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Korea Plans To Tax Google, Apple and Amazon (koreatimes.co.kr)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from the Korea Times: The government will move quickly to impose taxes on Google, Apple, Amazon and other global IT companies. This follows policymakers and lawmakers paying greater attention to growing criticism that the firms earn billions of dollars in sales here annually but pay no taxes. Naver, Kakao and other domestic companies have been complaining for years about "an uneven playing field," arguing their foreign rivals should pay corporate income tax on the revenue they generate in Korea. Under the law, the government is unable to tax global companies as it is not mandatory for them to disclose their sales and operating profit here. The Corporate Tax Act stipulates that global companies must pay taxes when they have fixed places of business in Korea. This law has provided global companies with an excuse to avoid taxes while they expand their businesses rapidly here as their bases are established in other countries such as the United States, China and Ireland. Ahn Jeong-sang, a policy advisor to the ruling Democratic Party of Korea, said: "Under the current law, preliminary or ancillary places of business are not regarded as global companies' offices in Korea, and this has played a role in their tax avoidance. Considering the characteristics of the digital economy, the concept of fixed places of business needs to be expanded so that the government can secure authority to impose taxes on them."

72 comments

  1. apple will soon open up in NK! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    apple will soon open up in NK!

  2. It's a republic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if Koreans want their government to protect their own technology companies from competition, they'll elect the representatives that will continue that policy.
    But if they preferred the domestic companies, wouldn't they just be using their products instead of those of these tax-avoiding foreigners?

    1. Re: It's a republic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Foreign companies might be able to offer artificially low prices due to not having to pay taxes.

    2. Re: It's a republic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's the idea behind protectionism. But tariffs are bad for everybody, even those they seek to protect.

    3. Re: It's a republic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every company pays income taxes in its own country.
      South Korea already levied a 10% VAT on all of those sales. The taxes have been paid.

    4. Re: It's a republic. by Puls4r · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except..... this isn't protectionism. This is the same thing the US government goes after domestic companies for when they try to play tax haven games with places with Ireland. Which is why they enacted the whole "pay the taxes you owe overseas then pay the remainder that you owe here".

      You clearly don't understand what's going on, so I'm trying to dumb this down to the point you'll get it. Korea is telling companies they need to pay taxes on money they make in Korea, like MANY other countries (including the US) already do....

    5. Re: It's a republic. by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC a lot of different nations have a tax rate that is not just that VAT for a product sold.
      A nations own brands have to pay tax.

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    6. Re: It's a republic. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      And countries operating in Korea do so through a subsidiary whose own country is ... take a guess ... Korea.

      VAT SchmeeAT. That's nothing to do with this issue at all. For one thing, companies collect it, they don't pay it.

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    7. Re: It's a republic. by JackieBrown · · Score: 0

      If that's the issue then you don't get it either.

      They go to Ireland and do pay taxes there. It's much lower taxes because Ireland has lower corp taxes.

    8. Re: It's a republic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Protectionism isn't bad. China does it. If you step on Chinese soil, they will either "encourage" you to sign a deal or be escorted to their prison for 20+ years. Chinese companies have to own 51% or more of any ventures on their soil. Chinese government officials, by their law, have to be on any company board.

      Picture any venture in the US having to be owned by a US company with an CIA/NSA official on every company board, dictating policy. No foreign country would ever dare to set foot in North America. However, that's how China does business.

      Protectionism works, and the US has had politicians that did nothing to guard US interests. It may be ugly now, but free trade in the US means resources leave the US and go elsewhere, so mitigating that is crucial.

    9. Re: It's a republic. by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      If that's the issue then you don't get it either.

      They go to Ireland and do pay taxes there. It's much lower taxes because Ireland has lower corp taxes.

      And?

      God handed down a rule that says that if you pay taxes in Ireland on income that you earn in another country that there shall be no other taxes upon it?

      South Korea has opted out of playing that game.

  3. finally by jsepeta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    finally Samsung exerts political power over their smartphone rival Apple

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    1. Re:finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Yes, we finally see some justice. About time those evading thieves at apple start paying taxes.

    2. Re:finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dishonest bunch of thieves running Apple... about time they pay what they owe.

    3. Re: finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with this. Transfer Pricing is hard to fight.

    4. Re: finally by MoaDweeb · · Score: 1

      Not as hard as you think.

      Here in NZ Google & Facebook are now booking contracts in the NZ tax jurisdiction rather than via Singapore as was done previously. This has been due to increasing comment by politicians, NZ businesses and consumers of Google, for example, having NZ$12M in revenue and paying NZ$365K in tax.

      Also we now pay GST (our local VAT equivalent) on purchases from Steam.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bus...

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    5. Re:finally by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Apple will pay for every one of those rounded corners. Every.. one.

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  4. Good for Korea by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    They use our roads, schools, military and police without paying a dime, it's about time they pay their dues sames as me. And SK just had a major bribery scandal so it'll be hard to just grease palms over there.

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    1. Re:Good for Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rest of the world should follow suit immediately so that these massive, tax-avoiding corporations don't have anywhere to threaten to run to. Sure, they won't like it, but how else can we mitigate the growing divide between the rich and poor?

    2. Re:Good for Korea by superwiz · · Score: 2

      Ok, I'll bite. How does Google use Korea's roads?

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    3. Re:Good for Korea by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Well, if nothing else, they have Street View in South Korea, so there's that, but they also benefit from well-maintained public streets every time a ground courier delivers a Google-branded device, like a Chromecast or smart speaker, to a customer in South Korea. I'm sure we could dig up more possibilities if we gave it some serious thought.

    4. Re:Good for Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VAT was already paid on all of those sales.

    5. Re:Good for Korea by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      VAT might not be the only tax AC...

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    6. Re:Good for Korea by superwiz · · Score: 1

      every time a ground courier delivers a Google-branded device,

      Doesn't Google pay the courier? So the courier already paid for the cost of the roads. Or the couriers delivering Google products somehow immune from gasoline taxes, sales taxes on their equipment, etc.? How are you making the leap from "Google pays someone for something" to "Google should pay more than others who pay for the same thing"?

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    7. Re:Good for Korea by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"

      No, it's worse. Undesirable speech is now "Russian trolls attacking our democracy."

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    8. Re:Good for Korea by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      The courier gets free gas from Korea for google branded products along with a free car with spikes for wheels to maximize the damage to Korean roads.

      Honestly though, this is a stupid move for Korea to do while Trump is fighting tariffs and taxes and the like. Unless they are interested in joining the north and are trying to antagonize us so that we leave?

  5. Re:Prison inmates plan to tax Trump's fat ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump will be escorted directly from the White House, to Joint Base Andrews and from there to Sherman Army Airfield near Leavenworth, KS. From there he will be transferred under heavy FBI armed guard to Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary where he will be housed permanently in isolation for collusion with a foreign government and violation of the emoluments clause. Depending on what Mueller turns up, it could even be Treason and Pence may be along for the ride.

  6. Re:Prison inmates plan to tax Trump's fat ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I call Ivanka, dibs." -Donald J Traitor

  7. At first this I thought this was for N Korea by olsmeister · · Score: 1

    And I was like WTF... that's a new tactic.

    1. Re:At first this I thought this was for N Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bold move, Kim

  8. Ha, Korea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The country that literally BANNED the iPhone from being sold for years until Samsung had a competing device at the ready.

  9. US needs to start taxing them by cmdr_klarg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No more loopholes to avoid paying. If the revenue was from money gained from sales in the US, then they need to pay US tax accordingly.

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    1. Re:US needs to start taxing them by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would Congress close tax loopholes when they're getting paid to keep them open?

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    2. Re: US needs to start taxing them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Hillary then?

      (Sure, we can execute Trump too. But it's important we execute traitors on both sides.)

    3. Re:US needs to start taxing them by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      No more loopholes to avoid paying. If the revenue was from money gained from sales in the US, then they need to pay US tax accordingly.

      Agreed, they should pay US sales tax. If a company has no physical presence in the US, why should they pay US corporate tax on top of that?

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    4. Re:US needs to start taxing them by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Because the world is our oyster /joking

  10. If you don't pay taxes, they will seize you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why not seize them in Korea?

  11. Greedy government always wants it's "cut" by WCMI92 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Always. Hell hath no fury like government denied it's cut.

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    1. Re:Greedy government always wants it's "cut" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

      FTFY. Governments do come in a close second though.

    2. Re:Greedy government always wants it's "cut" by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Hell hath no fury like government denied it's cut.

      Everybody wants a cut. Governments just happen to have to the power to get it.

    3. Re:Greedy government always wants it's "cut" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gov't needs its cut, now that the US has all but walked out on its longstanding military alliance. I predict a sharp upturn in S Korean military spending, that money's gotta come from somewhere.

      But don't worry, you can all sleep better in your beds.

    4. Re:Greedy government always wants it's "cut" by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Greedy government always wants it's "cut"

      Yeah those fucking roads should pay for themselves.

      I can't believe how greedy and selfish people are expecting everyone to contribute to. Disgusting.

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    5. Re:Greedy government always wants it's "cut" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Money must circulate in the economy, not pile up in the corners -- taxes are necessary. Basic stuff.

    6. Re:Greedy government always wants it's "cut" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like government will just divide the loot, it is taxes which benefit everyone in the country to the some extent. Corporations using holes in law are indeed greedy. Screw them.

    7. Re:Greedy government always wants it's "cut" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Always. Hell hath no fury like government denied it's cut.

      And you somehow think it's perfectly OK for a multinational company to operate a business and make money from a country's citizens, and not pay taxes to the government of that country?

      No, sorry, it's time we stopped treating corporations as some magical unicorn which we should all allow to do as they please .. fuck corporate profits ... you do business there, you make money there, you pay taxes there. Any country that isn't taxing Google and other corporations are just plain stupid.

      If they don't like it, they're free to not do business in that country. Why should a foreign government accept the notion that a corporation can do as it pleases?

      This isn't greedy, this is "if you want to do business here, you will play by our fucking rules". Google and any other company isn't entitled to do business in those countries, and they're sure as hell not entitled to do it without paying taxes.

      Boo hoo, the mean old government won't let you conduct business without paying taxes. Too goddamned fucking bad.

  12. Re:finally Trump is facing hard prison time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody say Trump. His taxes are only secret because he has nothing to hide. Trust us, comrades, it's so well placed, it's like nothing this world has ever seen. You can take that on the bank next year sometime maybe, via subpoena.

  13. Local taxes by imgod2u · · Score: 1

    What's the norm here amongst other nations? I thought Europe taxed global companies on sales via VAT. Does SK not have a sales tax?

    The US taxes foreign corporations on income they derive "regularly" from operations in the US. So that also would appear to be normal. I'm honestly shocked SK didn't do this previously.

    1. Re:Local taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, South Korea levies a 10% VAT. But this is about corporate income tax.

    2. Re:Local taxes by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Europe and south korea apply VAT to both domestic and international companies products...
      Domestic companies then pay further corporation taxes on their profits, while international companies do not.

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    3. Re:Local taxes by henni16 · · Score: 1

      Might be a bit nit-picky, but a VAT/sales tax doesn't tax companies; in fact, companies are more or less exempt from it because they can reclaim the tax on everything they can book as a cost necessary for creating their product.
      If a government increases its VAT rate, a company doesn't make any less profit from a sale (only the number of sales might drop due to customers potentially prioritizing their spending differently after literally everything will have increased in price over night).

    4. Re:Local taxes by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Let me try to take this seriously.

      So if I sell stuff to buyers in SK on my own website hosted in California, I have to pay corp income tax to the US, California and SK? Even if I ship it via UPS? Doesn't UPS already pay for the delivery?

      Ok, let's assume there is a payment processor in SK, and they do pay corp income tax on the profit they make from administering currency conversions and forwarding customer info to me and the currency (after it's been converted into dollars), it's still the case that every action I take ends at the physical border of the US. So why would I bother to even figure out what SK thinks on this topic?

      But let's talk about how Google actually makes its money. Most of it comes from advertising. If a Korean client advertises through Google and gets its payments processed in a 3rd country, what's the profit made by Google in Korea? If they don't have physical presence, who is responsible for the tax? The whole point of taxing only corps which have physical presence is that the government can show up on your door step and demand that you buy a license to operate a business, have proper books, etc. But if Korea's government has no doorstep to come to, where does their enforcement authority come from?

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    5. Re:Local taxes by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      What's the norm here amongst other nations? I thought Europe taxed global companies on sales via VAT. Does SK not have a sales tax?

      The big companies thoroughly abused that too. For example, some conutries have a low VAT rate. So, google would have a tone of "not sales" staff in (e.g. London) who "didn't sell" anything, merely prepped the client for a sale by doing, say, 100% of the work required for the sale. The sale itself would then be booked through a country with a low VAT rate.

      The US taxes foreign corporations on income they derive "regularly" from operations in the US.

      What income?

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    6. Re:Local taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So why would I bother to even figure out what SK thinks on this topic?" - because they can stop your business in the country at will. Then your actions will become completely irrelevant to them.

    7. Re:Local taxes by superwiz · · Score: 1

      How do they stop actions of a company without physical pretense in the country? Remember the whole point of the article (at least according to the summary) is that they want to impose corporate tax on digital companies. So, by definition, this means that they are looking to tax even the companies with no physical footprint.

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    8. Re: Local taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can check the "shipped from" tag to start. Unless you think mail or customs declarations fraud is legal. Then your agreement with the shipping company, where you indemnified them, makes your contract fraud crime civilly punishable in the US.

      Guess what? I buy stuff from the US when over seas and from overseas when in the US. I pay declared customs value import taxes on physical goods. I even report fraudulent sellers who under declare those values if I can understand the language in question enough to do so. Income taxes apply if you have a physical presence/want to do business in a country. If I worked in Korea even if that work is just as a sales clerk, I'd owe income taxes there too.

      We can tell blacks who get shot by cops to not be a criminal. Why shouldn't it work for you to pay your taxes?

      Note there is nothing partisan in my statements, they apply equally to both sides of the aisle, but trolls feel free to dream up imagined insults to justify your post quotas.

    9. Re: Local taxes by superwiz · · Score: 1

      You are talking about tariff. I don't think anyone argued that SK can't impose tariffs. The question was how could they impose corporate tax on corporations without which don't have physical footprints.

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  14. Cue by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    Cue Apple et al opening new factories in Singapore, Romania and some African nations.

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  15. I have a better idea: Lets really end slavery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Governments are not a good thing. Governments are evil. You can try and argue "but they do good stuff", but there is unlikely anything that a government can do via taxes that private parties can't voluntarily do without the use of violence and theft. We should not be prisoners nor slaves of government. Governments have done more to undermine the poor's ability to enrich themselves by passing burdensome regulations and taxes that keep less educated people from making a living on there own terms or performing a task they are otherwise capable of if not for burdensome costly regulations that require thrust a need to have a high level of educational attainment and significant amounts of cash/profit to pay other highly educated parties to perform specialized functions. Like accountants, lawyers, and so on. I should not have to pay a lawyer and and accountant to cut hair! I mean seriously. Nor should I have to get a license to do so. Most of the arguments over "safety" are irrational and flawed. There are plenty of places where no such licenses are required and the risk to the population is minimal to non-existent.

    1. Re:I have a better idea: Lets really end slavery by MoaDweeb · · Score: 1

      Somalia requires intellectual giants like you as citizens/ inhabitants.

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    2. Re:I have a better idea: Lets really end slavery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This level of stupidity should be a criminal offense.

  16. Korea Plans To Tax Who, Exactly? by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

    Korea Plans To Tax Google, Apple and Amazon

    No, sorry. That is incorrect.

    Korea plans on taxing Koreans *via* Google, Apple, and Amazon.

    They will simply up their prices to Koreans by the amount of the tax plus enough to cover their administrative costs. Relatively few Koreans who buy or use those corporations' products and/or services now will stop buying if the prices go up, unless prices double or triple. They'll simply have less to spend domestically. Koreans who buy iPhones now will still buy iPhones even if the price goes up as it's a status thing. Apple may even increase sales as an iPhone becomes even more seen as a "luxury/top-end" item in Korea.

    It will hurt Korean consumers far more than those three mega-corps. It would barely be even the impact of an accounting rounding error on the scales in which their ledgers operate.

    Strat

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    1. Re:Korea Plans To Tax Who, Exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats why corportaions should be left alone to do whatever they please and pay 0 taxes. /s

      Sucks to be a hostage, but the police are not the bad guys here.

    2. Re:Korea Plans To Tax Who, Exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, sorry. That is incorrect.

      Korea plans on taxing Google, Apple, and Amazon.

      These companies are living on corporate welfare compared to companies resident in Korea. With such an enormous footprint on the economy in the country it's pure subsidy to allow these companies to import their services into the country.

      Of course their prices will be higher, but the prices of everything else in Korea will be lower as there will be a FREE MARKET, unlike a market where a few megacorporations LIVE ON WELFARE paid for by the other companies in the country.

    3. Re:Korea Plans To Tax Who, Exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will pay the same taxes as local companies. Which means they wouldn't have unfair advantage they had for many years. Current situation is not good for Korea in any way, it is pure loss.

    4. Re:Korea Plans To Tax Who, Exactly? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Just curious, for google and other IT companies, what US product is cheaper for Koreans than Korean made product?

  17. The loophole is self-inflicted by Solandri · · Score: 2
    Because for some reason people make a distinction between a corporate tax and a sales tax. What is the difference to you between:
    • you buy something from a company that costs $100. The company keeps $80, and sends $20 to the government as corporate taxes.
    • you buy something from a company that costs $80. The company collects an additional $20 as sales tax, making the final price you pay $100.

    If you think about it, they're the same thing. You pay $100, the company gets to keep $80, the government gets $20.

    Once you realize that, you realize the entire problem of multi-national corporations dodging taxes is self-inflicted. They can dodge taxes because they have no physical body and thus can exist simultaneously in multiple tax jurisdictions. This allows them to shift "their" money from one jurisdiction to another in a manner which benefits them by allowing them to avoid corporate taxes. So the loophole only exists because we insist on taxing companies.

    People, unlike companies, have a physical body and can thus only exist in one tax jurisdiction at a time, meaning they can't dodge taxes this way. So closing the loophole is easy - just set the corporate tax rate to zero and implement it as sales taxes. Once you get over the "I don't want to pay for it, the company should pay for it" misconception (the company pays for it by charging you a higher price, so you're still paying for it), this is a simple problem to solve.

    1. Re:The loophole is self-inflicted by stooo · · Score: 1

      The problem is, a lot of goods are today consumed by companies, not individuals.
      And these aren't taxed by the VAT system.
      Also, VAT rates differ widely by country, and which country's tax apply.

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  18. Corporations don't pay taxes ! by stooo · · Score: 1

    Yep.
    Now if all the corporations could pay their shares of taxes globally, it would help.

    Apple,
    Siemens,
    Ford,
    Samsung,
    etcetcetc...

    They pay nearly zero taxes in many many countries by using a lot of tax loopholes and by artificially booking the profits in the countries where they aren't taxed, which is totally wrong.

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  19. Civil war by stooo · · Score: 1

    Starting a civil war is probably not the best way to resolve tax issues.

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