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US Airlines Change Taiwan Reference On Websites Ahead of Chinese Deadline (cnbc.com)

hackingbear writes from a report via CNBC: After dragging their feet for months and requesting help from the Trump administration, all three major U.S. airlines -- American, Delta and United -- decided to change how they refer to Taiwan airports on their websites to avoid Chinese penalties right before the Wednesday deadline. Earlier this year, China demanded that foreign firms, and airlines in particular, not refer to Taiwan as a non-Chinese territory on their websites, as such practice violates Chinese laws. The White House in May slammed the demand as "Orwellian nonsense." Numerous non-U.S. airlines including Air Canada, Lufthansa, and British Airways had already made changes to their websites. The airlines "now only list Taipei's airport code and city, but not the name Taiwan," reports CNBC. It was unclear how China might punish airlines that don't comply, but it did add a clause saying regulators could change a company's permit if it did not meet "the demand of public interest." An American Airlines spokeswoman said in a statement: "Air travel is global business, and we abide by the rules in countries where we operate."

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  1. Free Taiwan is dead by aberglas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Xi Jinping has made his ambitions very clear. And we will do nothing to stop it.

    This does not require some massive invasion. Just bit by bit, Xi will tighten the screws. Threats will work just fine as the rest of the world abandons Taiwan.

    It will be like Hong Kong. At first China will just demand a token governor be appointed, with only ceremonial powers, as symbolic recognition. Then they may give Taiwan a seat on the Chinese politburo, appointed by the Chinese government. Then closer police cooperation.

    Taiwan will do what everyone does and self censor. Radicals that want to push back will be censored by the Taiwanese themselves. Bit by bit that governor will become more powerful.

    1. Re:Free Taiwan is dead by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's interesting you mention Hong Kong, because that is really relevant here.

      People in Taiwan were watching how Hong Kong got treated, and they didn't like it at all. If the Chinese government had treated Hong Kong better, then Taiwan would have been much more willing to join.....but now there is too much opposition to that viewpoint, because they can see what will happen.

      To be clear, it isn't about economics or money: it's about freedom. The people in ROC see how Hong Kong has lost their freedoms, and they don't want to lose their own.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  2. Soft Power by Puls4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is what is called excercising soft power. Soft power is developed over time through financial and political influence. It is easily lost through buffoonery, name calling, and ineffectiveness. China has soft power. They rarely threaten or comment without taking action. Their financial situation and power affects every country in the world.

    Essentially the Chinese have learned the mantra "Speak softly and carry and big stick." American government has done just the opposite.

    For instance - making comments like XXX will suffer consequences, or "our nukes are bigger than yours" are exactly the kind of threat that destroys soft power. They are threats that are rarely or never acted upon, and they undermine your credibility.

    Our current administration has spent every last big of political capitol that the United States had left. No one is afraid of us. We are no longer the biggest dog in the room, and we continue to put our fingers in too many holes in the dyke rather than picking our battles carefully.

  3. Local Customs by pubwvj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An American Airlines spokeswoman said in a statement: "Air travel is global business, and we abide by the rules in countries where we operate."

    In some countries they require women to wear burkas so American Airlines is planning this for all their female stewardesses and pilots world-wide?

    1. Re:Local Customs by hyades1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think I read the same article you did. I recall the Air France stand on the matter, and thought they did a magnificent job of standing up for civilized conduct in a world where increasingly, drooling fanatics are being allowed to call the shots.

      As far as I'm concerned, if a country wants to cover women in mobile tents, forbid vaccinations and birth control, or engage in any of a dozen other behaviours that essentially spit in the face of science, free speech, individual freedom and other keystones of a free society, its borders should be pretty much sealed, except for legitimate refugees trying to get the hell out.

      And yes, I'm going to ignore the low-hanging fruit about whether some US states would fall under such a ban if it were instituted on less than a country-wide basis.

      --
      I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  4. Crystal ball by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Xi Jinping has made his ambitions very clear. And we will do nothing to stop it.

    People will make shit up, and no one will call them on it.

    Trump is most definitely the "pushback" president: he pushed back against North Korea, he's currently pushing back against Iran, he's pushing back against unfair trade practices from allies and adversaries, and he pushed back against terrorism by defeating ISIS.

    He has no problem taking direct action to stop something, so I have to ask:

    Where did you purchase your crystal ball?

  5. Non-whoosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look mate, if you're going to try sarcasm or subtlety *anywhere* near even a *mention* of Trump, you're going to lose. There is no way to go over the top of what he does. He already does stuff so batshit loopy that it's impossible to satirise.

    If you write what you wrote earlier, I'll believe that's what you think, and *I'll* think you are just an idiot.

  6. Geolocation? by sonamchauhan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Entertainment companies trip over themselves to use geoblocking: Prime video, Netflix, even YouTube movie trailers are locked down by geography. How come airlines are so hesitant to use geolocation to identify the jurisdiction of whom they are serving.

    Present Taiwan as a part of China in China (or wherever local laws demand). Present it as an independent country elsewhere. A Chinese national using aa.com when visiting Taipei should see 'Taipei, Taiwan'. When he's back in Beijing, aa.com should show him 'Taipei, China'

  7. Can't two play at this game? by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can't all the free nations of the world demand that airlines list Taipei as "Taipei, Taiwan", or face repercussions which mirror whatever China does if they don't? Yes it puts the airlines in a lose-lose situation. But it'll leave them free to vote their conscience instead of knuckling under extortion.