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Browser Firm That Required Users To Confirm Their Real Life Identity Shut Down After Its Employees Were Threatened (xconomy.com)

New submitter nleskovic shares a report: When Authenticated Reality launched last year, it seemed that the company had struck gold in terms of market demand and fit. The Austin-based startup had developed a Web browser that would require users to prove they are who they say they are. Users would have to sign up for an account -- scanning their driver's license and taking a photo -- in order to download the browser, which would sit "on top" of the Internet, said Chris Ciabarra, Authenticated Reality's co-founder, in an interview last year. "Everybody knows who everybody is," he said. So, when Facebook announced this week that its site was, once again, home to inauthentic pages and accounts designed to influence the outcome of the upcoming midterm Congressional elections, I contacted Ciabarra to find out how the company was doing. But, he said Wednesday that he had shut down the startup just a month after its debut. He said people who had heard about Authenticated Reality from media reports were visiting the firm's offices in California and threatening employees. (The addresses were listed on the website.) "It was getting kind of scary," he told me. "They were thinking we were taking their freedom away because they had to sign up using a driver's license. They thought we were trying to follow them."

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  1. Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The day that I have to use my real, legal name on the Internet no matter what it is I'm doing, and no anonymity allowed, will be the LAST day I ever use the Internet, and I know I'm FAR from being alone in this.

    1. Re:Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by ole_timer · · Score: 4, Funny

      bye

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    2. Re:Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well Rick, it is complicated problem.
      A lot of sites, we really should be able to preserve our identities, at least internally so there is actual repercussion on what we say and do. There are other sites where anonymity is key. Because you get to say whatever you feel like without a personal repercussion.

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    3. Re:Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because you get to say whatever you feel like without a personal repercussion.

      Like Twitter.

      "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog."

      I think people were far more worried that the company would be selling their browsing histories, attached to their real names.

    4. Re:Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 2

      If you have ever filed any paperwork with the city, county or state government, third-party data brokers already have your legal name and contact info on the Internet.

    5. Re:Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A lot of sites, we really should be able to preserve our identities, at least internally so there is actual repercussion on what we say and do.

      Bullshit. If something on the scale of Equifax can happen without consequences, then granting access to the power to track every tin-plated webmaster with delusions of godhood while simultaneously having swiss cheese for security is to grant such a level of oppression on the internet that is beyond fathomable. Nothing about any software solution somehow magically removes the issue of bots hacking others accounts. The actual repercussions of most people on most sites is linked to each identity they create and removal of such is sufficient without affixing it to a single, unchangeable one. For the rest? That's what good moderation/reputation systems are for.

      Honestly, what you suggest only makes sense if you presume that all 4 billion plus people on the internet can/will be properly managed within any framework to such a degree that there is such a thing as an actual solution; that's just patently absurd when scaling to handle millions properly is a near insurmountable task. It's always going to be band-aid work. The sort of deterrents to include (captchas, ip bans, email verification) are sufficient to block anything but sufficiently crafted bots, and there's nothing that can stop bots either way--bots just are a lot worse when they're tied to a specific id and then suddenly you have to have regular unban services or you fuck people over for life and unban services will be gamed by bots.

      Put in the most simple terms, do you believe it is alone sufficient to require ID be presented to stop all crimes off the internet? Even if the ID were unforgeable and unusable to the wrong holder, sufficiently motivated evil people will disregard the consequences just like plenty of people--*cough*Trump*cough*--already say whatever they feel like in the real world. And just like the real world, the actual meaningful enforcement is often more social than legal and with something on the scale of a city/country/world, often the social pressures are near meaningless.

    6. Re:Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      It's still a lot better than Robert'); DROP TABLE Students;

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    7. Re:Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In most of the life you live you don't have to expose your identity, it's only if you are doing specific things - like purchasing liquor - and even then your identity data is rarely used except to prove your age.

      The "need" to prove who you are on the internet on many sites like facebook far exceeds the actual need. A lot of sites don't really require more than an email address to provide your account, and as long as you behave it works good enough.

      Here on Slashdot we have ACs and on 4chan most are anonymous. It works mostly aside from a few troublemakers like APK, racists and similar.

      Too much control and too little freedom means that development stalls.

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    8. Re:Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      The worst part is when you have to explain to your wife what "3dFurryFutanariTentacles.com" means.

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    9. Re: Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      Tables are already turning.

      I'd agree with you, but let's remember that tables should only be used to represent tabular data. For presentation, use CSS.

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    10. Re: Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dumbass you missed the memo yesterday, you need ID to buy groceries!!!

    11. Re: Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by datavirtue · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well then don't use the stupid browser.

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    12. Re:Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Informative

      See, this isn't about 'stalling development', it's about freedom of speech and freedom of expression and anonymity on the Internet serves to facilitate that, not just here in the United States, but everywhere around the world where there is the Internet. Do you really want to live in a world where someone has to be afraid to speak the truth about, say, their government on the Internet, because they have to use their real name to do it and they know they'll get arrested and incarcerated or maybe killed outright for it? Why do you think things like TOR exist? I know damned well that the anonymity the Internet provides us all with can and is abused but I'd rather put up with trolls and other abuses of of it rather than have that ability taken away. It's already been leveraged quite enough as a surveillance and data-collection platform by ISPs, we don't need people being required to use their real name on it, too, making every gods-be-damned thing you say and do there a matter of public record.

    13. Re: Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >"Well then don't use the stupid browser."

      Easy to say until:

      1) The banks suddenly require it
      2) Your DMV suddenly requires it
      3) Amazon suddenly requires it
      4) etc....

      And this is over and above the fact that the browser might not work on your platform of choice. So we go from an open web to a proprietary web, just like in the days of IE.... except worse because we somehow expect some company putting out a closed-source binary to be trustworthy.

    14. Re:Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >"In most of the life you live you don't have to expose your identity, it's only if you are doing specific things - like purchasing liquor - and even then your identity data is rarely used except to prove your age."

      And that is dead wrong too. You should NOT be required to expose your identity when purchasing liquor or such. You should only be required to PROVE YOUR AGE. And that does NOT mean a retailer should capture/store ANY information about you (name, address, license number, hair color, race, anything), just that they look at your date of birth. And, yet, retailers are, more and more, thinking it is acceptable to "scan" your license or whatnot. Unacceptable.

      I had a Target try to do that when I was buying freaking canned air (yes, AIR, you know, dusters for computers) and insisted on scanning my license. I was paying cash. I flatly refused and escalated all the way up to the store manager, who finally admitted there is no law requiring such tracking and let me purchase it anonymously, like it always should be.

      People, please stand up for your rights, before you lose them all...

    15. Re: Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

      >"Well then don't use the stupid browser."

      Easy to say until:

      1) The banks suddenly require it
      2) Your DMV suddenly requires it
      3) Amazon suddenly requires it

      My guess is that people are more worried about pornhub requiring it.

    16. Re: Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "until X company requires it"

      At that point you sue their asses for violating the anti-tying provisions of the Magnusson-Moss warranty act.

      Oh, wait, you'll just sit on your ass and gripe. Carry on.

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    17. Re: Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by mjwx · · Score: 2

      >"Well then don't use the stupid browser."

      Easy to say until:

      1) The banks suddenly require it
      2) Your DMV suddenly requires it
      3) Amazon suddenly requires it
      4) etc....

      And this is over and above the fact that the browser might not work on your platform of choice. So we go from an open web to a proprietary web, just like in the days of IE.... except worse because we somehow expect some company putting out a closed-source binary to be trustworthy.

      1. Switch to a competing bank that doesn't. They'll get the message when they're bleeding customers.
      2. Pay by post or in person (I highly doubt the DVLA would require this, existing measures are sufficient and if anyone else wants to pay my VED, I'm not going to stop them).
      3. Switch to Amazons competitors. They'll get the point when they start bleeding customers.
      4. There's always an alternative.

      Not even Microsoft in the height of it's power had the capability to force companies to support AND ONLY SUPPORT one browser. Today a some random company has no chance.

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    18. Re:Yeah, no, fuck them and that shit by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      An I would lose my anonymous stalker around slashdot. What a shame that would be.

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  2. Internet full of crazy by sinij · · Score: 2

    File this under obviously bad idea category. The Internet is full of crazy, so you don't want to tie anything to your real life identity.

    1. Re:Internet full of crazy by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      The Internet is full of crazy

      The world is full of crazy.

      Fixed that for you.

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  3. Wow. by MiniMike · · Score: 2

    Sounds like a great browser, for other people to use. I'm guessing that the people showing up and threatening employees were either early investors or creditors.

  4. Last sentence in TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But apparently it’ll be up to someone else to take on an Authenticated Reality 2.0. “I’ll even give them the code if they want,” he said.

    This got my attention.

  5. Why? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why would one need (or want) to provide proof of identity to use a browser? So the company can pass a permanent, unique ID cookie and data to *every* site you visit? So you can be tracked *everywhere*? I imagine their revenue model relied on selling your browsing data to every/anyone. So that sounds like fun.

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    1. Re:Why? by Kielistic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It was only a couple of years ago that the internet was praised for its ability to allow people to communicate outside of their authoritarian countries. Now people are demanding "America-net" because an election didn't go to plan.

    2. Re:Why? by jrumney · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why would one need (or want) to provide proof of identity to use a browser?

      So you can buy groceries online.

  6. With all due respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who forced anyone to sign up to this browser? If the people who sign up *want* to interact in an environment where there is no anonymity, that is their right.

    1. Re:With all due respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am forced to work for Google, classifying images, to access many sites including government websites. Hail recaptcha.

      At first, it's optional. If it works, it will become unavoidable.

  7. yeah, sure, threatened employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    sounds more like an excuse to not admit to having a shitty business model

  8. A free country should not fear this by mi · · Score: 2

    So long as no one is forced to use this browser to get access to anything they must access, there is nothing to see here.

    The danger lurked in this browser eventually becoming mandatory for certain sites — the government-run ones. And even then, only when the access did not need authentication before.

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  9. So much wrong with this idea in the USA by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

    What's to stop one person from signing up legitimately and then giving copies of the browser to others who did not register? Does the browser check IDs? If so, does that slow it down? We've got people here in the USA who don't want to be identified for anything, so yeah, not real surprised that some people were threatened by this and got that point across. On the other hand, I was almost thinking that all the dumb "solutions in search of a problem" ideas for companies had surely been taken by now. but I am wrong about that.

  10. If Only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    There had been some way to hide their identity....

  11. Interesting parallel here by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most of you are too young to remember, but once upon a time, everyone's real-life identity was transparent on the Internet. Everyone used their real names, most people even included their phone number and work address. If all you had was an email address (bang path), you could use it to finger them and get their info. Being able to skirt around this and do things anonymously was considered a bug which needed to be fixed.

    As I recall it, anonymity took off when AOL joined Usenet. An AOL account granted you 5 usernames, ostensibly so a family could share a single AOL account. But a lot of AOL users used the extra identities to create pseudonyms so they could post on Usenet anonymously. There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth over this among the pro-real identity folks, and a lot of heated arguments, but I don't remember there being any death threats over it. And eventually the pro-anonymity side won out.

    It's interesting that the pro-anonymity folks aren't as tolerant of opinions different than theirs. For a democracy to function, there has to be a free exchange of ideas. People with different opinions must be allowed to express and practice what they think is a better way to do things. Their idea should be evaluated by each individual who hears it, and either accepted or dismissed. An individual or a group proactively preventing other individuals from learning about a different idea by threatening the people advocating them is corrosive to democracy, and will lead to a tyranny by an apparent majority. Nobody will know if the "majority opinion" is really held by the majority, because everyone is too afraid to contradict it.

  12. Re:So I guess you have never bought anything onlin by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you think my name really is Rick Schumann? LOL if you do.
    Why should what I post here on Slashdot be part of some permanent Public Record attached to my real legal name? So you can hunt me down and threaten me because I said you were a fucktard and should STFU? What about you? Is your real name "Pablo Max"? If so what's to stop me from hunting you down and beating you within an inch of your life because you dared to disagree with me or otherwise annoyed me somehow? What's that, you say, that's just a 'handle' and not your real name? LOL, guess you like you anonymity too, don't you, 'Pablo'? LOL relax I'm not mad at you or threatening you or planning to threaten you, just making a point.

    As stated above: 'official' business, and you exercising freedom of speech/freedom of expression on the Internet are two different things entirely. Or are we living in China right now, and every gods-be-damned word we post on the Internet is being scrutinized and 'graded' and being used to leverage our behavior by affecting our actual quality of life? Do you want to live in a world like that? You can see why, if things went that way, I'd dump the Internet over it.

    Did you watch that show Seth MacFarlane created, The Orville? Did you see the episode where they found a planet where their supercharged version of social media was literally being used to decide whether people lived or died, literally crowdsourcing justice? An extreme example done to make a point, but would you want to live in a world like that, where one joking statement taken out of context literally ruins your life, because the whole world can see it? Even here in the United States, would you open up a Twitter account under your real name with real address and contact information, then proceed to openly criticize Donald Trump and his administration right to his face? You'd be lucky to live out the week and you know it. That's why the ability to have anonymity on the Internet is important.