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Australia Called Out as Willing To Undermine Human Rights For Digital Agenda (zdnet.com)

A report from AccessNow has asked Australia to change its course and lead the way in serving as a champion for human rights instead of against. From a report: Global human rights, public policy, and advocacy group AccessNow has called out Australia for its lack of focus on human rights as it adapts to the challenges of the digital era, with a report from the non-profit saying the country should instead be leading the way in serving as a champion for human rights. "Australia should be a global leader in serving as a champion for human rights, such as the right to privacy and rights to freedoms of expression and association," AccessNow said. "Unfortunately, Australia has taken actions that indicate the nation is willing to undermine human rights as it adapts to the challenges of the digital era."

In Human Rights in the Digital Era: An International Perspective on Australia [PDF], AccessNow says that as the digital world continues to develop, and technology increasingly becomes an "intimate part" of daily lives, Australians are facing a choice. "The country can either continue to be a testing ground for policies that undermine privacy and security in the digital era, or it can be a champion for human rights in the digital age, leveraging its relationships in the world to raise the standards for the next generation," the report says.

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  1. Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly what rights are being violated,

    1. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Australia has a horrific human rights record, after the slaughter of the aboriginal peoples and confining them to a small area makes the way the USA treated the Native Americans look downright hospitable by comparison.

    2. Re:Summary doesn't say by PingSpike · · Score: 2

      Human ones. Did you not read the summary?

    3. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what happens when you abandon all your convicts there.

    4. Re:Summary doesn't say by XXongo · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Yes, this bothered me too. What human rights are they talking about, exactly? The right to a trial by jury? Here is the UN declaration on human rights, which ones is Australia proposing to violate? http://www.un.org/en/universal...

      The actual article tells me that the rights under discussion are things like the right to not have the government use biometric data (e.g., "face recognition"). I'm not sure that this is widely recognized as one of the fundamental human rights.

    5. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 Troll, offtopic.

    6. Re:Summary doesn't say by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Australia has a horrific human rights record, after the slaughter of the aboriginal peoples and confining them to a small area makes the way the USA treated the Native Americans look downright hospitable by comparison.

      And since then?

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    7. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Aussie government has still not dealt with the fact that tens of thousands of Aboriginal children were outright kidnapped from their families for a variety of purposes. It took a band, namely Midnight Oil, to hammer this stuff into the consciousness of the Aussie public, and most still ignored the blatant atrocities.

    8. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Context like this, "Human Rights" is most often some group expressing a current grievance of some kind that is seldom related to an actual, "Human Right".

      Kind of like the whole "Climate Change mitigation fund"

    9. Re: Summary doesn't say by Synonymous+Homonym · · Score: 1

      The guests being hospitable to their hosts.

      Something is very wrong here.

      But it is true that Canberra acts as if the aboriginal population did not exist.

      They also don't care much about what ther voters think of their policies.

    10. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you expect when Australia was a penal colony. Hardened criminals unleashed on continent. Duh!

    11. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the leading cause of death of the aboriginal peoples was smallpox and not murder.

    12. Re: Summary doesn't say by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Aussie government has still not dealt with the fact that tens of thousands of Aboriginal children were outright kidnapped from their families for a variety of purposes.

      What exactly does "dealt with" mean?

      It took a band, namely Midnight Oil, to hammer this stuff into the consciousness of the Aussie public, and most still ignored the blatant atrocities.

      Hooray for consciousness! Problem solved, right?

    13. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you want to restrict it to fundamental human rights, maybe the UN Declaration of Human Rights isn't the best source to cite. Most people think of human rights as stuff like freedom from imprisonment for your opinions, or the right to not be murdered.
      The UNDHR includes stuff like the right to paid time off from work.

    14. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "makes the way the USA treated the Native Americans look downright hospitable by comparison."

      Ha! Pull the other one, it has bells on.

    15. Re:Summary doesn't say by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Okay, I read TFA for you guys, you can thank me later.

      They are worried about privacy and freedom of speech/association. In particular the government is trying to bring in some anti-encryption laws that would mandate backdoors and step up domestic surveillance.

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    16. Re: Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So human rights could be rolled back to a 1989 level where every person did not carry a powerful encryption device.

    17. Re: Summary doesn't say by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      So human rights could be rolled back to a 1989 level where every person did not carry a powerful encryption device.

      It started when they took everyones guns away...and now, the govt will start to progress a bit further to take more freedoms/rights away from the populace.

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    18. Re: Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rights that did not exist due to practical reality in 1989.

    19. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks.
      Though we disagree on much, I appreciate your effort on this.

    20. Re: Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Like a 12 step program, the first step is to admit you have a problem. There is still much to do but getting recognition that past treatment was wrong is a step in the right direction.

    21. Re: Summary doesn't say by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I've never heard of a 12 step program that involves admitting that someone 50+ years ago had a problem, but OK, we got your step one covered. What's step 2?

      Let me guess: "gimme money"?

    22. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ZDNet article gives some insights about that, but it's mostly about the process and general speculation instead of specifics. Speaking of which, the "However, government is also responsible for recognising and taking action to protect human rights, just as it was before the rise of modern technologies." is exactly the thing a rule of law following government does when the surveillance or privacy related legislation goes through the process of .. legislating.
        The key question is if the Australian policies are proportional to the threats they are facing and to the resulting compromise of the civil and basic rights.

    23. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the traditional US view in which emphases political rights over social rights. Eastern Block was all about emphasizing social rights over political rights. Europe is in the middle. If the news reports are to be believed, Australia has issues on human rights related areas other than telecommunications, identity, authentication and surveillance as well. To put it bluntly, AccessNow seems to accuse the Australian legislators for not doing their jobs, or being stupid and illiterate.

    24. Re: Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair Australia spends many times per capita on aboriginals than it does on any other segment of the population. The problem is money doesn't fix those problems, they require social changes that the aboriginal communities reject outright, you can't just inject money into communities in the outback where their are no jobs or activities and suddenly expect things to turn around.

    25. Re: Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Manus Island. Tampa Incident. Nauru. SIEV-X. Stolen Generations. New Norscia. Child imprisonment in the Northern Territory. Two strikes laws, also in NT. Thursday Island. Pacific Solution. Peter Dutton. Deporting of Australian children with tenuous NZ connections under terrorism laws. Timor Gap bullying. Failure on every social indicator for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders.

      That should help bring you up to date.

      There's more, but this is a start.

    26. Re: Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a terrible thing when righteous indignation cripples one to the point where someone cannot use google.

      I think the poster was trying to put things in terms you would understand. It's one of the tenets of communications theory.

      Take a look at [keywords] Rudd Aboroginal apology.

      Then at the pathways documents from that.

      Then at the subsequent policy failures.

    27. Re: Summary doesn't say by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      So human rights could be rolled back to a 1989 level where every person did not carry a powerful encryption device.

      It started when they took everyones guns away...and now, the govt will start to progress a bit further to take more freedoms/rights away from the populace.

      You are bang on right. After the Port Arthur massacre a wave of legislative changes began, starting with the aggregation of the parliamentary voting system in the lower house to corral voting preferences to the major parties. It's been all down hill since then.

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    28. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, more recently their treatment of foreign residents, legal or not, is completely shameful. The way a dual citizen can't be an MP, for instance - what's that about? The withdrawal of health care from permanent residents. The treatment of refugees. The - exile is the only word that really seems to fit, for minor criminal offences, of people who've been legally resident in Australia for 20 years or more.

      (To clarify: imagine someone who came to Australia from New Zealand in 1993, aged 3, who is now convicted of, let's say shoplifting. That person is now sent back to New Zealand, despite never having lived there as any kind of autonomous person.)

      None of these look to me like the actions of a country that gives a flying fuck about "human rights".

    29. Re: Summary doesn't say by xQx · · Score: 1

      No it didn't.

      It started when pine gap was opened in Australia, well before they "took our guns away".

      (Sidenote: you can still get guns in Australia. It's actually not that hard to get a license if you want one)

      Australia's value to our allies isn't just our elite special forces troops (I understand our SAS have a particularly good reputation for their work, but I'm sure the same could be said of a few other countries). It is our unique position in spying on the southern hemisphere. See, Australia started out as a listening post covering Asia, but over the past few decades we've actually got very good at it; and now in a global world while everybody is passing laws that say "you cannot spy on your own citizens", Australia's a great ally to have, since we'll gladly spy on (for example) UK citizens and hand everything we find over to the UK spy agencies... same with the US.

      Most Australians who want to educate themselves are well aware of the activities of our clandestine SIGINT forces, but the thing is as a population we JUST DON'T CARE.

      If you care to read what Snowden made public, you'll see Australia's involvement in international surveillance is more than just peripheral.

      Also, if you do read what Snowden made public, you may very well come to the conclusion that most Australians have: These changing laws are just legalizing what's happening in secret anyway. It doesn't matter if it's legal or illegal, it's going to be done in secret; so you may aswell make it legal.

      Australians made the choice long ago to be friendly to a surveillance state, there's no going back on that now.

      The only thing we can do is take small steps to protect ourselves, like actively resisting the centralization of records (Aussies, unless you want your medical history PUBLIC, please opt out of MyHealthRecord); and adopting technologies which make the life of our spy agencies that little bit harder (like encrypting your stuff, using monero, deleting facebook).

      But if you think we could put up a meaningful resistance now, you're delusional.

      Not only that, if you see the way we get behind our sporting teams, you might come to realize why we don't resist this.... Aussies rather like to be the best in the world at something. ... even if it is clandestine.

      You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it.

    30. Re:Summary doesn't say by xQx · · Score: 2

      And some people are still trying to tell me that something that my grandfather might've done to their grandfather is something that I should apologize for.

      That's a really good way of perpetuating inter-generational segregation.

      Maybe we should be focusing more on what policies we could introduce today that give children the education and support they need to break the cycle of following blindly in the footsteps of their parents (toward drug addiction, prostitution and domicile in a region with zero employment prospects) and less on handing out cash which supports the cycle and apologies which shift the blame of it toward previous generations' failings.

    31. Re: Summary doesn't say by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      It is a terrible thing when righteous indignation cripples one to the point where someone cannot use google.

      It's a terrible thing when incompetence cripples one to the point that they think "hurr durr use google" is a phrase which can be used to degend any idiocy they personally believe.

      "Of course the earth is flat! Use google!"

      Thanks tips.

    32. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aboriginals have a worse record. You think Abo tribes were all peace loving hippies you are dead wrong.

    33. Re: Summary doesn't say by gawdonblue · · Score: 1

      You had me at Dutton.

    34. Re:Summary doesn't say by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      The way a dual citizen can't be an MP, for instance - what's that about?

      To be fair, that came as a surprise to everyone. Really, though, that's a major inconvenience if you're an MP, but it's an odd one to open with, considering everything else you mentioned, plus all the stuff you didn't.

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    35. Re:Summary doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

    36. Re:Summary doesn't say by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      To put it bluntly, AccessNow seems to accuse the Australian legislators for not doing their jobs, or being stupid and illiterate.

      On behalf of Australia: Yeah, we knew that much already.

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  2. When Gen. Pop. Are Convicts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya do whats you gotz to do!

  3. Australia needs to clap back by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    >> Australia Called Out as (thing) by (random aggrieved group)

    Clearly, Australia needs to clap back before the Internet gets broken.

    1. Re:Australia needs to clap back by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Clearly, Australia needs to clap back before the Internet gets broken.

      If you've ever used the internet in Australia you'll realise that ship has sailed.

    2. Re:Australia needs to clap back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Australia are entering the stage of significance America is in. Welcome to the boogeyman club.

  4. Wow by Kohath · · Score: 4, Funny

    That’s a content free post. Better headline "Advocacy group offers vague complaints"

    1. Re:Wow by the_skywise · · Score: 1

      We advocate for stuff that doesn't suck!

    2. Re:Wow by Kohath · · Score: 2

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    3. Re:Wow by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      We're dedicated to bringing sunshine and mild temperatures to humanity! Donate to my foundation. Don't let the corporate overlords take away the sun!

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    4. Re:Wow by the_skywise · · Score: 1

      You're right! I don't wanna lose the sun!

      shuddup and take my money!

    5. Re:Wow by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Some benighted people still aren't donating. Those ignorant deniers don't believe in the sun!

    6. Re: Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't believe in the concept of sun neutrality.The savages!

    7. Re:Wow by sconeu · · Score: 1

      But the sun gives off (gasp) RADIATION!!!! And ANY amount of radiation is dangerous!!!

      Help Stamp Out The Sun now!!!!

      [this message brought to you by SOTS... parodying anti-nuke sentiment since 1981]

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    8. Re:Wow by dohzer · · Score: 1

      Australia may be willing to violate human rights. Maybe. Someday. In the future. It's possible.

  5. Outcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1. Government recognises people have a right to protect their comms and sees this as a good thing.
    2. People will all be criminals by dint of using strong encryption anyway

    * People will continue to use strong encryption regardless of what the law states. Strong laws against crypto will simply drive comms underground, making it more difficult for everyone to communicate and for righteous law enforcement efforts to be successful. We are headed for doomsday as regards the Internet/WWW. More and more people want to control it for money, power, fame, etc. While the lure of "free" services has been a major coup for companies like Google, Facebook, the damage that *will* come is yet to be seen. Everyone with a modicum of technical sense knows there is an information sharing superhighway between governments and these companies. I've long suspected that the "sham" of pretending to fight governments over "private" data is just for show. What with secret courts and warrants, would we even know for sure, even with warrant canaries? If your truly private data is in the "cloud" on a machine that *you* do not control, it can no longer be said to be private, even if encrypted. Somehow, someone, in some way, will be able to own your data given enough time and effort, especially if you become the target of a state actor.

    1. Re: Outcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If strong encryption is banned it makes it difficult to operate a business that offers services, devices, or software. Most people get their cloud storage from a few large companies that are all currently cooperating with world governments.

      Google will hand keys over to any local police department that sends a polite letter. 99% of people are wide open to the government.

    2. Re: Outcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It certainly makes it more difficult to market Cloud Storage. Who coulda fugured??

  6. Freedom of Expression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as that expression doesn't violate their definition of freedom and the current line of thinking of the intelligentsia.

    1. Re:Freedom of Expression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is true, but sadly, if one government say one thing and then codify that into law, and later, another government come in to power and/or an incident happens and they change that law, back to square one, but always worse off than before. Ceding power, even a little, is always a bad idea for the people when it comes to basic human rights. Compromise is failure in installments. Full stop.

  7. Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    I know that some people on slashdot might be able to have some interesting ideas on this.
    So I was thinking about it and thought I would pose the question.

    Is there a difference between the right to freedom of speech ( which is to say the right to say what you want without punishment or restriction).
    and
    The right to use public broadcast equipment like the internet to exercise that right.

    Specifically I'm thinking about the internet as a tool that amplifies the effects of ones actions. As another example of what I'm pondering , few people argue against the right to self defense, although most people would put limits on the power and strength of that defense. As and example most people would think it wrong to defend yourself against a knife attack by spraying a machine gun into a crowded room.

    So, given the amplifying power of the internet over speech, making every careless statement a broadcast to hundreds or millions with all kinds of possible unintended consequences. What if any reasonable limits are there to speech on the internet or are they identical to the normal limits put on speech , like 'not inciting to riot'.

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    1. Re: Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by Synonymous+Homonym · · Score: 1

      Any restrictions to speech are no different on the net than in a public square. Slander and defamation are the same in cyberspace and meatspace.

      You say the internet is an amplifier of speech. You seem to forget that anyone on the internet has the same possibilities as long as they have access. This in contrast to broadcast media and the printing press. But this equality is constantly threatened.

      And it doesn't apply to those who don't have access. Essentially they don't have a voice. And as such any freedom of speech is meaningless and practically nonexistent.

      The PLO hijacked airplanes to make themselves heard. Had the internet had the spread back then as it does now they wouldn't have needed to. But more than two thirds of the world's population are still not online.

    2. Re:Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are two kinds of rights: positive and negative.

      A negative right is a right that can only be denied or taken away from you. This includes such things as free speech and religion.

      A positive right is something that must be given to you to exist. For example, in order to have a right to medical care, it must be given to a person. Of course, this may mean that something (specifically, a negative and/or other positive right) has to be forcibly taken from someone else in order to ensure the fulfillment of a positive right.

    3. Re:Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Is there a difference between the right to freedom of speech ( which is to say the right to say what you want without punishment or restriction). and

      The right to use public broadcast equipment like the internet to exercise that right.

      Depends on the country in question.

      In the US, they way it is supposed to work is...that the government does NOT grant you rights, you are born with them.

      The US constitution is there not to grant you rights, but to enumerate the limited powers and responsibilities for the federal govt. It is stated aside from these, that most of the law and rules comes from the states and local governments.

      And basically, most any new thing man figures how to do, is by your BORN (or God given, if you believe that way) right inherently, unless it is regulated or banned by law.

      So, the internet, it was a new thing and you inherently have the right to use it as you please for any speech or expression that isn't illegal (kiddie pr0n for example).....this comes as a benefit of being born a human, it is not granted to you by the government.

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    4. Re: Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

      Or the plo could have used the Internet to organize a larger more clandestine
      attack

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    5. Re: Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 2

      Interesting, but not really what I was asking? Does the use of the Internet come with a greater responsibility then normal speech because of the way it amplifieshould your speach and audience.

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    6. Re: Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

      Sure, but even inborn rights have limitsome and a certain order as I pointed out. For instance your right to self defense can be limited by the potential for collateral damage in the means you choose to defend yourself. So my question was, does the Internet have the same limits as everyday speech or should there be stronger limits and greater responsibility for its use because of the extra power it imparts to you communication ?

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    7. Re:Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > with all kinds of possible unintended consequences

      Like what?

      You didn't suggest it, but the majority of people who want to ban speech seem to be chiefly concerned with hurt feelings. And that's just not a good enough reason, considering the risks involved. Consider - where would we be if Reagan's moral majority had banned things that they found "offensive"? Or some other group from a generation before them?

    8. Re: Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by Synonymous+Homonym · · Score: 1

      A clandestine attack has to be the most stupid way of drawing attention to your situation that I ever heard of.

    9. Re: Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ideally, in a free society, you have the right to exercise inherent freedoms (things like thought, speech, and whatever else you are capable of doing with your body) as long as you don't prevent someone else from exercising those same freedoms. Someone who attempts to take another's inherent freedoms shall forfeit theirs. Of course, it is not a simple matter to enforce this as we see in modern day society.

      Collateral damage means you injured a bystander and by causing damage to them, you may have taken a freedom from them. For instance, an extreme example, caused paralysis or death.

      In terms of speech, I think anything should be okay as long as you are not inciting people to take another's inherent freedoms. Yes, this means you can be a scumbag racist.

      OK: "Chink, go back to China!"
      Not OK: "Let's send them chinks back to China!"

      The government's role should be first and foremost the protection of these inherent freedoms for their citizens. Not the restriction of them.

    10. Re: Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by another_twilight · · Score: 1

      No.

      A limit to a right should only exist where the exercise of that right infringes upon someone else's right. The 'right to swing my fist ends with your nose' kind of thing.

      If I have rights to freedom of speech or expression, they may be limited by location. I can be asked to leave private property if what I am saying is unwelcome. My use of a megaphone may well amplify my ability to be heard, but is immaterial for determining whether I should be limited in my right or not.

      Your use of a gun to defend yourself may be considered to be disproportionate in some jurisdictions because it violates the rights of your opponent (or potentially, bystanders). The gun, itself, while magnifying the effect of your force is not what is causing the limitation, it's the use of excessive force.

      In as much as your speech on the internet may be magnified in effect, the right to speak should not be limited for the _potential_ for impact, but by actual impact. If it is illegal to incite a riot, then whether you do it in a crowded theater or via social media should be moot, the crime is the incitement to riot, not the means you used.

      In as much as the only reason to limit a right is where the exercise of that right would impinge on the rights of another, then there is an inherent responsibility in the exercise of any right.

      Is something 'wrong' if you don't get caught? If it's 'wrong' to hit someone, it doesn't matter how hard I swing.

    11. Re: Right to freedom of speech vs communication. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

      Thanks some good bits of thought in there.

      In your example of the use of a megaphone your freedom of speech is limited by someone else right to have quite and not hear you.

      So does the fact that your drunk ramblings on reddit might inspire some crazy person to commit murder 5 years later, put it in a different category then your drunk rambling in your family home.

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  8. Australia is a zoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You get no human rights when you're treated like animals.

    1. Re:Australia is a zoo by PPH · · Score: 1

      It's a prison colony, actually. The government can't break the habit of tossing the residents' cells.

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  9. Not that big a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently the only ones losing rights online are white males.

    Nothing to see here, move along.

  10. Aussie Expat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can think of all the worst things being enacted in the West and Australia is the testing ground for it (due to lower population and required work to implement things like global surveillance etc).

    Australia is a Banana republic - where criticism of Israel using forged Australian passports in their assassination activities resulted in the Australian Prime Minister being overthrown and replaced by the Girlfriend of an Israeli diplomat at the embassy (read - Intelligence Agent).

    I left a country relatively OK - only to return 20 years later to see that it had become a Police state.

    1. Re:Aussie Expat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. QLD is by far the "freeest" of the states, with NSW being the worst. I would, however, also live in Darwin despite the heat/humidity. The NT are unlike most of the rest of Oz. Darwin is to NT (and Oz) what Vancouver is to Canada. The vast majority of people living there are now immigrants.

  11. Their citizen - Julian Assange - BRING HIM HOME ! by Btrot69 · · Score: 1

    Assange is an Australian citizen and he personifies the intersection of Human Rights and the "Digital Agenda".

    Now that Sweden has dropped its case, he should be free -- except that the British government now insists on prosecuting him for bail violations (and then extradite him to Trumpistan).

    It would be simple under existing treaties for the Australian government to step in and BRING HIM HOME to face a relatively fair trial for whatever he is alleged to have done.

     

  12. Australians Are Retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think Trump is bad, you should see who we vote for... Recent PM told aussies ADSL2+ over copper was better than Fibre.. and we swallowed it and now have the shittest internet on the planet. Also we seem to vote for Tyrannical governments (We just passed laws banning protests, and legal assembles)

  13. Absolute bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Australia is not a gun nut country. No city people have guns(*). Many country people have guns(#) but aren't American style gun nutty about them.

    Some people think the gun laws in Australia are too strict but they are in a very slim minority. Most people want fewer guns than we have now.

    The government IS actively destroying our privacy, but it has NOTHING to do with guns.

    (*) Some city people are in target shooting clubs, etc. Only the police openly carry guns. Nobody has concealed weapons.

    (#) All rifles and shotguns for pest control and animal slaughter. No military style weapons at all.

    1. Re:Absolute bollocks! by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Only the police openly carry guns.

      And security guards.

      No military style weapons at all.

      It depends what you mean by "military style", but yes. Category D includes most non-fully-auto firearms that most countries consider to be "military style" (centrefire rifles, self-loading or pump-action shotguns over 5 rounds capacity, semi-auto rimfire rifles over 10 rounds capacity), and they are available to those who need one for their job such as farmers and professional hunters.

      Contrary to what American marketers would have you believe, non-professional sporting shooters don't actually need firearms in this class.

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  14. It's the terrorism scare, not gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Port Arthur massacre prompted some minor gun control legislation. That's it. Everything else you mention is unrelated.

    The anti-privacy anti-citizen nonsense the government is pressing for now is a response to the terrorism scare. They like the idea of having control and the amazing level of fear in society of Muslim terrorists means they can get more control just for the asking. Labor has no balls and will never stand in the way of "security" legislation.

    Of course, the fear of Muslim terrorists is deliberately stirred up by politicians too. How many politicians point out we've not had any Muslim terrorist attacks here? None. When commentators (the very, very few honest ones) point this out, politicians fall over themselves talking up the horror of overseas Muslim wars and that's why we should all be sick with fear here. Bastards the lot of them.

  15. Lobbying the Australian Government by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    I've been lobbying the Australian government for 25 years on freedom of speech, association and censorship issues. As Australia does not have a bill of rights many really bad laws are attempted here so our populace has to be alert all the time. Unfortunately most don't because, lets face it, it's complicated and frustrating work - exactly what the govt. depends on so they have a path of minimum resistance.

    Even though I really love Australia, I'll call my country out for being cunts, bottom line really, because I want our culture to evolve into something better. We're the template for modern covert fascism and I'll explain what I've observed in all those years of lobbying.

    Years ago companies used to bring their wares to Australia first because we were a good test market for the US at 1/10th the population. That meant they could test marketing campaigns and product here first and figure out how they would sell it. Now I don't know exactly when it started however I think some clever politician figured out they could do that with political campaigns and when they wanted to legislate a new law they could try the shittiest version here then take it to other 5 I countries and pull out the things their bill of rights would not allow.

    The latest version I see in the US is refugees, but we've been being cunts to refugees for years. We completely destroy their lives and when we're done making them wait however many years we send them back to where they came from to get tortured and killed. As an Australian, I have to say, I'm totally fucking ashamed.

    I really believed in Democracy and I always thought that countries like ours were places where dissidents running from tyranny could come, I thought Australia was a designated protest zone, because freedom is the most important thing. I hope western countries can fix it because their is a lot of really good things about western culture.

    And it's not that the everyday person is a bad person, they're not. However I think the time has come when we wake the fuck up and realise we are being deceived, before all western cultures loose this really good thing we have.

    I hope you can see this is not bagging western culture it's trying to save it from being corrupted.

    All the best to you.

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