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Vaping Can Damage Vital Immune System Cells, Researchers Find (bbc.co.uk)
Vaping can damage vital immune system cells and may be more harmful than previously thought, a study suggests. Researchers found e-cigarette vapour disabled important immune cells in the lung and boosted inflammation. From a report: The researchers "caution against the widely held opinion that e-cigarettes are safe." However, Public Health England advises they are much less harmful than smoking and people should not hesitate to use them as an aid to giving up cigarettes. The small experimental study, led by Prof David Thickett, at the University of Birmingham, is published online in the journal Thorax. Previous studies have focused on the chemical composition of e-cigarette liquid before it is vaped. In this study, the researchers devised a mechanical procedure to mimic vaping in the laboratory, using lung tissue samples provided by eight non-smokers. They found vapour caused inflammation and impaired the activity of alveolar macrophages, cells that remove potentially damaging dust particles, bacteria and allergens.
Give us a damn break
so is this the fault of PG in the liquid?
What vaping devices did they test? What materials were the coils built of? What type of cotton was used? Was it a VG or PG mix? I mean I realize that they ran these tests for 48 whole hours, but really, who pays for this garbage to get published? a 48 hour research study is about as reliable as using flatulence to measure climate change.
vaping isnt suppose to be safe. inhaling anything other than oxygen is bad for your lungs. the purpose of vaping is to ween yourself off of cigarettes and is a substitute for cigarettes. i am a firm believer that vaping is better for your lungs than cigarettes. its the less lethal alternative.
I inject nicotine into my scrotum. It was a little strange at first, but after you do it 5 or 10 or 20 times a day, it becomes second nature.
Don't worry, the government will allow it to get a good foothold before trying to get another "tobacco settlement" out of this one again.
You can always move. We'd be glad to see your bitch ass go to Mexico and prove to us how wrong we are about their "culture."
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Stop Warning people, let them kill themselves.
Fewer hipsters? Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
A coffee cup could also be considered a drug delivery device, so what?
They're at it in blatantly obvious ways ever since e-cigs became popular. Somebody cut into their mass-murder profits! Oh noes! (Yes, it is deliberate and willful mass-murder.)
Yeah, nicotine smoke is not the best thing. Neither is alcohol, caffeine, sugar/starch, saturated fat, salt, city air, all that shit in cosmetics and industry "food", etc, etc, etc.
We use them anyway, because what's the point of having a life if you're not living any? You can live a 100 years physically, but only 10 mentally. And you can live only 33.3 years, but 100 mentally. (Or 100 years, and 300 mentally.)
Not that I could ever follow the point of any kind of smoking. I was never one of those always-anxious Morty types.
But e-cigs are still better than cigarettes, and actually the best way to get rid of the cigarette addiction!
Because other than cigarettes, pure nicotine is barely addictive at all, and very easy to reduce and stop using.
Meanwhile, cigarettes are literally as addictive as heroin. While being all but completely useless after the body got used to the dosage. And costing a shitload of money.
So yeah, e-cigs are awesome, specifically because they are a gateway drug. Gateway to getting rid of that shit!
The experts also recommended that all smokers switch to vaping immediately.
Actually it's still less deadly than pretend-cowboy faggots like Hogfagjock here and their burning mouth fetish laced with formaldehyde. You can't die of cancer soon enough lol, angry old bitch. Your lawn has shit on it.
You're going to lose your mind when Trump secures his second term.
I will have a drink on election night and think of all you pitiful left trolls here and smile.
Know what's the best and most pleasant thing to inhale into your lungs? CLEAN AIR.
Interesting idea, where might I find some of this clean air to put into my lungs?
I never thought to search for some on Amazon but... woah, whatdya know
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Sounds delish, I just ordered a can and will let you know how it goes!
> They said some of the effects were similar to those seen in regular smokers and people with chronic lung disease.
> The review concluded there was "overwhelming evidence" they were far safer than smoking and "of negligible risk to bystanders" and advised they should be available on prescription because of how successful they had been in helping people give up smoking.
These are horrible things to overlook in the article.
> The researchers "caution against the widely held opinion that e-cigarettes are safe."
Not a widely held opinion. At all. Not smoking is safer than vaping is safer than cigarettes. Everyone knows that, even my clinically retarded cousins.
Don't quit your day job.
He's already secured a LIFE term, moron. You still don't get it do you, lol. Mueller isn't going to go away. This ends badly for your obese nazi lying moron antihero. His traitor sons, plural, may beat him to Federal prison. (Feckless)
Trump himself is slowly realizing all of this. How is it even possible that you're dumber than he is and don't see it yet, lol? #Stiff upper anus, prison snowflakes.
It boogles the mind to see how far people will go to keep being addicted to a substance that will ruin their health and eventually kill them.
Is there some kind of suicidal gene in the human genome ? And if so, how did it manage to survive after millions of years of natural selection ?
Actually it's still less deadly than pretend-cowboy faggots like Hogfagjock here and their burning mouth fetish laced with formaldehyde. You can't die of cancer soon enough lol, angry old bitch. Your lawn has shit on it.
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He might die of cancer, but you will live as a puerile jerkoff.
That was the trick, the last time the tobacco Mafia ("industry") did a "study".
It was dragged through all the cock-sucking "news" for months, and even today, often still is.
Ancient devices that still had all those teething problems, like burning their coils.
I don't even smoke nor vape, and I know that shit.
Since so many friends of mine managed to get rid of their cigarette addiction via e-cigs. (Many people still smoke in Germany. The tobacco lobby is very powerful here.) As the pure nicotine is easy to reduce gradually to zero. And at 35 cents a pack-equivalent here in Germany, compared to 6-10 EUR for a normal pack, it's insanely cheap. It was a godsend to two guys I know, who had very little money until recently.
So does breathing the air in California. Nothing, meet burger. I'd imagine for most people it's negligable, just like breathing said air.
Im sorry but this is pure FUD. From the study... they didnt use a vaporizer. They took healthy cells and BATHED it in a PG/VG + nic solution (aka ejuice). Sorry but that is not a legit way of study. Vapers dont snort ejuice. They vaporize it. Inhale the vapor and EXHALE. Usually in short 2-3 second bursts.
Bath healthy cells in water and there will be damage too.
All for science and finding out how to make vaping safer... but FFS study it and do legit science. Not paid for shilling.
These details are in the paper. In particular, they did not test any device but just exposure to the chemicals which they note may not provide the same levels seen by actual people who vape. I think it's unreasonable to expect this level of detail in a popular news site given that they are writing a few paragraphs for a general audience. The paper is there for those who want this level of detail.
Also, somewhat ironically, cow flatulence actually is important for determining climate change!
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True that. But just forget about clean air if you're living in most urban areas.
Are you really bothered by the fact that people might be doing something vaguely harmful to themselves, or is it some other stylistic aspect of "vapers" that you don't like?
I mean, I watch people consume known toxin ethyl alcohol all the time and despite their occasionally destructive and violent behavior, I don't get quite as angry as you seem to be at vapers.
I don't really care about vapers, it looks fairly silly in practice but I can't think of a reason to be mad at them. But boy, a lot of people seem to heap hate on vapers.
They are significantly safer than cigarettes. All else is people wittingly or not in service to big tobacco trying to get the competition expensively regulated or outlawed.
"Which would be sweet!" said B. T. "Let's get scientists who wanna make a name cluelessly working on our behalf".
"With any luck, anyone who points this out will get downmodded by another clueless helper!"
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Obviously this was a flawed study - independent researchers with an agenda just butting their noses in where they don't belong. Why not let only the manufacturers conduct their own fair-handed studies and let consumers decide?
Particles get trapped in your lungs and cause continued irritation.
I never thought vaping had zero negative effect, but I'd bet it's still better for us than smoking regular cigarettes.
Putting A CLOUD OF CHEMICALS into your lungs, might damage it? What will they think of next!
it's the wild wild west right now. You don't really know what you're getting when it comes to vaping.
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Bothered? I encourage it! If people want to harm themselves, go for it. Fewer idiots to deal with every day. Just don't expect me to pay for their medical bills or offer any sympathy. Actions have consequences and all that.
How you think I'm mad at them is unknown.
After (speed) reading the method supplement on the paper, I am satisfied that dry-vaping was not a factor in the experiment. Metal particle composition is known to go up when "burning" coils, which would be a significant concern with long term use.
However there are two questions I am still left with.
1. Was the intake distance between the the coil and lung tissue a reasonable analog? Was the air to vapor mixture an adequate analog? These will affect the mean temperature of the vapor which comes into contact with the lung tissue. The air continues to mix with the vapor oils as it is suctioned into the body. I myself don't chase the flavor, so I leave my vaporizer at it's maximum air intake position.
2. Was the tissue saturation level a reasonable analog? I acknowledge that lungs don't take in the vapor evenly, this is a very well known phenomenon from studying tobacco smoking and is reasonable to expect with vaping. However I get the feeling the experiment may have overstated the saturation levels of the vaporized oil over lung tissue surface, either by net deposited weight or by way of it's composition which includes a lot of mixed-in air with maximum air-flow configurations.
Signed,
An A-Lyst
Didnt know the term âvapingâ so at first glanze of the title I thought this was about fapping..... thank god I was wrong..... Now back to fapping.
He is quoted at the end of the article as saying:
They are safer in terms of cancer risk
I don't believe e-cigarettes are more harmful than ordinary cigarettes
The article even mentions an independent review of the latest evidence on e-cigarettes was published by Public Health England in February.
The review concluded there was "overwhelming evidence" they were far safer than smoking and "of negligible risk to bystanders" and advised they should be available on prescription because of how successful they had been in helping people give up smoking.
I owe e-cigs profoundly for making it possible, after near a decade of failed attempts, for me to finally quit nicotine (via a strict program of concentration reduction, mixing my own to the specified % on the slow curve toward 0). That said, after several years of use I experienced recurring incredibly painful zits/ingrown hairs inside my nostrils, which would occasionally pass all the way through to the outside of my nose... as in I would pull a nose hair from the outside of my nose. This effectively ceased when I stopped using e-cigs (likely a PG base), then returned when I started to use e-cig style THC with an (allegedly) hemp derived VG base, and again ceased when I stopped. Vaporizing plant matter directly hasn't led to the presentation of this symptom. Using plant matter also has the advantage of providing much greater confidence that there's nothing else hidden in the mix, such as nicotine; given the widely unregulated nature of this product, it's only a matter of time...
Yup, and so is a bottle of soda/red bull/monster energy/Starbucks sitting on your desk. All that sugar in there is also a drug, one that kills: https://www.livescience.com/51385-sugary-drinks-global-deaths.html
OK, that's not true (probably). But the methodology in the study was bollocks. They spent only 48 hours doing the testing. Perhaps a year or two might supply some more credible results.
I imagine it's a due to it being associated with teenagers, and not the popular kind either. Of course, tobacco companies are entirely happy to keep promoting that image as well.
Personally I couldn't care less about vapers unless they're blowing smoke in my face.
Actually my doctor does recommend it to smokers.
Nicotine itself does not have a lot of bad side effects. It is all the other stuff in cigarettes that are bad for you and destroy your lungs.
I have to breathe your vape smoke.
You can't drink my ethanol.
Fuck off
I would just punch you in the face and take your pint off, you sound like a right little nerd cunt.
If your doctor told you nicotine itself doesn't have a lot of bad side effects, you should get a new doctor. It's a stimulant. It comes with all the health hazards of other stimulants (basically increases stress levels which leads to increased cortizol which increases inflammation, blood pressure and chance of heart disease and heart attack). There's also evidence that it encourages blood vessel growth which means it helps cancer grow, even if it doesn't cause cancer itself.
Are you really bothered by the fact that people might be doing something vaguely harmful to themselves, or is it some other stylistic aspect of "vapers" that you don't like?
I mean, I watch people consume known toxin ethyl alcohol all the time and despite their occasionally destructive and violent behavior, I don't get quite as angry as you seem to be at vapers.
I don't really care about vapers, it looks fairly silly in practice but I can't think of a reason to be mad at them. But boy, a lot of people seem to heap hate on vapers.
B-B-B-B-but Big Vape or whatever nonsense they've created.
Vape fluid MAY have some negative side effects we don't know about, lets compare that to burning tobacco. Whatever nebulous effects the fluid might have its got to be better than the confirmed highly cancerous substance it's meant to replace. I've switched two of my relatives from being life long smokers to being vapers. They can now sit inside with relatives, taste food and realise how bad other smokers smell and they now have a smaller chance of dying from a horrible cancer.
Sure some vapers are knobs but they're not as bad as regular smokers. I'd rather walk through a sickly sweet smelling cloud than acrid tobacco smoke.
I've read the entire thing as "we wanted to get our names in the paper".
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties. We all die in the end.
Inhaling smoke into your breathing apparatus.
Of course that isn't safe. It can be various degrees of unhealthy, and some ways are faster and more damaging than others, but obviously that isn't healthy.
The question is how unhealthy, not if.
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Oh look, the vape addicts had mod points and I pissed them off! Would someone who is NOT a vaping addict and has mod points please fix that? Thanks.
There's such a thing as 'decaffeinated coffee', and coffee in general has some positive health affects, and if you drink decaf then there's NO downside to it.
So, how long have you been a vaping addict? Any other history of substance abuse? Alcoholism? Meth addiction?
I'm mostly inclined to think that it's some kind knee-jerk moralism. Smoking is "bad" not just because of its health effects but because it involves drug consumption for pleasure.
Vaping is the moral equivalent, so it must be just as bad in spite of less health effects because of morality.
I'm fairly convinced that if you invented a drug that had the same pleasurable effects of heroin but was magically free of addiction, overdose or any other measurable health side affects most of the same people enraged about opiate use would be just as enraged about this drug.
They make out like it's the *health* effects that they're wound up about, but really it's some kind of Calvinistic moralism that opposed to pleasure without some kind of pain.
Subtance abusers will always defend their addiction, Rick, even if they make no sense when they do.
..let us tax it. That solves the problem.
You looked way too hard. Here.
Nicotine also has some health benefits once divorced from combustion products. And I'm pretty sure most of those cups aren't filled with decaf.
So how long have you been sniffing your own farts?
Oh wow sick burn dude.
Were they using normal cheap gas station flavored juice or pure unflavored juice? If flavored, then what flavor(s)?
It seems generally the worst part is the [undefined] stuff in the flavoring.
omg how could I forget that scene! Thanks for that one.
Surprisingly (to me) the link I ran with was actually the 3rd amazon result for "clean air", right after an air cleaner machine and, for some reason, a power converter for a plasma cutter...
Anything that hastens the demise of vapers and smokers is fine by me
That's ok. However don't you dare put a straw in that drink. Even though straws contribute a very small fraction of plastic to oceans side of fishing nets. Let's put you in jail if you use a straw.
I'd like to see scientific research because I don't really believe anyone died from it. It seems to me that the cigarette has a worse effect on the body than VAPE. I think that all agree with this.
A "small study" doing it in such a way that isn't even vaping. Total garbage.
I was finally able to kick my 20+ year habit on 8/13/2012 thanks to vaping. I have a weakened respiratory system from childhood asthma and used to get one, if not two bouts of bronchitis every year as a smoker. Since I quit? Not a single one. It may not be completely "safe", but it is certainly safer. I'll take my odds with the health benefits that I've seen :)
I vape, but I always buy zero-nicotine. I enjoy the flavours and it's a great way to force myself to breathe deeply and calmly if I'm about to have an anxiety attack. I wonder if these studies apply to all vapour, or just nicotinized vapour?
I came to this Article expecting. "But the study is wrong, I blame Big Tobacco! it's a conspiracy!".
I found it.
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