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Trump, Seeking To Relax Rules on US Cyberattacks, Reverses Obama Directive (wsj.com)
President Trump has reversed an Obama-era memorandum dictating how and when the U.S. government can deploy cyberweapons against its adversaries, in an effort to loosen restrictions on such operations [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source], WSJ reports. From the report: Mr. Trump signed an order on Wednesday reversing the classified rules, known as Presidential Policy Directive 20, that had mapped out an elaborate interagency process that must be followed before U.S. use of cyberattacks, particularly those geared at foreign adversaries. The change was described as an "offensive step forward" by an administration official briefed on the decision, one intended to help support military operations, deter foreign election influence and thwart intellectual property theft by meeting such threats with more forceful responses. The Trump administration has faced pressure to show that it is taking seriously national-security cyberthreats -- particularly those that intelligence officials say are posed by Moscow.
Oh, here we go ... Obama is apparently like an ancient Persian king; one cannot not simply reverse his dictates!
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If Obama had done something to stop Russian election meddling, Trump and his supporters would have flipped out and claimed he was fixing the election for Hillary. They already Obama was "spying" on them because he was investigating the Russian meddling.
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Nope, Trump is pretending to do something. Thus is just grandstanding that accomplishes nothing.
Just like he already did with North Korea.
Meanwhile, he fumes at European allies, lies about Canada and Mexico, and can't take responsibility for his lies or even his child detainment centers.
thwart intellectual property theft
Really? Our military is going on the offensive to help Disney? Don't they have enough money and resources to take care of themselves?
Uhhh, you realize in the wall of text you posted, they were still concerned about hacking in general. It doesn't matter that they believed russia couldn't do it.
You know the rest.
Too dangerous.
This is a load of horse shit. Everybody knows that Trump just wants to undo everything that Obama did (good or bad), because he hates that a black president was more successful and, more importantly, more popular that that piece of shit will ever be.
I don't respond to AC's.
What are you talking about - Obama said he directly talked to Putin and told him to cut it out before the 2016 election. You mean that didn't work?!?
Obama says he told Putin to ‘cut it out’ on Russia hacking
President Barack Obama said Friday that he told Russian President Vladimir Putin in September to “cut it out” in regard to allegations that his nation engaged in cyberattacks against the U.S. electoral process. Obama added that further hacking by Russia did not occur following Obama’s admonition.
And the GOP House? Can Trump simply ignore *those* dictates? Because the McCain Defense Authorization Bill, requires he cannot accept Russian soverignty of Crimea, and the first thing he did was annul that clause with a signing statement.
"President Donald Trump said in a statement he reserves the right to ignore the defense authorization law’s ban on U.S. recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea, among 50 other provisions he says tread on his authority as president.,....Trump objected to four of eight provisions focused on Russia. For example, the law would limit the use of federal funds to recognize Russian control over Crimea, "
https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2018/08/14/trump-signals-he-may-ignore-russia-provisions-in-defense-bill-he-just-signed/
To be clear, this is a Republican House asserting the USA's position on Russia, that's he's reversing. It's not partisan, it's Trump vs American interests.
Can I remind you that Wagner, the Russian contractor that attacked the US position Al Tabiyeh, in Syria had Kremlin authorization, according to intercepted communications. So we're not just as some sort of vague fluffy cyber war with Russia, they are actively attacking military positions too.
Meanwhile a few traitors from the GOP, who thankfully do not represent the majority, visit Putin seeking help in the upcoming elections. Two visit so far, with GOP people promising *not* to vote for further sanctions, no matter how bad Russia is. I'm sure US troops don't feel stabbed in the back by that as Russia troops fire missiles at them.
Yeh we get it, it's election time and they'll do anything to get power, even side with US enemies. Traitors.
Meanwhile, he fumes at European allies, lies about Canada and Mexico, and can't take responsibility for his lies or even his child detainment centers.
The European allies that have been draining the US dry for decades? Those "allies?"
"His" child detainment centers?! What are you even talking about? You do know that separating children from their parents was a policy that was authorized by a Democrat-controlled Congress way back during the Bush administration and then later put into force by Obama. When Obama did it, it was "protecting children." But now that the policy is continued under Trump they're now "child detainment centers?!" And you're accusing President Trump of lying?!!
... Russia hacking our elections, no one is considering whether someone *here* might have a motive to do it.
Uhhh, you realize in the wall of text you posted, they were still concerned about hacking in general. It doesn't matter that they believed russia couldn't do it.
You do realize the entire point of all that text was to show that very concern.
And how Susan Rice - Obama's National Security Advisor - told the cybersecurity team to "knock it off" and effectively ignore what the Russians were doing despite that concern?
The most important part of your post is that Obama knew, but decided to do nothing substantive about it.
So next we can expect him to reverse rules that mandate we don't just go nuking countries because we don't like them. Oh wait, Obama didn't make those rules, so he's probably cool with it.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
If Obama had done something to stop Russian election meddling, Trump and his supporters would have flipped out and claimed he was fixing the election for Hillary. They already Obama was "spying" on them because he was investigating the Russian meddling.
What color is the sky on the planet where you can conflate using FBI spies, errr, "informants" against the Trump campaign with "investigating the Russian meddling"?
If you want to "[investigate] the Russian meddling", you investigate the RUSSIANS DOING THE MEDDLING, not the guy on your own damn side but who happens to be running a political campaign against your chosen successor. Of course, such an "investigation" is awfully convenient for stifling that person, isn't it? In fact, some underlings might even view it as an "insurance policy" to be talked around in text messages...
It is amazing watching the projection from the left. You're all just so used to your politicians lying, that when a straight-shooter like President Trump comes along and just tells it like it is, you cannot grasp the concept. President Trump is probably the most honest president we've ever had. He tells it like it is and isn't afraid to call out the media when they report lies. Stop projecting your own failures onto him.
Blaming Obama for failing to stop Russian meddling is akin to accepting that Russians meddled in the elections.
So now what's Trump going to do about? Well apart from trying to form 'Cyber Defense" alliances with Russia, attempting to get Russia back into the G7, attempting to remove sanctions against Russia, refusing to implement sanctions as required by a Republican House, fake-implementing the GOP sanctions by saying "nobody new needs to be added to the list", then adding a bunch of companies to the list after Mueller indicted them with detailed account of what they did. And the latest thing is he's ignored the GOP's demand that he *not* spend money on Russia, or recognize Crimea as Russian....
Yeh we get it, fucking traitor.
2012 and Russian spies came to New York promising property in Moscow on super favorable terms in exchange for economic benefits to Russia. He was one who did a deal. Mutual agreement, he hates a black President called Obama, they want sanctions lifted, he can strike a deal and they'll help him get elected.
Obama prosecuted and kicked out the ones with diplomatic immunity. Trump in 2017 then did a spy swap with Russia, reopened the spy facility and handing back the prosecuted spy Buryakov.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/evgeny-buryakov-deported-russian-spy-posed-as-bank-employee-ice/
It's Obama's fault that Trump isn't in prison now for his treason? No it's a small group of GOP who put party before country.
US military attacking govts attacking USA?
I have no problem if they launch a huge DDoS against the systems being used, in real-time, until they smoke. Login to 1 of the C&C systems and trace that back to the non-descript office where the hacking team is working - drop some leaflets there.
Hacking back is illegal for most of the USA, but if the military does it against a foreign, active, threat, good. Knock China, Russia, Iran, Syria, North Korea offline completely every time their govt is misbehaving.
EVERY TIME. Screw turning the other cheek.
Get all allies involved too, which most seem to be doing covertly anyways. UK, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Israel, Ukraine, Italy, all have active govt hacking groups.
Hey, we need to protect the U.S. from people coming over here and wanting to be Americans...the nerve of those ungrateful bastards. Americans are just jumping at the bit to take those jobs they wouldn't touch in the past because...because....Trump wants them to....Make America Great Again. The again seems to be the circa 1950 again, what a wonderful time to be non-white in America.
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and Donnie said good idea Vlad, I'll do it when I get a chance, but definitely before the elections so meddle away. PS I luv you Vlad.
But he said "please." Tell me that's not substantive.
In the first place, all such self-denying laws and regulations are honoured in the breech. They look good to the peasants and the outside world, but the executive agencies simply ignore them when they are inconvenient. For many years there was a presidential policy against assassinating foreign leaders! During which period countless such plots were hatched and carried out - with occasional success.
In the second place, there is only one real deterrent to using any weapon against foreign powers - retaliation. The USA has by far the biggest and most fragile house of cards when it comes to IT infrastructure. Americans are living in the largest, most elaborate glasshouse ever constructed, so it wouldn't be smart for them to start throwing rocks at people who live in mud huts or concrete blockhouses. (And who have plenty of nice big rocks to throw back).
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
Trump actually has a well-established record of lies and deceit in his personal history that revealed his self-promoting arrogance for decades. He talks a big game, but covers his lack of substance with the loud noise of his own flatulence.
> They already Obama was "spying" on them because he was investigating the Russian meddling.
Carter Page was a US spy who had previously been a part of spy operations on behalf of the US government, having helped them eavesdrop on the Russians in the past. They obtained a counter-intelligence (NOT a criminal) FISA warrant to spy on anyone within two hops of him--including much of Trump's campaign. The declassified FISA warrant claims both that Carter Page already is a Russian spy and that he's being targeted for recruitment, which is absurd.
This is all publicly documented but you haven't heard the media report on this because half of them were complicit in this. Like when Steele gave a story to Yahoo and they then claimed in the FISA warrant that this proved their case, never mind they knew that the same source was the source of both allegations, so they didn't have two sources attesting to it, just one, and they were using a sockpuppet to agree with themselves.
There's also evidence that the FBI lied in and about their 302 reports, but all you've probably heard is that Strzok got fired for "anti-Trump text messages" right? Or maybe you cherry picked some items from the conclusion and ignored the substance of the IG's report, never mind how those conclusions were added by dems to be quotable, knowing that most people wouldn't read that huge report, or the fact that they actually make no sense given the conduct described in the IG's report?
Now I wait for some racist idiot to falsely claim that I'm Russian or whatever because they have no idea how to deal with the above facts. All the original documents and more are available at TCT but I'm sure many of you will just ignore the documents because you don't like them.
By 'his' detainment centers, surely you mean 'Reagan's detainment centers'. Because he's the one who authorized them in the first place. Meaning everyone from Bush to Obama left them in place - but now all of a sudden it's 'Trumps detainment centers'? There have been detainment facilities specifically for the US-Mexico border since 1981, which was part of Reagan's War on Drugs. They also aren't the only ones we have - none of them particularly new. The Haitian detainment centers come to mind, built specifically to detain refugees. 1981 as well - but this was more Carter's doing.
I get you're not happy with Trump, but telling lies isn't going to make opposing him any easier - if anything it'll only undermine you.
By 'his' detainment centers, surely you mean 'Reagan's detainment centers'. Because he's the one who authorized them in the first place. Meaning everyone from Bush to Obama left them in place - but now all of a sudden it's 'Trumps detainment centers'? There have been detainment facilities specifically for the US-Mexico border since 1981, which was part of Reagan's War on Drugs. They also aren't the only ones we have - none of them particularly new. The Haitian detainment centers come to mind, built specifically to detain refugees. 1981 as well - but this was more Carter's doing.
I get you're not happy with Trump, but telling lies isn't going to make opposing him any easier - if anything it'll only undermine you.
I get it, you're interesting in defending Trump, but failing to admit he actually did institute a blanket policy of child separation under Jeff Sessions as part of their zero-tolerance approach that treated people as criminals for seeking asylum, and that they did contract for new detainment centers, is a pretty bald lie, and then Trump summarily reversed his own policies after the courts started calling him on the excesses and abuses but even after he ended it, his administration failed to effectively unite the separated families to his deportation policies that even resulted in his administration lying to a judge as they deported a a mother and child that they promised they weren't.
That is undermining you, but I already mentioned this. That's why I said he can't take responsibility. Neither can you.
Believe it or not, all your recounting of facts is easily refuted by pointing to how they were instituted in April 2018, and then rescinded in June.
Trump owns it. Just like he owned his Travel Ban, and all his other bullshit that he spreads around without taking responsibility.
if only we could just copy and route packets ... say from DoD-out to DoD-in.
Sockpuppets telling us scary things!
Such a well established history that you can't name a single instance. Uh huh.
Face it, President Trump is the most honest, least corrupt President we've seen in at least a generation. And you just can't stand that because he's on the wrong team.
We use the words: cyberweapon, cyberwar, and cyberattack and think that we know the consequences of conflict. But our prior experience with conflict deceive us. Our instincts are wrong. Our sports metaphors delude us. We undervalue defense. We greatly overvalue attack. At the core, we still believe that Internet warfare is win-able. We believe that victory will go to the righteous aggressor. We believe that attack is sexy and desirable.
The reality is, Internet attack is like poisoning all sources of water, and hoping that your enemy dies first. There is no "Win" in "CyberWar". We all have to defend the same stuff. None of us have functional defenses. Every successful attack weakens us all.
It is easy to capture, analyze and reproduce somebody else's attack. If somebody drops a bomb on you, it is hard to reassemble all the bits, unburn the chemicals, and reuse it. But, if a government deploys an Internet attack, it is easy to copy the attack and repurpose it. When the US deploys an Internet attack, we give our enemies the motive, means, and opportunity to destroy us.
Its is streamlined. "If Vlad calls, put him through".
Hahaha...
Well, he knew how to air drop $1.6 billion dollars to our worst enemy under cover of night, in unmarked bills, from an unmarked plane.
Fantastic advisors!
Can't name a single instance?
Face it man, nobody works for Manchurian Global.
Which is about as troubling as Obama's "failure" to stop a magic man from flying around on a sled on Christmas, breaking into people's houses every year. You know, something else that is pure fantasy with no connection to reality.
You said exactly nothing that refutes what he said. You did manage to make yourself look like a raving lunatic, however.
Too often that part of things like this is "intention" and not hard coded into the directives and policies. I want the rules to explicitly block the things the potential uses that aren't part the justification/spin tyvm.
I suppose you know for a fact how "Trump shoots from the hip" Talked to him lately? You know the man?
Are you fucking kidding? Are you a Russian troll? Have you ever seen the man try to speak? Everything he does is "Shoot from the hip." If you think he makes calm, calculated decisions about policy, you've must have a screw loose, yourself, I'm sorry to say.
I don't respond to AC's.
COTUS (shouldn't take too long to work that out...)
What are you talking about - Obama said he directly talked to Putin and told him to cut it out before the 2016 election. You mean that didn't work?!?
Obama says he told Putin to ‘cut it out’ on Russia hacking
President Barack Obama said Friday that he told Russian President Vladimir Putin in September to “cut it out” in regard to allegations that his nation engaged in cyberattacks against the U.S. electoral process. Obama added that further hacking by Russia did not occur following Obama’s admonition.
What else could Obama do? Obama asked McConnell to issue a joint statement condemning Russia's election meddling and McConnell refused.
McConnell deliberately obstructed the defence to an attack on his nation's electoral foundations. When this is all said and done McConnell should be sitting in a cell next to Trump.
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The European allies that have been draining the US dry for decades? Those "allies?"
Don't you think fighting the spread of communism was important!? Damned hippies! ;)
I'm with you on the detainment center debacle though. After all, aren't the US citizens that are suspected of crimes treated in a very similar manner? That is, the children are separated from the parents. I am surprised, however, that there are no detention centers with reasonable accommodations considering the apparently massive problem of processing the illegal immigrants in the US. Instead the news pictures are showing cages.
User shaitland thus demonstrates that he/she:
1). Knows nothing about diplomacy. Friends are important but you'd never think that if you believed this post;
2). "Every good or bad move is mocked..." Nope. Only the bad moves are mocked. The good moves are few and far between, but I'll allow that there might have been a couple;
3). Soft on Russian aggression. "The Russians know us and we know them." Wow, by this logic, every dictatorship is A-OK! I mean, is there a dictator or an authoritarian regime in the world we don't know? And since we know them all, they are all OK. Except the Cubans and Iranians, and maybe the Chinese (because reasons).
Funniest of all is dismissing the Europeans for "pomposity". What exactly would you call this right wing American attitude towards the Europeans? Sounds pompous to me.
Stupid is as stupid does. By undermining Europe, by undermining NATO, and by carelessly dismissing Russia (and other dictatorships) as "known and therefore harmless", vigilance about escalating military tensions is lost. The Deplorables know nothing about history and don't care to learn. America could wind up dragged into another major war because the political right got lazy and careless.
And don't bother talking about North Korea. Escalating tensions there were actually caused by Trump, who then "solved" that problem by unilaterally de-escalating. Still no nuclear deal with the Kim regime, nor any prospect of one. Trump is -1 on nuclear deals and shows no ability to make one happen. He's such an idiot he thinks he can interest NK in giving up their nuclear weapons!
i say anyone who tampers with the internet used in the U.S. should burn for it. That's how important it's become to regular every-day life...