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Saudi Fund in Talks to Invest in Tesla Buyout Deal, Report Says (bloomberg.com)
Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund is in talks that could see it becoming a significant investor in Tesla as part of Elon Musk's plan to take the electric car maker private, Bloomberg reported Sunday, citing a person with direct knowledge of the fund's plans. From the report: The Public Investment Fund, which has built up a stake just shy of 5 percent in Tesla in recent months, is exploring how it can be involved in the potential deal, the person said on condition of anonymity. Discussions began before the controversial Aug. 7 tweet by Musk, who is Tesla's co-founder and chief executive officer, saying he was weighing a plan to take the company private. The PIF sees its investment in Tesla as a strategic way for the world's biggest crude producer to hedge against oil, the person said. The Saudi fund hasn't made any firm decisions on whether to increase its stake, or by how much, but talks are ongoing, the person said. It wasn't immediately clear how much the fund would invest in Tesla.
No, he didn't. They said talks were ongoing and there was no firm decision, which means funding was NOT secured and not at $420, per Musk's tweet, at least with the Saudi PIF.
Apparently some people have trouble understanding the difference between "having secured funding sources" and "having negotiated a deal that's ready to present to shareholders for a vote".
A year ago, Tesla had secured funding for a buyout deal from Softbank. But the deal negotiations fell apart over the level of control (Musk didn't want Softbank basically having veto authority over all company decisions).
Several years ago, Tesla had secured funding for a buyout deal from Google. But during the negotiations, Tesla's financial fortunes turned around and Musk broke off the negotiations.
There's no shortage of people out there who would consider a 20% premium not unreasonable for gaining significant control of the company (and of course its corresponding value surge when its shorts are forced to all cover at once). I estimate the total cost of the buyout to be on the order of $20-25B, maybe as much as $30B, depending on the details (a big question is who can remain on as investors). Musk obviously won't be selling his stake, and most (but not all) institutional investors seem to think that $420 is below their sell price. We're polling retail investors right now on TMC and it looks like most think $420 isn't even close to their selling point. But there's a number of regulations that may make it difficult for some parties to remain on if Tesla goes private.
With a buyout on the order of a few tens of billions of dollars, and a desire that no single party come close to a majority stake, individual investments can be expected to be on the order of a few billion dollars each. There's a great number of companies / individuals / funds out there for which this is a reasonable investment range. And the Saudi sovereign wealth fund is definitely among them. I am not privilege to the Saudis' investment structure, but the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund has a ton of investments over $1B (but only one over $8B).
Assuming ethanol comes from murdered children and the hydrogen from magic, hydrogen saves 132% more lives than ethanol.
It was actually a way to convey information to a potential investor that protects him from SEC action. He had lined up terms with one player, but he doesn't 100% like the terms. He wants to have another player provide better terms, but if he revealed to the other player he had a particular price already matched, that would be enough for them to buy in and profit. By tweeting the price and that enough funding was lined up, it is made in a public way, so he can continue negotiating with the 2nd player ASAP. He didn't bother filing with the SEC before tweeting, because he didn't want to slow things down. He could have actually been negotiating with the 2nd player right as he tweeted, and use it as a public way to reveal information without even stopping the meeting.
Do the Saudis have the money? Answer: Yes.
Does there exist a set of terms under which the Saudis would be willing to provide the money? Answer: Apparently yes.
Are terms agreed upon? Answer: No.
Are the Saudis the only player involved? Answer: No.
Summary: Is funding secured? Yes. Is a deal complete and ready to present to shareholders? No.
Apparently you were wishing that Elon had tweeted "Buyout deal for Tesla complete; all terms negotiated and ready to be voted on at next shareholder meeting".
Assuming ethanol comes from murdered children and the hydrogen from magic, hydrogen saves 132% more lives than ethanol.
Think about it... Saudi fund investing in Tesla. Oil wealth investing in disruptive technology that can potentially obviate the need for petroleum fuels. If this happens, they'll deep-six that company because it's a threat to their cash cow.
Clearly a lot of people want Musk and Tesla to fail and thought that the privatization messages that came out late last week was Musk losing it. I'm not a fanboy, but I must say there's a certain amount of amusement to be gained from seeing the posts and reactions of people who want him (and his businesses) to fail.
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Interesting theory. I can totally imagine buying a home under your definition:
Seller: "Have you secured funding for buying the house?"
Buyer: "Yes, I have a loan offer from my bank"
Seller: "Unfortunately that won't do. You see, I don't consider it 'secured' until you've accepted the bank's loan offer and have the cash on hand. Goodbye!"
Assuming ethanol comes from murdered children and the hydrogen from magic, hydrogen saves 132% more lives than ethanol.
So it's at $420, the Saudis have already agreed to the price and terms? Really? Is that why they are still negotiating?
Secured funding is binary - it either is or isn't. If it is, then terms, players, and amounts are all done. If it isn't, then negotiations are still going on. You're trying to debate that you can be a little pregnant - not gonna work.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
You know, maybe if Musk had wanted to make clear that he hadn't accepted any terms yet, he shouldn't have made any definitive statements, but rather have started off his post with something like "Am considering taking Tesla private...", and continually used words like "if we go private" multiple times, "would be", "in any scenario", etc, and only talked about "investor support".
'... oh wait.
Assuming ethanol comes from murdered children and the hydrogen from magic, hydrogen saves 132% more lives than ethanol.
A loan offer from a bank is in fact considered "secured funding" since it represents a firm commitment by the bank. I didn't say a firm commitment means an executed commitment, ie funds delivered, so you're 0 for 2 on the relevance scale for posts.
You shorts should be novelists. Seriously. I'd totally buy your books. You could be the next John Grisham.
Assuming ethanol comes from murdered children and the hydrogen from magic, hydrogen saves 132% more lives than ethanol.
Yes, you've finally gotten it right - an offer for funding is in fact considered "secured funding" in the financial world. It's the same thing when someone offers shares for sale on a stock exchange - the potential buyer hasn't contractually agreed to the seller's terms until he executes the transaction.
So - deal not secured. If you're still talking those terms, there isn't secured funding. Saudis have NOT agreed to give $420 per share if they're still negotiating all those terms. Again - it's binary. It's either secured or its not.
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The seller has nothing to do with the terms of your loan. When you have a secured loan from a bank for purchase of a house, the bank has already decided to give you the money it agreed - $500K, $250K, whatever. The ONLY terms the bank will typically place on the loan is that the house has to be worth the amount loaned, based on an independent inspection. But the money is the buyers money to use, and the seller doesn't matter at all. Terms are decided (rates, payment periods, etc) all done. Just the final validation (like an audit) to ensure the property is worth the funds.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
You obviously are one of the people taking it in the "Shorts".
Just because you can't gamble on Elon's level, you hate him; I understand that. That's normal these days.
But he won't be losing a case brought by short sellers; they will be laughed out of court.
Just watch. :)
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Having read the back and forth between the two of you, I just had to let you know that (A) you are obviously a zealot without the ability to understand the real world and in particular complex finances and (B) I will not feel very sad when you are living under a bridge because you put all your money down shorting Tesla (yes it's that obvious you have a large stake).
Musk isn't going anywhere, except going to take Tesla private... I'll post back in a year or so to laugh at you, maybe you can read it on a library terminal.
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Musk did have something concrete ? Shocking!
Yeah, I stopped believing anything Musk says anymore, ever since he came up with this ludicrous fantasy about sending his car in space.
He wasn't asked. Some account on Twitter "asked" him. No one is buying it. No one really wanted him there.
Your information on Saudis is outdated. Bin Salman changed the state's policy to "prepare for post-oil economy" when he came to power.
Tesla fits the bill.