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Faces Are Being Scanned At US Airports With No Safeguards on Data Use (nytimes.com)

schwit1 writes: The program makes boarding an international flight a breeze: Passengers step up to the gate, get their photo taken and proceed onto the plane. There is no paper ticket or airline app. Thanks to facial recognition technology, their face becomes their boarding pass.... The problem confronting thousands of travelers, is that few companies participating in the program, called the Traveler Verification Service, give explicit guarantees that passengers' facial recognition data will be protected.

And even though the program is run by the Department of Homeland Security, federal officials say they have placed no limits on how participating companies -- mostly airlines but also cruise lines -- can use that data or store it, opening up travelers' most personal information to potential misuse and abuse such as being sold or used to track passengers' whereabouts.

The Department of Homeland Security is now using the data to track foreigners overstaying their visas, according to the Times. "After passengers' faces are scanned at the gate, the scan is sent to Customs and Border Protection and linked with other personally identifying data, such as date of birth and passport and flight information."

But the face scans are collected by independent companies, and Border Protection officials insist they have no control over how that data gets used.

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  1. Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People who did not pay their tax and wanted to sneak out of the USA on "another" passport.
    Illegal migrants who thought their "new" passport would never get cross referenced with any other US database.
    People who asked for "protection" in the USA going back for a holiday in the nation they "escaped" from for a few months.
    Criminals who created an entire fake life with a entire new passport ID story suddenly get detected from that old city/state police image :)

    Database sharing and reconciliation between city/state/federal systems is going to find a lot of faces who would have been ok if they had not risked international travel :)

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    1. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So....as long as I'm not a criminal then I'm fine? Great "examples".

    2. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I believe every story ever written of computers enforcing utopian ideals on humanity ends with all of humanity wiped out through perfect enforcement of their laws.

      I'd be surprised if even someone in a coma is not arguably violating some law at every moment given how ridiculous our laws have become.

      So, yes, as long as you're not a criminal, you're fine. Good luck with that.

    3. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Troll

      Citizens with their own passports who pay their tax on time can enjoy international travel AC.
      A criminal, an illegal migrant, a person with fake ID, a person who claimed protection going back to the nation they escaped will be detected.

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    4. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      First they came for the blacks, but I said nothing, because I was not black.

      Then they came for the Muslims, but I said nothing because I was not a Muslim.

      Then they came for the illegal aliens, but I said nothing because I was not an illegal alien.

      Then nobody came for me, because we didn’t need militarized police or a surveillance state anymore.

    5. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      So its the governments fault if a person did remember to read the date when the passport would not work?
      Then go and get a new passport? Thats for the person with the passport to try and remember AC.

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    6. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They lied. It's illegal to lie on your asylum application

    7. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      They lied.

      Not necessarily. It's entirely possible for régimes to change. So it's reasonable for Tadeusz who got political asylum in 1985 to be perfectly OK with going to visit his cousin in Poznan today.

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    8. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Teun · · Score: 1

      A list of valid reasons to use facial detection.
      But not a single one is an excuses for not having safeguards in place for who can use the biometrics and what for.
      It might be typical for US citizen to not know about privacy as a legal concept but one day you will regret these very invasive policies.

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    9. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC the person said that the nation they needed protection from was not safe for them to a very exact legal standard.
      To go back for a holiday would show that legal standing of needing that kind of protection in another nation was over. They then can return to their own nation.

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    10. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      When that change of "régimes" makes extended holidays possible, its time to return to their now safe nation.

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    11. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      When its "Ok" to go back to a nation for months on holiday that legal definition of needing international protection is over.

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    12. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      People have done that ship, jet, car, international travel for many, many decades.
      Get a passport.
      Apply to the nation and wait for an approved visa.
      Wait for that other nation to consider the visa request.
      With the correct reason for travel eg work, study, a holiday, an extended visit.
      Wait for approval from that nation and get the passport ready.
      Enjoy the visit. When things go wrong, try the embassy.

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    13. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Teun · · Score: 1

      In the mean time this ex-refugee became an upstanding member of his community where he employs 250 people.

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    14. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Getting a "tourists" visa is not a right AC.

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    15. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are completely underestimating how much administrative (or technical if considering these kinds of databases) mistakes can screw you over.

      If your country has a history of fucking over tourists (regardless of whether a tourist visa isn't a "right") then I simply won't visit. I believe many others will share my views, and this is (for example) why many refuse to visit Saudi Arabi or the UAE based on their treatment of women and human rights violations.

      You can always judge a culture by how it treats the most vulnerable.

    16. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      So you think it's OK to strip someone of their lawful permanent resident status or even citizenship just because they came from a different country.

      Thanks for confirming your xenophobia and disregard for the law. Not to mention your xenophobia and callousness. Oh, and your xenophobia, too.

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    17. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The other really great part is to count every person in and out and see if they over stayed their visa.
      The USA will finally be able to reconcile its visa use. Every legally allowed person into the USA. Every person returning to their own nation within the time of their visa :)
      The administrative side is a positive.
      The USA now has a way of knowing on the day when a person is over staying.
      The "vulnerable" will get the full support of their own nations embassy... just as they had over many decades of travel.

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    18. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      If that "permanent resident status" was only ever granted legally as protection from another nation?
      Thats why nations are so interested in people who claim legally they need full protection but then go on long holidays in the nation they claim to need protection from.
      That new citizenship might not last very long when person is found to have not told their new nation the truth when getting "lawful" new "citizenship".
      New facial recognition is going to make such holiday result in legal questions on return.

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    19. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Now if we could just use the same technology to reduce the backlog of legal visa and citizenship applications to something more reasonable than a three decade wait, we could have a real conversation about immigration.

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    20. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Either that, or the new big fashion statement among criminals is going to become glitter makeup.

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    21. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      Thats why they don't call it DUI any more, but OVI. Operating Vehicle Impaired. Meaning, overly tired can get you arrested also if the cop is an asshole

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    22. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by Spamalope · · Score: 1

      People who had a bad breakup with anyone involved with the system or know someone who is.

      People whose image had the wrong associated metadata applied to it.

      People who expose a flaw in the image matching system the vendor won't acknowledge.

      People who look very similar to someone else.

    23. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Just getting in your car to go somewhere after taking an allergy medicine can get you arrested for DUI if the cop is an a$$hole...

      How is the cop going to know to target you, unless your driving IS actually impaired?

    24. Re:Wait for the US wide database sharing by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Citizens with their own passports who pay their tax on time can enjoy international travel AC. A criminal, an illegal migrant, a person with fake ID, a person who claimed protection going back to the nation they escaped will be detected.

      Plus a bunch of completely innocent people who have been unnecessarily detained and harassed after being misidentified. I believe Bayes theorem will have something to say about this.

      https://www.wired.co.uk/articl...

    25. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Who cares, we have better technology than they do. There is NO reason, with the NSA's total information database, that we shouldn't be able to do a background check on any one of 7.5 billion human beings in less than a week.

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    26. Re: Wait for the US wide database sharing by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      You and AHuxley both appear to be confused about what "permanent resident" and "citizenship" mean.

      Meanwhile, I'm not the least bit confused about your obvious lack of empathy for and desire to kick out those damned foreigners. Strawman much?

      Just how much immigrant ancestry do you yourselves have, anyway? I'll tell you: It's 100%. Just like everyone else on the planet.

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  2. More crap for your "convenience" by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    See how the government does things? TSA, for your "safety" crap. Body searches, now face ID scans, how long until they mandate barcode tattoos or implanted ID chips? Couple that with the "convenience" of using your phone, chip card to access "money" and they'll end the use of cash, and couple all of this together and they gotcha.

    1. Re:More crap for your "convenience" by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      It is axiomatic that whenever you see a sign that starts: "For your convenience...", what it REALLY means is: "For our convenience...".

  3. Sure there are safeguards by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    if you're very wealthy then nothing bad will happen to your data and it will be well cared for.

    Oh, you meant for the rest of us? Well, if you're gonna make a two tiered justice system you've got to break some omelets or something.

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    1. Re:Sure there are safeguards by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      As bad as it sounds, putting special safeguards on data of the very wealthy is good.

      The rest of us are already protected by the fact we don't stand out. I've never been followed by paparazzi, I don't have stuff that attract professional thieves or any family member worth kidnapping for ransom, I don't have an army of suckers asking me for favors anywhere I go. So who will go out of their way to get my data? I could put my personal phone number online for everyone to see and nothing will happen since it doesn't have much more value than picking a number at random.

      Multi-tiered systems are common. Handicapped people for example are allowed priority access almost everywhere. Witnesses get special protection. It is not because they are privileged, it is because their status turn things that are benign into a very big deal.

      One could argue that being wealthy is much more desirable than being handicapped, and that they already have a lot of privileges through their connections. However, while I disagree that they should be able to do thing us mortals can't do unpunished, I also disagree with the idea of putting them at risk by treating them like the normal people they aren't. Two wrongs don't make a right you now.

    2. Re:Sure there are safeguards by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Yes. The Clintons have done horrible things in this world, haven't they?

  4. Is your face private? by Leuf · · Score: 1, Troll

    What exactly is someone going to do with a scan of your face? Is someone going to hack in and 3d print a facial mask of your face and then try to get through airport security with a plastic face? I just don't see what value this data has to anyone. I guess if you had data on a large enough group of people you could find people who are close enough matches to fool the system to yourself or other members of your group.

    1. Re:Is your face private? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      No, they'll just use it to cross-reference your other data AND know that you're out of the country.

      (Congratulations, you apparently don't know anything about databases AND you didn't even bother to read all of the summary before posting silly questions.)

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    2. Re:Is your face private? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      But if you are boarding a plane with a ticket where you checked in with a photo ID...don't they already know you are out of the country?

    3. Re:Is your face private? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Depends on how state and city privacy laws get set and what could be shared with the federal gov/mil in the past.
      Tax problems? No issued passport but the same person now has a "new" passport to go on holiday with?
      Illegal migrants wanting to go on holiday expecting their created US documents to work due to federal/state "privacy" laws.
      People who are now in the USA who told the US government they could never return to their own nation. Now going on a holiday to the nation they wanted to be protected from?

      The other databases that exist are created by the US mil of people detected in war zones and people who are supporting banned groups.
      People reported by police/mil in other nations doing bad things with bad people who just expect to exit and enter the USA on a "passport" under the cover of decades of US "privacy" regulation.

      A lot of that information and its origins would show US collection methods and cooperation so state and city police know nothing of such lists, faces.
      The only legal location for the US gov to detect is in a set number of locations eg an airport.
      So the "don't they already know you are out of the country?" is more of a way to detect every face and track people without having to share with the rest of US law enforcement what the US mil/gov/other agency knows. Still collecting on everyone who thinks they can just sneak in and out of the USA at any time.

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    4. Re:Is your face private? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Depends on who "they" are, and whether they have a legitimate reason to access such data.

      The issue is not with the taking of images, using facial recognition tech, or knowing that you're in or out of the country. The issue is whom this information gets shared with, how it can be used by them, and what safeguards it's under.

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    5. Re:Is your face private? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      If I'm so ignorant, feel free to enlighten me.

      But, no, you're not doing that, are you?

      And my fragile ego is just fine, thanks.

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    6. Re:Is your face private? by MrMr · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the US can copy the GDPR? At least you will have a legal course of action if you accidentally end up in a database you don't belong in...

  5. Re:There are FAR more important concerns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Comparing "driver's license" photos to the new airport face scans are not equivalent at all.

    You can't do too much with a single, low res, front-on, photograph, as per your driver's license.

    The airport face scans are high resolution, well lit, taken from multiple angles, use IR face profiling (like what the iPhone does), and has a very high* probability that the person being photographed is the person on the documentation.

    *Your scare mongering above not withstanding, people using other people's passports for travel is extremely rare.

    The motivation here is all about creating a much better database containing face information so that low res, off-axis, poorly lit, CCTV (and similar) video footage can be face matched, just like you see in the movies.

    That is where we are going with this, and I believe it really will be a dystopian authoritarian future. You can accept that if you want, but I, for one, do not want to.

  6. I'm surprised if anyone is surprised by this... by Flownez · · Score: 1

    I'm from Australia, I pretty much expect this when I come to the US. In fact; I'd would have been surprised if this wasn't the case.

    1. Re:I'm surprised if anyone is surprised by this... by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Surprised? No. Alarmed? Yes. Nothing I can do about it. Every time I read about these things I read the obligatory "privacy experts are concerned." Um, yeah..

  7. Re:Thanks, TRUMP by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    I fail to see how better, more objective, enforcement of the law is a bad thing.

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  8. Re: Thanks, TRUMP by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    Obama already did that one. Now Trump is busy stealing it from Obama. It's been a tradition for at least the last 50 years for each President to steal the reputation of "Worst President Ever" from the previous one, and I don't see Trump as the bottom of the barrel yet.

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  9. Re:no control over how that data gets used. by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

    Why? It's not illegal to collect data of people walking around in public spaces.

    Try taking pictures/video of police stations or Federal buildings from public property, or try photographing police/government officials in public to collect their biometric/facial-ID data.

    It would be a good idea to retain a lawyer and arrange your affairs for a long absence first, however.

    Some animals are more equal than others.

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  10. 1984 by Macdude · · Score: 1

    1984

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  11. Re:Thanks, TRUMP by pete6677 · · Score: 1

    That happened under Obama. Dumbass.

  12. Re: Thanks, TRUMP by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Obama already did that one. Now Trump is busy stealing it from Obama. It's been a tradition for at least the last 50 years for each President to steal the reputation of "Worst President Ever" from the previous one, and I don't see Trump as the bottom of the barrel yet.

    Who have you got that's worse than Trump? Even Kim Cardassian would be better than Trump.

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  13. Re: Thanks, TRUMP by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    I don't know, but I'm confident *somebody* will turn up in either 2020 or 2024. Trump only gets to act the way he does because he's taking Obama to the next level. Maybe somebody who will nuke Mexico, maybe somebody who will nuke the New York Stock Exchange, but either way, it can always get worse.

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