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In America's Big Tech Cities, More People Are Now Living In Their Vehicles (cbsnews.com)

An anonymous reader quotes CBS MoneyWatch: The number of people residing in campers and other vehicles surged 46 percent over the past year, a recent homeless census in Seattle's King County, Washington found. The problem is "exploding" in cities with expensive housing markets, including Los Angeles, Portland and San Francisco, according to Governing magazine. The problem of vehicle residency is national in scope, although its impact may be more "acutely felt in urban areas where space is more limited," said Sara Rankin, an assistant professor law at Seattle University and the director of Homeless Rights Advocacy Project, in an email to CBS MoneyWatch.
"Amazon, Microsoft and other big tech companies are in the Seattle area," notes Zero Hedge, adding "It is a region that is supposedly 'prospering', and yet this is going on."

Back in Silicon Valley, one Google employee slept in a truck in Google's parking lot for two years -- allowing him to save at least $48,000 that he would've paid in rent -- though many vehicle-dwellers apparently have non-technical jobs as plumbers, janitors, and even teachers. "A fair number of the 'vehicular homeless' in Silicon Valley are employed but are unable to find affordable housing," reports CBS, citing an AP article last November about "Silicon Valley's car people".

"Lines of RVs can be found near the headquarters of tech heavyweights such as Apple, Google and Hewlett-Packard."

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  1. Re:Seize Apple's trillion dollars for housing by psmoot · · Score: 4, Informative

    For all Apple's influence in Cupertino, I doubt they could get the city council to approve an apartment complex that size. The NYMBYism out here is pretty intense.

    We seem to be building 5-story apartments and condos all over the place these days. I've watched three, or maybe four, high-rise apartments get built in downtown San Jose in the last few years. That's not enough but it's more housing than I've seen be built in years. The question on everyone's lips is traffic. The roads already seem crowded, will this make it worse? I wonder if the new homes will be filled with people who already work here. If so, this will just shorten their commute and traffic will get better. If this lets companies hire more workers, it's going to make traffic much worse.

  2. Timely article for me by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm going to go look at a bus tomorrow. It's cheaper than we paid for a high-top Sprinter and has half the miles. It's only partly about the cheap housing, and partly about fires. If you have to bug out from a fire, it's a lot nicer if you can take your whole house with you. The house we lived in for the last eleven years just burned down (two months after we moved out!) in a small fire in Lake County, CA, which even people living under rocks know is currently massively ablaze. We live in a redwood forest clearing in Albion at the moment...

    The plan is to title it as an RV, at which point you don't need any special driver's license to operate it as long as it's under 40' in overall length, bumper to bumper, regardless of whether it's got air brakes or what the GVWR is. RV insurance is also incredibly cheap, while commercial vehicle insurance is credibly expensive.

    If you give up fixed addresses, you can essentially make yourself a resident of another state, which has all kinds of advantages. South Dakota is one very popular option, because they have lax requirements for housecar registration, a low tax rate, and cheap registration fees. And you never even have to go there at all in order to accomplish your registration, get mail forwarding, etc. This is only my backup plan, though. I'm in contact with a registration service which claims it can accomplish the title conversion in 2-3 days.

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    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    1. Re:Timely article for me by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'd love to get an RV. As a consultant I can spend long stretches on the road. But they are "holy fuck are you kidding" expensive in most cases. Who the hell is paying $400,000+ for these things?!

      Retirees with way too much money and no desire to do their own conversion. But you can get a 40' (or smaller) bus with less than 200,000 miles for less than $10,000, and you can plausibly convert it for less than $10,000 again. The requirements are minimal (Depending on state, you need approximately a permanently-affixed toilet which is either composting or attached to a black water tank, a sink with fresh and grey water tanks, a cooker, something to sleep on, and not too many seats) and buses are built way better than RVs. School buses in particular are built with safety in mind for obvious reasons; since the 1990s or so, somewhere between most and all of them have integral roll cages built into the bodies. This is not exactly uncommon in transit buses, either.

      I've been seeing credible school buses recently taken out of service (meaning recently maintained) sell for around $3000, some with decent tires on them. I've been seeing good-looking transit buses sell for around $10,000. School buses are lighter and slightly cheaper to run; transit buses are built heavier and tend to have at least front air suspension, for a better ride. The air suspension can also be adapted for use leveling the coach. Some of the school buses and many if not most of the transit buses have wheelchair lifts, which are of interest both to the disabled and to people who want help lifting heavy stuff into their bus.

      I have a lot more to say about conversion, choosing the right bus etc. but I'm saving it for a blog post, and I am working on a business plan that involves bus conversions but I am not at all planning to share it until I either give up on it or actually move forward on it. The only other thing I'll say now is that if you see rust, run away. There are enough buses to where you don't have to mess with that. Arizona has signaled their plan to spend their Volkswagen settlement money on new, more efficient school buses, so there will soon be absolutely piles of surplus vehicles on the market.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re: Timely article for me by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's much much cheaper to get a travel trailer and a truck. Not only that, they are separable fr the vehicle, so if your truck needs repairs, you don't need to bring the whole house to the repair shop. You still have a place to live while the thing is being repaired.

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  3. tired of them by supernova87a · · Score: 4, Informative

    These problems are of these cities' own making. And continued by their inaction.

    They need to stop with bullshit around the edges like rent control, legislating where people go to lunch, living wage, etc, and attack the core of the problem which is that people want to live there and the housing stock needs to double.

    All these city councils are so preoccupied with "oh, the people living here can't be forced out" or "oh, we don't want to change the neighborhood", etc. Sorry, but you don't get to control everything and act as if you can have some kind of imaginary paradise with high housing prices, affordable costs, good wages, and low density. When you have people coming for the jobs, you have to give somewhere (unless you restrict people moving here which we don't in this country).

    I for one side with the people who don't get to vote on these policies, who are trying to start their lives in a new place, and are the future to be invested in. Not the people who are retired, rich, and complacent in the houses they bought 30 years ago because they got lucky on the draw.

  4. Re:Seize Apple's trillion dollars for housing by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

    The housing problem is 100% due to NIMBYism. People that are already here can vote, and benefit from rising housing values. People that don't live here, but want to, don't get a vote. So the politicians represent the wishes of the voters and block new housing construction.

    The "traffic problems" is a totally backwards excuse. As people are forced further and further out into the exburbs, their commutes become longer and traffic gets worse. At rush hour, figure two hours from Gilroy to Mountain View. More high-rise housing in the core of Silicon Valley would be a great relief to traffic congestion.

    Some economic analyses have concluded that "progressive" restrictions on growth and housing contribute to inequality as much as regressive conservative tax cuts. The rich see their million dollar houses soar in value, while the poor are squeezed out of economic opportunities.

  5. Re:subsidized housing ? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

    If the companies would put up buildings ...

    Many Silicon Valley companies would LOVE to be able to build housing for their employees. Probability of them getting permits to do so: 0%.

  6. Re:subsidized housing ? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    I would love to see a building that had apartments, a supermarket, restaurants, a medical facility and maybe a day care/school all combined. No doubt the corps would turn this kind of company district into a for profit trap, but the idea seems solid up front.

    It's even got a name, coined by architect Paolo Soleri: Arcology . His project Arcosanti broke ground in 1970, and construction continues today. It is not very financially successful, but it doesn't have any mainstream business, either. Arcologies have nonetheless remained a science-fiction trope, as they continue to be seen as a plausible projection of existing trends. Corporations in certain industries regularly build housing for employees, in locations where no such housing exists; less regularly, they build housing where it is simply scarce. However, in the latter case business interests tend to not be located in residential areas, and building the housing separately requires no rezoning — which keeps costs down.

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    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  7. Re: subsidized housing ? by hoofie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Company Towns still exist in Western Australia especially in the Iron Ore mining region of the Pilbara.
    It makes financial sense for companies like Rio Tinto to build housing etc. as the remoteness means it is very, very expensive to fly workers in and out and house them onsite.

  8. Re: Seize Apple's trillion dollars for housing by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

    The dumbest thing they do is prevent building housing, but allow building office space. The obious result is that there are lots of people commuting in with now place to live. It's not hard to estimate the number of new houses that you will need when you build an office.

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