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Apple's T2 Chip May Be Causing Issues In iMac Pro, 2018 MacBook Pros (digitaltrends.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the another-day-another-MacBook-Pro-controversy dept.

According to Digital Trends, the T2 chip that enables things like secure boot, better encrypted storage, and "Hey Siri" support may be causing problems in MacBook Pro and iMac Pro computers. From the report: Many iMac Pro owners have reportedly suffered numerous kernel panics -- the MacOS version of the dreaded Blue Screen of Death in Windows -- since they hit the market at the end of 2017. You can find a handful of threads on Apple's community forums, including this one, detailing the trials and tribulations customers are experiencing with their expensive iMac Pros and Apple support. The problems apparently reside in the new MacBook Pro laptops, too. Of all the error messages uploaded to these threads, there is one detail they seem to share: Bridge OS. This is an embedded operating system used by Apple's stand-alone T2 security chip, which provides the iMac Pro with a secure boot, encrypted storage, live "Hey Siri" commands, and so on. It's now included in the new 2018 models of the 13- and 15-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar. But whether the T2 chip is behind all the kernel panics is up in the air. The symptoms and solutions are varied across complaints, such as iMac Pro owners daisy-chaining storage devices seeing crashes along with those with nothing connected at all. But Apple is aware of the problems and is apparently working on the issue behind the scenes. While Apple is replacing these machines, the problems still seem to occur on the new hardware. This latest controversy comes hot on the heels of the last MacBook Pro controversy about overheating concerns.

92 comments

  1. Kernel Panic = BSOD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... kernel panics -- the MacOS version of the dreaded Blue Screen of Death in Windows ...

    LOL !!

    1. Re: Kernel Panic = BSOD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A BSOD is kernel panic in verbose mode

    2. Re:Kernel Panic = BSOD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BSOD is the windows version of a kernel panic, they both serve the exact same purpose.

  2. Colonel PAnick by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've had various kernel panics since Yosemite....caused by (seem to be) things such as Thunderbolt Raid, Ethernet, Sleep Wake and Raid...I wonder if I need a new machine, or to take the Macbook Pro in for service. Eventually, Apple issued an OS revision and the problem goes away (until a future OS update). It is unfortunate that it is hard to tell where the problem lies unless apple admts it.

    1. Re:Colonel PAnick by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      On my work-provided 2015 MacBook Pro, I’ve had an issue where plugging an Ethernet adapter in to one USB port when another USB port is already in use triggers a kernel panic. But, by itself, the adapter is fine.

      I should probably take it in before the warranty expires... but it never seems to happen at a time when that would be convenient.

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    2. Re:Colonel PAnick by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I wonder if I need a new machine, or to take the Macbook Pro in for service.

      You know, in the automotive world, we like to say that Ford was kind enough to circle the problem. (Yeah, it's an oval, but circle can mean circumnavigate.) In the computer world, the warning label that tells you that you're looking at an overpriced, underengineered pile of shit is the Apple logo.

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    3. Re:Colonel PAnick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was that an Apple branded Ethernet adapter causing a problem? I'm curious.

      I bought three Apple USB to Ethernet adapters and I found that one of them would consistently crash my Mac but not my PC. I bought so many of them at the time because I was playing with some networking stuff at the time and needed extra Ethernet ports. I found a way to do without the one wonky adapter, marked it so I'd know not to use it on a Mac, and pretty much forgot about it.

      Considering that the adapter still works, just not on my Mac, and newer and better adapters now sell for half the $30 I paid for it, I'm not really going to worry about it a whole lot. It's interesting that you saw a similar problem. I'm guessing Apple second sourced the chips in the adapters and a some have a bad chip and others don't.

    4. Re:Colonel PAnick by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Was that an Apple branded Ethernet adapter causing a problem? I'm curious.

      It's this one from Anker: https://www.anker.com/products...

      Note that when I referred to plugging in a second USB device, I was not referring to one of the USB ports on this hub - this adapter plus one other device were both being plugged into USB ports on my laptop.

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  3. A new slogan for Apple hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just doesn't work!

  4. You're booting it wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -Apple tech support

  5. Thin has terrible side effects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A workstation (desktop or portable) should always focus on proper cooling and performance specs even if it means making it thicker or adding another air duct.

    These things are supposed to be trucks - Apple needs to start acting like it.

  6. Time to go back to the drawing board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    MacOS really needs a complete rewrite from the ground up. At this point it is a Frankenstein pastiche of this and that culled from here and there. It's architecture has long been eclipsed, a cousin to GNU Hurd, and just as ancient. Apple engineers have kept things afloat with some pretty good hacks. But they are hacks nonetheless.

    MacOS is long in the tooth, and chock full of ugliness. It is time to start over with a clean new 21st century design.

    1. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple has never been capable of a clean rewrite. The culture there isn't capable of 'inventing' something that big, and NIH is the holy gospel. They tried to write a new preemptive multitasking OS to replace the hoary old pascal-based MacOS when MacOS 9 was growing long in the tooth. Pink/Taligent was a disaster. They failed so badly that Jobs had to come back and take over with the Unix derived workalike from NeXT, which notably was developed OUTSIDE the Apple fogzone.

      It's really a pity they didn't go with BeOS instead. That was some fresh new design, again from people who had escaped the Apple fogzone.

    2. Re:Time to go back to the drawing board by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      MacOS really needs a complete rewrite from the ground up. At this point it is a Frankenstein pastiche of this and that culled from here and there. It's architecture has long been eclipsed, a cousin to GNU Hurd, and just as ancient. Apple engineers have kept things afloat with some pretty good hacks. But they are hacks nonetheless.

      MacOS is long in the tooth, and chock full of ugliness. It is time to start over with a clean new 21st century design.

      Name a major OS for which those same words cannot be said.

      I'll wait.

    3. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Apple has never been capable of a clean rewrite. The culture there isn't capable of 'inventing' something that big, and NIH is the holy gospel. They tried to write a new preemptive multitasking OS to replace the hoary old pascal-based MacOS when MacOS 9 was growing long in the tooth. Pink/Taligent was a disaster. They failed so badly that Jobs had to come back and take over with the Unix derived workalike from NeXT, which notably was developed OUTSIDE the Apple fogzone.

      It's really a pity they didn't go with BeOS instead. That was some fresh new design, again from people who had escaped the Apple fogzone.

      Pink/Taligent, like Copeland, was a cluster because it was trying to half-ass the rewrite.

      And BeOS had its problems, too.

    4. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What problems did BeOS have? I primarily used it on x86 and was impressed by its performance. Windows would struggle to play an mp3 while BeOS could mix in real-time for streams simultaneously. Never had an issue with storage and even the web and ftp server was solid. I always hated MacOS and all things Apple because they could never play well with others. BeOS did it all right from the beginning. It talked to Linux and Windows just fine while I was and am still struggling with OS X and Samba support to this day as the defaults are not sane if you want performance.

      The only issue was limited hardware support but they made that quite clear as well. It either worked with the hardware on the list or it didn't. There was rarely anything in between if at all. Hard to remember that far back since it was the 486 days.

    5. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      AFAICT the only problem with BeOS was the lack of multiuser support, but frankly that is really not that difficult to solve. I mean, we honestly got pretty good multiuser support for goddamned AmigaOS, and that was a teeny tiny little thing. You could have a complete multiuser system with TCP/IP in under 20MB. I know, because I did. It was a nice place to run UUCP.

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    6. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by blindseer · · Score: 1

      It's really a pity they didn't go with BeOS instead. That was some fresh new design, again from people who had escaped the Apple fogzone.

      Maybe they would have if the asking price wasn't so high. At least that's how I recall the story from news reports at the time. Be Inc had a nice OS but it was far from a finished product even at the R5 stage of development. Sure, it booted and ran but that's not a complete product. BeOS may have been a complete operating system but without development tools, libraries to build on, and so forth, it was not something valuable to developers.

      Near the end they started to add in open source software to make it appeal to some of the Linux and BSD types but at that point it just started to look like any other *nix clone, except it had an untested kernel, a non-X11 window system, and a funny file system. As I recall the multi-user capability on BeOS was incomplete or absent. Having that in the days of MacOS 7 and Windows 98 might have been acceptable but people were demanding multi-user systems, especially in education and corporate environments where BeOS was (supposedly) competing.

      Of course a lot of things were going on at the time that made things difficult for BeOS to get adopted. Microsoft was playing games with licensing for end users and computer manufacturers, where they'd have to pay for a Windows license even if the computer shipped with BeOS. There was the "browser wars" that left BeOS in a spot with their browser being limited by the lack of web standards and no one willing to put much effort in porting a browser. Apple licensed their design to others, allowing BeOS a platform to run on, and then Apple pulling the licensing.

      I played with BeOS quite a bit for a while. Used it to play some games, write some code, but it became clear that the hardware developers weren't interested (again likely because of games Apple and Microsoft were playing), and the software people didn't come without a base of users and hardware.

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    7. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Macos is shit. Simply shit.

    8. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      What problems did BeOS have?

      1. Lack of applications
      2. Lack of users
      3. Lack of a compelling reason to use it

    9. Re:Time to go back to the drawing board by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      There are really only 2 major OSes: Windows and Android. Both have more than 80% market share. All other OSes are, in fact, bit/minor players.

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    10. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Your fifth sentence contradicts the first two. As does Apple's adoption of or compatibility with Intel/PCI/SATA/SDRAM/USB/Samba/FAT/NTFS(ro)/OpenGL....you know, most of the things.

    11. Re:Time to go back to the drawing board by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      There are really only 2 major OSes: Windows and Android. Both have more than 80% market share. All other OSes are, in fact, bit/minor players.

      And what does that have to do with my statement?

      We all know that Windows could use a ground-up rewrite. And even Google thinks Android should be abandoned at the earliest opportunity in favor of Fuschia, or whatever it's called...

    12. Re:Time to go back to the drawing board by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      You asked about major OSes, and implied that MacOS was a major OS. It is not.

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    13. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by dromgodis · · Score: 1

      Also, Taligent was/turned into a joint venture together with IBM. That can delay, half-ass and grow-to-unusable-proportions anything.

      Ahhh, fond memories of an intensive Taligent programming course at IBM in Austin, where a GUI Hello World program took ~10 min to build on a then pretty-much-state-of-the-art Pentium 100MHz. That course turned out to be a not so good investment for my employer. :)

    14. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEXT had the exact same problems...

    15. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      1. Lack of applications

      NeXTStep had the same problem — by the time Apple adopted it, most devs had long-since abandoned it.

      2. Lack of users

      NeXTStep had the same problem — by the time Apple adopted it, most users had long-since abandoned it.

      3. Lack of a compelling reason to use it

      NeXTStep had that problem, but BeOS did not. NeXTStep is just BSD with ObjC (which statistically nobody was using at the time) and a Microkernel being used as a HAL (since all process management is done by the BSD kernel, not the Mach kernel.) and with Display Postscript providing display-independent rendering. BeOS, on the other hand, was astoundingly fast even on limited hardware. Its multitasking and multiprocessing performance was the best around. It was enormously popular with developers even before x86 support, at least given how little hardware there was in the wild. There were far more compelling reasons (by number) to adopt BeOS than to adopt NeXTStep. The most compelling reason to adopt NeXTStep is that it came with a Steve Jobs. But he died of a cancer which was highly treatable with standard means, and they did not really get their money's worth.

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    16. Re:Time to go back to the drawing board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are really only 2 major OSes: Windows and Android. Both have more than 80% market share. All other OSes are, in fact, bit/minor players.

      Both are in serious need of a rewrite. So what was your point about - did you have to scream your stupidity out again?

    17. Re:Time to go back to the drawing board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what does that have to do with my statement?

      We all know that Windows could use a ground-up rewrite. And even Google thinks Android should be abandoned at the earliest opportunity in favor of Fuschia, or whatever it's called...

      Well, only the engineers at Google think so - but Google is run by marketing, by which I mean their advertisement division.

    18. Re:Time to go back to the drawing board by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      You asked about major OSes, and implied that MacOS was a major OS. It is not.

      It is to over ONE HUNDRED MILLION Active Mac owners worldwide:

      https://www.theverge.com/2017/...

      Now, something like AmigaOS, ReactOS or BeOS, now THOSE are decidedly NOT "Major" OSes.

      And Mobile OSes don't count, sorry. That's more akin to Embedded Firmware than a proper OS, even if it plays one on TV, and has pieces-parts of a real OS included.

    19. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Also, Taligent was/turned into a joint venture together with IBM. That can delay, half-ass and grow-to-unusable-proportions anything.

      Ahhh, fond memories of an intensive Taligent programming course at IBM in Austin, where a GUI Hello World program took ~10 min to build on a then pretty-much-state-of-the-art Pentium 100MHz. That course turned out to be a not so good investment for my employer. :)

      Interesting anecdote!

    20. Re:Time to go back to the drawing board by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      No, it's not. It has less than 9% market share. Not even double digits. Windows has ten times that amount, owning nearly 90% of the entire market. There is, in fact, only a single major OS in desktop - all others are small, specialty offerings.

      And if you want to discount mobile, that's fine - then it's just Windows as the only major OS in the world. If you want to include mobile, then it's a duopoly - Windows and Android (which also has a Windows-like market penetration with iOS a vastly far behind 2nd place).

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    21. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter how much you cheerlead; mac does not matter.

    22. Re: Time to go back to the drawing board by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Didn't get their money's worth?

      They went from 60 days from bankruptcy and just about having their official name changed to "beleaguered Apple Computer" to one of the most valuable companies there ever has been, a brand that is more recognized and respected than practically any other (except here) and revenues that, if they were a country, would rank them around Finland.

      I think they did just fine after all is said and done.

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  7. Another perspective by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    ”This is an embedded operating system used by Apple's stand-alone T2 security chip, which provides the iMac Pro with a secure boot, encrypted storage, live "Hey Siri" commands, and so on.”

    Perhaps the T2 chips intentionally trigger kernel panics because they find Siri as aggravating as the rest of us do.

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    1. Re:Another perspective by I75BJC · · Score: 1

      LOL!!! (Sorry, no mode points or you would have one from me!)

    2. Re:Another perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      T2 chips intentionally trigger

      Who knows what they will trigger after 798 version updates..

    3. Re:Another perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ”This is an embedded operating system used by Apple's stand-alone T2 security chip..."

      Seriously? The TouchBar OS that resides in a hidden EFI partition is enough of a problem already for a gimmick feature no one uses much.

      Some of our users are "smart" enough to successfully clean or zero out the storage when they quit and hand in their hardware (we erase/reinstall the OS and re-provision the system before it goes to the next user), which blows away the TouchBar OS. Most of the time you can get it right again by doing an internet recovery, I have one MB Pro that fails to pull down the TouchBar OS and successfully install it regardless of how I reinstall the OS, internet recovery with shipped OS version, current OS, bootable thumb drive install, NetBoot/NetRestore system (now retired in favor of Apple preferred process of booting into recovery mode, erasing and reinstalling the OS, then letting DEP take over and complete the job).

      Shitty features designed to sell product in exchange for quality and reliability, that is where Apple is now.

  8. A pattern is emerging by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Back in 2006 all the iMacs I saw with that tiny little vent overheated constantly in any ambient temp above 75F. Then there was the iphones and their death hold, touch death, sapphire lens purple flare, bending, battery issues, artificial performance degradation, purposeful bricking due to 3rd party hardware. Then there's the macbook that can't run at the speed they claim under any circumstances other than inside a freezer because they made it too thin. Now their rushed-out unnecessary feature chip is failing. It's almost like Apple never has made good products and never will. Why can't anyone else see this pattern?

    1. Re:A pattern is emerging by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      It's almost like Apple never has made good products and never will.

      No way, man. The Macintosh IIci was a triumph of engineering. That was one of the best machines ever made, IMO. Granted, it was overpriced AF — paying five grand for a 68030@25 was some Sun Microsystems level shit. But still, it was a fantastic, durable machine that was trivial to work on. You could swap the power supply without any tools, for example.

      Since then, though, it's all been downhill, starting with the Macintosh IIfx with its nonstandard SCSI termination...

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    2. Re:A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in 2006 all the iMacs I saw with that tiny little vent overheated constantly in any ambient temp above 75F. Then there was the iphones and their death hold, touch death, sapphire lens purple flare, bending, battery issues, artificial performance degradation, purposeful bricking due to 3rd party hardware. Then there's the macbook that can't run at the speed they claim under any circumstances other than inside a freezer because they made it too thin. Now their rushed-out unnecessary feature chip is failing. It's almost like Apple never has made good products and never will. Why can't anyone else see this pattern?

      yeah whatever man, do you really think that dell, lenovo, etc, don't have problems? have you ever owned a car? was it perfect? come on now

    3. Re: A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yes nubus was such a great choice, there were SO many third party boards available!

    4. Re: A pattern is emerging by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I have a Max IIci in my collection. It's also chock full of National Instruments data acq. cards and the original version of LabView.

    5. Re:A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't anyone else see this pattern?

      You used selection bias to choose your data, and confirmation bias in your writeup because of your personal feelings about Apple.

      No wonder your wife left you.

    6. Re:A pattern is emerging by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      It's almost like Apple never has made good products and never will.

      No way, man. The Macintosh IIci was a triumph of engineering. That was one of the best machines ever made, IMO. Granted, it was overpriced AF — paying five grand for a 68030@25 was some Sun Microsystems level shit. But still, it was a fantastic, durable machine that was trivial to work on. You could swap the power supply without any tools, for example.

      Since then, though, it's all been downhill, starting with the Macintosh IIfx with its nonstandard SCSI termination...

      Let it go, will ya?you just use the Black terminator and all is golden.

    7. Re: A pattern is emerging by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I have a Max IIci in my collection. It's also chock full of National Instruments data acq. cards and the original version of LabView.

      Back when LabView was Mac only. Back when it was good.

    8. Re:A pattern is emerging by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      They had a good run with the macbook pros and mac pros... up until the trash cans anyhow. Now, we enter the shitshow....

    9. Re:A pattern is emerging by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Let it go, will ya?you just use the Black terminator and all is golden.

      Golden? I thought you said it was black.

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    10. Re:A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Back in 2006 all the iMacs I saw with that tiny little vent overheated constantly in any ambient temp above 75F. Then there was the iphones and their death hold, touch death, sapphire lens purple flare, bending, battery issues, artificial performance degradation, purposeful bricking due to 3rd party hardware. Then there's the macbook that can't run at the speed they claim under any circumstances other than inside a freezer because they made it too thin. Now their rushed-out unnecessary feature chip is failing. It's almost like Apple never has made good products and never will. Why can't anyone else see this pattern?

      There is a pattern of nothing else on the market being consistently better...

    11. Re:A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's almost like Apple never has made good products and never will. Why can't anyone else see this pattern?

      There's malicious intent behind some of the [disposable] products they make.

    12. Re: A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their workstations really hit their stride after they ditched the plastic encasement in favor of the aluminum monolith. They kept cool as hell, were easy as can be to work on, and were so damn heavy nobody in their right mind would try to steal it.

    13. Re:A pattern is emerging by tsa · · Score: 2

      My 2011 MBP is the best laptop Apple has ever made.

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    14. Re:A pattern is emerging by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      Same here, agreed.

      Jonny Ive is an idiot, pushing form over function. New Macs are more of a pain in the ass than old Macs.

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    15. Re: A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have totally forgotten about SCSI termination and have a background in storage, configuration, maintenance, etc. I bet 95% of the people on this site today don't even know what SCSI is/was.

    16. Re: A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then they realized what a dead end platform apple was.

    17. Re:A pattern is emerging by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Let it go, will ya?you just use the Black terminator and all is golden.

      Golden? I thought you said it was black.

      Ha ha. That's very logical.

    18. Re:A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because maybe you have a bit of confirmation bias.

      it's like saying:
      "Heidi Klum cut her self shaving in 2012, got a pimple in 2013, a bruise in 2014, puffy eyes from allergies in 2015, and a hangnail in 2016. Its almost like she was never attractive to anyone at all"

      Maybe those issues were corner cases and the vast majority of people don't experience those issues at all as they arent inherent in the design, but a flaw that only shows up occasionally.

      Why do you think that Apple has had the best long term customer satisfaction for most of that stuff?
      hint: It's because most people are satisfied.

    19. Re:A pattern is emerging by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Around 2006 was when Apple was applying 5x too much thermal paste to CPUs. You could dramatically improve cooling performance by replacing it with the correct amount.

      As I recall those were also the first generation of the plastic, glued together hinge clips where the glue would be heated by the exhaust heat and eventually fail.

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    20. Re:A pattern is emerging by sad_ · · Score: 1

      Let it go, will ya?you just use the Black terminator and all is golden.

      Golden? I thought you said it was black.

      the gold part is refering to the price.

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    21. Re:A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because people blame themselves because you cannot blame Apple if your in the cult.
      Has Apple ever admitted to making an error? The silicon membrane under the new mac book pro is to silence the keyboard not because they got it wrong for the last 3 years and finally decided to fix something.

    22. Re:A pattern is emerging by organgtool · · Score: 1

      I find it funny that everyone has their own opinion of which year was the best MBP. Back in the days of Jobs, the best MBP was always the latest but now that's rarely the case. It's not surprising given that Apple's latest laptops make more headlines for the features they've removed rather than the features they've added.

    23. Re:A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      paying five grand for a 68030@25 was some Sun Microsystems level shit.

      with an A/UX license and 128MB RAM, perhaps.... Unrelatedly, it was not too many years after IIci release before the first time Apple considered acquiring Sun. Before marketing destroyed their QA & hardware, Sun had game, and their OS's still do. I know there must be Sun pieces from the day still cherished somewhere by someone, but IIci owners are not all that uncommon today, with plenty of IIci displayed in perpetual demo state or stored safely nearby. I bet there are at least 50 IIci still owned by Slashdot members alone, and the vast majority of those left are not owned by slashdot members... hundreds... maybe a few thousand globally. There were lots of good machines made, but the IIci among them was more than just a good machine... to acquire so much affection from owners.

      Who will be still running or cherishing a T2 iMac in 20 years?

    24. Re: A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been trying to forget about all of the SCSI headaches, you insensitive clod!

    25. Re:A pattern is emerging by tsa · · Score: 1

      No, the best one is still the latest. The latest that Jobs supervised the construction of.

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    26. Re: A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're comparing temporary, minor cosmetic blemishes with usability shit like bad caps, GPUs, batteries, keyboards that have hundreds to thousands in value that annoyingly last for a huge portion of lifetime of device?

      Fuck you, apologist.

    27. Re:A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google sold around 4 million Pixel phones in 2017 so a 10 DPPM (defect parts per million) issue would result in 40 cases.
      Apple sold around 200 million iPhones in 2017 so the same defect rate would result in 2000 cases - suddenly it's a "*gate" level story.

      If you actually look at failure rates, Apple devices are generally much more reliable than all other consumer electronics brands.

    28. Re: A pattern is emerging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well yes, back when Mac was good.

  9. next mac pro needs to have storage that is not loc by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    next mac pro needs to have storage that is not locked to the MB or locked into apples choices.
    Forced raid 0 is an no go even more so 2 pci-e cards stuck behide an X4 pci-e link.

  10. I was expecting a Skynet joke... by waspleg · · Score: 1

    maybe along the lines of trying to save Steve Jobs via time travel, etc.

  11. Re:next mac pro needs to have storage that is not by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    next mac pro needs to have storage that is not locked to the MB or locked into apples choices.
    Forced raid 0 is an no go even more so 2 pci-e cards stuck behide an X4 pci-e link.

    No one using a Mac Pro or an iMac Pro is going to be storing data files on the internal storage; the files they typically work on are entirely too huge. Those users typically use SANs or big external RAIDs.

    So an internal RAID is a pretty silly thing on Pro machines.

  12. Best OS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you tried spending money on a Linux Desktop/Laptop?
    Linux from Dell is pricey but that's what rich people use.

  13. Re:next mac pro needs to have storage that is not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is quite crazy. 4k RAW video is still only a couple of TB. I've seen Mac Pro users mostly working with internal storage. It goes the same with my Windows Autocad station with SSD RAID5. It is faster than most SANs since SAN connections are limited by edge connectivity which is 10gig at best unless people are putting in 16 or 32gig fibre channel direct to a desk but most people don't do that. When we built our office I saw fit to future proof the wiring so there is single mode fiber in the graphics department so we are able but with both SANs being iSCSI again you're limited to 10gig.

    Every high-end workstation I encounter does the same thing. They pull their working files down, do their thing, then copy them back up. It is usually quicker to work local.

  14. The shark has been jumped... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 2

    ... it just keeps getting worse. My 2017 macbook pro likes to turn of the magical touch strip. Comes back on if you reboot, but...

    I really don't want to go back to windows... maybe I'll have another run at linux. It's been 10 years, and it was almost tolerable on the desktop back then.

    Gonna miss this sexy lookin package though.

  15. Get a refund by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And take your business elsewhere.

    1. Re:Get a refund by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apple users are too stupid to actually do this. They love the abuse from apple.

  16. Re: Trade Deal a Major Win for President Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks explains a lot. You are just good old fashion stupid.

  17. Re:next mac pro needs to have storage that is not by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    internal RAID 1 better then raid 0 or even
    multi disk setup with

    OS Disk
    Archive Storage / Backup disk
    scratch disk / temp work disk.

  18. A pattern...of Hatorade by Uberbah · · Score: 0, Troll

    You're operating on anecdotes and confirmation bias, which together can be used to prove just about anything. But Apple has been at or near the top of hardware reliability survey's since the Precambrian age of computing.

    1. Re: A pattern...of Hatorade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that before or after the Nvidia motherboard melt down back in 2009? ;)

    2. Re: A pattern...of Hatorade by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Both. But thank's for helping prove my point on confirmation bias and anecdotes. ;)

  19. User base is too small to matter by Gabest · · Score: 1

    I have yet to see a Macbook Pro in my vicinity.

    1. Re:User base is too small to matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have yet to see a Macbook Pro in my vicinity.

      Get out of your cabin in woods from time to time.

  20. Past peak-product. Now form over function. by inflex · · Score: 0

    Seems since the release of the A1502, things have just gone downhill. Losing useful/viable ports and declining options for repairs (both consumer and microsoldering). The MBPro Retina 13" / A1502 covered all areas well, and you could still change your SSD and still connect to items without requiring dongles. We should have seen Apple bring out the next one with USB C + USB A (3.x) but instead we ended up losing everything, even the laptop-saving magsafe.

    Likewise on the iPhone market, iPhone 6S/6S+ was mostly the peak in balance, but since then the devices have become increasingly difficult to repair.

  21. Same thing happened with 2011 MBP by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    The GPU overheated, and their logic board replacement program used logic boards that had the same problem, so eventually the replacements would have damaged GPUs too.

  22. Well of course! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    After seeing all the trouble the T2 caused to John Connor, it doesn't surprise me.

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    #DeleteFacebook