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'Why Liberal Arts and the Humanities Are as Important as Engineering' (wadhwa.com)

Engineering professor Vivek Wadha writes: A technological shift is in progress that will change the rules of innovation. A broad range of technologies, such as computing, artificial intelligence, digital medicine, robotics and synthetic biology, are advancing exponentially and converging, making amazing things possible. With the convergence of medicine, artificial intelligence and sensors, we can create digital doctors that monitor our health and help us prevent disease; with the advances in genomics and gene editing, we have the ability to create plants that are drought resistant and that feed the planet; with robots powered by artificial intelligence, we can build digital companions for the elderly. Nanomaterial advances are enabling a new generation of solar and storage technologies that will make energy affordable and available to all.

Creating solutions such as these requires a knowledge of fields such as biology, education, health sciences and human behavior. Tackling today's biggest social and technological challenges requires the ability to think critically about their human context, which is something that humanities graduates happen to be best trained to do. An engineering degree is very valuable, but the sense of empathy that comes from music, arts, literature and psychology provides a big advantage in design. A history major who has studied the Enlightenment or the rise and fall of the Roman Empire gains an insight into the human elements of technology and the importance of its usability. A psychologist is more likely to know how to motivate people and to understand what users want than is an engineer who has only worked in the technology trenches. A musician or artist is king in a world in which you can 3D-print anything that you can imagine.

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  1. Critical thinking by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article, presumably written by a liberal arts major, extols the importance of "critical thinking", yet is just a string of conjectures based on no evidence, displaying a clear lack of critical thinking.

    1. Re: Critical thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Found the liberal arts major!

    2. Re:Critical thinking by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The article, presumably written by a liberal arts major

      The author is an Engineering professor. He is a Distinguished Fellow at Harvard Law School and Carnegie Mellon University’s College of Engineering. He has taught at Duke, Stanford and Emory.

      See, this is why liberal arts and the humanities are so important. If you'd studied them, you might have thought to check the motherfucking article before spouting off about how this guy is just some liberal arts loser.

      extols the importance of "critical thinking", yet is just a string of conjectures based on no evidence, displaying a clear lack of critical thinking.

      I would think that someone who jumped straight to, "he studied macrame" without even glancing at the article might not want to throw any stones about "critical thinking".

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    3. Re:Critical thinking by SirAstral · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The entire problem with liberal arts and the humanities is that they are classes to begin with. You do not need to pay a college tuition to discuss humans and their problems or potential solutions. It only creates a pseudo intellectualism, where a group of people sit around massaging their minds to the point they no longer able to effectively communicate with rest of the humans they think they are helping enlighten.

    4. Re:Critical thinking by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And he's not wrong, though the examples don't really work for me. Why do I think liberal arts are important for CS majors? Because software has to be used by people who don't write software. Musicians need software for creating music. Artists need software for creating art. Writers need software for writing. Programmers who also understand those secondary fields are likely to be better at creating such software than programmers who don't.

      And the same is true for other, non-liberal-arts fields; pretty much every science field has some sort of software for collecting data, visualizing data, simulating complex interactions like protein folding, etc. (And arguably, data visualization is an art unto itself, upon which all sciences depend to some degree.)

      I think every computer programmer should have at least a minor in a non-tech field, if not a second major, whether in a liberal arts field or a science or something else entirely, if only because of the opportunities for specialization that such outside interests offer. Also, if computers get to the point where software writes itself, at least they'll have something to fall back on. :-D

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    5. Re:Critical thinking by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do realize that where they have taught, what certifications or accreditation they have, or what their ideas are, does not preclude them from saying stupid things.

      Yes, but that's not really pertinent to the discussion, now is it? Shanghai Bill said, "the author's probably some liberal arts major". I presented evidence that the author was in fact, a distinguished faculty member at some of the top engineering schools. That's it. You want to change the topic at hand, you are welcome to do so, but it might be more appropriate to start a new thread. Which is something you would have learned in a freshman composition course in a motherfucking liberal arts program

      do you know for a fact that this poster is not as known as the other?

      Absolutely. I invite you to examine the data for yourself. ShanghaiBill's been posting here for a good long time. His comment history is publicly available. I can say with a 98% confidence interval that if ShanghaiBill is known for anything, it's something that caused him to spend 90 days in a country jail somewhere in the Florida panhandle.

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    6. Re:Critical thinking by SirAstral · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is not even a remotely reasonable comparison.

      Physics is the study of phenomena associated with actual physical interactions and have verifiable facts and information.

      Humanity still escapes any significant scientific classification and to this date the actual location, mechanism, or source of "consciousness" is unknown. I have the capacity to think about things that concern my person and other persons.

      However, there is a wealth of information that makes it clear that gravity is going to affect me with a well defined and exhaustively studied precision. Which is why it is an "engineering" subject.

      Humanity, well what works for me, does not work for others, they have their own ideas, preferences, likes, dislikes... whatever and why it is not an "engineering" subject.

      The only goal is to elevate the important of a certain group of people over another group. This is not a reasonable or even a wise academic pursuit. It just creates division and more misunderstanding... rather than inclusion and understanding.

    7. Re:Critical thinking by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Humanity still escapes any significant scientific classification and to this date the actual location, mechanism, or source of "consciousness" is unknown

      OK, I can see where you're confused. You don't understand what the study of "Humanities" means. It's not about the study of consciousness or what forms preferences. It is a comprehensive approach to understanding how things work via the study of how people describe their universe and their experience. Philosophy, Linguistics, Languages, History, Archaeology, even many areas of Mathematics, are all part of Humanities programs, along with Literature, Art, Music, the Historical Foundations of Science. Chances are, you learned about the scientific method from a class in the Humanities program. Logic is taught in Humanities.

      Can you think of any fields in technology where you might find value in the study of Linguistics? How about Logic?

      This is not a reasonable or even a wise academic pursuit.

      Note to the younger Slashdotters out there: When someone proudly proclaims their ignorance, believe them. Being proud of not knowing, naming entire fields that have always been part of a classical education as "not worth studying" is the hallmark of someone for whom ignorance is a worthy goal.

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    8. Re:Critical thinking by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't need to pay tuition and attend classes to study physics or electronics either. Unless you don't want to have to start from scratch. If you sit down and discuss human problems and solutions for a bit, I am sure you can come up with useful insights... that other thinkers already came up with a few millennia ago. Studying philosophy, history, psychology and anthropology is surely going to be of help when you set out to deal with this stuff.

      However I agree that some of these fields, at least at certain institutions, have devolved into an unpleasant and altogether useless echo chamber. Sociology has to be one of the worst offenders: if teachers and student in an academic faculty are unwilling to discuss certain problems or opinions with you, and instead tell you that you're not allowed to voice or even have those opinions, then you know it's time to get out of there and leave them to their own devices. The only problem is that their world view is leaking into society at large, like some sort of hilarious but toxic religion.

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    9. Re:Critical thinking by hazardPPP · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because I'm such an nerd I visited classes from other departments in my free time and also watched lectures online. I happen to know that those from the humanities learn about the scientific method. How to collect data and how important it is to disprove the null hypothesis if you process your statistical data. They learn to be aware of biases that THEY as the observer and processor of the data can bring into it and so forth.

      They learn about it, but not enough. Have you seen things that pass for "scientific research" in most social sciences these days?

      People who use statistics in social sciences (including those that completely depend on it for their work) tend to learn about statistics and math in a very shallow way. There are exceptions of course, but most of these people were not very good at math in school and/or do not like math very much. So they learn things very superficially, here's a stats software package (e.g. SPSS), we do this test in this situation, that test in that situation, enter your data, click click, what's the p-value? Make a conclusion. A lot of the conclusions are just plain garbage. Reproducibility? Errr, right...

      Then there is the completely unrelated issue that a lot of "humanities" today is just plain lightly dressed-up political activism (e.g. gender studies). Then this activism spreads to other fields which should be about objective (as much as possible) study, such as history and classics. That's a whole other topic.

      Finally, there is the problem that a lot of liberal arts & humanities have closed onto themselves, and became arcane self-referential disciplines without a real or obvious connection to the outside world. Sure, the same happens in some fields of natural sciences, but people generally have an easier idea of how natural science and engineering affect the "real world". When it comes to post-modern literary criticism - not so much.

      The bad wrap the liberal arts & humanities get is mostly the liberal arts' & humanities' fault. It's not they are not relevant, it's that over the past few decades they themselves have made their own fields look less relevant to the rest of society.

  2. unfortunately... by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A history major who has studied the Enlightenment or the rise and fall of the Roman Empire gains an insight into the human elements of technology and the importance of its usability.

    True enough. Unfortunately, a lot of the social sciences these days just teaches a view of history in which the Enlightenment, the Roman Empire, and technology are just tools of the male patriarchy to suppress women and Africans. Social science departments at universities like Yale have explicitly defined themselves as institutions for political change, not institutions concerned with seeking truth. And that's why social sciences as taught in academia are pretty much worthless these days.

    Fortunately, you don't need to be a history major (or minor) in order to learn these things, there are plenty of excellent books and online lectures, and I encourage everybody to listen to them. But listen critically and distinguish between indoctrination, advocacy, and scholarship.

    1. Re:unfortunately... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      True enough. Unfortunately, a lot of the social sciences these days just teaches a view of history in which the Enlightenment, the Roman Empire, and technology are just tools of the male patriarchy to suppress women and Africans

      That sounds like a made up fact.

      In other words, you have no idea it's true, you've never done one, but it fits your world view to beilieve that's the case, so you just go right agead and claim it regardless. Out of interest did you vote for Trump?

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    2. Re: unfortunately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Oh look, AmiMoJo posting in defense of SJW insanity, right on queue. I wondered where you went the last couple weeks until I realized we have been talking about technology.

      That's clearly and rather obviously nonsense.

      *everyone who reads any of your posts.

    3. Re: unfortunately... by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I read that blog post and he has some weird ideas about social justice

      I didn't refer to him for his ideas on social justice, but for for the facts he cites, specifically that American social science departments and universities that have declared themselves to be dedicated to social justice.

      In practice if someone were to actually set up either of these I think they would both simply attract trolls.

      How prescient: that, in fact, what many social science departments graduate these days.

    4. Re: unfortunately... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      declared themselves to be dedicated to social justice

      Um... So what? Courts are dedicated to justice, many places are dedicated to equality... Those are good things.

      There is this weird idea going around that you can't make any kind of judgement on any issue any more, you have to tolerate everything. That's ridiculous, clearly you can't tolerate being kicked in the crotch and it's absolutely right to make a judgement that crotch kicking is bad.

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  3. Eh... no. by SirAstral · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The humanities teaches nothing accept discrimination and indoctrination because it has now relegated itself to an "in crowd" echo chamber and is becoming more and more anti-science as time has gone by.

    It pretty much creates the premise that only "accredited" people are allowed to discuss human issues with any authority which is total bunk. The goal seems to be taking possession of humanity/liberal arts as an idea away from everyone else that did not attend. Every person unto themselves, regardless of race, minority/majority, religion, politic, ethnic, or whatever "label" you can think of has a right to represent their own ideas about humanity and life. It is a natural extension of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy except it is now a formally indoctrinated fallacy.

    You want to be a philosopher then go be it, Academia needs to keep its pie hole clamped on the subject as it no longer caters to all possible philosophers and only says that "certain ones" should be allowed the right to speak.

  4. Re:This donkey is just trying to be popular by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (1) Thank G-d for the fact that a lot of people can't wire in a light switch or change a tire. After all, it keeps the electricians and mechanics employed.
    (2) The problem isn't liberal arts, which is the idea that an education should be broad and deep. It's in fact the opposite -- the problem is SPECIALIZATION. People have become too specialized in a modern society.

  5. They COULD be as important by Jarwulf · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The liberal arts and humanities could be as important as they once were but not as the perverted ideological joke they are rightfully seen as now.

  6. it's just bullshit to suck money, really. by gl4ss · · Score: 1, Insightful

    that has been on the table for 50 years. FIFTY YEARS yet there has been nothing to actually apply it to.

    now what they need is MARKETING ETHICS as that's where it really is needed, the act of selling something thats not as self driving as self driving and so forth - there is actually no need to ponder should it hit a deer or a truck in a case it had to choose.

    also marketing ethics about ai. ai just means information technology now. fucking excel sheets are sold as AI. anything making binary choices is being now sold as AI.

    so these AI ethicists, robot rights experts etc - they're just selling bullshit. they want a cheque and way to get it is just to bullshit. that's what we need critical thinking against in the media.

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    1. Re:it's just bullshit to suck money, really. by Pseudonym · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ethics have been on the table for 50 years, yes. But only because it's been 50 years and we still haven't learned a goddamn thing.

      If more of us software engineers had studied some liberal arts or humanities, maybe fewer of us would work for companies that suck up personal information and sell it to the highest bidder. The ability to stop and think about what it is you're actually doing is apparently a rare commodity in the tech business these days.

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  7. Re:First post... in before... by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In before the anti-intellectual comments about "snowflakes" and "gender theory majors" commence.

    No need. The anti-intellectuals in those majors have already done a bang-up job of showing why they need to have funding cut. Bret Weinstein explains it very well, Jordan Peterson shows a great example of those students who trash private property to stop views from being expressed. And Melissa Click is an exemplar of that egotism wrapped in a bubble of anti-intellectualism, that supports and teaches students to shutdown view points that are contrary to the groupthink. Being a victim is profitable, pretending you're outraged is currency.

    But hey, believe whatever you want. Don't pretend that there's a swath of the humanities and liberal arts that have their heads shoves so far up their own asses that they sniff farts. Don't believe that this same elitism isn't a cancer that gets people fired from their jobs for making a joke based on personal experience(Sir Tim Hunt) and then drives them from their own country. Or creates a climate of intimidation and fear over wearing the "wrong kind of shirt" like with Matt Taylor.

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  8. Re:First post... in before... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Plenty of people in the engineering and I.T. fields also have their heads up their anal orifices. Elon Musk anyone? Look at Tesla's parts availabilily ... how dare a mere plebe un-authorized mechanic presume to want to work on a Tesla? Tim Cook. Let's show some courage by stripping useful functionality out of our products and reduce them to toys for the lowest common denominator.

    Frankly, people SHOULD have the right to protest against wrong or abhorrent views. The Earth is NOT flat. Global warming is a real thing. Treating fellow humans badly because of the color of their skin or their country of birth is abhorrent. Deal with it.

  9. read what he's actually saying by ooloorie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In 2008, my research teams at Duke and Harvard surveyed 652 U.S.-born chief executives and heads of product engineering at 502 technology companies. We found that they tended to be highly educated, 92 percent holding bachelor’s degrees and 47 percent holding higher degrees.

    Who knew! Upper management consists of people with little technical skills and good people skills! And if you want to be one of those people, by all means, don't get an engineering degree and get a social science degree instead.

    But let's be clear about this: these people are by and large not successful because they understand the Enlightenment or good design, they are successful because they understand Machiavelli and politics, something that success in a social science environment prepares them for.

    To create the amazing future that technology is enabling, we need our musicians and artists working hand in hand with our engineers. It isn’t either one or the other; we need both the humanities and engineering.

    Whoa, what a jump. CEOs and heads of product engineering don't "work hand in hand" with people, they lead and direct.

    When parents ask me now what careers their children should pursue and whether it is best to steer them into science, engineering, and technology fields, I tell them that it is best to let them make their own choices.

    Well, that is certainly good advice. Add to that the notion that government shouldn't pick winners and losers among academic fields and instead let the market decide.

  10. Re:First post... in before... by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, and let's look. When was the last time Elon Musk was going out of his way to push his ideology on everyone, and then stating that if you don't follow it you're a racist/sexist/homophobe/fascist/nazi/. When was the last time that Tim Cook used his position to turn around and shutdown free speech? But we can see the organized events from university professors, to shut down a group of MRA's who are gathered to talk about the inequality in family law. Pulling fire alarms, making fake police calls, and other shitty behavior. We can see the students being given extra credits for a course if they protest a speaker who doesn't hold the same views, to the point where the police cancel the event for fear that the protestors will turn violent.

    Frankly, people SHOULD have the right to protest against wrong or abhorrent views. The Earth is NOT flat. Global warming is a real thing. Treating fellow humans badly because of the color of their skin or their country of birth is abhorrent. Deal with it.

    Well I'd agree with that, more or less. So why aren't you up in arms when someone points out the number of educators in the humanities and liberal arts and/or leftwing elitists, and so-on who hold racist views? Or indoctrinate students into these views? I mean the NYT just finished hiring a devout anti-white racist for example, who has a track record of literal years of being such. Then there's the educators in the universities(of all flavors, but predominantly liberal colleges, but in nearly all universities) who push sexism against men, and racism against anyone who isn't black.

    And why is it that when average people call this absolute bullshit out, that the response from the left is to circle the wagons and screech that "the accusers are sexist/racist/fascist/etc/etc/etc." Why is there a literal culture of fear against particular groups of racists, if we're agreeing that all racism is bad.

    Perhaps when you say "deal with it" you mean that the rules and laws should be applied equally? In which case, I'm sure you'd agree with me that the little snot rag that the NYT hired should be canned. After all, they canned another reporter for having vocal disagreements with a white supremacist.

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  11. Re: This donkey is just trying to be popular by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

    -Robert A. Heinlein

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  12. Re:First post... in before... by Pseudonym · · Score: 1, Insightful

    When was the last time that Tim Cook used his position to turn around and shutdown free speech?

    I don't know about Tim Cook specifically, but please. The Apple Store does it all the time.

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  13. Re:Yep, pretty much this by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As for why you want to train people to think critically, well, if you don't like dictatorships & fascism then you want an electorate that thinks critically.

    Yes, you do. Unfortunately, most liberal arts programs don't produce that. In fact, throughout the 19th and 20th century, academics and universities were often key institutions in promoting totalitarian ideologies.

    I mean, ever notice how one of the 1st things a dictator does is go after the intelligentsia?

    They don't go after "the intelligentisa", only after those intellectuals who are critical of them. The intelligentsia, on the other hand, has often been instrumental in bringing communists and fascists into power. Both Hitler and Stalin were powerfully supported by intellectuals, academics, and universities.

  14. Don't expect to make the same amount of money by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Liberal arts are as important as engineering, indeed. Where would we be without our artists, our philosophers, musicians, playwrites and humanists? But if you do pursue liberal arts, please don't expect to earn the same amount of money as STEM. On the other hand, a four year liberal arts degree is generally more fun, a bit easier and you get laid a whole bunch more. Fact.

    If you can possibly manage it, consider a combined STEM + liberal arts path. The technical term for it is "renaissance".

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  15. Re:Someone is angry by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yes that someone is you.

    You got so angry at the title, you flipped your shit and wrote an angry post without even reading the first word of the summary. I'll grant you that's actually quite impressive since the word it right there and kind of hard to miss.

    The author is an engineering professor.

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  16. Re: This donkey is just trying to be popular by dunkelfalke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A witty saying proves nothing.

    - Voltaire

    Besides, Heinlein was nuts because specialisation is what made a civilisation possible in the first place. Any hunter-gatherer society left is a prime example.
    Well, actually Heinlein was nuts for all kinds of reasons, like an unhealthy obsession with slide rules, but they are not important right now.

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  17. Only artists have empathy? by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but the sense of empathy that comes from music, arts, literature and psychology provides a big advantage in design

    This is complete nonsense.

    There are just as many people with empathy who study useful subjects as there are who study arts and humanities. And just as many sociopaths and crazies, too. Writing turgid prose, discordant music, and making self-indulgent art or design does not imbue someone with empathy. Nor do "deep" and ambiguous creations mean someone is enigmatic, insightful or more intelligent - it often means that they are confused, unable to communicate clearly and don't really know what it is they are trying to put across. Just as scientists are often accused of being.

    Most of the artists I know will tell you "I do it for myself, not for other people" when asked to explain their work. That is not the sign of an "empathic" personality.

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  18. Re:This donkey is just trying to be popular by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Specialization is required in today's society because jobs have become so complicated that you cannot do them anymore without specializing heavily. If I get an operation on my knee, I want a surgeon (first specialization from "medical doctor") who specialized in knee operations (as compared to, say, brain surgery, second specialization).

    I certainly wouldn't want a shrink to do it. Even though both have that "MD" next to their name.

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  19. Re:Can't leave humanities to the humanities majors by Pseudonym · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing alone is the answer. That goes double for technology.

    Technology is an enabler, no more and no less. It's up to us to decide how we use it.

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