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Faces Are Being Scanned At US Airports With No Safeguards on Data Use (nytimes.com)

schwit1 writes: The program makes boarding an international flight a breeze: Passengers step up to the gate, get their photo taken and proceed onto the plane. There is no paper ticket or airline app. Thanks to facial recognition technology, their face becomes their boarding pass.... The problem confronting thousands of travelers, is that few companies participating in the program, called the Traveler Verification Service, give explicit guarantees that passengers' facial recognition data will be protected.

And even though the program is run by the Department of Homeland Security, federal officials say they have placed no limits on how participating companies -- mostly airlines but also cruise lines -- can use that data or store it, opening up travelers' most personal information to potential misuse and abuse such as being sold or used to track passengers' whereabouts.

The Department of Homeland Security is now using the data to track foreigners overstaying their visas, according to the Times. "After passengers' faces are scanned at the gate, the scan is sent to Customs and Border Protection and linked with other personally identifying data, such as date of birth and passport and flight information."

But the face scans are collected by independent companies, and Border Protection officials insist they have no control over how that data gets used.

106 comments

  1. Use facebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your face is already useless as biometric ID.

    1. Re:Use facebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Are there many fake profiles that use the images from other profiles? Nevertheless, the images that are used for the IDs are of the type you don't put anyone's profile on those social media and dating sites. Hopefully.

  2. Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People who did not pay their tax and wanted to sneak out of the USA on "another" passport.
    Illegal migrants who thought their "new" passport would never get cross referenced with any other US database.
    People who asked for "protection" in the USA going back for a holiday in the nation they "escaped" from for a few months.
    Criminals who created an entire fake life with a entire new passport ID story suddenly get detected from that old city/state police image :)

    Database sharing and reconciliation between city/state/federal systems is going to find a lot of faces who would have been ok if they had not risked international travel :)

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    1. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So....as long as I'm not a criminal then I'm fine? Great "examples".

    2. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I believe every story ever written of computers enforcing utopian ideals on humanity ends with all of humanity wiped out through perfect enforcement of their laws.

      I'd be surprised if even someone in a coma is not arguably violating some law at every moment given how ridiculous our laws have become.

      So, yes, as long as you're not a criminal, you're fine. Good luck with that.

    3. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Troll

      Citizens with their own passports who pay their tax on time can enjoy international travel AC.
      A criminal, an illegal migrant, a person with fake ID, a person who claimed protection going back to the nation they escaped will be detected.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    4. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've obviously never had a "new" passport and had to move through US customs. They notice when you get a new passport and ask you about it.

      Criminals that create a new fake life now need to get plastic surgery. Just like in the James Bond movies.

      Lots of FUD in your list from someone that has never had to cross the US border and done so with passports that have expired, VISAs transferred, etc.

    5. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      First they came for the blacks, but I said nothing, because I was not black.

      Then they came for the Muslims, but I said nothing because I was not a Muslim.

      Then they came for the illegal aliens, but I said nothing because I was not an illegal alien.

      Then nobody came for me, because we didn’t need militarized police or a surveillance state anymore.

    6. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, obvious loopholes fixed? Put a federal ID in there, supported by automatically cross-referensing biometric database and require its use on all banking and personal information related transactions such as in the case of medical information and you got the rest. A law that is unenforceable is a law better to rewrite or dropped from the books and all criminals should receive equal treatment under the law, after all.

    7. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      So its the governments fault if a person did remember to read the date when the passport would not work?
      Then go and get a new passport? Thats for the person with the passport to try and remember AC.

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    8. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just getting in your car to go somewhere after taking an allergy medicine can get you arrested for DUI if the cop is an a$$hole...

    9. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you can explain what is illegal about somebody who came for asylum going back at some later date to the country they fled from earlier?

    10. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      You deserve to be arrested for dui if you drive with allergy medicines in your blood. And you should be locked away for life. The humanity will benefit in the long run as hopefully you were caught and incarcerated before you had procreated your defective genes.

    11. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They lied. It's illegal to lie on your asylum application

    12. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      They lied.

      Not necessarily. It's entirely possible for régimes to change. So it's reasonable for Tadeusz who got political asylum in 1985 to be perfectly OK with going to visit his cousin in Poznan today.

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    13. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Teun · · Score: 1

      A list of valid reasons to use facial detection.
      But not a single one is an excuses for not having safeguards in place for who can use the biometrics and what for.
      It might be typical for US citizen to not know about privacy as a legal concept but one day you will regret these very invasive policies.

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    14. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC the person said that the nation they needed protection from was not safe for them to a very exact legal standard.
      To go back for a holiday would show that legal standing of needing that kind of protection in another nation was over. They then can return to their own nation.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    15. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      When that change of "régimes" makes extended holidays possible, its time to return to their now safe nation.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    16. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      When its "Ok" to go back to a nation for months on holiday that legal definition of needing international protection is over.

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    17. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      People have done that ship, jet, car, international travel for many, many decades.
      Get a passport.
      Apply to the nation and wait for an approved visa.
      Wait for that other nation to consider the visa request.
      With the correct reason for travel eg work, study, a holiday, an extended visit.
      Wait for approval from that nation and get the passport ready.
      Enjoy the visit. When things go wrong, try the embassy.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    18. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Teun · · Score: 1

      In the mean time this ex-refugee became an upstanding member of his community where he employs 250 people.

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      "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
    19. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A country can indeed make visiting so onerous that tourists simply won't come.

    20. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Getting a "tourists" visa is not a right AC.

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    21. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 0

      People put in the needed documents that show their own nation is such a risk that they need the fully protection of another nation.
      A year later they take a few months holiday in the same nation they claimed to need full protection from...
      Thats why facial recognition will allow governments to uncover people who do not need that kind of protection.
      Documents requesting full protection will match the face of a person going back to the same nation.

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    22. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are completely underestimating how much administrative (or technical if considering these kinds of databases) mistakes can screw you over.

      If your country has a history of fucking over tourists (regardless of whether a tourist visa isn't a "right") then I simply won't visit. I believe many others will share my views, and this is (for example) why many refuse to visit Saudi Arabi or the UAE based on their treatment of women and human rights violations.

      You can always judge a culture by how it treats the most vulnerable.

    23. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      So you think it's OK to strip someone of their lawful permanent resident status or even citizenship just because they came from a different country.

      Thanks for confirming your xenophobia and disregard for the law. Not to mention your xenophobia and callousness. Oh, and your xenophobia, too.

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    24. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The other really great part is to count every person in and out and see if they over stayed their visa.
      The USA will finally be able to reconcile its visa use. Every legally allowed person into the USA. Every person returning to their own nation within the time of their visa :)
      The administrative side is a positive.
      The USA now has a way of knowing on the day when a person is over staying.
      The "vulnerable" will get the full support of their own nations embassy... just as they had over many decades of travel.

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    25. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      If that "permanent resident status" was only ever granted legally as protection from another nation?
      Thats why nations are so interested in people who claim legally they need full protection but then go on long holidays in the nation they claim to need protection from.
      That new citizenship might not last very long when person is found to have not told their new nation the truth when getting "lawful" new "citizenship".
      New facial recognition is going to make such holiday result in legal questions on return.

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    26. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point because they aren't doing this on other countries. Oh wait they are doing that and more in other countries

    27. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Now if we could just use the same technology to reduce the backlog of legal visa and citizenship applications to something more reasonable than a three decade wait, we could have a real conversation about immigration.

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    28. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Either that, or the new big fashion statement among criminals is going to become glitter makeup.

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    29. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long does it take for an American to get citizenship in Britain or Germany?

    30. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be confused about what the term "asylum" means.

    31. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      Thats why they don't call it DUI any more, but OVI. Operating Vehicle Impaired. Meaning, overly tired can get you arrested also if the cop is an asshole

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    32. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This happens in Australia. They come here from iraq, syria, iran, etc by plane and boat. They claim asylum "I will be tortured or killed if I return!". They bring their family over which can be another 2 to 10 people. When they have funds they travel to Greece or Italy or another country near their native country to visit. Then they return to Australia. WTF?

      There were people who complained that they were not allowed to visit their family in their own country. That they can't visit their home country or other countries where their claims of persecution would apply. WTF?

      Some of then have even traveled back to their home country to get people to bring them here on a visa. After claiming they would be killed or tortured if they returned.

      Some people try to use the passports of people who look like them to leave the country. Usually after committing a crime.

      The good side to this is that it will help identify these people at the border.

      The down side is when they deploy it to all public transport and malls to track people.

    33. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Spamalope · · Score: 1

      People who had a bad breakup with anyone involved with the system or know someone who is.

      People whose image had the wrong associated metadata applied to it.

      People who expose a flaw in the image matching system the vendor won't acknowledge.

      People who look very similar to someone else.

    34. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest wiring it up to a shotgun so it blows their head off upon return.

    35. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need to stop worrying about the minor things and let this stuff go. The more the US suppresses illegal stuff of all types, the more we just entrench the ruling class. The illegal stuff has always been the number one way around the hold of the top 1% on things. You have to join them to beat them.

      The growing gap between the top 1% and the rest of us is our problem. Period.

      Don't let this crap they throw out to distract you succeed. Focus on the problem.

      Illegals haven't taken the jobs, the second incomes we've had to employ to survive have taken many times more than illegals. If the first incomes got the same ratio of the wealth as they used to, we wouldn't need those second incomes working. There would be more than enough jobs for all of us, including the illegals. We'd be desperate to import more.

    36. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not needing one doesn't mean it won't struggle to find a new mission and keep going. Look what happened at the end of Prohibition with the agency charged with enforcing it.

    37. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Just getting in your car to go somewhere after taking an allergy medicine can get you arrested for DUI if the cop is an a$$hole...

      How is the cop going to know to target you, unless your driving IS actually impaired?

    38. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Citizens with their own passports who pay their tax on time can enjoy international travel AC. A criminal, an illegal migrant, a person with fake ID, a person who claimed protection going back to the nation they escaped will be detected.

      Plus a bunch of completely innocent people who have been unnecessarily detained and harassed after being misidentified. I believe Bayes theorem will have something to say about this.

      https://www.wired.co.uk/articl...

    39. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Who cares, we have better technology than they do. There is NO reason, with the NSA's total information database, that we shouldn't be able to do a background check on any one of 7.5 billion human beings in less than a week.

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    40. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      You and AHuxley both appear to be confused about what "permanent resident" and "citizenship" mean.

      Meanwhile, I'm not the least bit confused about your obvious lack of empathy for and desire to kick out those damned foreigners. Strawman much?

      Just how much immigrant ancestry do you yourselves have, anyway? I'll tell you: It's 100%. Just like everyone else on the planet.

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  3. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you cant trust the government you've already lost, and may soon need to flee. Because honestly would you trust them if they said they weren't collecting that data?

  4. no control over how that data gets used. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then don't collect the fucking data.

    oh, wait... is it that you WANT the data shared with everybody.. so that it becomes readily available? matched in each company's own databases to each person?

    data which can later be obtained without warrant, without even a subpoena (or can be seized or stolen covertly), and without notification of the person or persons involved.

    people have been traveling for millennia without photographs being taken. so why the fuck start now? hmm?

    perhaps if the TheatricalSecurityAgency was actually effective, or perhaps if airline security was actually the job of those who own and operate the airlines (ya know, like it used to be)? none of this big brother surveillance state bullshit would be "needed"

    1. Re:no control over how that data gets used. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you're fine with me employing a device to read all the bank and credit cards, driver license, passport, etc., that you happen to have in your pockets as you happen to walk by me in a public space. Thanks!

    2. Re:no control over how that data gets used. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is illegal because it isn't publicly visible.

      Maybe you should read the most basic FAQ on the 4th Amendment and case rulings around it.

    3. Re:no control over how that data gets used. by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Why? It's not illegal to collect data of people walking around in public spaces.

      Try taking pictures/video of police stations or Federal buildings from public property, or try photographing police/government officials in public to collect their biometric/facial-ID data.

      It would be a good idea to retain a lawyer and arrange your affairs for a long absence first, however.

      Some animals are more equal than others.

      Strat

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    4. Re:no control over how that data gets used. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever see a cop give himself a ticket for speeding to chase you?

      No? That's right you dumbshit.

  5. More crap for your "convenience" by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    See how the government does things? TSA, for your "safety" crap. Body searches, now face ID scans, how long until they mandate barcode tattoos or implanted ID chips? Couple that with the "convenience" of using your phone, chip card to access "money" and they'll end the use of cash, and couple all of this together and they gotcha.

    1. Re:More crap for your "convenience" by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      It is axiomatic that whenever you see a sign that starts: "For your convenience...", what it REALLY means is: "For our convenience...".

  6. So what? Stop with the nanny state stuff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It isn't the state's job to project you from the state. #MAGA

  7. Sure there are safeguards by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    if you're very wealthy then nothing bad will happen to your data and it will be well cared for.

    Oh, you meant for the rest of us? Well, if you're gonna make a two tiered justice system you've got to break some omelets or something.

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    1. Re:Sure there are safeguards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're very wealthy and care about this, you'll just use charters or your own private jet which doesn't come with the illegal bullshit security.

      This is just for the rest of us that want to use our constitutionally guaranteed right to travel between the states. But, thanks to the developmentally delayed jurists that keep getting seated on the courts, that increasingly applies only to slower and slower means of traveling between states. And probably less convenient. Unless somebody stops seating these incompetent judges it's not going to be too long before that right to travel only applies on foot or horseback because that's clearly what the framers of the constitution meant.

    2. Re:Sure there are safeguards by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      As bad as it sounds, putting special safeguards on data of the very wealthy is good.

      The rest of us are already protected by the fact we don't stand out. I've never been followed by paparazzi, I don't have stuff that attract professional thieves or any family member worth kidnapping for ransom, I don't have an army of suckers asking me for favors anywhere I go. So who will go out of their way to get my data? I could put my personal phone number online for everyone to see and nothing will happen since it doesn't have much more value than picking a number at random.

      Multi-tiered systems are common. Handicapped people for example are allowed priority access almost everywhere. Witnesses get special protection. It is not because they are privileged, it is because their status turn things that are benign into a very big deal.

      One could argue that being wealthy is much more desirable than being handicapped, and that they already have a lot of privileges through their connections. However, while I disagree that they should be able to do thing us mortals can't do unpunished, I also disagree with the idea of putting them at risk by treating them like the normal people they aren't. Two wrongs don't make a right you now.

    3. Re: Sure there are safeguards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Constitution is a lovely tourist attraction. However I fail to see what it has to do with the operation of the American government.

    4. Re:Sure there are safeguards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As bad as it sounds, putting special safeguards on data of the very wealthy is good.

      The rest of us are already protected by the fact we don't stand out. I've never been followed by paparazzi,

      No, the rest of us used to be protected by not standing out. When it takes a paparazzi to follow someone around, only high-value surveillance operations will be able to afford to exist. But as automated surveillance becomes cheaper and more prevalent, and we continue to have basically a pernanent digital record, that protection is rapidly disappearing.

    5. Re:Sure there are safeguards by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Yes. The Clintons have done horrible things in this world, haven't they?

  8. Is your face private? by Leuf · · Score: 1, Troll

    What exactly is someone going to do with a scan of your face? Is someone going to hack in and 3d print a facial mask of your face and then try to get through airport security with a plastic face? I just don't see what value this data has to anyone. I guess if you had data on a large enough group of people you could find people who are close enough matches to fool the system to yourself or other members of your group.

    1. Re:Is your face private? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      No, they'll just use it to cross-reference your other data AND know that you're out of the country.

      (Congratulations, you apparently don't know anything about databases AND you didn't even bother to read all of the summary before posting silly questions.)

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    2. Re:Is your face private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just don't see what value this data has to anyone.

      .

      As I pointed out below, people who have a license to drive a vehicle in the US have already been photographed and those photos are more than sufficient to identify them via face-reco.

      You can use stuff like this article as a litmus test to detect stupid people. They will reveal themselves by getting upset over stuff that does not matter in the slightest. Of course if they are Facebook users they will already have revealed themselves to be idiots.

    3. Re:Is your face private? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      But if you are boarding a plane with a ticket where you checked in with a photo ID...don't they already know you are out of the country?

    4. Re:Is your face private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the drivers' license case it was still being used for more than was needed for drivers' licenses and was not OK. In this case the complaint is the servicing companies being able to use the data. The contract should never have allowed that.

    5. Re:Is your face private? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Depends on how state and city privacy laws get set and what could be shared with the federal gov/mil in the past.
      Tax problems? No issued passport but the same person now has a "new" passport to go on holiday with?
      Illegal migrants wanting to go on holiday expecting their created US documents to work due to federal/state "privacy" laws.
      People who are now in the USA who told the US government they could never return to their own nation. Now going on a holiday to the nation they wanted to be protected from?

      The other databases that exist are created by the US mil of people detected in war zones and people who are supporting banned groups.
      People reported by police/mil in other nations doing bad things with bad people who just expect to exit and enter the USA on a "passport" under the cover of decades of US "privacy" regulation.

      A lot of that information and its origins would show US collection methods and cooperation so state and city police know nothing of such lists, faces.
      The only legal location for the US gov to detect is in a set number of locations eg an airport.
      So the "don't they already know you are out of the country?" is more of a way to detect every face and track people without having to share with the rest of US law enforcement what the US mil/gov/other agency knows. Still collecting on everyone who thinks they can just sneak in and out of the USA at any time.

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    6. Re:Is your face private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey wait --- your comment will undermine Zontar's sense of superiority, and his fragile ego might cause him to consider suicide.

      Then who else would make the sort of semi-ignorant condescending-prick comments Zontar does ?

      You see, just like a turd, even Zontar has a reason to exist.

    7. Re:Is your face private? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Depends on who "they" are, and whether they have a legitimate reason to access such data.

      The issue is not with the taking of images, using facial recognition tech, or knowing that you're in or out of the country. The issue is whom this information gets shared with, how it can be used by them, and what safeguards it's under.

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    8. Re:Is your face private? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      If I'm so ignorant, feel free to enlighten me.

      But, no, you're not doing that, are you?

      And my fragile ego is just fine, thanks.

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    9. Re:Is your face private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone like Bookface could use it to tag you in photos even if you aren't a member of Bookface. You can't opt out since you don't have an account.

      Governments can use this data via a third party and track you through their omnipresent cameras.

    10. Re:Is your face private? by MrMr · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the US can copy the GDPR? At least you will have a legal course of action if you accidentally end up in a database you don't belong in...

    11. Re: Is your face private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youâ(TM)re just mindless.

    12. Re:Is your face private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But who is to say what database you do or don't belong in? The individual? A pedophile may not feel s/he deserves to be on the sex offender registry even though the were caught molesting a child. Should they be able to have themselves removed just because they feel it is unfair for them to be on it? What about someone who has been convicted of indecent exposure?

      Doing this isn't putting anyone at any more risk than they already put themselves in. Pictures taken in public areas are not private. The data they are gathering in this manner could easily be gathered on 95% of the people simply by going to social media websites. Most people don't lock down there Facebook accounts and openly tell the world they are going out of the country and when they are returning. What safeguards are Google and Facebook using to protect the same data? Facebook is selling that data to whoever is willing to buy it, including political organizations to help them create targeted ads. Bottom line, the people who complain about this type of stuff the most are generally also the ones who are the worst at protecting their own information online.

    13. Re:Is your face private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I forgot to add, the GDPR applies to business...not the government. In other words, even if we employed our version of GDPR, DHS would still be able to do whatever they wanted with the information they collect.

  9. There are FAR more important concerns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The misuse of "news" media for propaganda is one example.

    Google News, BBC, the Washington Post, and numerous other so-called news media are spewing propaganda EVERY DAY in order to shape the opinions of the masses. This should be a much bigger concern than your face being scanned.

    By the way, do you have a driver's license ? If you do, the state and the Feds have photos of your face already, and they have for years. Yet no one is flipping out about that.

    God damn I am tired of alarmist articles on the garbage yellow-journalism post-Rob Malda Slashdot. It's just too stupid for words. You fuckwits who produce this shit would be ashamed if you weren't morons.

    1. Re:There are FAR more important concerns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ask you to log in so we can ban you for the hateful speech. Your are already Slashdot user obviously, so just log in and post that words again.

      .

      If you cannot handle "speech" you might not like, you'd better stay off the internet, son.

      Idiots like you are about as un-American as it gets. We in the US have free speech, and people DIED to preserve that right. If you don't like free speech, take a long walk off a tall cliff, motherfucker.

    2. Re:There are FAR more important concerns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Digitized facial data already allows virtually undetectable fake porn. Data that is held by the government is risky enough, data that the government lets anyone with a few extra bucks collect on their behalf should concern you because that video of you boarding a plane that is your alibi for the false murder charge has just been edited to give you someone else's face. Manufactured guilt is so much easier when you can alter the source tapes.

    3. Re:There are FAR more important concerns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Comparing "driver's license" photos to the new airport face scans are not equivalent at all.

      You can't do too much with a single, low res, front-on, photograph, as per your driver's license.

      The airport face scans are high resolution, well lit, taken from multiple angles, use IR face profiling (like what the iPhone does), and has a very high* probability that the person being photographed is the person on the documentation.

      *Your scare mongering above not withstanding, people using other people's passports for travel is extremely rare.

      The motivation here is all about creating a much better database containing face information so that low res, off-axis, poorly lit, CCTV (and similar) video footage can be face matched, just like you see in the movies.

      That is where we are going with this, and I believe it really will be a dystopian authoritarian future. You can accept that if you want, but I, for one, do not want to.

    4. Re:There are FAR more important concerns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are already building these databases from the pictures take of themselves and post online. While doing the scans at airports may get them better quality data for their database, you aren't giving them anything they don't already have the ability to collect by other means.

      Unless you are willing to pay cash for everything, not have a cell phone, stay off the internet, and generally remove yourself from society altogether, you are going to put enough information out there for someone to track you if they really want to. Considering you are on here posting stuff, I will venture to guess none of those above things apply to you. Take off your tinfoil hat and understand that maybe, just maybe, the Man doesn't really care about you and is doing this to try and find people he does care about. You know, like high profile criminals and known terrorists. Or understand that this data will be used in the unfortunate event that you decided to go vacationing in a war zone and ultimately end up as the hostage of a terrorist group. In which case, they will compare the face of the person in the ransom video to what is in their database to make a positive ID. Also understand that if you are flying to pretty much any country in Europe, they have already been collecting biometrics on people as they come in. It is a fact of life now.

  10. Re: Thanks, TRUMP by tacarat · · Score: 0

    Don't steal George W. Bush's legacy from him.

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    "Common sense will be the death of us all"
  11. Redundant post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's obvious to anyone that has talked with APK for 2 minutes that he's spouts nonsense. The man, and I use the term generously, treats every conversation as if it were logical debate. This on it's own would no be so bad, except he throws strawman after strawman, or asserts a premise that not rationale person could accept without concrete proof.

    But I can tell you one constant in the universe. If this is a topic, APK will assert he is an expert on it. Even if you prove him wrong mostly times as I have.

    APK is a stubborn fool. Replying to him is never constructive. His hosts file software is still unsigned after multiple requests to improve his security. He's an old crazy man that uses old obsolete tools, and he is ready to defend his stupid actions with his final breath.

    ZIP

    1. Re: Redundant post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all need to shit on APKâ(TM)s face.

    2. Re: Redundant post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He would enjoy the attention.

      ZIP

  12. Apparently CaptainDork went to the airport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the scanner said "Hey! Hey! ONE face at a time!"

  13. Well, there's an easy way out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're an citizen of the US, vote against the Deep State (snicker). If you're not, just stay away from that fucking shithole.

  14. Meanwhile, U.S. propaganda accuses China of "1984" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the American sheep have no idea, that it is they themselves who are living in the middle of a surveilance and police state, and that their corrupt government is lying their eyes out to make sure their plebs don't wake up and realize it.

  15. I'm surprised if anyone is surprised by this... by Flownez · · Score: 1

    I'm from Australia, I pretty much expect this when I come to the US. In fact; I'd would have been surprised if this wasn't the case.

    1. Re:I'm surprised if anyone is surprised by this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignore these privacy hipsters. No serious person is surprised or alarmed by this.

    2. Re:I'm surprised if anyone is surprised by this... by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Surprised? No. Alarmed? Yes. Nothing I can do about it. Every time I read about these things I read the obligatory "privacy experts are concerned." Um, yeah..

  16. Re:Thanks, TRUMP by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    I fail to see how better, more objective, enforcement of the law is a bad thing.

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    SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
  17. Re: Thanks, TRUMP by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    Obama already did that one. Now Trump is busy stealing it from Obama. It's been a tradition for at least the last 50 years for each President to steal the reputation of "Worst President Ever" from the previous one, and I don't see Trump as the bottom of the barrel yet.

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    SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
  18. Re: Thanks, TRUMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do know numb nuts, that this technology was being developed LONG before Trump was in office. And the orders to have it deployed were in the works before Trump. fucking idiots like you have no clue. I really can't wait for the civil war, I can't wait to start spilling the blood of people like you.

  19. Re: Thanks, TRUMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iâ(TM)d like to shit in the scanner st the airport.

  20. 1984 by Macdude · · Score: 1

    1984

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    "Grab them by the pussy" -- President of the United States of America
  21. Butt Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're really scanning your butt and sharing it with their co-workers.. Just sayin'.

  22. Safeguard against what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fear against "misuse" isn't specific enough for me or for the law. Just because you have a phobia about everything in life doesn't give a justification to prohibit something. The usage for illegal immigration is a just cause, as stated in the article.

    So, what do you think that they are going to do with your ugly mug shot? Sell it to the National Enquirer as an alien baby picture?

  23. Re:Thanks, TRUMP by pete6677 · · Score: 1

    That happened under Obama. Dumbass.

  24. Re: Thanks, TRUMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh do let me know when you have USAian DustUp II .. after that the US may qualify again as a tourist destination. At the moment it reminds one more of visiting Nazi Germany around 1938...

  25. Muslim women aren't having their faces scanned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they? If they're wearing a niqab. Why is that? How is that acceptable?

  26. Re: Thanks, TRUMP by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Obama already did that one. Now Trump is busy stealing it from Obama. It's been a tradition for at least the last 50 years for each President to steal the reputation of "Worst President Ever" from the previous one, and I don't see Trump as the bottom of the barrel yet.

    Who have you got that's worse than Trump? Even Kim Cardassian would be better than Trump.

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    Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  27. Re: Thanks, TRUMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    she must use a lot of makeup to hide the ridges and the reptilian skin

  28. Re: Thanks, TRUMP by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    I don't know, but I'm confident *somebody* will turn up in either 2020 or 2024. Trump only gets to act the way he does because he's taking Obama to the next level. Maybe somebody who will nuke Mexico, maybe somebody who will nuke the New York Stock Exchange, but either way, it can always get worse.

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    SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.