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A Nanoscale Look At a Complete Fly Brain (cemag.us)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Controlled Environments Magazine: Two high-speed electron microscopes. 7,062 brain slices. 21 million images. For a team of scientists at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute's Janelia Research Campus in Ashburn, Virginia, these numbers add up to a technical first: a high-resolution digital snapshot of the adult fruit fly brain. Researchers can now trace the path of any one neuron to any other neuron throughout the whole brain, says neuroscientist Davi Bock, a group leader at Janelia who reported the work along with his colleagues on July 19 in the journal Cell.

The fruit fly brain, roughly the size of a poppy seed, contains about 100,000 neurons (humans have 100 billion). Each neuron branches into a starburst of fine wires that touch the wires of other neurons. Neurons talk to one another through these touchpoints, or synapses, forming a dense mesh of communication circuits. Scientists can view these wires and synapses with an imaging technique called serial section transmission electron microscopy. First, they infuse the fly's brain with a cocktail of heavy metals. These metals pack into cell membranes and synapses, ultimately marking the outlines of each neuron and its connections. Then the researchers hit slices of the brain with a beam of electrons, which passes through everything except the metal-loaded parts. "It's the same way that x-rays go through your body except where they hit bone," Bock explains. The resulting images expose the brain's once-hidden nooks and crannies.

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  1. Re:Is the fly going to be OK? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    No animals were harmed in the making of this study.

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  2. 100k neurons only by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yet the fly adapts to so many different situations, flies,"eats", copulates etc.... that emphasizes how powerful the 3D brain structure is, and how our current AI is not.

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    1. Re:100k neurons only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      As smart as they are, they can't seem to adapt to the flypaper in my house ;)

    2. Re:100k neurons only by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is more of natural selection... genetics takes time!

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    3. Re:100k neurons only by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is more of natural selection... genetics takes time!

      If an organism relies on genetics to solve every novel problem, then it is stupid.

    4. Re:100k neurons only by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Well, it relies on genetics as there is no much other ways to educate their "children" (some eggs abandoned to themselves). Yet, genetics is able to drive the brain construction and "teach" it to avoid some dangers. Not that stupid.

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    5. Re:100k neurons only by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Do you think Darwin Award winners are smart?

      Evolution is just brute force trial and error with 99% collateral damage. There is nothing "intelligent" about it. The individuals unable to adapt to their environment without being Darwined out of existence are not intelligent either.

    6. Re:100k neurons only by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Yeah, re-reading your previous post I see your point. And I agree, from that angle.

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    7. Re:100k neurons only by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      Natural selection is the thing that drives evolution. You don't have natural selection instead of evolution.

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    8. Re:100k neurons only by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Well you see, if our friends start their nuclear games, human race (and others) disappear. That's selection and it's not natural. But that's still evolution.

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    9. Re:100k neurons only by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      And yet 100k neurons connections handled by one of our current computers would be thinking slower than a fly.

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    10. Re:100k neurons only by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      If they're so smart, why are they flies?

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    11. Re:100k neurons only by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Because even the smarter humans were not able to reproduce a fly brain.

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    12. Re:100k neurons only by antdude · · Score: 1

      And they can't figure out how to get out with open windows. :P

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  3. Tiny worm C. Elegans is still a mystery by aberglas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It has about 300 neurons, 1000 cells all up (so about a third are neurons). Its connectome (wiring diagram) has been known for decades, and unlike human brains is identical in each worm. But how it actually thinks remains a mystery.

    So good work to understand a fruit fly, and no doubt useful. But do not mistake it for understanding.

    While understanding neurons might be helpful for building an AI, I think it is unlikely that an AI will be any direct mapping. Aeroplanes are not built out of feathers.

    1. Re:Tiny worm C. Elegans is still a mystery by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Much progress has been made at understanding C. elegans. The OpenWorm project has simulated the neuron to muscle pathway, and they estimate they are about 30% of the way to a complete simulation.

      Simulating a fly brain will be a big step beyond that.

    2. Re:Tiny worm C. Elegans is still a mystery by raftpeople · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unless the OpenWorm project is also simulating the astrocytes that modulate and manage synapse activity, it's probably not going to be successful. For further info, google astrocyte tripartite synapse and you will find that neuroscientists now consider the astrocyte to be managing/controlling the synapse, (responding to neurotransmitters and signalling neurons on either side of the synapse as well as other glial cells).

    3. Re:Tiny worm C. Elegans is still a mystery by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      Interesting information, but did you read the linked article? The project's ultimate goal is simulating all of the cells, and the post you replied to claims they are 30% of the way there.

      BTW, C. Elegans only has 50 glial cells.

    4. Re:Tiny worm C. Elegans is still a mystery by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unless the OpenWorm project is also simulating the astrocytes ...

      They are. OpenWorm is a project to digitally simulate the entire organism at the biochemical level. All the cells. Every chemical pathway.

      Worms first. Then flies. Then humans.

    5. Re:Tiny worm C. Elegans is still a mystery by sheramil · · Score: 2

      But how it actually thinks remains a mystery.

      How much time do you think C. elegans spends contemplating "does existence precede essence?"

    6. Re:Tiny worm C. Elegans is still a mystery by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      simulate the entire organism at the biochemical level

      I call BS. Every chemical reaction in the entire organism is simulated? Cells replicate? Proteins fold and unfold? Enzymes trigger chemical reactions? The organisms reproduce? Suuuuuure.

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    7. Re:Tiny worm C. Elegans is still a mystery by raftpeople · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm very aware of the OpenWorm project and I think it's a great idea to start with the smallest brain rather than others that think they can jump right into simulating a rat brain or a human brain.

      Having said that, they will first need to figure out how the astrocytes performs their computations and neuroscientists are absolutely nowhere near that level of information. In addition, even in the neuron, DNA is involved in computations (synapse strength is altered by turning on/off genes via epigenetic mechanisms and those alternations are what sustain the synapse at the current strength). So, OpenWorm idea is good but they are a looooong way off from having enough info to simulate the computations that happen.

    8. Re: Tiny worm C. Elegans is still a mystery by jbengt · · Score: 1

      No, they started the process mimicking birds, but most of those failed spectacularly. How many birds do you know that have internal combustion engines driving propellers and fixed bi-plane wings?

    9. Re:Tiny worm C. Elegans is still a mystery by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      We won't be successful with a real AI until we return to analog computing. The brain in biological organisms is analog and operates roughly equivalent to a pokey 600mhz. The difference is the 100 billion connections with upwards of dozens of routing paths per neuron and analog communication. We are a long way from being able to create something similar. Although we wouldn't need the full 100 billion because much of the brains computing power is devoted not to inteligence but simply managing living processes it still going to be a very long time before we will ever get close to this.

    10. Re:Tiny worm C. Elegans is still a mystery by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      OpenWorm is a project to fantasize about simulating the entire organism

      FTFY.
      There is zero reason to believe that this will be achieved anytime this century.

  4. Re:Kids, take note on heavy metals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ah, both kinds of music!

  5. Re: Kids, take note on heavy metals by nowwith25percentmore · · Score: 1

    "Fly Brain" does sound like it could be the name of a heavy metal band, doesn't it?

  6. Re: Kids, take note on heavy metals by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    "Fat Girls Taking Dumps" would also be a great band name
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  7. Re:In an effort to raise the plunging American IQ by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Brain size and IQ are not necessarily correlated.

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  8. Re:In an effort to raise the plunging American IQ by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    (among humans at least)

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  9. I'd like to get my brain mapped, but by sabbede · · Score: 1
    I'm not sure I want to do it this way. There seems to be an awful lot of slicing involved, and then there's a ton of heavy metal poisoning on top of it.

    I think I might just wait for a less lethal method.

  10. I don't understand, where's the tea? by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    You'd be programmed to not notice the difference.

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    1. Re:I don't understand, where's the tea? by sabbede · · Score: 1
      Applause!

      +1,000,000 points for style.

  11. This is a Models Brain! by Zorro · · Score: 1

    Actual size!

  12. Re:the Crazy one by CODiNE · · Score: 3, Funny

    *Looks at label on the brain jar*
    "Abby Normal... what a nice name for a fruit fly. I'll use this brain."

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  13. Re: (call me) the Crazy one by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    "The Insane Fruit Flys" would be a good name for a band except for the possibility of mispronunciation "Insane Fruit Fries" or "Insane Foot Fries".

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  14. Why we can't build truly thinking AI by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    This article, and the description of what they have to go through just to map a paltry 1x10^5 neurons (as compared to the 1x10^11 in a human brain), is an excellent example of one of the problems with understanding how a biological brain, like humans posess, produces phenomena like sentience, self-awareness, cognition, and real ability to think. For starters, they can't map it without killing the host first, because they have to dismantle the brain in order to map it. Furthermore, since a living brain is extremely fluid and dynamic in it's operating state, mapping it statically just gives you a snapshot, it doesn't show you all the dynamics of how it actually operates. If we want to be able to truly unlock the mysteries of how our own brain works, we need better instrumentality to give us the means to both map the neuronal connections and see the entire brain operating in realtime, without having to kill the host and dismantle the brain in the first place. Until then we're just shooting in the dark with the current approach to artificial intelligence, which is why it's so weak compared to a biological brain.

  15. As in Ghost in the shell by paolo.redaelli · · Score: 1

    The world depicted in Ghost in the Shell is approaching