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As Value of Cryptocurrencies Falls, a Lot of New and Risk-Taking Investors Are Suffering Immensely (nytimes.com)

After the latest round of big price drops, many cryptocurrencies have given back all of the enormous gains they experienced last winter. The value of all outstanding digital tokens has fallen by about $600 billion, or 75 percent, since the peak in January, according to data from the website coinmarketcap.com. The New York Times: The virtual currency markets have been through booms and busts before -- and recovered to boom again. But this bust could have a more lasting impact on the technology's adoption because of the sheer number of ordinary people who invested in digital tokens over the last year, and who are likely to associate cryptocurrencies with financial ruin for a very long time. [...] By many metrics, more people put money into virtual currencies last fall and winter than in all of the preceding nine or so years. Coinbase, the largest cryptocurrency brokerage in the United States, doubled its number of customers between October and March. The start-up Square began allowing the users of its mobile app, Square Cash, to buy Bitcoin last November.

[...] Kim Hyon-jeong, a 45-year-old teacher and mother of one who lives on the outskirts of Seoul, said she put about 100 million won, or $90,000, into cryptocurrencies last fall. She drew on savings, an insurance policy and a $25,000 loan. Her investments are now down about 90 percent. "I thought that cryptocurrencies would be the one and only breakthrough for ordinary hardworking people like us," she said. "I thought my family and I could escape hardship and live more comfortably, but it turned out to be the other way around."

[...] In the United States, Charles Herman, a 29-year-old small-business owner in Charleston, S.C., became obsessed with virtual currencies in September. He said he now felt that he had wasted 10 months of his life trying to play the markets. While he is essentially back to the $4,000 he put in, he has soured on the revolutionary promises that virtual currency fanatics made for the technology last year and has resumed investing his money in real estate. "I guess I thought we were 'sticking it to the man' when I got on board," Mr. Herman said. "But I think 'the man' had already caught on, and had an exit strategy."

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  1. It's just a get rich quick scheme by magzteel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those two anecdotes are stories of people hoping to magically get rich quick. The outcome is unsurprising.

    1. Re:It's just a get rich quick scheme by bkmoore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the words of Warren Buffett, it's called "the greater fool business model" and it's the belief that a greater fool will come along and pay you more than you paid.

    2. Re: It's just a get rich quick scheme by Thundercat007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It really was, especially with articles that were headlined "we have no idea why it's going up" and "people are mortgaging their homes to get into the act" and "75% of coins are held by like 5 people". Once those articles hit the street, the ponzie scheme was complete. They sold, dumped their coins and walked away probably billionaires

    3. Re: It's just a get rich quick scheme by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They didn't walk away, exactly. They're still out there, mining, and manipulating the prices to suck in the remaining fools.

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  2. The headline is missing three words by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It should begin with:

    Surprising Exactly Nobody...

    Well, OK, surprising the poor suckers who bought into this high-tech reinvention of the classic pump-and-dump I guess, but no-one else.

    1. Re:The headline is missing three words by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is bitcoin different to gold?

      Gold has a much longer history as a store of value, so it may have a much longer future as well.

      Historically, gold has been a poor investment. A century ago, gold was worth $20 per ounce, which was enough to buy a nice tailored suit. Today, gold is worth $1200 per ounce, which is enough to buy a nice tailored suit. Correcting for inflation, the ROI has been roughly 0%.

    2. Re:The headline is missing three words by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ponzi scheme.

      Bitcoin may be a bad investment, and likely it is, but it is NOT a Ponzi Scheme. If you think it is, you don't understand Bitcoin, you don't understand Ponzi Schemes, or both.

      There are many profound differences, but one obvious difference is that Ponzi Schemes are inherently fraudulent. Bitcoin is not. Investors know exactly what they are buying. All the information is on the table.

      In the Pantheon of con men, no one is on a higher pedestal than Carlo Pietro Giovanni Guglielmo Tebaldo Ponzi. He has no equal among swindlers. Satoshi Nakamoto isn't even in the same class.

    3. Re:The headline is missing three words by Cyberax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, the Federal Reserve is not privately owned. And it's also totally different from a planned economy. Duh.

    4. Re:The headline is missing three words by bws111 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whole lotta crazy there. The 'board' is a federal agency, appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate.

      Any net income (profit) the banks earn goes directly to the US Treasury, not the 'shareholder' banks.

      There is no such thing as 'the 12 shareholders'. Every bank that is part of the federal reserve system is a shareholder - there are approx 3000 of them.

      I have no idea what you think is in that link you sent that supports your position in any way. Is this one of those things where if you take the third letter of every word it spells out a secret message or something?

  3. But wait! by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you heard about investing in tulip bulbs?

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  4. Ordinary, hard working? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I thought that cryptocurrencies would be the one and only breakthrough for ordinary hardworking people like us,"

    And yet you were throwing debt at what was essentially a "get rich quick" scheme? That's not ordinary nor hardworking, that's just idiocy.

  5. bubble by matushorvath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whenever taxi drivers start giving you investment tips, it's a bubble.

  6. Re: Stupidity is supposed to be painful by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are aware that is how the stockmarkets work, right? And I do mean the stock market, not shares themselves.

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  7. It's not immesurable by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless you're shorting, the maximum you can lose is your initial investment. Which makes investing a dirt-simple risk proposition, since you automatically know before you invest your money exactly what's the maximum you could lose (all of it). So the amount these people have lost and are suffering is precisely measurable, and was precisely measurable before they ever invested.

    If you borrow money to invest (loans or leveraging), or short stocks (where the maximum gain is the value of the stock, while the maximum loss is potentially infinite - the inverse of buying stock) without understanding the risks involved, it's your own fault.

    I've bailed out friends and family members with loans - basically invested in them. But it's never affected me financially if they don't pay me back because I made each loan assuming they wouldn't pay me back and I would take a 100% loss. If they do end up paying me back, that's a bonus.

  8. Re:No, but look at the benefits by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and have driven demand for more generating capacity in the power grid.

    Yes by consuming the same energy as the industry, commercial and residential activities of a nation with 18million people at a time where emisisons and energy waste is considered critical, all the while bolstering the startup of decommissioned dirty power while the world is being screwed.

    This planet is fucked. I just hope Elon builds the rocket in time.

  9. Re: Interestingly, taxation shifted stocks to GFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Greater Fool has been in practice long before the stock market and has been part of the stock market from its very beginning. It's your idiotic "it's the government's fault" thinking that leads to so many making the most basic investment mistakes like the two noted (all eggs in one basket).

    Just to set the record straight, taxes in the US are geared toward long term investing and savings for retirement. It would be nice if it was also geared toward saving for higher education & primary residence ownership, but those parts have been all messed up for a while thanks to both parties.

  10. Re:The bird may have flown... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No. People selling at 20k is smart. Greed is people buying at 20k.

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