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SpaceX Reveals the Controls of Its Dragon Spacecraft For the First Time (arstechnica.com)

On Monday, SpaceX let reporters take a look inside its Crew Dragon capsule for the first time, as well as hear from the four astronauts: Bob Behnken, Doug Hurley, Victor Glover and Mike Hopkins. Ars Technica writes about several pieces of hardware observed at the event in Hawthorne, California: During the event at SpaceX, engineers guided reporters through various displays. Outside, under a resplendent blue sky with the rolling hills of Palos Verdes in the distance, media was invited to crawl into a low-fidelity mockup of the crew Dragon spacecraft. This was a roomy vehicle, especially in comparison to NASA's current ride to the space station, a cramped Soyuz with a capacity of three. The Dragon will comfortably carry a normal complement of four for NASA, but seven seats can fit inside. On the second floor of its main factory, where astronauts have trained in recent years, SpaceX also showed off two simulators publicly for the first time. This marked the first time SpaceX has revealed details about the controls and the interior of its crewed spacecraft. The cockpit simulator demonstrated the controls that Dragon astronauts will have at their command. In comparison to the space shuttle and its more than 1,000 buttons, switches, and controls, the Dragon capsule has a modest array of three flat screens and two rows of buttons below.

These touch screens selectively display the necessary controls during flight and are the primary interface astronauts have with the vehicle. Below are two rows of manual buttons, 38 in total, that provide back-up control of the spacecraft. Many of the buttons are situated beneath clear panels, intended to never be used, because they are often the third option after the touch screens and ground control of the Dragon. One control stood out -- a large black and red handle in the middle of the console with "EJECT" printed in clear white letters above it. This initiates the launch escape system, which rapidly pulls the spacecraft away from the rocket in the case of an emergency during the ascent into space. It must be pulled, then twisted. Normally the flight computers would initiate such a maneuver, but the prominence of the escape system handle underlines its importance. Notably, after the vehicle reaches orbit, this control becomes "deadened," such that accidentally pulling it in space would do nothing.
CNBC has included several pictures of the Crew Dragon capsule mock-up in their report. CNN also has a first look video with text and quotes from the astronauts.

119 comments

  1. this control becomes "deadened," by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

    this control becomes "deadened," such that accidentally pulling it in space would do nothing.

    Cool, the whole thing looks neat. Too bad I'll never get to ride in it, as a pilot OR a passenger. (Well, maybe ashes, but I doubt I'd pass the fitness exam even then.)

    That being said: After a successful launch and orbit insertion -- Musk: "Here, hold my beer and watch this! You just need to pull and turn it the other way and ... "

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    1. Re: this control becomes "deadened," by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually studies by NASA have determined that being fit is negatively correlated by how quickly and how badly muscles deteriorate over time.
      Not being fit allows you to stay in space longer with less negative consequences.

    2. Re: this control becomes "deadened," by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      media was invited to crawl into a low-fidelity mockup of the crew Dragon spacecraft

      Key word is MOCKUP....

    3. Re: this control becomes "deadened," by Immerman · · Score: 1

      >Not being fit allows you to stay in space longer with less negative consequences.

      I'm not sure that follows. It makes sense that the more (now mostly unused) muscle mass you have, the faster you'll lose it. But as you lose it you become less fit, and the rate of loss will presumably slow down,eventually reaching the levels of the originally unfit person you now resemble. So essentially being fit would buy you more time up front, and thus more total time, before your body degrades to the point that returning to Earth becomes dangerous.

      Though, on the other hand it may depend on how they're defining fitness - if you take two people with the same muscle mass, but one person is significantly overweight, then it makes sense that the fat person's muscles will deteriorate more slowly, since they're getting more exercise moving their greater inertia around in microgravity.

      Though I suppose there may be other, more subtle biological effects at work as well.

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    4. Re: this control becomes "deadened," by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      this control becomes "deadened,"

      What illiterate journalist pulled that word out? The proper term is "defeated" or "disabled." "Deadened" is correctly used when, e.g., lowering sound pressure by 80 dB. Or, I suppose, getting rid of a pesky relative, " ... took a gun and deadened him"

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    5. Re: this control becomes "deadened," by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      this control becomes "deadened," such that accidentally pulling it in space would do nothing.

      Hopefully this eject disable includes a manually operated hardware interlock, so if the onboard AI turns against the crew, it won't be able to set the crew members adrift in space.

  2. its time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its great they can finally will be able to fly on their own.
    a bid deal and huge step up from all those fake movie studio flights..... or russian airship charters...

  3. Re:Imagine by thesupraman · · Score: 2

    I think you mean thank you mr musk for providing the government with much cheaper launch vehicles so they can save money versus ula that they can now spend on the poor and disadvantaged.

  4. Touchscreens? by Erik+Hensema · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have trouble operating touchscreens in a moving car. I wonder what it'll be to operate them atop a rocket pulling multiple g's.

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    1. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was just thinking this. Imagine The Right Stuff and From the Earth to the Moon all done with touch screens. Haha. Of course, it works on Star Trek.

    2. Re:Touchscreens? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      Don't forget things like power issues. Waiting on a computer to boot seems like it adds unnecessary overhead when a problem eventually develops.

    3. Re:Touchscreens? by BlacKSacrificE · · Score: 2

      There is a panel of buttons and a dirty great abort handle beneath the touchscreens to perform required operations during launch, once you are out of atmos there is no G loading or aerodynamic buffeting to cause problems getting the touch screen right. The thing basically flies itself to orbital insertion anyway, the crew are for the most part passengers.

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    4. Re:Touchscreens? by darthsilun · · Score: 1

      I can't tell you how many times I've touched a touch screen button –, car, phone, etc. – and had it not register the touch. Now imagine doing it in space suit gloves.
      Or how many times i've touched a button off-center and had the neighboring button fire.

    5. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't think that they have a team of very expensive Human Factors research scientists who have thought about this very scenario?

    6. Re:Touchscreens? by jythie · · Score: 2

      Years back I worked on (non-mobile, 15"+) touch screen based devices. The larger the screen, the more likely it is to run into issues with calibration and more sensitive it is to things like minor pressure changes in its mounting frame. A good rule of thumb is to never use them in anything important.

    7. Re:Touchscreens? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Star Trek has inertial dampeners that eliminate the G forces. And they have climate controlled spaceships where you dont need to wear space suits.

    8. Re:Touchscreens? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Presumably these will be crappy resistive touchscreens too, so that they work with gloves. They tend to be more fiddly and prone to calibration problems than capacitative screens.

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    9. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget things like power issues. Waiting on a computer to boot seems like it adds unnecessary overhead when a problem eventually develops.

      What do you expect? Manual control during launch where a minute change in heading may lead to catastrophic outcomes?

    10. Re:Touchscreens? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      and had it not register the touch. Now imagine doing it in space suit gloves

      I have never not had a touch register while wearing gloves that were designed to interact with a touch screen.

      Or how many times i've touched a button off-center and had the neighboring button fire.

      That is a problem on a mobile phone. Hardly an issue on a large panel.

    11. Re:Touchscreens? by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 1

      A good rule of thumb is to never use them in anything important.

      Someone should have told the designer of the movie ticket dispensing machine. It's not unusual for the touch screens to be unresponsive and/or have massive dead spots over the virtual buttons. If you're really lucky, one machine out of a half dozen will behave perfectly.

    12. Re: Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for all the times they dont and have to use all those manual helm sticks, override levers and rotor/pry bars.

    13. Re: Touchscreens? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      In Tesla, ppl love them over regular car because of things like all controls being on touch screen. So, it should be easier.

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    14. Re:Touchscreens? by gman003 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The crew has no control over the Falcon launch vehicle - the only control they need to be able to operate during launch, while pulling multiple Gs, is the abort sequence, which is that nice big lever in the center. The touchscreens (and all the other buttons) will only be used while in orbit.

    15. Re:Touchscreens? by gman003 · · Score: 1

      SpaceX has designed their flight suits with little pads on the fingers to allow the operation of capacitive touchscreens.

    16. Re:Touchscreens? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      You are aware that rocket launches are fully automated? All the astronauts will do is pull the abort lever.

    17. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have trouble operating touchscreens in a moving car. I wonder what it'll be to operate them atop a rocket pulling multiple g's.

      I predict that it will be TOUCHY!

    18. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember when such things were touch screen CRT monitors, though I've only seen them for buying train tickets. I think they all worked, and had four-color graphics or such. This is what Windows 8 should have been! Imagine the Windows 8 home screen, but all squares (and rectangles) are the same colors and they only lead you to other series of squares.
      On these old systems though, you're using glass on top of glass and that made hitting your target tricky. (some LCD systems are like that too?!)
      You could miss when using the on-screen keyboard. At least when you're typing your destination, keyboard keys that you don't need get blanked out! (because there are only so many towns with a train station beginning with xyz)

      Someone should have told the designer of the movie ticket dispensing machine.

      I must be a dinosaur, when I was a kid I remember leaded gasoline and pay phones (and the space shuttle) and mice had no scrollwheel and the laptops had a black and white monitor and a small ball for the mouse! But in these old backwards times, when they really wanted to use a computerized vending machine with few choices for the user, they used a non-touch screen. If applicable, a keypad to enter the PIN for your debit card (I did recently use a kiosk where there there were two keypads, because the pay machine is a separate computer). Well, most of these non-touch machines were video poker or arcade video games. That's right, they let you play video games! And you could even play with a friend, standing next to each other and playing on the same screen.

    19. Re:Touchscreens? by Train0987 · · Score: 1

      Or touched the screen and have it inadvertently register on the button next to what I was trying to do...

    20. Re: Touchscreens? by Train0987 · · Score: 1

      Until the single touchscreen dies or the LED backlight goes out and the entire car can't be driven.

    21. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waiting on a computer to boot seems like it adds unnecessary overhead when a problem eventually develops.

      As opposed to... what, exactly?

      Every space craft since Apollo, and probably before that, had computers on board to control the craft.

    22. Re: Touchscreens? by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Better to have a knob you can turn and press without taking your eyes off the road as much.

    23. Re:Touchscreens? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Wow, that sounds like a terrible decision. What happens if the pad gets damaged or you need to operate it with something other than the finger of the suit?

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    24. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There is a panel of buttons"

      go look at the pictures, their panel of buttons doesn't look like actual physical buttons but the same technology as the touch screen.

      https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp...

      https://giphy.com/embed/8w9gPz...

    25. Re:Touchscreens? by BlacKSacrificE · · Score: 2

      From TFA

      Many of the buttons are situated beneath clear panels, intended to never be used, because they are often the third option after the touch screens and ground control of the Dragon.

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    26. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely don't launch on patch Tuesday, "Do not turn off your computer, configuring updates" for 2 hours.

    27. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol - you're an idiot.

    28. Re:Touchscreens? by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      They would presumably use the buttons below the screen.', or whatever needs to be done would be from ground control.

      Why would "you need to operate it with something other than...". Are strapped in cosmonauts getting their suits shredded off, or their fingers cut in that scenario?

    29. Re:Touchscreens? by PPH · · Score: 1

      They'll use the WASD keys. And the space bar for a hyperspace jump.

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    30. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having been involved in Space Suit design, I'm thinking this whole thing looks like my Industrial Designers concept drawings. Which the ultimate final product bore no resemblance to.

      Yes I thought the same thing, touchscreens in a high g and high vibration environment?

    31. Re:Touchscreens? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Never, ever base your console design on Star Trek. Those things explode and kill their operators every week.

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    32. Re: Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that they took away 3D physical knobs and buttons with physical feedback, I don't know about the expenditure but I do know they didn't gathered the proper experts.

    33. Re: Touchscreens? by cellocgw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Until the single touchscreen dies or the LED backlight goes out and the entire [Tesla] car can't be driven.

      Sigh...
      If you blooming geniuses would stop thinking that knowing Javascript means you know shit about anything else, you'd take the time to learn that Teslas drive just fine with both displays hung or rebooting. I've rebooted the main panel more than once while the car's in motion.

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    34. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The chunks of jagged rocks are blown out of those!

    35. Re: Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do you get this crap? You think you're going to be able to hold your net stay enough to hit a touch screen button while shaking under G? Every tried to use a touch screen wet with water or condensate? I'm all for technology, but the people looking at this system and noting that it's a stupid risk to take. Waterproof hardware buttons with shields and protective anti press hoops are far safer.

    36. Re:Touchscreens? by magarity · · Score: 1

      Never, ever base your console design on Star Trek. Those things explode and kill their operators every week.

      If only someone in the 25th century could invent a fuse along with faster than light travel.

    37. Re: Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Apollo and the earlier Gemini both had digital flight computers and generally flew fully-automatically, although the AGC could go into a fly-by-wire mode with a joystick like the Enterprise in Insurrection.

      The even earlier Mercury capsule had an analogue computer and manual controls, although those only worked once in orbit and the launch from Earth was fully automatic.

    38. Re:Touchscreens? by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Wow, that sounds like a terrible decision. What happens if the pad gets damaged or you need to operate it with something other than the finger of the suit?

      There is a 6th touch compatible surface on the crotch of the suits for male astronauts and auto-injected erectile drugs for emergencies such as the scenario you are eluding to where all their fingers spontaneously fall off their hands during launch.

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    39. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are going to be big problems with accidental touches.
      Mechanical switches often features bump guards, safety covers, bump safe designs...
      Zero G, limbs and stuffs are going to be flying around.
      It's even worse during thruster activation where anything not nailed down/limbs will follow Newton's first law of maintaining old course.

    40. Re:Touchscreens? by hawk · · Score: 1

      That's preposterous: WASD is for the *copilot*. Player 1 uses hjkl, prefixed by g if he doesn't want to pick up what's on the space.

      hawk

    41. Re:Touchscreens? by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      It makes sense of all movies of space forces covering interstellar distances at superluminal speeds only to engage the enemy like 18th century navies. Plus flaming fireballs and thunderous explosions in the vacuum of space.

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    42. Re:Touchscreens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever driven a Tesla? No? Didn't think so.

    43. Re: Touchscreens? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      except that with a touchscreen, you do not take your eye off the road anymore than you would with a knob

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    44. Re: Touchscreens? by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Clearly false, with a knob I can just feel it. With a screen you have to look and make sure you're pressing the right place.

    45. Re: Touchscreens? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      There you go again.
      Cars have a few turn knobs, but most are pushbuttons, just like a touch screen. You will not know EXACTLY WHICH button to push unless you glance and make sure that you are there.
      WIth Tesla, we have the most important controls on the steering wheel which controls the fan, loudness, radio station/track, phone calls, etc.
      With the side screen, I use it mostly to see the back cam.

      Ppl who who claim that they are not taking their eyes off the road are liars. After all, they are looking in the side and rear mirrors, or better be. And I have no doubt that all those making that claim, are making phone calls or even texting. Look at the controls on the dragon. The most important one is EJECT. The craft does the rest, though you can certainly take control if needed/wanted. But why would you? The only place that you will get buffeting will be in the lower atmosphere. Once in space, nothing. If docking and then taking control, the pilot will be looking at the instruments on the touch screens. IOW, they will be looking right where the controls are. Issue solved.

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    46. Re: Touchscreens? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Back when we got our car, yeah, we had to boot a couple of times.
      BUT, it has been forever since we have re-booted either screens or computers.
      They have this fairly stable. At least for an old 2013 model.

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    47. Re: Touchscreens? by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      There you go again.

      There you go again.

      Cars have a few turn knobs, but most are pushbuttons, just like a touch screen. You will not know EXACTLY WHICH button to push unless you glance and make sure that you are there.

      Buttons give tactile feedback. Screens do not. Buttons can be different shapes and sizes.

      WIth Tesla, we have the most important controls on the steering wheel which controls the fan, loudness, radio station/track, phone calls, etc. With the side screen, I use it mostly to see the back cam.

      With every other car you can have the same.
      Ask yourself this though, and then go check. Are all those things on the steering wheel buttons or little tiny touchscreens? I wonder why...

      Ppl who who claim that they are not taking their eyes off the road are liars. After all, they are looking in the side and rear mirrors, or better be. And I have no doubt that all those making that claim, are making phone calls or even texting.

      Lets quote again what I said and you failed to understand

      Better to have a knob you can turn and press without taking your eyes off the road as much.

      People can glance once to find the right knob, (even that is often unnecessary with good design) and then use it without looking further. Try doing that on a touchscreen with little tiny icons you have to accurately press with no tactile feedback. Screens take much more attention away from the road than buttons.

    48. Re: Touchscreens? by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      I don't remember ever having to reboot the buttons and knobs on any car I've driven...

    49. Re:Touchscreens? by martinfb · · Score: 1

      In the Dragon, you'll likely not have other (drivers) around you vying for road space, drawing your attention; at least for the first year or so! ;-)

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    50. Re: Touchscreens? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      which has nothing to do with tesla. Nothing critical is rebooted.
      However, with the antiquated cars buttons, you get a rack of buttons (radio, hvac, etc) and then you supposedly 'know' which one is which by the feel.
      Yeah. Right.
      How do you know where the 3rd radio button is without glancing.

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    51. Re:Touchscreens? by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      The giphy isn't even of the same setup - it has three vertical panels, the ars technica shows them as horizontal.

    52. Re: Touchscreens? by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Grab the giant knob without looking and turn it. Some people have peripheral vision, we aren't all one eyed Musk fanbois who can see nothing but what they want to see.
      Radio controls would be on the steering wheel anyway.

      Alternatively 3 would be in the middle of a row of five and the middle has a bump so you know it's the middle. Press that one.

    53. Re: Touchscreens? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      How many turn knobs in your car? Why it must be a unique one if you think you have more than a couple. In my radio, not a single button is different. Iow, no raised plastic like a keyboard. Same on my heater. And the last thing a driver should do is be feeling around. Glance quickly and get it done. Everybody does that in spite of your lying.

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    54. Re: Touchscreens? by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      How many turn knobs in your car?

      I'm a 50c Chinese troll remember. I'm saving up for my first rickshaw. Then I can have 2 jobs and just troll you in my downtime.
      Just Google car dashboards and take your pick.

      Why it must be a unique one if you think you have more than a couple. In my radio, not a single button is different. Iow, no raised plastic like a keyboard. Same on my heater.

      Not sure why you feel the need to tell us you have a poorly designed car? Maybe with your expensive American troll posts you will be able to afford a better one soon.

      And the last thing a driver should do is be feeling around. Glance quickly and get it done. Everybody does that in spite of your lying.

      Glance quick and get it done, yes with a botton that feels different and has tactile feedback. Not glance slowly. focus on finding the right icon, glance at the road maybe if your 'carefull' while carefully pressing the touchscreen and watching to see if the press was registered correctly.
      Like I said, take your eyes of as much
      Where did I lie? More baseless accusations from a known lying scumbag that is you Windy.

  5. Touch screens on space boats? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Three touch screens and lack of buttons... there are some physical knobs hard to tell from the images... overall looks painful.

    High G's...Vibrations...space suite gloves and touch screens??

    1. Re:Touch screens on space boats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gene Roddenberry decided in 1987 that humans would never explore the universe without touchscreens and voice controls, so god dammit you're going to get fucking touchscreens whether they make sense or not!

      Unless you're one of those morons who think tech companies should occasionally produce things that *weren't* just ripped directly off from crappy scifi.

    2. Re:Touch screens on space boats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've almost certainly thought if this fairly obvious issue. Chances are the UI will be easy to use in such circumstances. There will probably be large on screen buttons and intuitive interfaces. As to gravity, this has always been an issue in space capsules. Astronauts have almost always had to deal with sitting at launch in a reclined position and having controls above them.

    3. Re: Touch screens on space boats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The biggest problem in outer space is radiation. And nobody has a clue how to solve it.

    4. Re:Touch screens on space boats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope the glass on those screens is super reinforced. Imagine taking a fall and banging your head on it or dropping something and cracking the screen.
      I guess/hope that ground control could fully bring the ship back if they needed to if that were to ever happen (?)

    5. Re:Touch screens on space boats? by gman003 · · Score: 1

      G-force and vibration are only an issue during launch, and Falcon is entirely autonomous. The only control active during that period is the abort sequence, which can be triggered by that big lever in the middle.

    6. Re:Touch screens on space boats? by drsquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well done on the analysis, you should tell SpaceX and NASA right now, they clearly know nothing about spaceflight.

    7. Re: Touch screens on space boats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right - that that's why there's no computers or robots outside of earth.

      [[face-palm]]

      Come on man, think before you type.

    8. Re:Touch screens on space boats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      G-force and vibration are only an issue during launch, and Falcon is entirely autonomous.

      Re-entry? Condensation? Gyro problem?

    9. Re:Touch screens on space boats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that - then look at all the shitty UI's shoved down people's throats.

      If you are forced into "large" screen buttons and inuitive interfaces, why bother at all ? (Big red button / big green button?)

      Tactile buttons, switches - easily reading a board of switches and seeing what is on/off - not navigating your touch screen to a diag menu ...

      This *seems* stupid to me - but I admit I hate touch screens, because for every single thing I use them for they are worse. And I don't fly spacecraft, so hey, perhaps my experience doesn't translate.

    10. Re:Touch screens on space boats? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      Well done on the analysis, you should tell SpaceX and NASA right now,

      Remarks were questions rather than conclusions or "analysis". If you have a substantive explanation you care to contribute it would be appreciated.

      they clearly know nothing about spaceflight.

      My guess people who build working rockets and space dinghys probably know at least something about spaceflight. Some may have even played KSP at least once during their lives.

  6. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or just piled up and lit on fire... but I repeat myself.

  7. Lack of Options by dohzer · · Score: 5, Funny

    the Dragon capsule has a modest array of three flat screens and two rows of buttons

    People won't like being forced to use buttons. Either allow them to use their keyboard/mouse/gamepad of choice or the average consumer just isn't going to buy this thing.

  8. Re: LOL at their fake 'spacesuit'... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In case you feel being surrounded by idiots the chance of you being wrong, thus you being the idiot who just don't get them, is quite high.

    In your case that chance is 100%.

  9. Re: LOL at their fake 'spacesuit'... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only you knew what you're talking about...

  10. bigger question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bigger question , will it hold the saudi princes camels

    1. Re: bigger question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If not, we can bring jackasses like you along.

  11. Re:Imagine by DanDD · · Score: 0

    It seems that you would rather spend money on social wealth re-distribution programs rather than spending on the ultimate STEM endeavor: space exploration and colonization. Ok, I'll play along with a few more socialist ideas:

    Imagine if:

    The social ills that create a perpetual class of poor and disadvantaged were recognized and mitigated, especially racism and mental illness.

    Human reproduction for the unsuccessful were not subsidized by welfare. If society or the state deems you unable to raise and educate your children, then society or the state takes away your children.

    Only those citizens who contribute to society for at least several years are able to receive public benefits such as social security or medicare. Professions that contribute to society: public school teacher, police, fire fighters, soldiers, public healthcare providers, public transportation and infrastructure support and maintenance. Legitimately handicapped are exempted. Morbidly obese and diseases associated with obesity, smoking and drug use are _not_ exempted. The wealthy and highly successful will have plenty of other options, should they choose to avoid public service.

    Any citizen that takes recreational drugs that have any mental effects beyond 24 hours lose their right to vote. This would include alcoholics. Regaining this right should be difficult. How can a democracy, even a socialist democracy, survive if it's voting citizens are voluntarily mentally impaired? Alternate way of stating this: You can either have the right to be perpetually stoned, or you can have the right to vote, but not both.

    Illegal immigrants were simply an unemployable class of tourists, and legal immigration happened on a more reasonable timescale.

    Education at public and state institutions were free to all citizens, in perpetuity, for any that maintain passing grades.

    Anyone that votes illegally (votes twice, wrong jurisdiction, etc) or is guilty of rigging an election loses citizenship and is deported. Corporations guilty of such things become property of the state.

    The right to privacy were not confused with the false right to be anonymous. Anonymity is only appropriate for voting, and then only partially. Citizens who fail to vote should eventually lose rights, up to and including citizenship. Freeloaders are unwelcome. Participate, at least occasionally, or get out.

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  12. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The poor are going to be absolutely thrilled. Have you met them at all?

    Oh you must meet them. I'm sure you'll like them. Of course they haven't got two pennies to rub together but that's because they're poor.

  13. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think they're going to let anyone realize the savings? HA!!!!

  14. Re: Imagine by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Best way to help the poor is create jobs that pay well. Last night I saw Domino's was hiring drivers for 15-20/hr. Local McDonald's is hiring at 12/hr. Plenty of jobs available.

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  15. That "Space Suit" ... by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    I donno about that "space suit" though. What will THAT thing look like and act if you put even half an atmosphere of pressure into it?

    The Pillsbury Doughboy?

    1. Re:That "Space Suit" ... by joh · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's an emergency pressure suit. It will only pressurize if the capsule depressurizes and then the crew will hardly do anything until they're on the ground again. In other words: Other than a spacesuit which is meant to work in it when it is pressurized these suits are meant to be worn unpressurized, except for keeping the astronauts alive in emergencies.

    2. Re:That "Space Suit" ... by MrLogic17 · · Score: 2

      Spacesuits are not hard to design. They only need to hold 1 atmosphere of pressure. Heck, the descent module of Apollo 13 was basically a foil skin, and held up for days and days of habitable pressure.

      If you did a little research, you'd run across a type of thin, skin-tight space suit. (Think spiderman with a face mask) You don't even need a full atmosphere of pressure to live, and outside of breathing, the human body can withstand living in a tiny fraction of pressure.

      We have decades of experience in much tougher environments - pressurized diving suits.

      And stop and think for a second - you think that maybe, just maybe, the folks designing this may have tested it once or twice?

    3. Re:That "Space Suit" ... by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      That's right. The Moon is fake. They launched, discovered the Moon wasn't really there, came back and started a big cover up.

    4. Re:That "Space Suit" ... by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

      So... how do you explain the Lunar Laser Ranging Reflector?
      Countless independent researchers from many nations use it on a regular basis.

      Or Japan's lunar orbiter photos of USA landing sites, complete with rover tracks?

    5. Re:That "Space Suit" ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Have you ever personally used the ranging reflector? If the answer is no how do you know it's there? You only have "their" word that it is. If it's yes you obviously are part of the conspiracy. It's the simplest answer. As for the Japan lunar orbiter, obviously fake images provided by our allies to help sell the lies. Duh.

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    6. Re: That "Space Suit" ... by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

      So nothing exists until I have personally experienced it?
      With that world view, the uneducated, inexperienced, untraveled person cannot believe in anything but himself, or that which he assumes exists despite his rules.

      Do you wash your hands? I bet you've never seen a germ.

      Even better- have you personally met one of "them" from the government who is masterminding this conspiracy? If not, then they don't exist- and you are the one inventing it.

    7. Re:That "Space Suit" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even if you are jokin, this infuriates me so much I want to track you down and forcibly stop you eating paint chips!

    8. Re: That "Space Suit" ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      So nothing exists until I have personally experienced it?

      Correct.

      With that world view, the uneducated, inexperienced, untraveled person cannot believe in anything but himself, or that which he assumes exists despite his rules.

      Do you wash your hands? I bet you've never seen a germ.

      Actually I have seen a "germ" before. Plenty actually. So pay up on that bet

      Even better- have you personally met one of "them" from the government who is masterminding this conspiracy? If not, then they don't exist- and you are the one inventing it.

      I have, and I'm talking to one of them now apparently. So just keep your moon people from the round planet fiction to yourself.

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    9. Re: That "Space Suit" ... by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      So nothing exists until I have personally experienced it?

      Nonsense - why should I trust you to say it exists?

    10. Re:That "Space Suit" ... by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

      Thinking more about your comment about the Lunar Laser Ranging Reflector...

      You say that if I have not personally used it, it's therefore a myth. If I have used it, I'm part of a conspiracy indenting it. All evidence leads to the same conclusion, regardless of evidence.

      I'm wondering what you'd say if you spend the weekend with a skilled hobbist, building and testing a laser and sensor aimed at the moon. You would then have all the critera for experiencing something yourself, subject to all the scrutiny you'd want. WOuld that be enough, or does your conclusion remain regardless of any facts from reality?

      On another point... the USA landing on the moon was a huge political and scientific embarrassment for the Russians. There is no shortage of nations and groups that would love to embarrass the USA and discredit our scientific achievements. You honestly think that in the nearly 50 years since the manned moon landings that NONE of these motivated groups, totally ourside of US influence, couldn't come up with something bad? Why would the Chinese be, even now, working on a manned moon landing program - if it would be cheaper and grander to demonstrate that their biggest enemy is a fraud?

      Sure, conspiracies exist - but I have a hard time believing a conspiracy that involves so many people coordinating that literally want to kill each other...

    11. Re:That "Space Suit" ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      You should seriously make an appointment with a neurologist. An inability to identify sarcasm is an early sign of Frontotemporal Dementia.

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  16. Touchscreens are a step backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Touchscreens aren't better interfaces. For most uses they are worse, especially when used in a vehicle.

    They are only popular because they are cheaper to reconfigure than panels of physical buttons/knobs and switches.

  17. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where do you live? You think that's a livable wage, you repulsive gangrene on humanity?

  18. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Space exploration is best done by robots on nuclear powered spacecraft.

  19. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a living wage in India maybe.

  20. Re: LOL at their fake 'spacesuit'... by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    They have already taken it into the vacuum tank multiple times and the Kevlar /leather based suit holds up great.

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  21. Re: Imagine by wed128 · · Score: 1

    Robots and nuclear powered spacecraft are both very expensive...

  22. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a livable wage as a first job.
    You have to gain the skills and discipline to bring more value - and you learn that on the job.

    Just having a pulse does not merit a person a high wage. They have to bring value to the table.

    If someone wants to work, it's very, very easy to move up the ladder quickly in this country. Ask any first-generation legal immigrant.

  23. Not the first time by Guspaz · · Score: 2

    They showed off both the controls and the interior in 2014. Neither were final at the time to be sure (the controls have changed dramatically and the wall panels were missing), but this is definitely not the first time they've shown the controls or the interior. The controls they're showing now don't appear to be final either, as the control panels aren't fully populated: one of them just has a pull ring instead of any actual controls.

    They appear to have given up any illusions of manual piloting, as the most prominent part of the original control interface that is missing is the manual joystick.

  24. Re: Imagine by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    Thats right, there is no good place to start a job except at the top of the pay scale. You are the one that is repulsive. I am sure idiot, that you have no problem phasing in alternate energy to ultimately replace fossil fuels. But when it comes to a job, you have to have everything at once. And not start slowly to get better. Again, you are the repulsive one

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  25. Re: Imagine by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    Ever talk to people that have 2 jobs? Wait, that would require thought on your part. Never mind, go back to sweeping up cigarette butts. Your skill set can not handle anything else.

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  26. Re:Imagine by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

    They'd still be poor and disadvantaged, and we wouldn't have a spaceship. Everybody loses.

  27. Apollo CM by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Was better, just a little cramped.

  28. touch screens? Are you out of your mind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you operate it when wearing a suit? What if there's excessive condensation? What if the panel cracks? What if the backlight dies? What about excessive vibration? What about accidental touch?

    I hardly trust *cars* without physical buttons. Space ships seem pretty flippin dangerous.

  29. Simplify by McFortner · · Score: 1

    They could knock that button count down by half if they would just install the latest version of MechJeb.

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  30. Steely-eyed rocket men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it have an 'SCE to AUX' switch? AC

  31. Re:LOL at their fake 'spacesuit'... by joh · · Score: 2

    All of this has been developed with feedback from the crews, coordinated by a NASA astronaut with three Shuttle missions under his belt. Somehow I think that these people know better than you what's laughable and what will work, anonymous coward.

  32. As for me... by Doctrinsograce · · Score: 1

    I like it, man! Far out! It's groovy!

  33. why you always call liar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why you always call liar, but dont show the lie? Is it an inside joke I'm not getting?