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P2P Piracy is Alive and Growing, Research Suggests (torrentfreak.com)

From a report: In recent years Hollywood and other entertainment sources have focused their enforcement efforts on pirate streaming sites and services. According to several reports, streaming sites get more traffic than their P2P counterparts, with the latter being almost exclusively BitTorrent related. While the rise of online streaming sites can't be denied, a new research report from anti-piracy outfit Irdeto shows that P2P remains very relevant. In fact, it's still the dominant piracy tool in many countries. Irdeto researched site traffic data provided by an unnamed web analytics partner. The sample covers web traffic to 962 piracy sites in 19 countries where P2P was most used. This makes it possible to see how P2P site visits compare to those of pirate streaming sites.

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  1. Anyone shocked? by DMJC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is this really surprising? There's still tons of software out there that makers no longer support or distribute, tons of TV shows that Netflix doesn't stock. As fragmentation of the online streaming market grows (Disney Online) Expect piracy to grow back in as people's $10/month subscriptions fail to deliver them the content they want and rather than pay $80+ for 8+ different streaming services they just go back to piracy.

    1. Re:Anyone shocked? by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Eventually all software will be rented and media will be streamed to approved devices. Only approved devices will be allowed to connect to the Internet.

    2. Re:Anyone shocked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      My uncle has a streaming device, that no-one knows about
      He says it used to be legal, before the Data Law
      And on Sundays I elude the ‘Eyes’, and hop the Turbine Freight
      To far outside the Wire, where my white-haired uncle waits

    3. Re:Anyone shocked? by sconeu · · Score: 5, Informative
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    4. Re:Anyone shocked? by SirCowMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      It'll be $80 for 8+ services, + $0.50 every quarter to show growing profits, for declining services.

      Netflix, having shown how to make a viable competitor to casual downloading, has give up that game and seems to want to sit with the old media folks. The VPN/geoblocking restrictions was the biggest move, but now also we see the limited introduction of geoblocking on their "own" programming (i.e., CBS deal for ST), and the nerfed access to higher quality levels for devices without hardware DRM - or, most egregiously in the case of 4K, even when all technical DRM instruments are in place it won't stream 4K without the particular device also being certified by Netflix. It's getting harder to watch something without it being better quality being sourced by other means.

      Throw on top of that the effective removal of the recommendation system, the demotion of anything not Netflix created, and constant wobbling about of the UI (at least on devices). The ability to raise content to the surface, put you in easy touch with something you'll want to watch next - that value-added sort of service was not something easily replicated by your own ripped DVD collection, or "pirate" sources. Now it's half-gutted, and getting worse. There is little compelling reason anymore to use Netflix as an interface to access something, where available elsewhere.

      Netflix, at $8 (or a fraction of that when shared), demonstrated how media could be distributed in such a manner as to make piracy essentially irrelevant. Just needed to keep adding that content.

      Now, looking at $14 or whatever for Netflix's top tier, need to scroll through a half-dozen full-screen auto-playing standup comedy specials which have no relation to viewing history before finding something you'd be looking for.. the value proposition is lost. Just wondering when the ads will start.

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    5. Re:Anyone shocked? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

      Only approved devices will be allowed to connect to the Internet.

      I doubt you have any evidence to back that up, but even if you turn out to be right, you know what will happen.

      If I'm not allowed to use "the" Internet then I'll just have to use some other Internet (with blackjack and hookers).

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    6. Re:Anyone shocked? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

      Jump on the couch as the microwave heats my pizza pie
      Monitor on, as excitement shivers up and down my spine
      On the LAN my uncle preserved for me an old machine
      For fifty-odd years
      To keep the kernel updated has been his dearest dream

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    7. Re:Anyone shocked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What you and some other are alluding to is a trend we've been seeing for some time now. Housing either being gobbled up by 'property management' companies and rented/leased, 'Home Owners Associations' imposing such draconic 'rules' that not only can stand in the way of home ownership, but literally take someone's home away from them because of 'penalty fees' imposed by these non-authoritative 'associations'. Barriers put in the way of people obtaining financing to purchase homes (especially for minorities, but also white people -- if you're an 'undesirable' white, that is). Leasing instead of purchasing vehicles. 'Streaming services' being pushed instead of encouraging people to own legal copies. Companies like Microsoft wanting to offer software, even the operating system itself, as a 'monthly service' instead of actually owning a copy yourself. Even employment, if you think about it: companies having the majority of their workforce as 'temps' or 'contract workers' or 'contingent workers', basically them renting you from a parasite 'staffing company', and you can be sent away with a mere phone call and you have NO say in the matter. And more examples than I have time to ennumerate. If you look at the bigger picture, you see the pattern: 'The Rich' wanting to be the sole owners of just about everything, leaving everyone else with barely the clothes on their backs, to pay, pay, pay in perpetuity, never owning anything of value. Words like 'Feudalism' come to mind.

      People in general would do well to wake up, realize what's happening, and fight against it. Believe you me, we do not want to live in a world where the common person owns nothing, and has to pay a fee every month to The Rich 1% just to have a roof over their heads, transportation of your own, and the basics of living.

    8. Re:Anyone shocked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I also blacklist [an assortment of keywords]. Who the hell watches that??

      Somebody. Not you, but somebody. Different people have different tastes.

      online streaming platforms lack crucial functionality, being an option to PERMANENTLY blacklist specific titles.

      This is only due to their lack of standards. If the service and the client were independent, you would probably see an explosion of media players. Oh wait, you do see an explosion of media players, but they don't work with any of the proprietary streaming services. ;-)

      But go ask a pirate if they're lacking any crucial functionality. Nope. They might lack something you care about, but only because they don't. (See above where it was revealed that different people have different tastes.) When you have standards, people get what they want. Right now, only pirates have standards, so only pirates can have nice things.

      If it gets to be too much of a problem, then either the whole world needs to switch to piracy, or else DRM will need to be outlawed.

    9. Re:Anyone shocked? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Nations keep logs of all networked computer use from every ISP for some time.
      Photo ID to get an approved cell phone that will work?
      The tracking is in place.

      VPN use can be tracked by the security services. Bullrun (decryption program) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Police and security services do not want to ban what was onion routing and have a great ability to find users when needed.

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  2. Wrong. P2P is NOT (at least usually) "piracy"!!! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Informative

    I really wish people would get ths straight.

    "Copyright piracy" is a legal term that has been around for about 150 years. Though some copyright owners (I'm looking at you, Disney) certainly want to make people think it means something else. That's why they call everything piracy.

    But actually it refers to people who make unauthorized copies and distribute them, usually for personal gain (like profit).

    In other words, "piracy" basically means people who make copies and sell them.

    Piracy is a crime. But just downloading -- if that's all you're doing -- is NOT piracy, and is not a crime. It is a civil violation, comparable to making a personal copy of a videotape.

    People who upload videos to torrent sites might be pirates -- if they do it for some kind of personal gain -- but not people who just download.

    Having said that: many (but not all) torrent programs force you to upload at the same time you are downloading. Technically, that might be considered piracy in some cases, but usually isn't. It's a pretty damned hard case to make in court.

    Also, there does exist software that does not force you to upload when you download. Though you might have to look hard to find it.

  3. Re:theft by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Informative

    Neither real copyright piracy (which consists of making unauthorized copies and selling them), nor downloading, are "theft".

    Copyright violations are not theft. When you steal something, you deprive the owner of the presence or use of that thing.

    E.g., if you stole my TV, I would no longer have it and not be able to use it.

    When you copy a videotape or CD or DVD, you don't deprive either the copyright holder, or the person who owned the original you copied, of anything. Anything at all.

    Further, multiple studies have shown that copying nearly always occurs in situations in which there would not have been a sale anyway. (I.e., person does not have the money to buy the CD, or a movie ticket.)

    So usually, it isn't even depriving the copyright holder of any theoretical profit.

    Copyright violations are NOT "theft". It's a completely different area of the law.

  4. Re:theft by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

    Here is a (hex) number:

    A9C120EDFD186901C9DBD0F660

    It is ALSO a copyrighted program (*) since I just wrote it.

    1. Do you steal a number??? Hint. YOU CAN'T and don't since I STILL have it if you "steal" it.

    2. If you copy that program you have committed piracy (since I never game permission for you to use it.) So copying numbers are now illegal ???

    Yes, according to current idiotic, archaic, law. It is called "Copyright Infringement"

    It doesn't matter if numbers represent data such as audio, video, text, etc.

    Saying it is illegal to copy a number is still stupid.

    (*) It a 6502 program (*) that prints the letters A-Z on an Apple ][.

    main LDA #C1
    next JSR $FDED
          CLC
          ADC #1
          CMP #DB
          BNE next
          RTS

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  5. Re:Wrong. P2P is NOT (at least usually) "piracy"!! by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you drunk or high or something?

    "Copyright piracy" is a legal term

    No. Never has been.

    In other words, "piracy" basically means people who make copies and sell them.

    Bullshit. It's been known as "pirate copying" and "pirate copies" since we were trading floppies in the school yard 30 years ago, obviously completely non-commercial. You just made up your own terms, your own definitions and is going on a rant because nobody gets it "right" even though you're the one trying to redefine everything.

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  6. Re: theft by kurkosdr · · Score: 2

    Your program does not meet the criteria to be copyrightable. This is what you get when slashdoters try to do law...

  7. Re: theft by DRJlaw · · Score: 5, Informative

    Uncopyrightable procedure, process, system, or method of operation.

    Specifically, in this instance, something covered by merger. There are no expressive elements to the program. It is merely the simplest, most mechanical way of getting a 6502 CPU to produce that entirely non-expressive output.

    Signed,
    Actual IP attorney

  8. I just want to actually -OWN- what I buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can't own anything anymore. You can only purchase access to view/listen/use it through some service... services aren't always available, and even when they are, the internet isn't always available, and even when it is, your hardware might not be up to snuff.

    With my personal collection, barring some out-of-left-field tech issue, I know it's going to work every time and be right there where I want it.

    With online services, the price might increase, there might be updates or patches that force you to cough up personal information.

    It's like, no... I just want to give you money, and then you give me a product, and we part ways. Not, I give you money, and then you keep spying on me and sending me ads and essentially "following" through the cloud.

    Wow this rant went all over the place, but seriously, for all it's advantages, I'm fed up with streaming anything.

  9. Re:Streaming services too expensive by war4peace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, nope.
    Here in my country, east of the Iron Courtain, Netflix is 7 bucks a month, cheapest tier. Tidal is 5 bucks a month. Same with Spotify.
    They're not too expensive.
    Geolocking does exist as a matter of fact, and it's one of the main reasons piracy still exists.
    We (my people) have been treated a second class people for far too long , and we won't have it anymore. So when Netflix comes and says "you can't have this content that others do because $bullshit_reason*", we don't like it, and stop using it.
    *$bullshit_reason could be, for example, a certain movie or TV series had their broadcasting rights sold to some asshole local company which sits on them trying to boost prices, or to an actual broadcaster which is only interested in maximizing profit. This results in many, if not most good movies or TV series being unavailable in my country. Anecdotal evidence: 10 of my top 10 preferred moviesw ere unavailable on netflix for my country (or at all!) due to broadcasting rights or movie owner not wanting to sell rights to Netflix. Hulu isn't available in my country, at all. Tidal has a "hip-hop problem", pushing their own music agenda despite the fact that I am a metalhead and for months I have only listened to metal on their platform. Yet, every fucking time I open Tidal, the main page and all their recommendation revolve around "JayZ's Playlist" and "Nicki Minaj" and other crap I simply DO NOT WANT. I perceive that behavior as being disrespectful - so I cancelled my subscription.

    The pirate alternative: Torrent websites (private trackers):
    - have a much wider selection of content
    - have HIGH QUALITY content (Blu-Ray, 4K, etc)
    - Are very fast (5-10 minutes) to download pretty much anything (local peers abound)
    - Don't push their own agenda
    - Have most content available IMMEDIATELY after release (especially music and TV series; for movies you generally need to wait a month or so for highest quality)
    - Have a large variety of good subtitles in a myriad languages, readily attached to movies and series
    - Do carry obscure and "rare" content (which I can't legally buy, stream or rent from anywhere)

    I am all for legal methods of consuming content, and I am ready to pay for it. But when, for example, the FIFA World Cup 2018 took place this summer, I was unable to find an easy way to legally livestream matches. I was ready to pay-per-view or subscribe to bundles, but none were available for my country. The official broadcaster for my country had horrible service, thir website was down or locking up most of the time, it was unusable. And there was no alternative... except watching pirate livestreams which worked perfectly.

    Life finds a way... so does consuming media content in a timely manner.

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  10. Data by manu0601 · · Score: 2

    I wonder what data they used? TFA talks about P2P web traffic, but P2P does not use the web.

  11. Re:Competing with free by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is exactly the problem with content: People care mostly about convenience.

    You know what caused the switch from Piratebay to Netflix? Convenience. Nobody gives a fuck about 10 bucks a month, what they care about is ease of use. Click it and it works. Netflix managed to be more convenient than TPB. That's all.

    That's also the reason that certain content gets copied like crazy. Not even, but especially when prohibitive DRM is in place. You might notice that those always-online games are among those that get copied the most. Why? Convenience. If I buy a game that I then cannot play because the activation server is overloaded, tinker and toy for a few hours until I give up, download it from TPB and just play it.

    Next time I omit the step that is of no use to me.

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