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Original Star Wars Movies May Not Launch With Disney's Streaming Service Until 2024 (bloomberg.com)

Disney is reportedly having trouble buying back TV rights to "Star Wars" movies from AT&T's Turner Broadcasting so that it can offer them on a new streaming video service it is working on. Bloomberg reports: Disney made a preliminary inquiry about regaining the rights, but met resistance. Turner has the rights to show the films on its cable networks, which include TNT and TBS, and online until 2024. The programmer would want financial considerations and programming to replace the lost films. Disney sold certain rights to Turner in 2016, before it completed plans for the streaming service.

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  1. /Oblg. First World Problems. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Interesting

    WHEN can I buy the ORIGINAL theatrical release on Blu-Ray?

    1. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by mysidia · · Score: 1

      WHEN can I buy the ORIGINAL theatrical release on Blu-Ray?

      When you shelve your BluRay player and get a LaserDisc player instead.?

    2. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2
    3. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy ? Lol what are you 2 years old ?
      Use the internet to its full potential.

    4. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's what I did years ago, but OP was talking about "buying" as in giving money to Disney.

    5. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      as in giving money to Disney.

      Maybe you shouldn't be doing that. At least not if you have a conscience.

    6. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's what I did years ago, but OP was talking about "buying" as in giving money to Disney.

      But why, though? Just like with DRM; piracy gives you a better product. One would think companies would learn that they can produce a better product with less hassle for a reasonable price. ($20 for a Blu-Ray, no strings attached? Sold!)

      They could make things available for streaming for a reasonable price. Want to stream everything? Pay for a dozen services for $30 a month.

      Want to watch your favorite sports team? No. Fuck you. You can pay full price for cable to maybe occasionally get a game on streaming. The NHL doesn't even want your money. I can assume streaming for other leagues is just as stupid.

      Could they provide services for prices people are willing to pay? Sure. But they are just too... damn... greedy. They always will be, there is no point in fighting it.

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    7. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As much as I love the fan edits such as this one, and The Phantom Edit, legally one can't buy it due to corporate greed. :-/

      As a fan edit, the cut cannot be legally bought or sold, and treads a line between fair use and copyright infringement

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    8. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Someday when you grow up you'll realize that (some) fans like to financially support creators. There is even a concept of Pay What You Want, shocking I know! /sarcasm

      If YOU want to share, er pirate it, go ahead. But I want a legal option where I don't have to waste my time on bullshit copyright greed.

    9. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy a copy of the blurays, download the fanedit. Job done. You have satisfied your need to support the content creators and you have a version that is worth watching.

    10. Re: /Oblg. First World Problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got it on VHS. Under lock and key.

    11. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      You will never be able to buy it legally.

      You got a code and you live by it.

      And I respect your conviction tho I don't share it (I have the despecialized editions. I also own the movies on DVD so I felt I had a right to see the actual original movies instead of modified versions from what I saw in the theaters).

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    12. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Well that's generally good, but we're talking about Disney, a company who bribed Congress into passing term extensions that abuse the idea of copyright. Despite having pilfered a large part of the content that the company is built on from the public domain, they lobbied for massive term extensions in a time where the cost of distribution was plummeting and the speed and reach exploding, all in order to assure nothing of theirs ever fell into the public domain. Yet you dare to call downloading something you can't even obtain legally greed? Get over yourself.

      If there was ever a company not deserving of having its copyrights respected, Disney is it.

    13. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are the creators and do they get any money from new re-re-(xN)-releases?

    14. Re: /Oblg. First World Problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too (and Solo shoots first in my copy).

    15. Re:/Oblg. First World Problems. by fido_dogstoyevsky · · Score: 1

      Someday when you grow up you'll realize that (some) fans like to financially support creators...

      Disney*? Creator of Star Wars?? Or anything???

      *"Create" isn't the same as "steal** from the public domain"

      **Using something from the public domain isn't stealing, but locking it up so it can't be used any more is.

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    16. Re: /Oblg. First World Problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will Disney Streaming be on Bittorrent? Just wonderin...cause thats how I watch TV

  2. Good. by forkfail · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seeing how they've tried to run the franchise into the ground, especially with the Last Jedi, have to say that the longer those rights are kept out of their hands, the better.

    I can easily imagine Han not shooting first being made trivial by Disney edits...

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    1. Re:Good. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1, Troll

      Q. How do you wreck SW?

      A. Add a J.

      *ba dum tss*

    2. Re:Good. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 0

      Seeing how they've tried to run the franchise into the ground, especially with the Last Jedi, have to say that the longer those rights are kept out of their hands, the better.

      I can easily imagine Han not shooting first being made trivial by Disney edits...

      I can see them dedicating an entire spin off based around whether he shot first or not.

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    3. Re:Good. by Desler · · Score: 0

      JarJar Binks? Jake Lloyd?

    4. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or two J's. As in Abrams.

    5. Re:Good. by DogDude · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought Last Jedi was one of the best of the entire series. I hope they keep making more movies!

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    6. Re:Good. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 0

      Jar Jar Abrams. :-)

      /ducks

    7. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's right up there with the Ghostbusters reboot for sure DogDude.

    8. Re:Good. by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1, Interesting

      SWTLJ was yawn inspiring (the only reason I would watch it again would be to see Chewy fight with the birds) but it wasn't nearly as bad as SOLO. There was a good story in there but the SJW crap they shoehorned in was just too much. When I go see a feel good movie I expect to feel good watching it. There were parts of SOLO that made me cringe in my seat.

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    9. Re:Good. by JackieBrown · · Score: 0

      Or worse, create a mirror-verse to try to play off that both versions are correct

    10. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're so precious!

    11. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're probably thinking, 'Shit! If only we hadn't made copyright terms weren't so long!"

  3. It showa how far ahead Disney plans... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    ... Disney sold certain rights to Turner in 2016, before it completed plans for the streaming service. ...

    In 2016, didn't Disney have any sort of streaming strategy? It certainly appears that they were asleep at the wheel.

    1. Re:It showa how far ahead Disney plans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't have 20th Century Fox's back catalog of movies. It would have been a niche streaming site without the deal with Fox. They rightly figured they could make more licensing them all out to likes of Tuner and Netflix.

    2. Re:It showa how far ahead Disney plans... by forkfail · · Score: 2

      They didn't have 20th Century Fox's back catalog of movies.

      They could always stream Steamboat Willie on a loop, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

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    3. Re:It showa how far ahead Disney plans... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Judging by their content deals, they originally planned to acquire Netflix but then Netflix went solo on many projects to protect itself from the film cartel and Disney lost its advantage and went its own way as Netflix garnered an unreasonable market cap.

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    4. Re:It showa how far ahead Disney plans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am frustrated that there are so many separate streaming services, none of which have most of what I want to watch.

      And to top it all off, they are all expensive. If they were like three bucks a month or something maybe they would be worth it, since each has maybe 1/5 of what I want to watch.

      But no, they start at 15 a month and go up from there, to give me access to a huge heaping mass of stuff I will never want to watch, and a trickle of what I do.

      Netflix by DVD is still the best deal in town, from a content variety perspective, but even it has seen significant reduction in content as they have been ditching the older and less popular stuff.

      It is no wonder that file sharing is still such a popular option.

    5. Re:It showa how far ahead Disney plans... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ...They didn't have 20th Century Fox's back catalog of movies. It would have been a niche streaming site without the deal with Fox. ...

      I asked about a strategy, not a tactic. If Disney had a streaming strategy, they would not have given away rights in 2016 that they need in 2018. But it appears that they did not have a strategy, or even a plan that looked more than two years down the road. Disney management certainly appeared to be asleep at the wheel and streaming caught them unaware and unprepared.

    6. Re: It showa how far ahead Disney plans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering I've been using their streaming service since 2016... Yeah, I'm familiar with their streaming strategy.

      People act like "Disney streaming service" means "flat rate access to everything". They are wrong.

      Disney has had a streaming service outside of America for years. It has, when compared to the size of their full catalog, almost nothing. And not due to being unaware of the desire for other content, or a desire to show only family-friendly content- they have *trailers* for Marvel and Star Wars movies, but not the movies themselves, for example. Same goes for many other movies and shows -it's mostly a teaser / advisement for things you may or may not be able to buy elsewhere.

      Which isn't to say they don't have a lot of movies and shows - just that when people say "Disney bought Fox! Now their streaming service will have Deadpool!" That really doesn't follow.

  4. Holiday Special by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one am looking forward to having "The Holiday Special" air on TV again.

    1. Re: Holiday Special by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      The Jefferson Starship music video in the Christmas Special rocks!

  5. I don't want streaming or TV by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    I want unedited bluerays (e.g. no special edition) with all the clean ups. Those DVD based LD rips are nice, but I want the quality of the special editions w/o the special edition edits and without having to pirate to get it.

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    1. Re:I don't want streaming or TV by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I don't know if the "despecialized edition" torrents still have as close to an official blessing as possible - they still haven't been sued or C&Ded out of existence.

  6. Nelson Muntz says by sconeu · · Score: 1

    HA HA!!!

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  7. Have a conspiracy theory by Stormwatch · · Score: 2

    Disney just don't want people watching the original trilogy, because they will see the new ones are total bantha poo in comparison!

  8. How original? by cavis · · Score: 1

    If it's the original theatrical release as I saw it as a 6-year-old way back in 1977, then I'm stoked. If it's one of the later re-releases after George Lucas mucked around with the story (Han shot first!) and effects, then Turner Broadcasting can put them on a shelf and leave them there.

  9. why now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But we've already seen them...

  10. Stupid situation we're in by skam240 · · Score: 1

    It's the not wanting to pirate it that screws you here :)

    It's really a stupid situation we're in that the only way for any of us to see good quality versions of movies that very few would debate are cultural icons is to pirate them. Given how popular Star Wars is right now Disney could make bundles of money just by going through the exact same efforts those volunteers who created the HD, non special edition pirate copies did.

    Speaking of which, if you haven't watched the non special edition Harmy's release ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ) and you're an original trilogy fan you're really missing out. It's gorgeous.

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  11. It's okay I've had the digital versions for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you want me to say? Someone took the originals and turned them into digital. I would happily have paid upwards of $100 for them but they never game. So instead of waiting for something so easy to distribute... I turned to something I can count on.

  12. Ted Turner Laughing In His Grave! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is funny. Disney paid how much now? ahaha!

  13. It's been 28 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    aren't they in the public domain?

    1. Re:It's been 28 years... by fido_dogstoyevsky · · Score: 1

      aren't they in the public domain?

      No - they were made AFTER Steamboat Willy, and Disney will keep buying legislation to make sure Mickey Mouse NEVER enters the public domain.

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  14. Pray by kackle · · Score: 1

    Will someone post Vader's 'pray I don't alter the deal further' quote? I'm too lazy to type...

    1. Re:Pray by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 1

      I find your lack of initiative distrubing.

  15. Never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never getting Disney streaming.

    Not too worried, as they have been ruining everything anyway.

  16. Suck it. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Seriously you shat in the bed, clean it up yourself Disney. Stop trying to screw everyone. I hope your $4bn investment burns.

  17. How much money does Disney have to waste/spend? by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    How long will Disney's investors tolerate Disney's ongoing mismanagement? Disney came to the Internet late (like Microsoft did with the web), Disney reportedly paid George Lucas a lot of money for a franchise that has been described as "creatively bankrupt since 1983" (which I'd say is about right), and Disney mistreats the public via policy changes (the last copyright term extension was chiefly a power grab and widely known to have been driven by Disney). Now Disney is letting Turner come to them and ask "What's this renegotiation over rights worth to you?" based on a renegotiation for rights Turner doesn't have to accept at all?

    1. Re:How much money does Disney have to waste/spend? by Xenx · · Score: 1

      From what I see about the current generation of Star Wars movies is that they're good, not great. They're still worth loads of money. There is so much more they COULD be doing with it, but it would require them to break away from the existing movie storyline. Think along the lines of the expanded universe books. Not as in make movies about them, but use that mentality with the Star Wars movie universe.

  18. Which original star wars? Despecialized? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Orginal (has different crawler than we saw in theaters)
    Despecialized (this is the gold standard.)
    The "magenta" version with terrible color balance?
    The "special" edition with the dinosaurs?
    The version where Han shoots first? Or where the odd pasted on gredo hand shoots first? (I think there was another version that looked better after that one too).

    etc. etc .

    For me, the only one I care about is the despecialized original where han shoots first.

    By the way: If you haven't-- you *MUST* see "Obiwan has PTSD". It is an incredible video. If the second trilogy had actually been made second, this is how the scene where Obiwan meets Luke should have been filmed and edited.

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  19. "Original"? Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somehow I strongly suspect that the "original" movies referred to in the headline simply means Episodes 4-6, and *not* the "original" versions of the movies as the die-hard fans define them.

    There's no way I'm wrong on this. Mark my words.

  20. VOD is at odds with "The Vault" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    VOD is at odds with "The Vault". Disney's VOD offering will be shit because they don't "get" it.

  21. Also what professional actors look like. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    People often forget that the make and break performances were Guiness and Hamill's interactions with the robots early on in the movie, Han's suave charm and disregard for other's lives in Mos Eisley, before showing himself to just be a desperate man in a bad situation recognizing the same in those he unwittingly helped in his quest for money, leading to him, without the force, helping to take out the greatest starfighter pilot then in the galaxy (Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker) when he was too focused on a rookie pilot making his second pass at a failed trench run.

    Along with their perfomances were dozens of other actors of various skill levels who added character and professionalism that was considered rare in the pop sci-fi culture of the day, plus special effects that were revolutionary for their era and far cheaper than many alternatives being used at the time. Star Wars helped make ILM/Skywalker Sound, and ILM and Skywalker helped shape the industry for at least 2 decades to come.

    Just like with Sierra and its early employees however, its leadership proved to have no staying power and in the end made inept decisions that eventually lead to them choosing a fat cash payout and selling their loyal employees up the river before they took a nice cushy retirement, over becoming a lasting private legacy in the industry.

  22. Headline by Thad+Boyd · · Score: 1

    How can they launch with Disney's streaming service in 2024 if the streaming service is launching in 2019?

  23. Disney, Star Wars reaches critical financial mass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine Jar Jar Binks stamping on a human face—forever.

  24. Ob by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
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  25. Who cares... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good grief the franchise is used everywhere until I am sick of seeing SW crap.

  26. That's OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's OK. I have them on VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray and MP4.