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Canada's Ontario Government Ends Basic Income Project (www.cbc.ca)
Lisa MacLeod, Progressive Conservative member and Children, Community and Social Services Minister of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario, said Tuesday that she would end the city's basic income pilot project, calling it expensive and "clearly not the answer for Ontario families." Few details are available as to how the project will come to an end, but MacLeod said her government will end the program "ethically" for anyone who is currently enrolled. Slashdot reader kenh shares an excerpt from a CBC.ca report: Close to 4,000 people were enrolled in the basic income pilot program in Thunder Bay, Lindsay, Hamilton, Brantford and Brant County. The pilot project started in April 2017. It was originally set to last three years, and explore the effectiveness of providing a basic income to those living on low incomes -- whether they were working or not. Under the project, a single person could have received up to about $17,000 a year, minus half of any income he or she earned. "A couple could have received up to $24,000 per year." People with disabilities could have received an additional $6,000.
Nope.
3. Handing those that don't work $17,000 to $24,000 is too much money to be confiscating from those that do work.
I'm amused at how many slashdotters wish they could be parasites on the rest of us. Grow up, get a job.
I love how BeauHD calls it "Canada's Ontario" as if it were some tiny place that no one knows about.
Hint, hint, BEAUHD: Ontario, CA was named after Ontario, Canada. Your little paradise of California that you can't even afford to live in but laud and laud is not the center of civilization.
BeauHD is a pure west coast nutjob. I wish that he would move back to San Francisco and live amongst the homeless drug addicted poop flinging monkeys they're importing by the busload.
I'm not convinced such a short and limited test would prove anything about UBI. Personally I oppose it on principle and am glad they cancelled it. I don't believe in giving people something for nothing. And it's not the cost of social programs which will bury this society, it's our massive healthcare system that will do it. So yeah..nobody wants to discuss the huge elephant in the room. They wanna throw free money at people who don't wanna put in anything but the absolute minimum effort in life. I don't think this results in a positive outcome for our society.
This guy. The rest of society has agreed to help you by giving up a portion of their labor and you're still fucking complaining. If this was a hundred years ago, you'd be left in a ditch to die. But instead you're on here complaining that it's not enough or it's hard. Fuck you, dude. If I were king of the world, I'd put people like you back in the ditch and give what money you would've received to the grateful disabled.
Unemployment is very low in both the US and Canada. We need more education and/or foreign workers because there are not enough skilled workers for almost any field.
You can create more skilled workers from local stock, you don't have to import them.
The trick, you see, is to create adequate incentives for people to become skilled workers. GIVING THEM ALL KINDS OF FREE SHIT DOES JUST THE OPPOSITE!
If you give me free money, free housing, free food, free healthcare, free child care, free cell phones, free this, free that and free the other, why the fuck should I get off my ass and work instead of hanging out at the beach all day and creating babies that you'll pay for?
Rational people hate UBI because it would be disastrous in practice. Governments get their money through taxation or printing. If everyone receives $1,000 per month then it doesn't make sense to tax everyone an additional $1,000 to pay for it, so the only alternative is for the government to print that money into existence. Printing money without a corresponding increase in GDP causes inflation, negating that $1,000 payment. Inflation caused by UBI would be even worse since production would actually decline as a result.
Oh, I see. Yes. Instead of UBI, we can just gas anyone who is not smart enough to design a robot.
We don't need to gas anyone. Just make UBI contingent on agreeing to be sterilized. Or even agreeing to have only one child. In a generation or two, the problem will resolve itself. Patience.
Another solution would be to use Crispr-Cas9 to edit out the low IQ genes. With the right tech, there is no reason that dumb people need to have dumb kids. We can fix obesity the same way.
I note that the tea party seems to have gone away now that the right team of criminals and traitors is racking up even larger deficits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
Exactly! Stupid voters, don't they know that the Liberals are far smarter than they are and know what's best for them far better than they do?
Marx was right, all that democratic "let the people decide" horseshit was a bad idea. People rarely make the right choices because they tend to vote in their own self-interest rather than in the best interests of government and the collective. Most people (and particularly Conservatives) are no smarter than the average cow and we don't let cows elect leaders, enact laws, or set national policy. Just appoint leaders and enact laws, and leave the cow's opinions (especially conservative bovine opinions) one way or the other out of it, right? /s
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.