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Low-Carb Diets Could Shorten Life, Study Suggests (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from the BBC: In the study, published in The Lancet Public Health, 15,400 people from the U.S. filled out questionnaires on the food and drink they consumed, along with portion sizes. From this, scientists estimated the proportion of calories they got from carbohydrates, fats, and protein. After following the group for an average of 25 years, researchers found that those who got 50-55% of their energy from carbohydrates (the moderate carb group) had a slightly lower risk of death compared with the low and high-carb groups. Researchers estimated that, from the age of 50, people in the moderate carb group were on average expected to live for another 33 years. This was: four years more than people who got 30% or less of their energy from carbs (extra-low-carb group); 2.3 years more than the 30%-40% (low-carb) group; and 1.1 years more than the 65% or more (high-carb) group.

The scientists then compared low-carb diets rich in animal proteins and fats with those that contained lots of plant-based protein and fat. They found that eating more beef, lamb, pork, chicken and cheese in place of carbs was linked with a slightly increased risk of death. But replacing carbohydrates with more plant-based proteins and fats, such as legumes and nuts, was actually found to slightly reduce the risk of mortality.

170 comments

  1. High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, eat high carb foods, you risk getting type 2 diabetes, then you lose your legs and die at a young age. If you eat less carbs and die at a young age are there side effects?

    1. Re: High carb shortens life too by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      I read a report this week that sticking long term low carb diets may trigger diabetes also.

      Who to believe? I guess I should just outdoors and do some physical activity instead of stuffing my face with food while reading slashdot!

    2. Re: High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its a myth that just fat folks get type 2, you can be i shape and still get it. But yeah, 90% of folks with love handles probably have type 2 even if they dont know it yet.

    3. Re:High carb shortens life too by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Eat this, don't eat that, blah blah.

      Eat what makes you feel good and die when you die. The worry and stress of trying to "eat healthy" will make whatever years you do have miserable.

    4. Re: High carb shortens life too by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2

      I read a report this week that sticking long term low carb diets may trigger diabetes also.

      Who to believe? I guess I should just outdoors and do some physical activity instead of stuffing my face with food while reading slashdot!

      Was that "study" perchance funded by the corn growers lobby?

    5. Re: High carb shortens life too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Who to believe?

      Learn critical thinking. What critical word appears in the very first sentence of the summary?

      Answer: "Questionnaire"

      This was a SURVEY, of people that selected their own diets, not a controlled study. People that give up meat and eat "plant based proteins" are the same people that will exercise, avoid smoking, drink a glass of red wine instead of a keg of beer, etc. Correlation is not causation, and the results of this survey really don't mean anything.

    6. Re:High carb shortens life too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Eat what makes you feel good and die when you die.

      So how much did the cheesecake lobby pay you to say that?

    7. Re:High carb shortens life too by aevan · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...and are they still recruiting?
      *asking for a friend

    8. Re: High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly this. And how reliable are surveys anyway. If you look after your diet, you know what you eat, if not, who remembers what he ate last week. And 15000 people
      is not really a lot, if they all have individual diets and you really have to guess what their food consist of just from a survey.

    9. Re: High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two slices per sentence. And it was mighty delicious too.

    10. Re:High carb shortens life too by mohsel · · Score: 1

      I hope what they mean by carbs here is rice and potatoes, not burgers and donuts

    11. Re: High carb shortens life too by Carewolf · · Score: 1, Informative

      Eat varied and don't follow fad diets. That is all yoy need to believe in.

    12. Re: High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This man can store fat in skin cell... but is full of fat near vital organs. http://www.foxnews.com/health/...

    13. Re: High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A diet that feels strange (only one kind of food lik a "banana diet" or avoiding something like "no fat" or "no carbs) are all wrong.

      The body basically knows what it needs - that is why some foods taste great!

      Our taste can be fooled to some extent, with refined artifical products. But other than that, eat what's good and don't eat the same every day. Don't overeat and use your muscles - and you won't get very fat either. Lifestyle problems solved, lets move on to nerd stuff . . .

    14. Re: High carb shortens life too by postbigbang · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sounds like a truism, but what you said is a falsehood.

      Too many of my friends and colleagues are dying of sugar/carb addiction. They don't have to be huge, just not monitoring their blood A1C score (blood sugar).

      It's not a fad diet. People consume a huge amount of starchy foods, sugary beverages, and worse, get no exercise. Type 2 diabetes is almost the epidemic that opoids are!

      Often, people do this too late. The damage to their pancreas is already done, the effects of fat uptake because of enormous insulin dumps to battle the constant sugar cycles eventually takes its toll. Some people are even more reactant genetically; they don't need to have huge fat uptake to become insulin resistant.

      The Lancet's study isn't an observation-- instead, people took a freaking survey-- people never lie on polls and surveys!! Right?? (looking at you, 538.com).

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    15. Re:High carb shortens life too by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Sorry, cheese cake is disgusting. The apple pie lobby on the other hand wants you to know how good apples are for you and in pie form it's nothing but happiness.

    16. Re: High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The body basically knows what it needs - that is why some foods taste great!

      Bull shit. The human appetite evolved to deal with times when food frequently scarce. That's why sugar taste so good - it's high density energy. Following your appetites is NOT optimum in a land of excess such as most of us now live in.

    17. Re: High carb shortens life too by smallfries · · Score: 1

      You do not seem to have understood the comment that you have replied to. If people are eating a varied diet then they are spreading their calorie intake across different food types - not overeating carbs/sugar.

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    18. Re: High carb shortens life too by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      15k people is actually pretty good. Unless the completely muffed the statistics, they really have proven that of people who respond to this survey, the ones who are on a diet (likely because they are SICK) satisfy some other test (which may or appropriate here) which implies they will live less long than people who don't watch what they eat (presumably because they don't HAVE TO) in this particular way.

      That and a quarter will buy you something from a cheap gumball machine.

    19. Re:High carb shortens life too by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      The Con Syrup lobby agrees with all of you.

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    20. Re: High carb shortens life too by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      Thinking about this more, it's good that they published this. This is essentially a null result. The really desirable number to come out of this would be "Go on a low fat diet and live longer even when you're initially unhealthy!" They didn't see that. That would be a really medically useful result.

      And they didn't get that. They got bupkis. And it's REALLY GOOD that they published their bupkis, since most studies where there's no interesting result don't get reported which is really bad for science.

      But dressing up bupkis like it's something is bad for the lay world and also for stupid scientists/doctors, of which there certainly are quiet a few. Most competent people in the field (I would hope) would just see this and realize they cannot claim going on a diet is going to fix everything. You still need to tell your patients to go on a diet, but you can't say it's gonna immediately be roses and daffodils forever, once they do that. Unless you have to tell them that to get them to go on a diet....

    21. Re:High carb shortens life too by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      This would work if we didn't pay for their healthcare. But we do, since (in the US) we're pooled in the same insurance group as them.

      So, no. Don't slowly eat yourself to death because that costs ME money. If you want to kill yourself, please do so quickly and inexpensively in a way which causes little mess: Stick a note on the outside of a thick plastic bag, move the plastic bag to the receiving area of the morgue, get in the plastic bag, seal the bag up tight, and THEN eat yourself to death.

      Or be a healthy productive member of society and make good choices.

      Either one is fine.

    22. Re:High carb shortens life too by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      Are we talking the home-made apple-pie lobby, or the commercial apple-pie lobby, which is secretly controlled by the salt, cornstarch, and high-fructose corn syrup lobby? (And also possibly the not-many actual apples in the apple pie lobby.)

    23. Re: High carb shortens life too by postbigbang · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, you miss the point.

      It's not about calories, it's about net carbs after fiber. Counting calories works well for high-output individuals, who in the US, are about 2 in 10. The rest of the people need to count carbohydrates by the gram or other measure.

      Calories isn't so much of a figment, rather, it doesn't portray the accuracy of a nutritional diet. See https://www.amazon.com/Case-Ag... for questions. His other books are equally as well annotated, chapter and verse.

      Truly and sincerely, it's not the calories, it's the carbohydrates net of fiber content.

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    24. Re: High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "low" carb group was getting 30-40% of their calories from carbs. That is not low.

    25. Re:High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because that costs ME money

      With you, brother. I'm also against people who do unnecessarily risky things that could cost me money, like skydiving, or mountain climbing, or contact sports, or riding motorcycles. I don't do any of those things and can't understand why anyone would.

      FFS, riding a motorcycle is one of the dumbest things anyone can do. No one ever NEEDS to ride a motorcycle: other, safer options exist. The risk of head injury and becoming a drain on the rest of society outweighs any short-lived pleasure one might get from riding "uncaged". It's time we put a stop to this foolish practice! /sarc

      Or, we could accept that we can't always control other people's behavior, and that we all engage in risky behavior from time to time (mostly because it's fun!). That's part of the price you pay to live in a free society.

      Trying to assert control over others may mean the thing *you* like to do being smothered in its crib by the nanny state one day.

    26. Re: High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why aren't we discussing the pies more? Fuck the rest of the bullshit, give me more pies.

      - Chris

    27. Re: High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. When I read the word "Survey" I lost interest in this story.

    28. Re: High carb shortens life too by philmarcracken · · Score: 2

      No, you miss the point.

      It's not about calories, it's about net carbs after fiber. Counting calories works well for high-output individuals, who in the US, are about 2 in 10. The rest of the people need to count carbohydrates by the gram or other measure.

      Calories isn't so much of a figment, rather, it doesn't portray the accuracy of a nutritional diet.

      Counting calories works for everyone. If you consume more energy than you need, the excess is stored as fat. Our population is not facing nutritional deficiency, but an obesity epidemic. And exercise is a pitiful amount of energy expenditure, so its not the lack of that. Its the lack of accurately counting kcal consumption that is causing it. Blaming carbs, protein and fats for this is foolish.

    29. Re: High carb shortens life too by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      You completely missed the entire chemistry behind insulin, insulin reaction, ketosis, and more.

      The obesity epidemic is the direct result of sugar/starch/carb addiction. It's like nicotine or crack-- but worse. Cheap carbs are the basal cause of the epidemic. Sugar feeds a serotonin release caused by a chemical pathway to the brain. It's addiction.

      Calories aren't useful for most people, but carbs are necessary for all. You've been hypnotized by the BRIBED research. Read the book in the citation. Read its bibliography. Understand how the cereals and sugar industry have skewed "nutritional pyramids" and other fantasies of logic. KCals are a horrific reference point. Read the book. I have other citations available as well.

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    30. Re: High carb shortens life too by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Again, you seem to have missed the meaning of words.

      “If people are eating a varied diet then they are spreading their calorie intake across different food types - not overeating carbs/sugar.”

      Do you understand what varied means?

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    31. Re: High carb shortens life too by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Simply not true.

      People don't discriminate. They drink a coke with lunch, eat a sandwich, then have pasta or something with rice. A beer, perhaps later.

      Each of these has too much sugar. Let's say they have a nice meaty steak, then have potatoes. Oops. Add these carbs up. NOT the calories. It's the sugary and starchy (often with grains) part that few people understand.

      In today's culture, you need to actively watch the carbs, because carbohydrates are everywhere. Groceries devote aisle after aisle to carbs. Chips/crisps, cereals, rice, processed frozen foods, all of these pack it on. Add the skew of genetic propensity to high-efficiency fat storage (read the insulin sensitivity literature, please) and they've packed in on. Secrete insulin, and wear what you eat. It's that simple. What triggers insulin (rather than ketosis)? Carbohydrates. That moderation-in-all-things bullshit is a simple answer, and it's wrong. Example: ketosis stops cold with alcohol consumption, because most bodies would MUCH rather get fuel from blood alcohol (ethyl) than from either fat or sugars.

      Stop saying calories. Start saying carbs and fat, and you'll get to the heart of the matter. "Calories" is a sloppy cover for energy exchange. It's a dog-whistle word. Read the book. Discover why I'm so adamant.

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    32. Re: High carb shortens life too by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Who but a diabetic monitors their "blood A1C score", whatever that is? Jeez, nobody keeps a blood monitor around the house to check after meals.

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    33. Re: High carb shortens life too by SNRatio · · Score: 1

      Counting calories works for everyone. .

      You're assuming that counting calories leads to a sustained decrease in caloric intake over a long period of time. That simply does not happen for the vast majority of people, even if you are only looking at the people strongly motivated to lose weight.

    34. Re: High carb shortens life too by smallfries · · Score: 1

      You’re not so good at reading are you?

      Instead of projecting your ideas onto what somebody has written, try reading what they have written. What you are arguing against is not a varied dist.

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    35. Re: High carb shortens life too by philmarcracken · · Score: 1

      You completely missed the entire chemistry behind insulin, insulin reaction, ketosis, and more.

      I don't think I have sir.

      The obesity epidemic is the direct result of sugar/starch/carb addiction.

      No, its excess kcal over time.

      Calories aren't useful for most people, but carbs are necessary for all.

      Calories are necessary for human life. Its a unit of food energy. The books you are reading are running contrary to thermodynamics. Nobody has hijacked your brain using sugar. You just want to blame that so you don't have to take responsibility.

      Physics doesn't really care either way. You eat an excess, you'll wear it.

    36. Re: High carb shortens life too by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      The body basically knows what it needs - that is why some foods taste great!

      Carbs taste great, on the whole. So you should eat as much of those as you want, right. Type 2 diabetes cannot possibly be the result as the 'body basically knows what it needs'

    37. Re:High carb shortens life too by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      If it wasn't for motorcycles then work on synthetic organs would need to be much more advanced.

      I don't have an issue with motorcycles, as long as they have more than two wheels for stability, and maybe some sort of outer covering for poor weather, and a reasonable amount of luggage space. Maybe space for some friends to come along too. Air con would be great for hot days, or heating in winter.

    38. Re: High carb shortens life too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These studies boast guge headlines to draw major conclusions only to admit that the results are they only âslightly reduceâ(TM). Typical fake news bullshit. Sugar and carbohydrates also cause cancer which now 1 in 3 are likely to get in their lifetime.

      If your going to eat carbs, at least get the majority from green vegetables; not processed foods and grains. You should be fine.

    39. Re: High carb shortens life too by hsthompson69 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you completely missed the Kreb Cycle.

      Try applying basic physics to this problem:

      Take an aluminum rod, 2 feet in length. Place one end of the rod in a pot of warm water. Measure the time it takes for the other end of the rod to increase in temperature and reach equilibrium.

      Now, do the same experiment with a human. Place one hand in a pot of warm water. Measure the time it takes for the other hand to increase in temperature and reach equilibrium.

      Now, of course, basic physics still works - but what you're really interested in isn't "calories in/calories out" as measured by "food in the mouth, physical activity of the muscles". You could put a metal ball with 10,000 calories of energy in your body, and not be able to metabolize any of it. So the *quality* of the calorie counts too.

      In the case of insulin, which drives fat accumulation, it is driven by blood sugar levels, which is driven by carbohydrate intake (particularly refined carbohydrates). If you don't include that in your calculation, you're using a simple formula for a complex scenario.

    40. Re: High carb shortens life too by philmarcracken · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you completely missed the Kreb Cycle.

      Not really.

      but what you're really interested in isn't "calories in/calories out" as measured by "food in the mouth, physical activity of the muscles". You could put a metal ball with 10,000 calories of energy in your body, and not be able to metabolize any of it. So the *quality* of the calorie counts too.

      Good thing calories come calculated using the modified atwater system which only includes things humans can gain energy from.

      In the case of insulin, which drives fat accumulation, it is driven by blood sugar levels, which is driven by carbohydrate intake (particularly refined carbohydrates). If you don't include that in your calculation, you're using a simple formula for a complex scenario.

      The calorie values for carbs(4kcal/gram), nor protein(5kcal/gram) or fat(9kcal/gram). Insulin doesn't drive fat accumulation without excess consumption. It doesn't create energy from nothing. Once again, you eat an excess over your TDEE, your body will store it as fat. There is no simpler way to put it.

    41. Re: High carb shortens life too by hsthompson69 · · Score: 1

      Insulin doesn't drive fat accumulation without excess consumption.

      I'm agreeing with you as hard as I can.

      I think what you don't see is that excess consumption doesn't drive fat accumulation without insulin :)

      Even further, I think what's interesting is that when you see a 500 pound fat man eating pizza like he's starving, it's because his muscles *are* starving, and his fat cells, under the influence of insulin, are stealing all the energy from his muscles.

      Now, is it "excess consumption" if your muscles are starving? If your energy is being partitioned poorly into fat cells, it's actually a *survival* skill to eat more to provide your muscles energy :)

    42. Re: High carb shortens life too by piojo · · Score: 1

      Again, you seem to have missed the meaning of words.

      It does not do you credit to be so condescending. Especially when the other guy is right: you can eat a hundred vastly different foods that all contain too much sugar. A varied diet will not save you. Unless you mean a molecularly varied diet rather than a diet whose foods vary, but to my view that would be silly: we can gain energy from very few categories of molecules, and any way you split them up (which constricts sugars and simple carbs to one category of many) would be fairly arbitrary.

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  2. Did they control for other factors? by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Almost everyone I know who eats low carb does so for a reason. They are fat, prone to be fat, diabetic, celiacs, or some other health problem that made them switch to low carb in the first place. Otherwise healthy people generally don't choose low carb without a health problem first.

    1. Re:Did they control for other factors? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      Almost everyone I know who eats low carb does so for a reason. They are fat, prone to be fat, diabetic, celiacs, or some other health problem that made them switch to low carb in the first place. Otherwise healthy people generally don't choose low carb without a health problem first.

      Exactly.

    2. Re:Did they control for other factors? by KingTank · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, it says something like that in the study. "Participants who consumed a relatively low percentage of total energy from carbohydrates (ie, participants in the lowest quantiles) were more likely to be young, male, a self-reported race other than black, college graduates, have high body-mass index, exercise less during leisure time, have high household income, smoke cigarettes, and have diabetes." LOL But it's still misleading of course, because most people won't bother to actually read it.

    3. Re:Did they control for other factors? by fazig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Surprised?
      According to findings on platforms like Reddit a lot of internet users will not read the article before forming an opinion on the piece. It's likely that they read headlines and subhead. Maybe they will read a summary if they feel like it. But from personal experience of the comment sections on major German newspaper that rarely happens as far as online platforms go. Which leads me to believe that this is a fairly common phenomenon among various cultures.

      Of course it's a nice thing to know for online media whose revenue relies on generating clicks for their article. If all they do is to pick a catchy headline and perhaps write summery in a similar fashion, it's already enough to draw a significant amount of attention from their audience. On top of that the same phenomenon as illustrated above probably also applies to a significant portion ofjournalists, leading them to mostly only read press releases instead of working through the full papers.
      I'm not sure in which direction the causality goes here as in whether those who publish papers have found out what gets you more likely published, journalists have found out what makes the most money, or both. In anyway the result stays the same.

    4. Re:Did they control for other factors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they did. And yes, everyone I know who does low-carb does so for a reason - and the reason is because it's the latest fad. Hopefully they all die out sooner.

    5. Re:Did they control for other factors? by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 0

      they actually didnt

      if you look at the data all the people eating low carb are massively at risk from dying earlier, in comparison, regardless of diet

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    6. Re:Did they control for other factors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes. Of course they fucking did. RTFA:

      We analysed the covariates of age, sex, race (self-reported), study centre, education level (grade school, high school without diploma, high school graduate, vocational school, college graduate, graduate school or professional school), cigarette smoking status (current, former, never), physical activity level (sport and exercise activity and non-sport activity during leisure from Baecke questionnaire 17), total energy intake (kcal), ARIC test centre location, and diabetes status (defined on the basis of use of anti-diabetic medications, self-report of a physician diagnosis, fasting glucose value >=126 mg/dL or a non-fasting glucose of >=200)."

      I know, you want to impress us all with your wonderful insight, but for fuck's sake you should know by now that proper science uses controls. Next time RTFA before posting your obvious shit.

    7. Re:Did they control for other factors? by markdavis · · Score: 0

      >"Almost everyone I know who eats low carb does so for a reason. They are fat, prone to be fat, diabetic, celiacs, or some other health problem that made them switch to low carb in the first place. Otherwise healthy people generally don't choose low carb without a health problem first.""

      The main problem is obesity. It is far, far worse than WHAT people eat. And the cure is simple. Eat less. Low-carb is just essentially another fad deit like low-fat, low-sugar, low-salt, pills, high-fiber, all-fruit, exercise-focused, paleo, etc. The solution is LOWER CALORIES and spread over more time. It really is that simple. I just lost 22 pounds (14% of my total weight) over just a 3 month period by reducing the amount of calories. It is really THAT easy- eat most anything you want, just less of it.

      You don't even have to "calorie count". Just adjust your portion size of your three meals (breakfast is important) by X amount (in my case, it was about 1/3) until you start losing and stay with that portion size. It requires little effort, no experts, no books, no pills, no special prep, no special foods, and saves money too. And if doing it right, you shouldn't really even be hungry between meals (and if you are, then eat a TINY snack, like 8 peanuts or 3 crackers). People can typically lose weight on ANY diet, not because of what they are eating, but because they are watching what they eat so they necessarily end up eating fewer calories; but they then unnecessarily attribute it to all kinds of magic, complex, and often unpleasant other factors.

      The hard part is then adjusting "after" the diet so you increase the calories enough to stop losing but not enough to start gaining AND STICK WITH IT as a lifestyle change. Note, I am NOT saying it isn't a good idea to eat "better" and exercise (less processed, less sugar, more veggies, well-balanced, more water and fiber, etc). I am saying that none of that really matters if you are overweight, and changing the quality of food without taking calories into account and then following it up with a permanent change is doomed to long-term failure and often even short-term failure. If you cut out the things people love to eat, it will be impossible for most people to succeed and maintain.

    8. Re:Did they control for other factors? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      Most of the people I know on low carbs live a very healthy lifestyle already and generally always have. The rest don't have the inclination to go to the effort of doing so. It's the old joke: you will live an extra year, but it is better than that, as it will feel like you've lived ten years longer.

    9. Re: Did they control for other factors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its the epitome of fake news. Draw rediculous conclusions and overstate them in your headlines. Nobody would read sn article thst said low carb diets âonly slightlyâ(TM) reduced your lifespan.

      Instead they paint a picture that low carb diets lower your lifespan just like cigarettes. Journalists are just as scummy as lawyers these days. Lets run an article with the headlines that only 1 in 1000 journalist report the truth objectively. Then in the article we will point out that only 1 in 1000 are actual reporters, the rest are paid to promote specific companies or paid for opinion articles.

    10. Re:Did they control for other factors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can reverse diabetes by eating low carb. Can you reverse diabetes by eating less on a standard diet? Yes, but only if you can live on 400 calories a day. For those of us that have trashed our metabolism low carb is the only way to reliably keep their blood sugars in the normal range.

      A food questionnaire that says low-carb MAY shorten lifespan does not compare to the fact that being diabetic cuts your life span 5 to 10 years and greatly lowers the quality of life the last few years in many cases.

  3. In summary by orlanz · · Score: 0

    Eat 50% carbs and get your protein & fat from nuts & beans. You will gain 1-4 years on your life... if you make it past 50.

    We couldn't add a sentence or two about their samples exercise level to get more concrete answers?

    1. Re:In summary by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      History of consumption counts more than what they allow. So what have you consumed from birth, what damage has been done during growth and now manifests with poor outcomes and a requirement for diet change.

      Diet change can mitigate further harm and to an extent repair harm already caused dependent age and duration or poor dietary choices. So you need family diet history and probably environmental exposure to pollution, in order to make a more valid analysis.

      Of course source of proteins and herbivorous dietary choices, also make a difference. Animal proteins often being sources of concentrated environmental pollutants, concentrating the pollution the plants pick up and then delivering the concentrated pollutants to you. Healthiest food likely possible in the reasonable near future, genetically modified algae grown in tanks in industrial scale facilities, with all nutrients and fluids supplied to the algae monitored 24/7/365. That algae largely supplied unprocessed, modified to provide very desirable tastes and textures of any imaginable variety as well as of course trace elements for health promotion. Well engineered algae you could grow in home aquariums of the specific varieties you prefer. Algae genetic modification is cool because it could provide any taste or texture you desire, as well as altered balances of specific proteins and carbohydrates, and DNA from any species can be introduced into algae to produce actual real world super foods, not those B$ make believe super foods, all natural plants have positives and negatives with regard to consumption, else they would not survive. Algae grown in a tank only needs to protect itself from what is allowed in the tank with the algae ie designed specifically to be eaten and not to be particularly resistant to any form of consumption, unless of course you are going for roughage ;D.

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    2. Re:In summary by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Eat 50% carbs and get your protein & fat from nuts & beans.

      Hmm.. pretty much what I've been aiming for since a couple of years. Almost no sugar, and don't be afraid of fats! Just watch the kinds of fats & what other nutrients (protein, minerals, fibres etc) their sources come with. As the body adapts to pull calories from fats & high-fibre 'slow' carbs (vs. from sugar and low-fibre carbs found in many processed foods), blood sugar highs and lows tend to disappear. Making you loose those cravings for sugar rich, unhealthy in-between snacks.

      One thing the article fails to mention: animal fat tends to be high in saturated fats, which are considered not-so-healthy. Whereas plant based fats tend to be high in mono- or polyunsaturated fats, which are considered healthier than the saturated variety. This could explain some of the differences.

      Note that although plant based, for example coconut or palm oil (the latter put in almost any processed food these days) are also high in saturated fats. And thus may fall into the not-so-healthy camp. Not to mention ratio of omega-3 vs. omega-6 fats in a diet. Also FTA:

      (..) greater consumption of animal proteins and fats, which have been linked to inflammation and ageing in the body.

      Yeah, tends to be unhealthy and shorten life of the animals involved, too. One of many good reasons for having been a veggie most of my life.

    3. Re:In summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One thing the article fails to mention: animal fat tends to be high in saturated fats

      Just depends on the animal and how you eat it. Fowl (sans skin), fish, etc. are all very low in saturated fat.

    4. Re:In summary by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      One thing the article fails to mention: animal fat tends to be high in saturated fats, which are considered not-so-healthy. Whereas plant based fats tend to be high in mono- or polyunsaturated fats, which are considered healthier than the saturated variety. This could explain some of the differences.

      I thought I'd been reading that saturated fats really aren't as bad for you as had been thought....??

      Have you seen any of that out there in the literature lately?

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  4. More p-hacking headlines... by anvilmark · · Score: 1
  5. News flash: butter bad. Wait.. This just in... by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Butter is good. Low carb leaves a lot of parameter space for what are you replacing it with. At the end of the day you pick a caloric intake and you pick a method of filling it. Turning down the mid range doesn't say what you did with the treble, base and volume knobs.

    Here's the thing. If you lower your carbs and 2 years later your whole body still feels great then whatever you did probably was the right thing. I'm not saying eat what makes you happy. Because if you do that, and happy is pancakes, then 2 years from now you won't feel healthy or happy about how you feel when you aren't eating pancakes.. Unless maybe you are a kid.

    You body doesn't have sense on a meal by meal basis but it lets you know you are not eating well overall.

    SO no frigging way are the people on low carb diets long term and likeing how they feel doing damage.

    On the other hand low carb diets could be bad ideas if for example you stay on the atkins diet or something equivalently stupid. Atkins is better than being obese but once you shed that, get off it man!

    The thig about low carbs is that for some people it's incredibly easy. Once you stop using sugar you just lose the desire for it. it's not punishment. And that's the magic of low carbs. It's one of the few "diets" that doesn't lead to yo-yo. At least not for a subset fo people. It's sustainable.

    It isn't for every one. But for some folks it is an easy way to feel good over the long term. That can't be unhealthy.

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    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
  6. Fatally flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Self-reported dietary information is unreliable. Even more so when you play statistical games to extrapolate barely significant results from it.

    Regardless of what you think about low-carb diets, this study adds nothing to the debate.

  7. Um by jwymanm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why do we keep covering these obvious causation vs correlation studies. Heck this one looks like it was crafted in reverse just to tarnish low carb diets. They get 2 minute blurbs on news stations and you never hear from them again. Ridiculous.

    1. Re:Um by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do we keep covering these obvious causation vs correlation studies. Heck this one looks like it was crafted in reverse just to tarnish low carb diets. They get 2 minute blurbs on news stations and you never hear from them again. Ridiculous.

      Follow the Funding...

    2. Re:Um by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it possible to "tarnish" the idiocy of the "nutrition experts" from the Internets anymore?

      There is an idiotic "diet" fad every week, and there is the bunch of idiots who will come and sing praise to its "effectiveness" the next.

      As if you can check if they follow it, and as if a week or two has any effect whatsoever.

    3. Re: Um by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it led back to Apple you'd find an excuse for them you sick fuck.

    4. Re:Um by pots · · Score: 1

      Okay... that's not hard, they say right at the bottom of the paper that it was funded by the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute. In other words, government grants.

      You all are dismissing survey results too quickly. A well-crafted survey can control for the kind of factors that people in this thread are just assuming the authors didn't consider, and randomized trials have their own drawbacks.Both methods are necessary to get the fullest picture of what works and what doesn't.

  8. Makes sense by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you cut all pasta, bread and cakes out of your diet, you won't actually die younger. You'll just wish you would.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, someone gets it.

      Heck, you can go ahead and cut *10* years off of my life, if it alternative means I'm restricted to rabbit food.

      Looking at my immediate aunts and uncles, I have no reason to *want* to live that last decade.

  9. Cynthia Kenyon by js290 · · Score: 2
    http://bit.ly/2qCprNI

    No desserts. No sweets. No potatoes. No rice. No bread. No pasta. âoeWhen I say âno,â(TM) I mean âno, or not much,â(TM)â she notes... Kenyon, professor of biochemistry and biophysics at the UCSF, has been on her diet for two-and-a-half years. âoeI did it because we fed our worms glucose and it shortened their lifespan.â

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    1. Re:Cynthia Kenyon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Born in 1954. Not even 65 yet. Not really an evidence of anything.

    2. Re:Cynthia Kenyon by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      No potatoes. No rice. No bread. No pasta

      So the main downside of this diet is you live longer.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
  10. why focus on protein ? by swell · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many comments here about protein, and the sources of protein, yadda. For some bizarre reason scientists and the general public assume that low carb means high protein. IT DOESN'T. Every responsible low carb diet makes it perfectly clear that one should not eat much protein. For one thing, your body will use it to make carbohydrates. Why people choose to ignore this is baffling. More fat, less protein, much less carbohydrate is the formula. Is it that difficult to remember?

    And let's not fuss about 'good' fat vs 'bad' fat. There are two primary concerns: Trans fats are bad. The other is never mentioned- rancid fat. This is a problem due to the fad of switching from animal fats to vegetable fats that started around the'80s. The good thing about animal fat is you know when it is rancid- it stinks. But vegetable fat doesn't. You don't know that you are poisoning yourself with it. Buy the smaller container of vegetable oil (if you must use it; lard is acceptable) and put it in the refrigerator after you open the bottle. Throw it out if you have any doubt. Coconut and MCT oil seem pretty stable at room temp and they are very good fuel for athletes and diabetics and most people.

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    ...omphaloskepsis often...
    1. Re: why focus on protein ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the issue with this story. There are so many vastly different low carb diets; is it literally saying all of them could shorten life, or is it really just talking about Atkins-type diets? A lot of low carb diets are focused on replacing high-net-carb foods like wheat and potato with low-net-carb alternatives like coconut flour, almond flour, flax seed etc, and veggies, that have much of their carbs in the form of dietary fibre, which does not get absorbed. The protein and fat component of such diets is typically "enough". "Low carb" does not have to mean "high fat" or "high protein".

    2. Re:why focus on protein ? by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The fad with saturated fats has really hurt the average health, because people started eating more carbs to make up for the missing calories. And as a result, there was an explosion of diabetes cases.

      As you say, when it comes to fats, the main thing you should look out for is whether they are trans-fats or not, and avoid trans-fats like the plague. But saturated fats have been proven to not be any worse for the cardiovascular system than non-saturated fats. Only this fact seems to have been suppressed in popular media.

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    3. Re:why focus on protein ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, it generated MUCH profits. Bwye!!

    4. Re:why focus on protein ? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Every responsible low carb diet makes it perfectly clear that one should not eat much protein. For one thing, your body will use it to make carbohydrates.

      A bit. When there are insufficient carbs in your diet, some of the protein can be eventually converted to glucose, but not all amino acids can take that pathway. Either way your body pretty much only makes the glucose you need since it's a rather slow and inefficient process compared to direct ingestion of carbs.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    5. Re:why focus on protein ? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2

      You need the protein to get fuckin swole, dude!

    6. Re:why focus on protein ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Okay, I am going to disagree with your statement on vegetable oils and say that you do not know what you are talking about. Yes, they will eventually go rancid. However it takes a while--particularly if you take a little bit of care in how you store it (e.g., pantry or cabinet). And you can taste it when it goes rancid.

      I couldn't find an immediate great website, but here is a reference:
      https://www.canitgobad.net/can-vegetable-oil-go-bad/

      I'll leave it to you to find a more authoritative reference that backs up your false assertions.

      And I will say that there are more and less responsible places to obtain one's fats. Typical vegetable oils seem pretty high on the more responsible side. (Not causing tropical deforestation, and using far less resources than animal fats.)

      Oh one more thing, Slashdot is definitely not an informative place for nutrition studies. A +5 moderation for factually wrong information?

    7. Re:why focus on protein ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "vegetable oil" is too general a term to say anything useful about.

      polyunsaturated fats go rancid very quickly because they are prone to oxidation.

      Flax seed oil for example can even spontaneously combust (google it) because it oxidizes so fast. This is why it should also be sold and kept refrigerated, and seeds should be ground and consumed immediately.

      canola oil, ie canadian rapeseed oil is highly processed and usually hydrogenated, ie with plenty of trans-fats. The fda banned rapeseed oil in the 1950's due to its negative impacts on heart and liver. Then it was gmo'd and approved. avoid at all costs.

      mono-unsaturated oils such as cold-pressed extra virgin coconut oil are very stable and can be stored at room temp. Avoid the heat processed and/or hydrogenated stuff though.

      some healthy veggie oils to use: coconut, olive, avocado. better yet, just consume in natural form with oil embedded in a matrix with all the plants fibers.

    8. Re:why focus on protein ? by sad_ · · Score: 1

      Many comments here about protein, and the sources of protein, yadda. For some bizarre reason scientists and the general public assume that low carb means high protein. IT DOESN'T. Every responsible low carb diet makes it perfectly clear that one should not eat much protein. For one thing, your body will use it to make carbohydrates. Why people choose to ignore this is baffling.

      right!

      this is what i tell people who are all into the 'protein diet' craze. it's BS, your body works on carbs - your brain needs it to function, your muscles need it to perform. your body will try anything to get carbs from somewhere if it doesn't get it through normal channels (you eating). transforming fat or proteins, but in general getting it from proteins is bad.

      carbs are not evil, just some carbs are, just like fat isn't evil, just some fats are.

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      On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
    9. Re:why focus on protein ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, eating whole vegetables is most healthy. However, the reality is that people do use oils (or the products that they buy do).

      Flax seed oil is not one of the more "typical vegetable oils."

      Here is a bit more of a holistic opinion on Canola oil:
      https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2015/04/13/ask-the-expert-concerns-about-canola-oil/

      If this article startles you, then I would say most things in a grocery store would startle you. We live a society where people do not grind their own wheat and make their own bread. Nutrition is full of compromises. A lot of our stuff has been processed in some manner.

      (And as my article nicely pointed out, the impact of things like air pollution is probably much greater than concerns about Canola oil. Driving in a car increases your exposure to chemicals in a much more significant manner--I would love to hear people seriously be as concerned about this as freaking out about small parts of their diet.)

      My personal preference is that I prefer to get local produce (or grow it) and avoid trendy foods. Also, I have found it amazing how many trendy foods have a pretty high environmental impact (e.g., rain forest deforestation from palm plantations, cutting down old forest growth in Mexico for avocados).

    10. Re:why focus on protein ? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Generally, unsaturated fats go rancid more quickly than saturated fats.

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  11. Not a problem for most people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quality of life past age 60 decreases rapidly. Trading some terrible years then for quality years now sounds like a decent exchange.

  12. Living on the planet shortens life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all die sometime.

  13. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Living caused 100% of all deaths

    cap: forest (that is somehow missed)

  14. I don't care, I feel great after ditching carbs. by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been diagnosed with diabetes a couple of years ago. I knew that lowering caloric intake can cure type 2 diabetes, but I am not fat, in fact, I am more on the skinny side, so I had few option of lowering my caloric intake much. However, I knew that carbs are associated with diabetes and started researching the issue more in depth. I decided to severely cut the amount of carbs I eat.

    It was difficult at first, but as time went on, I gradually found it easier and easier. I replaced it with vegetables everywhere I could, which turns out to be a lot of places.

    I am happy to announce that I have no symptoms or readings associated with diabetes anymore, and I do feel awesomely good. Whether this diet will shorten my life or not, I can't say (though I doubt it very much), but I really don't care. Quality of life matters more than length of life, and the quality of my life is so much higher than before the diet, I am glad to sacrifice a decade of shitty diabetic life for it.

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    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  15. Everything is bad, your going to die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just reality... no point tormenting yourself over it.

    1. Re:Everything is bad, your going to die! by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      There's a saying. I see old people. I see fat people. I don't see old fat people.

      I have seen middle aged fat people with major health problems due to being fat. Such as losing digits, limbs, etc.

      However your statement is very true. Death is something that occurs to 100% of the people. You can't cheat it - so far.

  16. Re:I don't care, I feel great after ditching carbs by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

    A couple things.

    I was looking stuff up and found that studies on the effects are CONTRADICTING EACH OTHER.

    I would take the one that says that being on a ketogenic diet causes diabetes with a HUGE grain of salt - it's backwards of the others for instance.

    Also there's a huge difference between being low carb and out of ketogenesis and low carb IN ketogenesis.

    And there's a difference between relying on oils or fats or meat...

    The fact is that we don't really have good information on the effects of macronutrient balance - doctors and the government have been making assumptions for years, but those assumptions were wrong. It turns out that you can't infer things in biological systems you can only measure.

  17. Say it Loud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Say it LOUD -- I'm WHITE and I'm Proud!

    Celebrate White Pride Worldwide 365 !

    Fourteen Words

    1. Re:Say it Loud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Celibate White Pride Worldwide?

      Really? Shouldn't that be "Incelibate WPW"?

  18. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The world needs fewer idiots who feel they must jump on the latest fashion bandwagon and proselytize it until they switch to the next one.

  19. Re:News flash: butter bad. Wait.. This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    an easy way to feel good over the long term. That can't be unhealthy.

    Yep.

    As Sherlock Holmes showed us, cocaine is an easy way to feel good over the long term. It can't be unhealthy.

    As many doctors told us in advertisement over the years, tobacco is an easy way to feel good over the long term. It can't be unhealthy.

    Jeez, the percentage of idiots on Slashdot has never been higher.

  20. Correlation != Causation by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

    There are so many possible explanations for this result, you can't draw these conclusions from this.
    E.g. people who eat ~50% carbs might be the normal ones, living a relaxed life, not having the need for any diets. People who make diets, such as low carbs, might be more fat. Also, replacing carbs with nuts is pretty expensive. These are people with money, it is no surprise they live longer.

  21. life is .. by umghhh · · Score: 1

    ... the most deadly disease there is. There are no known cases of survival. Sometimes, regrettably it is associated with dementia and fear tho. I drink wine and beer, eat bread, noodles and meat too. Till some goodperson bans it or put under such prohibitive tax that nobody except the goodpeople can afford them I will continue doing so. Fuck goodpeople. When I was young I thought only evilpeople are bad for us. Not so now. Too many goodpeople telling me how evil I am because I live. My current answer to that is: fuck you.
    Ach and my next car will most likely have diesel engine. In next elections I will vote right wing radicals (till they win and then I will be voting left wing variety).

  22. Sponsored by Big Pharma, Big Grain, and Big Sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    High-carb diets promote insulin tolerance. Increased insulin tolerance leads to type 2 diabetes. Type 2 diabetes leads to dozens of health complications.

    It is not healthy to live on fast rushes of glucose (typical western grain-based diet).

    Low-carb diets which contain more fat, fiber, and protein, sometimes called mediterranean diets, are proven to lead to lower rates of all the health issues related to increased insulin tolerance.

    There is a lot of money in selling the typical western high-carb foods to people, and if people start eating healthier, they will also put less money into the whole medical system.

    There is very little money to be made in a healthy population. The solution is to promote a diet that leads to a population stricken by diabetes and related ailments.

  23. Small wonder by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Those replacing carbs with steaks and cold cuts sure ruin the statistics.

  24. Re: Sponsored by Big Pharma, Big Grain, and Big Su by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    It is not healthy to live on fast rushes of glucose (typical western grain-based diet).

    There is no glucose rush from a grain diet, fucktard. Starches are polysaccharides.

  25. Re: Sponsored by Big Pharma, Big Grain, and Big Su by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It all metabolizes into primarily glucose, fucktard. American education much?

  26. Where's the low-carbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This study (really a survey) defines a low-carb diet as between 30-40% of calories. And the average is about 38% for the observed low-carbers.

    That's lower carb, for sure, but it's not meaningfully low-carb. Ketosis (fat metabolism) doesn't begin until about 20% carbs (50-60g per day of carbs, as a rule of thumb).

    A few months ago another study, 'proving' that low-carb diets had no advantages, also gave a firm conclusion recommending a 'plant based diet' while talking up low-carbing's supposed health issues. That study had low-carbing defined as 135g per a day, which is laughable.

    It's as if the nutrition world is pushing a creationist diet (Adam and Eve were apparently vegetarians). Which is interesting, because Senator George McGovern, whose commission made it official US dogma that animal fat is bad for you, was a Christian. He pushed that agenda against the advice of his own scientists who advised him that the theory was unproven. The charts show the obesity epidemic starting at that point as diets went increasingly towards carbs. (Ironically, however, most of Christianity has never had a dogma of a literal translation of the bible; with Catholics even having the inventor of the Big Bang theory among their priests, Lemaitre; and Mendel, the father of modern genetics, was a monk).

    Meanwhile, Stanford Uni did a study of a bunch of diets, including low-fat and Atkins, where the study lead, who was a longterm vegetarian, was surprised to find that Atkins beat all the other diets in improvements on every single cardio-vascular marker.

    It's a fascinating youtube:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo

    And meanwhile, in another study, vegetarian women hit the menopause several years earlier than normal people. And the fertility rate in men has dramatically dropped. hmmmm........

    Well, i can tell you that I won't be getting a case of 'vegan face' any time soon.

    1. Re:Where's the low-carbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the Internet "nutrition specialist".

    2. Re:Where's the low-carbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Night time ketosis is extremely common, energy has to come from somewhere,

    3. Re:Where's the low-carbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the Internet "nutrition specialist".

      Lol! so which are you? Christian, Vegan or Vegetarian?

  27. Re: Sponsored by Big Pharma, Big Grain, and Big Su by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    What doesn't metabolize into glucose?

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  28. Re:I don't care, I feel great after ditching carbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The problem with ketogenic diet that no matter how much it improves certain health outcomes (cancer, neurological disorders, whatever) all of that pales in comparison to the leading killer ... heart disease. Cardiac arrest and it's influence on lifespan happen to be poorly captured in mouse models. Human epidemiology is always the final arbiter for long term health outcomes, but in this case there is little alternative.

    I think despite the particle size angle, the extra cholesterol needed to digest the fat in a ketogenic diet will make it very unlikely to optimize human lifespan. We live long past our intended use by dates, the optimal diet for the functioning of our body during our prime isn't necessarily the best at keeping it running the longest.

  29. Big Fat Surprise author panned this study by SomewhatConservative · · Score: 1

    Lots of uncontrolled variables in this study. Contradicts many others

  30. I'm glad by Daralantan · · Score: 1

    Glad to see they didn't just say "low carb = death do the opposite." I worried at first it was going to be an article saying they found low carb people dying younger so therefor eat a ton of carbs all the time.

    Instead it looks like they are actually saying low carb only shaved 2ish years off while high carb was actually the "true villain."

  31. Re:I don't care, I feel great after ditching carbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm 6 months into a keto diet. less than 20g carbs/day.. usually much less. Was over 240lb, now under 200lb, feeling better overall, and I eat as much as I want.. 1lb bacon(well less after cooking) day easy.

    The anon comment about fat being bad.. Checkout My big fat fiasco on youtube, done by the guy who did fathead followup documentary...
    https://www.youtube.com/result...

    Also checkout Jordan Petersons daughters story.
    http://mikhailapeterson.com/

    Animal fats/saturated fats are the GOOD fats, we've been lied to all these years. Just like the flip flop on egg yokes.

  32. questionnaires? That's a flawed study. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Questionnaires? That's a flawed study right there.
    People cannot tell the exact truth on lifestyle questionnaires. They can't because they don't track things to any detail, unless they are anal.
    I've lost 50+ lbs about 5 times in my life. I keep a food journal when I'm loosing weight for the first month to get into the groove. Then I slack off a little more and more every week after that.

      I also track weight daily, then slack off to weekly, and finally monthly ... as I begin to gain weight again by having more than 30% carbs. My body is highly sensitive to carbs. If I keep the carbs around 30% of calories, which is hard, I can maintain my weight loss.

    I also have to exercise more and more. During weight loss, I exercise about 20-30 hrs a week. That's a huge commitment. To maintain, I have to exercise at least 10 hrs a week. I miss being thin, fit, and 25. I was almost an Olympic-level athlete. Back then I could eat anything. Around age 30, everything changed.

    My body is highly efficient at storing carbs as fat and NOT burning those calories until forced. I need a job where I'm forced to be active 4+ hrs a day. The research shows that people like me (those whose bodies store fat efficiently) who don't change their jobs completely to be much more active will always gain the weight back.
    I need to become a National Park ranger, it seems. Or work in landscaping. My programming job just doesn't cut it.

    1. Re: questionnaires? That's a flawed study. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "highly sensitive to carbs"

      Try eating less of everything. Your calorie count versus your activity level are the only variables that matter for weight loss. If you ate 1200 calories but need 2000 to maintain, you will lose weight. Even if all you have is cake. (Eat real food though, an all cake diet will make you feel like shit)

  33. Re: Sponsored by Big Pharma, Big Grain, and Big Su by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It all metabolizes into primarily glucose

    Yes, it does. Over time, avoiding a rush. Glucose rush is what you get when you drink that glucose-filled American soft drink mixed with Russian vodka, ignoramus.

  34. Re:News flash: butter bad. Wait.. This just in... by Daralantan · · Score: 1

    Once you stop using sugar you just lose the desire for it. it's not punishment. And that's the magic of low carbs. It's one of the few "diets" that doesn't lead to yo-yo. At least not for a subset fo people. It's sustainable.

    It isn't for every one.

    This just reminds me of reading some "article" by someone several years ago about why low carb was bad and not good for weight loss. They literally did low carb for 3-4 weeks.... then got off it and admitted to eating an entire cake... THEN complained about gaining weight after that day. They said something about how it was so great that they lost 2-3lbs while doing the diet then how they gained 4lbs the day after they quit it and ate *A CAKE*.

  35. Reduce the Risk of Mortality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But replacing carbohydrates with more plant-based proteins and fats, such as legumes and nuts, was actually found to slightly reduce the risk of mortality.

    I'm willing to bet that their risk of mortality remains at 100%.

  36. Re:News flash: butter bad. Wait.. This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Low carb is for everyone because before the human race started agriculture some 10 thousand years ago they did not have much carb to eat in the first place. Our ancestors had evolved with low carb diet in a hunter gatherer environment for million years.

  37. Healthy years are the only thing that matters by williamyf · · Score: 1

    In this decreases lifespan, but mantains, or actually increases, the number of healthy years in that decreased lifespan, is actually a welcome development.

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  38. Re: Sponsored by Big Pharma, Big Grain, and Big Su by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't have to drink sugary drinks to get diabetes, the typical western diet will get you there without, even if it happens later in life. The T2 diabetes epidemic here in the west is not caused by drinking vodka drinks or eating sweets, it's primarily due to the explosive increase in consumption of modified wheats since the late 70's.

    Now if you were to restrict your grain consumption and eat less and only eat whole grains then it might make a difference, but then again that's not what the typical western diet looks like.

  39. Carb. Intolerance/Malabsorption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a Carbohydrate Intolerance/Malabsorption problem you insensitive clod!

  40. FACTS vs. your LIES #2/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    10.) Whitelists = maintenance & false positive nightmare (so are wildcards) - hosts specifics aren't.

    11.) Resolution's FASTER via hosts (blocks don't matter: you don't intend to get to 'em) via fav. sites you spend most time @ online @ TOP of hosts CACHED IN RAM locally (faster vs. dns & no chance of redirect poisoning).

    12.) Hosts do MORE for LESS, natively, vs. other so-called 'solutions' w/ less bugs & complexity for exploit.

    13.) You're a psychiatric pro who did a formal exam of my alleged mental condition while in a professional psychiatric environs? No. You're a libelous troll that HIDES from me via UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous STALKING me OR who IMPERSONATES me!

    APK

    P.S.=> ENJOY YOUR DOWNMOD, in addition to PART #1/2 here dusting you https://science.slashdot.org/c... ... apk

  41. Low-carb does not equal lower carb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't even representative of low-carb lifestyle choices such as Keto, Atkins, etc.. It represents 'lower' carbohydrate diets based on a questionnaire, and does so poorly. Just look at Table 1 Population characteristics in the Atherosclerosis Risk in Communities study, by quantile:

    https://www.thelancet.com/action/showFullTableHTML?isHtml=true&tableId=tbl1&pii=S2468-2667%2818%2930135-X

    Pretty interesting that among the 'low carb' quantile are the highest rates of smoking, the lowest levels of perceived activity, and the highest percentage of men... any one of which could also account for slight variations in the results of the questionnaire.

  42. attention Paleo cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Eat more beans, it will save your life.

  43. Re:I don't care, I feel great after ditching carbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    500 g of lard a day? You sound fat. Now, be a good boy and go be fat somewhere else.

  44. Re: Sponsored by Big Pharma, Big Grain, and Big Su by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Modified grains"? That have glucose in them? Ooooh. Are you also worried about GMO cancer? You sound quite the nutjob. Are you a "personal trainer" or a "nutrition specialist" by any chance?

  45. Longest life in Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Holy Bible says that humans can live up to 120 years. And, there was a study/stats taken to see which group of people live the longest and Japanese live longer than most. Does Japanese diet consist of high carbs.
    Yeah, S won again... Fighting from victory not to victory. :) :)

  46. Re:News flash: butter bad. Wait.. This just in... by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Obesity is unhealthy. thats the alternative.

    --
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
  47. Re:I don't care, I feel great after ditching carbs by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    Are those your videos? That stuff is great and you should have posted this non-anonymously.

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  48. Lastly: Answer 2 questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.) Do hosts stop threats served by hostname (the way threats are done most) by blocking them? Yes. 2.) Do hosts speed you up 2 ways in adblocking (preventing more infection/tracking/slowdown) & via hardcoded favorite sites resolving faster + protecting vs. dns down or redirect poisoned? Yes.

    My hosts program's the only 1 that does the latter @ TOP of hosts cached in RAM (for best performance) & only 1 of its kind on Linux/BSD in easy to use flexible configuration GUI form.

    (I also did that latter part LONG before the Chinese & 1st http://theregister.co.uk/2017/... )

    * Have you done work that is that effective ? No.

    APK

    P.S.-> ANSWER THOSE 2 BOLDED QUESTIONS ABOVE so you shut yourself down... apk

  49. Or people are bad at estimating. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the problem with self reporting on these studies. Most people can't even estimate short distances and you want them to estimate their diet?

  50. Bogus Conclusions by Northdot · · Score: 2

    The idea that you can extend the results of this study to the current definitions of "low carb" eating is bogus.

    In this study "low carb" was 38% of calories from carbs.. way higher than anything you would need to approach nutritional ketosis (the target of current low-carb eating). In fact the group identified as "low carb" were basically "shitty lifestyle", and in the words of the study: "were more likely to be young, male, a self-reported race other than black, college graduates, have high body-mass index, exercise less during leisure time, have high household income, smoke cigarettes, and have diabetes."

    So in fact the study showed something that is common sense.. people who don't care about their health fair worse than people who do.

  51. Re:News flash: butter bad. Wait.. This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, for me a low-carb diet is an obvious good thing. I was having trouble controlling my blood pressure, and even with lots of cardio (40 minutes 5 or 6 times a week) I was barely keeping it below 140. I tried the DASH diet, which is supposed to be good for blood pressure, but it's pretty heavy on the carbs (lots of whole grains and fruits) and my blood pressure actually got worse.

    My GP suggested I try low-carb (family history of diabetes) and my blood pressure went way down. Now I'm in the 110 range even without cardio. I suspect having regular blood pressure will do more for my life expectancy than any benefit from carbs.

    That's the thing about diets. Different people are different. Big surprise, right? No one diet is going to work for everyone. We've spent thousands upon thousands of years in various environments, with different selections of food available. It can't be surprising that people with different ancestry will react differently, even if you ignore the whole lactose tolerance thing.

  52. Re:News flash: butter bad. Wait.. This just in... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    There's actually some studies showing that being 20-40 pounds "overweight" can add a couple years to your life.

    --
    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  53. Re: News flash: butter bad. Wait.. This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait, there's at least one whoosh here.

  54. Re: Sponsored by Big Pharma, Big Grain, and Big Su by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You clearly have problems with reading comprehension. American much?

  55. Re: Sponsored by Big Pharma, Big Grain, and Big Su by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure there's something, but the concern is not the presence of glucose, but the amount of it. Generally you want to eats foods that metabolize into less glucose and over a longer period of time, as opposed to foods that result in high spikes of blood glucose such as sugars and refined white wheat.

  56. Re:Sponsored by Big Pharma, Big Grain, and Big Sug by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    There is very little money to be made in a healthy population.

    This is just an obscured example of the Broken Window Fallacy. Healthy people spend money on many things, some of which will actually advance technology, many of which actually make lives better.

    --
    Contribute to civilization: ari.aynrand.org/donate
  57. Wrong... by gosand · · Score: 1

    I am approaching my 6th year on a low-carb high-fat diet. I am 5'11" tall and I weighed 172 when I started. I hold steady right around 160 now, +-5 lbs. Went from 34" waist to 32", and am still there.

    I know plenty of people who chose a low-carb diet who were not overweight. I was in good shape (not my best) but saw significant improvements after only a month. Joint pain went away, my teeth are better, my cardio vascular health improved. I suspect these were due to things like lowering of inflammation due to drastically reduced sugar and grains. From an evolutionary perspective, we've only been farmers for 10k years.... so how did we evolve over 2mm years without farming? Go actually look at 2mm of something, then 10k of something. Not just the numbers, but that many things. It's staggering. We haven't evolved to eat the garbage we eat today is just high percentages and refinement.

    However, you are partially right, but you don't know why.
    People generally DO have health problems, they just don't know it - they are addicted to carbs. Your body tells you to carb up so you can get your blood sugar fix. Once you break that addiction and retrain your body to not ride the glucose roller coaster, everything just works better and more easily. Sure, there are people who do have health problems who benefit from it, but there are lots of regular and very fit people who follow it as well. It is gaining a lot of support in the scientific community as well, there are more and more studies about it that will benefit us all in the long run. Look up Peter Attia, Ron Krauss, Dom D'Agostino, Mark Sisson, Gary Taubes. There are more hard-core scientists, but those should give you a sense of what's out there.

    You could read up on it and give it a try, for three weeks. Chances are you won't because you think eating like a caveman is silly. I did. You think it's a fad, and it's just for sick people. But you don't realize how much better you can feel until you do it. What's to lose, eating differently for 3 weeks? What's to gain, feeling a lot better with more energy and the ability to maintain your weight with little effort, potentially staving off diseases that are plaguing our society?

    The only thing I felt bad about was that I didn't do it sooner in my life.

    --

    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

    1. Re:Wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop trying to fuck farm animals you goddamned pervert.

  58. Absolute junk science by slashdot_is_fake · · Score: 1

    There is no possibility of controlling for all the relevant variables.
    This conflates every kind of carbohydrate and fatty acid.
    There are so many other things I could point out but this is enough to prove the worthlessness of the study.

  59. Can't fix stupid by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Nutritionists and health food nuts have been trying to "fix" what people eat for decades. The fix is always worse than the original problem if there really was any problem to begin with. And so what if you live to be 95? You'll most likely have some debilitating degenerative disease that makes daily life pretty miserable.

  60. Re:News flash: butter bad. Wait.. This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americans aren't 20-40 pounds "overweight".

  61. Re:I don't care, I feel great after ditching carbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, taking bullshit advice from the daughter of the man who thinks paintings of snakes fucking means humans knew what DNA is before microscopes existed. Good plan. Apparently the bullshittery doesn't fall far from the family tree.

  62. Re:Sponsored by Big Pharma, Big Grain, and Big Sug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But sick people spend, in addition, money on drugs and healthcare, which in America is not a structure to do good for society, but one to generate enormous profits for Big Pharma.

    Americans don't face personal bankruptcy from going on vacation or buying exercise equipment, they face bankruptcy from being sick and not affording the medical bills.

  63. 30%-40% (low-carb) group by talldean · · Score: 1

    Most folks eating "low carb"... would consider 30% carbs to be obscenely high; ketosis probably doesn't work for most people even at 10%.

    Both the low carb folks and traditional dieticians would agree that fat is bad when you have enough carbs to trigger strong insulin responses. 30% carbs is going to trigger strong insulin responses, so both the low carb folks and the traditional dieticians could kinda look at this ahead of time and predict the outcome?

  64. Re:News flash: butter bad. Wait.. This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ding ding ding... That is exactly what I did. I have found that now I want zero sugar with any meal... however I can still enjoy a treat once and awhile. Its strange but once sugar is removed from your day to day diet, you simply don't crave it and you enjoy it more when you do have it.

  65. the balanced diet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems lost on modern people to simply comply with a HEALTHY balanced diet at a REASONABLE CALORIE INTAKE. Balanced diets would be some combo of 30(protein)-20(fats)-50(carbs). Within these proportions people should seek out the healthiest form of each. The problem with the modern Carb consumer is that all comes from breads and sugar, change that so being mostly vegetables and watch how it changes your life. Protein can also be ideal from lean sources(fish/poultry) and/or vegetarian sources (nuts/legumes/lentils). Lastly(and most importantly) people need to not consume more than they burn. If you sit all day then you shouldn't eat much.... period.

    The science behind this isn't voodoo, the longest lived people are Okinawan and Seventh Day Adventist for good reason, look at what they eat and how they live.

    On high protein diets, I think these have a place in moderation.. namely if you are an athlete or trying to trim up. They aren't meant to be long term diets however.

  66. Never take retard APK's advise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one should ever take that retard APK's advise on security. Why?

    Apart from being a well known prolific spammer, harasser, and liar his work has many failing.
    Most notably is the false premise that hosts provides good security. The truth is that black lists are the worst way to try and do security. They can never list all possible hosts or even all hosts in a sub domain. They are easily circumvented and are always out of date. This still ignores the amount of effort it takes to maintain them. Everything that APK is trying to accomplish is better done by other available solutions.

    When one successfully refutes what APK says he is unable to respond in his own defense and will attempt to change the subject to deflect from his own failure. Like when he says hosts does port filtering, that the Chinese copied him, that security experts agree with him. Each and every time APK failed to refute anything said about his statements even when what he said was shown to be false and every time tried to change the subject because he lost.

    APK is a failure and a retard, never take his advise.

  67. FACTS vs. your LIES #1/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.) Users disagree w/ you by DOZENS https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

    2.) ObjectPascal is #12/20 on the TIOBE index https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-in... (& has never left top 20 since 2001) - FAR from "arcane" (like C++, it's a classic here to stay).

    3.) I've used Linux & *NIX before you were BORN most likely (*NIX thru the 80's & Linux on/off since 1994)

    4.) Windows version doesn't need anymore work (see #1 reviews of it above).

    5.) See #1 above for EXACT QUOTES registered /.ers stated

    6.) BSD version IS done in latest Linux model (BSD keeps binary compatiblity w/ Linux afaik).

    7.) My source was audited by Steven Burn of Malwarebytes (not some amateur) who hosts it & recommends it also

    APK

    P.S.=> Part #2/2 https://science.slashdot.org/c...

  68. You RAN from answering 2 simple questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You RAN from answering 2 simple questions https://science.slashdot.org/c... & it's all anyone needs to see!

    * YOU LOSE, loser...

    APK

    P.S.=> The day a BLOWHARD hotair windbag do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" like YOU does better than I have? Then you can talk, talker... apk

  69. Why do you always lose? This is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What solution does MORE for less resource use & complexity leading to their exploitation - DNS/AntiVirus/Addons? All security issue riddled resource hogs vs. hosts!

    Wildcards lead to FALSE POSITIVES GALORE (hosts specifics do not & are easy to edit) - whitelists are maintenance nightmares even moreso!

    Hosts SPEED YOU UP 2 ways:Hardcoded favorite sites avoiding slower security issue riddled DNS & blocking ads alone offsets any parse & THE ONLY PARSE THAT HAS TO BE FAST is your FAVORITE SITES you spend MOST TIME @ online @ TOP of hosts cached in RAM operating in kernelmode (blocked ones, the majority of my hosts file, you NEVER intend to get to anyhow stupid)!

    NoScript has to PARSE ads script src tags etc.: Hosts don't & OPERATE LONG BEFORE NoScript does on 3rd party scripts (the most dangerous ones) in kernelmode speed making NoScript REDUNDANT SLOWER USELESS!

    APK

    P.S.=> You are just (& yes, I've gotta say it) "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" to BLOW AWAY... apk

  70. Re: KGB can also shorten lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would of been available? How about would have been available. Hard to take seriously people who canâ(TM)t handle basic grammar/ spelling.

  71. Shut your shit bag mouth APK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shut your fucking shit bag mouth APK.
    You ran and hid and now make demands of others while pissing yourself in the corner because you are a pussy who can't defend yourself.
    You demand other post their address but are too much of a pussy cake to do so yourself when you threaten people.

    I don't threaten vs. a NOBODY

    Shut your fucking pie hole you lying sack of shit.
    You threaten people all the time and when called on it you hide in the fucking corner and piss yourself.
    So come on pussycake post your fucking address

  72. LOL! Says ANTIFA pussyboy anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, you truly ARE a nobody & it shows in FAR MORE than just your UNIDENTIFIABLE stalkings of me (chickenshit bitch you are) - it shows in you being a DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" UNSKILLED & UNDEREDUCATED waste of life LOSER too, lol!

    * By the way: Make me you shitbrain punk (newsflash - you can't & I don't obey a NOBODY like you or "your kind" (wastes of life)).

    APK

    P.S.=> ... & you KNOW it (+ constantly PROVE it too) - Bugs Bunny has more REAL IDENTITY than you do - so in threatening a punk that hides like you? I literally am NOT threatening anyone real - you LOSE, stupid, always, vs. me - accept it... apk

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  74. Re:News flash: butter bad. Wait.. This just in... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    it's hard to say... they use "obese" and "overweight".

    And the standard for that changes constantly.

    Like for diabetes, 10 years ago 125 was "pre diabetic". Now it's "diabetic".
    Like for "binge" drinking. Having 5 drinks in 5 hours is "binge" drinking. "Binge" sounds horrible... but 5 drinks in 5 hours would not even give you a buzz.

    --
    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.