadvertently.

      No. Just fucking no.

      There is no reason. NO REASON to put a hard-coded default username/password into any software or hardware. None. Not even for "debugging" purposes. A retarded 12 year old who has never seen a computer could understand that this is a really stupid idea.

    2. Re:Code review by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      They found a good number of flaws, and honestly these backdoor accounts mostly look like debugging features left in inadvertently.

      Any competent intelligence agency would request that the backdoors look like debugging features left in inadvertently.

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    3. Re:Code review by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Someone just did that at where I worked. A cheap Indian intern and we caught her. Her response was I needed to get this done today and do not have time to setup an authentication system in hte code.

      She was eventually fired though but employers love cheap programmers more than good code.

  13. Cisco works for 3 letter agencies of US ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The routers are 1st vector attack, after, the computers.

    "God Bless America"
    was invented from false and unknown prophet.

    "America must bless Jesus, son of God and Mary"
    is invented by me.

    1. Re:Cisco works for 3 letter agencies of US ... by skids · · Score: 1

      Yeah well, because the computers are all shit that leaves all us folks who actually bother to secure our routers with no competitive edge over people who just slap together a vendor-provided template and call it a day... only in rare cases do the hackers actually have to resort to attacking the network infrastructure.

      (Anyway this is why I don't allow the "management" systems any write access or access to the password MIBs. I'll set up my own backups and deployment scripts, thank you, and I don't want your significantly-worse-code-quality-then-the-routers bloatware making any changes... visibility is all it's good for. I don't mind entering passwords a few extra tmes a day if it helps me sleep at night.)

  14. In order of likelihood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1) Cisco inherited the backdoors as they've bought product lines instead of creating them. Cisco is now in the merger business, not the engineering business
    2) malicious actors inside or outside the company are exploiting a weak security environment
    3) The competent cisco engineers left and now they really are just incompetent.

    My guess is a combination of 1) and 3), but I sure wouldn't discount this as a deliberate campaign by a malicious state actor to gain control of the internet.

    1. Re:In order of likelihood by darkain · · Score: 2

      When the user name is literally "cisco", who did they inherit that from?

    2. Re:In order of likelihood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      0.5 NSA
      1.5 debug backdoors used during development were never removed

    3. Re:In order of likelihood by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

      Theory 1 seems unlikely. Unless there's a good reason that inherited product lines had default user names of "cisco" either before or after acquisition that just beggars belief. I'm going with both 2 or 3 as more likely than option 1.

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    4. Re:In order of likelihood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Cisco inherited the backdoors as they've bought product lines instead of creating them. Cisco is now in the merger business, not the engineering business

      It seems very unlikely that a company, that was unrelated to Cisco prior to acquisition, was using "cisco" as a hard-coded default username on their equipment.

      Backboors don't just magically appear on their own. They have to be deliberately put there. This is just pure laziness, stupidity and incompetence.

    5. Re: In order of likelihood by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Has anyone yet pointed out that they probably didn't inherit a back door with the username "Cisco"?

    6. Re:In order of likelihood by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      All of this is on cisco so no point in bringing any of it up.

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    7. Re: In order of likelihood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      find /src iname '\*.c' -type f -exec sed -e 's/LOLSoft/Cisco/g' -i {} \;

      1) Cisco inherited the backdoors as they've bought product lines instead of creating them. Cisco is now in the merger business, not the engineering business

      C L O U D C E N T E R

      I don't want to whistleblow, but you may want to go take a good look at how it really works under the hood.

    8. Re: In order of likelihood by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      All 5?

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    9. Re: In order of likelihood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Get a job at Cisco

      2. Be terrible at your job

      3. ???

      4. Profit

    10. Re: In order of likelihood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sed/s/oldcomoanyname/Cisco

    11. Re: In order of likelihood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original name might be the name of a mergered company. Search and replace then changed the name to Cisco, marketing cannot have obsolete/competing brand names around. It is their understanding of sw bugs.

    12. Re: In order of likelihood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you are saying they knew it had a hard coded account, chose not to delete that account for security reasons, but instead decided to double down on stupid and do a search and replace tonfeplace the old hardcoded credentials to the new "Cisco" ones?

  15. incompetence, or intent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At some point you have to start wondering if CISCO is just incompetent to have all the flaws, or if they are left in there on purpose so that people (governments) can access all this infrastructure whenever they want.

  16. Will the "NSA" be pissed? by charliemerritt03 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if any of these back doors were created at the Request of a TLA.
    I wonder if a 'too good' security patch will blind them.
    I just wonder about ALL those back doors.
    They can't be that sloppy, can they?

    1. Re:Will the "NSA" be pissed? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      A front door for Five Eyes. New Zealand and Canada are inside too.

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    2. Re:Will the "NSA" be pissed? by mbkennel · · Score: 1

      If it had been created by NSA itself it would have been much more subtle and deniable. This looks oafishly stupid or corrupt.

    3. Re:Will the "NSA" be pissed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be called Six Eyes:

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

    4. Re: Will the "NSA" be pissed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea the nsa backdoor would be "NotAnNSABackdoor"

  17. Re:Trump's backdoor was discovered by Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If two people have consensual sex in private, then it's their business and no one else's.

  18. may as well just have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    user : NSA Password : password

  19. Not the 5th back door ... nooooo..... by Proudrooster · · Score: 4, Funny

    As a person that works a provisioning, VPN, and remote setup, this really complicates my life. This was the last backdoor I had to all the CISCO gear. If anyone knows of another backdoor, could you please message me. What a pain, not customers are going to have to give me their password.

  20. Freaking title.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Undocumented my rear end... Now that it's known it's now DOCUMENTED!!!!

  21. place your bets by indy_Muad'Dib · · Score: 1

    $100 on these back-doors were govt mandated access

  22. Undocumented!? by azcoyote · · Score: 1

    A Fifth Undocumented Cisco Backdoor...

    Cisco has been allowing undocumented immigrants into the country?! Oh my!

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  23. In other news by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Cisco's stock isn't in the toilet for reasons which aren't immediately apparent.

  24. Is there any legitimate reason for this to happen? by schweini · · Score: 2

    How the hell can a company that acts all serious have flaws like this?
    I'm no conspiracy theorist, but IMHO the only way obvious things like these didn't get caught in code review or QA is that these backdoors are there on purpose.
    Or can anyone come up with a legitimate excuse for this?

  25. Please Amazon, make & sell switches!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got more trust in Amazon than Cisco...

  26. Lie until you are caught. by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    Then claim the janitor did the code.

  27. Backdoors ALWAYS EXIST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, I'm not sure if some folks are serious here, or joking, but backdoors in software and firmware ALWAYS exist, and are quite necessary for troubleshooting; when you have gear deployed all over the world, and have to maintain/troubleshoot/update that gear you will in fact use backdoors for access. It's not practical or reasonable to be trying to obtain end user passwords, and god forbid local passwords run amock, you're damn glad you have backdoors available. However, the idea that a backdoor could ever be accidentally sleuthed is also silly; any backdoor I ever implemented was a multi-step sequence; far more than just a single username and password. I typically did a three-level sequence, including time delays and in some cases real-time clock coordination to validate and open a back-door entry. I'll stop there, but I was involved in both DOD and DOE software and firmware development and NEVER EVER NEVER put equipment in the field without a backdoor entry available. What I don't understand is why some flunkie source code reviewers decided to void these; although it also sounds like some of these backdoors were far too simplistic. For most hardware, we implemented backdoors that not only involved keyed entries, but also included hardware inputs, thus requiring someone with proper credentials to be co-located with the hardware.

    1. Re: Backdoors ALWAYS EXIST! by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      They decided to void them because you are wrong. And a menace.

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    2. Re:Backdoors ALWAYS EXIST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      OK, I'm not sure if some folks are serious here, or joking, but backdoors in software and firmware ALWAYS exist, and are quite necessary for troubleshooting; when you have gear deployed all over the world, and have to maintain/troubleshoot/update that gear...

      And your realm of responsibility might in fact be exactly that.

      Now understand that Cisco does not have that responsibility, it delegates that to the end-user. People go through years of training in order to obtain the highest Cisco certifications. Bottom line is those who know what they're doing are not going to lock themselves out, and will put in their own backdoor accounts that are properly secured. And any Cisco router can be "cracked" with local physical access, which is the ultimate backdoor.

      The problem here is when backdoors are NOT disclosed to the end-user and that "undisclosed" information gets leaked. It could be abused for years before it is disclosed to the general public.

    3. Re:Backdoors ALWAYS EXIST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they fucking don't.
      At least not on any of the embedded devices I or my company has ever worked on.
      We have devices with banks all over the world, and we would be instantly out of business if ever any debug backdoor that they didn't know about was discovered. It's also explicitly against PCI guidelines as far as I remember.

  28. We need software freedom. Always. by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    So this is the code review that apparently led to releasing so many backdoors up to this point.

    The only code review that means anything is the one that comes from the computer's owner or someone the computer owner trusts, not a proprietor's claim to users or media. The only way to implement what computer owners need is to use free software for all of their computer's software without exceptions.

    1. Re: We need software freedom. Always. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because open source software never has any security flaws, due to the ability for anyone and everyone to review the code.

      Nope *cough* heartbleed *cough*

    2. Re: We need software freedom. Always. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can anyone view Cisco's code?

      Can anyone view open source code?

      Yea thought so, stfu with your logical fallacy bullshit.

  29. Undocumented password for Cisco root accounts by najajomo · · Score: 1

    How about we all stop kidding ourselves, the 'undocumented password' were put in therre at the behest of the NSA.

    1. Re:Undocumented password for Cisco root accounts by Btrot69 · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course, why do so many "nerds" here not get it ?
      One of Snowden's most important revelations is that the NSA has an excellent "map" of virtually every device that connects to the internet.
      How could they do that if they could not get the tables from all of these routers ?

  30. Would you marry someone with 5 backdoors??!!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why buy one????

    - your friendly neighborhood terrorist

  31. Re: Trump's backdoor was discovered by Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its just pathetic to see what the userbase of /. has turned into over the years. Fuck trump, putin, politics on /., and you.

  32. Cognitive dissonance... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 2

    I've never been a fan of Cisco, Microsoft, or "corporate tech giants".

    Most of the systems engineering people in my generation (the old guys) can build routers. Give them a PC or a chassis, Linux or BSD, and in an hour it will be a router with security features that can be used to keep data safe.

    But corporate America seems to like appliances. I can understand it for multiport bridges (that's a switch for you young people). But for routing and security an appliance seems a bad idea because of planned obsolescence and closed nature of the architectures..

    Plus... when you buy a security or routing appliance... you only know what the manufacturer tells you about it- and "certified" people only know how to configure it while sometimes having an alarming lack of understanding TCP/IP.

    In my view trading knowledge for cost savings is a big issue. Sure there's a balance sheet advantage to buying appliances and perhaps using certified contractors to run them. But the cost comes up when a failure comes up requiring real know-how.

    Heck- I know of one company that is on their third revision of warehouse WIFI because none of the people they brought in understand microwave radio in an environment with a great deal of RF reflective metal. They know to use LMR600 cabling because Cisco specs it. But they do not know why. And they do not analyze how the tech will actually be used. So every revision of the network design performs badly.

    That's just one example. But it's rife in the industry. So much so that I moved into industrial programming because so few people are doing it and there's a high demand in my area. And they still care about "knowledge"... especially when it comes to programming old industrial systems with new safety controls.

    So when I hear about back doors in commercial products, I ask the same question: does trading knowledge for appliances actually make a business work better?

    Shouldn't the people running the network actually know how it works and what's on the network?

    The MBAs say no.

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    Another consultant who stuck it out.

    "We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
    1. Re:Cognitive dissonance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the large corporation where I work, "IT security" consists of buying these network appliances and paying consultants to configure them. Developers can't even access Github because open source software is considered to be suspicious and subversive.

      As you say, it's shocking how little these companies understand any of the technology they depend on.

  33. Unlikely to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whether or not the backdoor accounts were created in error, Cisco will need to put an end to them before this lack of care for security starts to affect its business.

    Since Cisco developed its first multiprotocol router it has had no fewer than 350 US-CERT vulnerablilities recorded against it for hard coded credentials. It hasn't learned anything in all this time and, sadly, it doesn't seem to have any real effect on its business.

  34. THat 9.8 is a bit odd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a root backdoor to such equipment merits a 9.8, what does a 10.0 entails? An ominous countdown and a BOOM?

  35. Next 4 backdoors are revealed in "the one video" by ffkom · · Score: 1

    ... that the parents of the Southpark children wanted to get back so eagerly in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... (it is called "Backdoor Sluts 9").

    Just buy Huawai or ZTE, there, only the one backdoor from the chinese government is built-in.

  36. not FRONT DOOR like Chinese Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The chinese shit has open FRONT DOORs. This American kit has a back door so much, much, much safer and perfectly fine if you know what you are doing and don't let chinese shit in your network. Buy AMERICAN to be safe. To remain safe. To alwaya be SAFE.

    1. Re:not FRONT DOOR like Chinese Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are just trolling and dont actually beleive what you posted do you?

      A back dor is "much much much safer"? isnt it the same thing? unauthoized access?

      to remain safe (with backdoors, which by nature isnt safe) to always be safe (until they find yet another back door?)/

      "buy american, fuck yeah?".

  37. Eagle of Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know with German products that sort of thing would never happen...
    Because people that are busy expressing themselves and their potential find no need to control or spy on others.
    But the USA won the war so...

  38. clearly a tale of globalization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever since Cisco cut corners, make more money for their suit's(over lords), and just fuck everyone they could this crap has been popping up.

    In inclusion of Indian Eyes and teeth, and Asian Ming Bai, is a clear indicator of this tom foolery at our expense the client, customer, consumer.
    Grab the money and get out as quickly as possible. Hopefully the individuals covering this up or purporting this behavior are long gone, money in hand, laughing at the Bullshit that Cisco allowed them to do for the $

    1. Re:clearly a tale of globalization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey wait a minute,
      it cant be all them, lets be real for a sec.
      Put the blame on where it should go..
      80% engineers
      20% management/code review.

      Its the engineers at first for attempting to push this crap past code review. then its the others in the ORG whom review and tweak for syntax/security/etc whom are obviously not doing their job.
      to that end, Cisco is TOO BIG to just have one person/entity/ethnic group/group or computer at fault.
      its too close to the money to have one set of eyes on, and one mouth deciding.

      with all this said, @ the end of the day, every one wants to get theirs, get paid, and get out before getting caught..

  39. Re: Trump's backdoor was discovered by Russia by DrStoooopid · · Score: 0

    It's morons like you that perpetuate a lie. Did you forget ALL the collusion with the Clintons? Or the fact that she gave them 1/5th of our Uranium? Or that Bubba was doing speaking engagements for half a million dollars. Or let's not even look at "Nobody's President"...let's look at Obama, that spear-chuckin' Kenyan said, ON CAMERA that he was going to be doing more maneuvering for Russia in his second term. Until you can admit to the wrongs of that, yet provide ZERO evidence for Trump's wrong doings, just zip it. You are intellectually disingenuous.

    --
    There are 2 groups of people you can make fun of on the Internet without fear of attack. The illiterate, and the Amish.
  40. Re: Trump's backdoor was discovered by Russia by DrStoooopid · · Score: 0

    and I agree with you. This /. has turned into a bunch of little ANTIFA wanna be's. Fuck Trump is easier to say than, "I'm really really really disappointed that Hillary won, because I'm a hardcore liberal and I have no defensible argument, so I'll spend the next 8 years throwing a fit"

    --
    There are 2 groups of people you can make fun of on the Internet without fear of attack. The illiterate, and the Amish.
  41. Re: Trump's backdoor was discovered by Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pot, meet kettle.

  42. Re: A death in the family by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You let him have an epilepsy attack for 4 hours and didn't call for help. LOL.

    A good lawyer could get you for manslaughter.

  43. Re: Turn away from false prophets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is true information. Facts.

  44. Glad I never got my CCNA/CCNE by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

    I went to a tech college and after graduating my next steps were to get my A+, MCSE and CCNA. That's when I started getting into Linux and open source software in general. I swayed from getting my certs (I'm an independent tech consultant now) and I'm really glad I did. I know there aren't many FOSS alternatives to Cisco/Juniper equipment but if I spent all that time learning the ins and outs of Cisco proprietary equipment, I would have felt it was a big waste of time knowing that, after all my trying to secure things, there's a fucking backdoor (x5) in their stuff. Makes me sick.

    --
    It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
    1. Re:Glad I never got my CCNA/CCNE by beheaderaswp · · Score: 1

      An RHCE is worth more than those certs combined :)

      --
      Another consultant who stuck it out.

      "We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
  45. no business impact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Cisco will need to put an end to them before this lack of care for security starts to affect its business."

    doesn't matter, it will not impact their business one bit. enterprises just don't care about this, cisco is not even the worst offender.
    they're not going to sell one less router because of this. companies like ex. oracle screw you in the ass so many times, over and over again. they're still as strong as ever.

  46. NSA compliant ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NSA compliant?

  47. Cisco are morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm studying for the CCNA and the IOS is designed by morons. Can't show anything while in config mode. Good on them for tab completion but no tab to show possible commands. It would be easy to overtake Cisco as the number one networking company because Cisco just does not care.