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Apple Removes Facebook's Onavo Security App From the App Store (cnbc.com)

Apple has removed Facebook's Onavo security app from the App Store because it violated the company's privacy rules. In a statement to CNBC, an Apple spokesperson said: "We work hard to protect user privacy and data security throughout the Apple ecosystem. With the latest update to our guidelines, we made it explicitly clear that apps should not collect information about which other apps are installed on a user's device for the purposes of analytics or advertising/marketing and must make it clear what user data will be collected and how it will be used." From the report: According to a Wall Street Journal story on Wednesday, citing a person familiar with the matter, Apple officials told Facebook last week that Onavo violated the company's rules on data collection by developers, and suggested last Thursday that Facebook voluntarily remove the app. Facebook acquired Israel-based Onavo in 2013, snapping up the free security app that lets users access a virtual private network, or VPN, to browse the web and download apps with a greater degree of privacy. Facebook in the past has offered that service to users without clearly disclosing that its owns the app, and has collected data about what other types of apps those customers use. In June, Facebook told Congress that it does not use Onavo data "for Facebook product uses" or to collect information about individuals, but it has admitted to using Onavo to gather broad information about which apps are popular and how people are using them, which it uses to improve its own products.

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  1. Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook doing some real shit these days to stay relevant and make more money. Yeah they seem pretty much two faced these days. Say one thing do just the opposite.

    1. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by slickwillie · · Score: 0

      You never could trust FarceBook and they were never relevant.

    2. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just amazing that it's a VPN that isn't a VPN, everything you do is tracked, it's one the shadiest things a tech company has done. Facebook needs to be regulated, split up, executives held accountable. Just sham wow..

    3. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what way was it not a VPN? The data travelled from the device encrypted and protected to the end-point. Whatever made you think VPN traffic was private to those running the end-point?
      Your data has to pass from the VPN to Internet somewhere?

      As per google and the HTTPs debacle, this is about stopping others (ISPs) etc snooping and thus monopolising data for themselves.

    4. Re: Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      âoethese daysâ? Weâ(TM)re talking about the same Facebook right? The same Facebook rooted in calling its users âoedumb fucks?â

    5. Re: Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The entire point of a VPN is to have privacy and protection from a wireless hotspot. ISPs not the main concern unless you are torrenting illegal porn and movies. Sure you can use a VPN at home, but there are better ways than using an app to enable a vpn.

    6. Re: Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are concerned about privacy then they should remove the Google maps app as well as the Facebook app and all other social media apps and any "app" for any website. News websites included.

    7. Re: Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The entire point of a VPN is to have privacy and protection from a wireless hotspot.

      In this case Wireless Hotspot = ISP (they are providing your Internet service).

      As far as I can tell this service provided that feature (for free) in return for allowing your data to be chewed up and digested by the VPN provider, in this case Facebook, albeit indirectly.

      Now I'm not saying this wasn't misleading, and I have not seen what users agreed to in the T&Cs or what Apple's requirements are... but to claim the service was not a VPN is wrong.

    8. Re: Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The entire point of a VPN is to have privacy and protection from a wireless hotspot. ISPs not the main concern unless you are torrenting illegal porn and movies. Sure you can use a VPN at home, but there are better ways than using an app to enable a vpn.

      The entire point of a VPN is to connect to a remote server and establish a Virtual Private Network.

      What most people are talking about when they say VPN is just a proxy, and one that they hope hides their identity in some way.

    9. Re: Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      âoethese daysâ? Weâ(TM)re talking about the same Facebook right? The same Facebook rooted in calling its users âoedumb fucks?â

      Every time you post this garbage from your Apple device, you prove that you are a dumb fuck.

    10. Re: Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no shit, VPN through an app is just proxy to the web captain obvious now consider the main usage of an VPN via a smartphone app? There's no private network through those connections, it's just hiding from unknown hotspots where you are more vuneralbe to man in the middle attacks, just like what FB did here.

    11. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      AC a VPN should be expected not to collect on any usage. Thats the reason for getting a VPN.

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    12. Re: Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no shit, VPN through an app is just proxy to the web captain obvious now consider the main usage of an VPN via a smartphone app? There's no private network through those connections

      Wrong... the app was used to establish a VPN using ios built in VPN client. This was a then a proper VPN with encryption, a separate IP address and routing etc.

    13. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No! You're confusing an Anonymous VPN provider with VPN technology.

      I use VPNs all the time to various employers/clients/my own home network.
      I have no illusions that I or my traffic is encypted / anonymous or whatever to those parties, only networks between my device and them.

    14. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As per google and the HTTPs debacle,.

      It sure is a debacle, you got that!

    15. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC a VPN should offer that "privacy" part of VPN. Not just the "network" part.

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    16. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It stands for PRIVATE as in a private conversation between you and the other party... you can be reasonably sure when you tell someone a secret that no-one else hears it (a PRIVATE conversation) you can't always be certain what they will do with your secret (that's them respecting your PRIVACY).

      Lesson: be careful who you tell your secrets to!

      Sure, if you are paying for/using a service that offers anonymity/privacy/ different geo-location or whatever by using VPN connection, then that is what you should expect.

      I'm not sure this was "sold" on those grounds, they were offering protection from phishing, alerts when you were using data too fast etc... all of which require them to do some sort of inspection on your traffic. I'm not saying this wasn't shady an misleading, just that is was still a VPN... people need to aware whose network they are joining and why!

    17. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      You are being trolled. Don't feed it

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    18. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yum yum, under the bridge lurks the trolling AC...

      But seriously people do need to learn that VPN != privacy from the party providing the endpoint! You are just as or oven more venerable to man-in-the-middle attacks from that provider.

      Using a VPN without doing a bit of research on the VPN provider is exactly the same as joining that unknown hot-spot!

    19. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AHuxley may be trolling, but people are modding it up.

    20. Re: Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The entire purpose of a VPN is to extend a network out securely. If you own the other end of the pipe, youre due some modicum of security. Outside that, your just masking your IP address and the pipe owner knows what you are up to in general instances. They will never tell, right? /sarcasm

    21. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC the reason to use such a product is not to be collected on.
      Getting collected on further down the network is not what was expected.

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    22. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC a VPN should be expected not to collect on any usage. Thats the reason for getting a VPN.

      Do you go to a private party for privacy?

      Free VPN is no different than free WiFi, snoopers be snooping, despite all your wishful thinking.

    23. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Its not "wishful thinking" when its collecting on the user AC... that would be a question of design.
      To collect or not to collect.

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    24. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by johnsie · · Score: 1

      They should be forced to delete any data they have collected, permanently and irreversibly.

    25. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC the reason to use such a product is not to be collected on.

      Getting collected on further down the network is not what was expected.

      This is patently false and not how VPN works.

      The point, the absolute ONLY point of VPN is to connect one network to another over an encrypted connection. Period.

      The party at either end can do whatever they want with the data. When I access my work VPN from home I don't expect my work to not know what documents I am downloading. I only expect others in transit not to see it.

      You are using VPN for something it is not meant for.

    26. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The "transit" part is secure until its collected on. The collection part should not be happening AC.

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  2. Too bad... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    Too bad this isn't a fight to the death.

  3. When will apple remove Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are Apple and Amazon also co-conspirators? As the only two legal person entities in the USA that actually have any say in the democratic political process, unless they move soon, they too will end up in federal prison.

  4. Re: Can't trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it just proves how outdated the slashcode is and how behind the curve the maintainers of the slashcode are. UTF-8 isn't all that difficult for real developers. You're just an example of having cast Perl before swine.

    If you wanted to actually be informed about the matter, you could visit SoylentNews, where they've fixed the slashcode and made the fixes available open source, so slashdot could fix everything here — including its UTF-8 problems — with very little effort. If they cared about the site, which by all the evidence, they don't.

    Or, you know, you could just continue spewing mindless, uninformed vitriol.

  5. Big Surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook violated user privacy. It would be news if it were ever determined that Facebook DID NOT violate user privacy. Facebook is evil.

    1. Re:Big Surprise! by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

      Facebook violated user privacy.

      Did they though? In the apps description of what it does, they clearly tell you that they collect your mobile data traffic and analyze your use of websites, apps, and data.

      "To provide this layer of protection, Onavo uses a VPN to establish a secure connection to direct all of your network communications through Onavo's servers. As part of this process, Onavo collects your mobile data traffic. This helps us improve and operate the Onavo service by analyzing your use of websites, apps and data. Because we're part of Facebook, we also use this info to improve Facebook products and services, gain insights into the products and services people value, and build better experiences."

      https://i.imgur.com/brwV0V0.jpg

    2. Re:Big Surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you cant expect apple to read and understand that. They are far too busy being pricks.

    3. Re:Big Surprise! by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter if they own up to doing it when it's against Apple's rules for developers.

  6. Re: Can't trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, you know, you could just continue spewing mindless, uninformed vitriol.

    Isn't that all that slashdot has been good for since it was sold the second time? And what is it now, the fourth time?

  7. Apple by tsa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why I love Apple and pay premium prices for their stuff. They care about their customers.

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    1. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are about their profits. That is all.
      If tomorrow apple could make more money selling your info they would.

    2. Re:Apple by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Nothing about the status you perceive yourself to have by publicly displaying the Apple logo? After all, everyone knows they're expensive. You're displaying it in public. You sure it's their service, invisible to the outside world, that you like the most?

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    3. Re:Apple by Daneel+Olivaw+R.+ · · Score: 1

      so you are happy in letting them decide what you can and cannot have on your phone?

    4. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing about the status you perceive yourself to have by publicly displaying the Apple logo?

      Preposterous.

      It is not as if accessory makers intentionally design iPhone "protective cases" with a giant hole so that the Apple logo is visible or anything absurd like that.

    5. Re:Apple by tsa · · Score: 1

      Yes. I let them judge the safety of my apps because they know more about that than I do and I have better things to do.

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    6. Re:Apple by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      They care about their customers.

      By dictating with whom you may or may not do business?

    7. Re:Apple by mccalli · · Score: 2

      I mean, that's blatantly untrue because they could. And they don't. Whether it's going to be true in 20 years time when the next gen of people running the company take over is interesting, but today? I mean, they literally went to court fight the FBI over customer privacy.

    8. Re:Apple by johnsie · · Score: 1

      They care about their customers money and overcharge for everything. FTFY.

    9. Re:Apple by johnsie · · Score: 1

      If you're running a rooted android then your phone has already been exploited at least once during the rooting process. If you're not using a rooted phone then you are also allowing a certain level of control to be held by the manufacturer. If you're sideloading apps on a rooted android then you are a complete idiot. So Mr security expect man, what do you think is the best option?

    10. Re:Apple by tsa · · Score: 1

      I don't care what other people think about me and I don't care what they use either. Why do you care what I think?

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    11. Re:Apple by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You may not have noticed by Google removed a similar VPN service from their Play store last week, for exactly the same reason. If anything it looks like Apple saw that and realized that they were not adequately checking VPNs on their own app store.

      The issue is the lack of a proper privacy policy, not the fact that they spy on you. Spying is fine, as long as it's clearly stated in the privacy policy. Otherwise they would have banned the Facebook app too.

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    12. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple doesn't like competition in selling app usage data. This has to do with Apple protecting the data they collect on their customers. In short, Facebook was trying to collect data that Apple was already selling. Apple didn't like the competition.

      Sorry to break it to you, but Apple doesn't give a shit about you beyond how many dollars they can extract out of you.

    13. Re: Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Bullshit. It's to maintain their monopoly position. The eagles garden is not a security fence, its a cage. Apple is unwilling to share any of your value once you're locked in.

    14. Re:Apple by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      See, if that was actually true you wouldn't be in public bragging to everyone how great Apple products are, and that you are proud to own one.

      Human status display isn't something we can stop consciously doing. It's built in to our brains.

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    15. Re:Apple by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      They are about their profits. That is all. If tomorrow apple could make more money selling your info they would.

      What, you mean they couldn't have already done that? Because they are waiting for someone to actually offer even more then they could sell it for now? What kind of logic is that? Even Alex Jones is shaking his head reading your post.

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    16. Re: Apple by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Apple is unwilling to share any of your value once you're locked in.

      So now you are saying that Apple does not at any price want to share user data with anybody else, but keep all to itself. Which is the exact opposite of what you were just claiming.

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    17. Re:Apple by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Nothing about the status you perceive yourself to have by publicly displaying the Apple logo? A

      As opposed to those displaying the usually bigger logo of their non-Apple devices? Do you suffer logo envy?

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    18. Re:Apple by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      You may not have noticed by Google removed a similar VPN service from their Play store last week, for exactly the same reason. If anything it looks like Apple saw that and realized that they were not adequately checking VPNs on their own app store.

      Errm, yeah. Maybe Google should also remove the Onavo app? Or at fucking least the app that calls itself "Onavo Protect" but isn't from Onavo? https://play.google.com/store/...

      You can pretend that the fact that Google last year removed over 700k apps from the play store as a security win, but you are only fooling yourself.

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    19. Re:Apple by tsa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So I'm not allowed to tell people why I like certain things? That's ridiculous.

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  8. In a related story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook deletes Apple's Facebook presence for violation of their TOS.

    Let's get ready to rumble!!!

    1. Re:In a related story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would be awesome.
      I just went on to apples facebook page expecting to read typical apple fanboi gushing bullshit.
      But no. It looks like people really hate apple.
      It warms my heart.

  9. Phoning home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember when "phoning home" at all was considered unacceptable?

    m-m-m-mainstream m-m-m-mailware.

    1. Re:Phoning home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      p-p-p-powerbook. LAZER-MOUSE! included free of charge.

      Sounds great doesn't it? If it SOUNDS good, clearly it must BE good. I won't, can't or am incapable of spending any more energy thinking about it....

  10. Anybody else... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...waiting for FB public response?

  11. I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep using by williamyf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I already told A LOT about me to Facebook, on my own volition. What they are able to collect with Onavo is peanuts in comparison.

    I also tend to recomend Onavo, but ONLY in facebook. After all, if some contact of mine reads my recomendation in Facebook, it means that they too have given FB enough info so far that what FB collects through Onavo is peanuts.

    I use Onavo in my android Phone. Onavo is easy to set up, easy to use, free, mantained by a well known company that will be here tomorrow, and let's me access sites my oppresive government deems unappropiate, as well as sites that are collateral damage of the censorship. I do not need to define the country I use to connect, nor am I torrenting, or streaming on my phone.

    What's not to like? Spying? Again, I told FB all they need to know, whatever they gather through Onavo is peanuts.

    On my Mac, on the other hand, I use ProtonVPN, where (I think) they are not spying on me, I can chose the country, I can Torrent* or stream if so I please, and have a VM with TAILS (yes, I know, TAILS on a VM is not the most secure, but I have no money for 2 PCs, and booting TAILS from a pen-drive is a pain in the nuts).

    Moral of the story is: use the tool best fitted for the job.

    And in the end, I'd rather have mark suckerberg spying on me than Nicolas Maduro...

    * Right now, among other things, I am seeding Tails i386 2.12 (the last one with I2P), Latest tails, latest Kali, CrunchbangPP 32 and 64, and libreoffice win32 and LO for OSX...

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  12. You lost me at 'Israeli VPN company' by buttfuckinpimpnugget · · Score: 0

    lol

  13. Re: Can't trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have diarrhea.

  14. Re: Can't trust Facebook anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering you seem to know exactly what the issue is, and you keep coming back to it and repeating the problem when nobody else is...

    It speaks more about you than anyone else :p

  15. How did it collect data on other apps? by mccalli · · Score: 2

    This is the right thing to do but I'm in interested in the technical detail - I thought apps were sandboxed and couldn't know about each other. How did it collect info? Are they talking network destinations via the VPN, or actual on-device discovery of apps.

    1. Re:How did it collect data on other apps? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing. it is great that Apple did this. But, if these actions violate their policy, why not make them technically impossible?

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    2. Re:How did it collect data on other apps? by ecmcn · · Score: 1

      Onavo is probably using the standard VPN APIs and just inferring what apps are installed by watching the network traffic. Many apps have a server component they talk to, so that's not too difficult. There are network APIs on iOS (Content Filter, Per-App VPN) that will let you directly associate network traffic with apps, but they're targeted for enterprise security products and require supervised devices and/or MDM to get set up, so it isn't something you see typical consumer apps like this using.

    3. Re:How did it collect data on other apps? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      It doesn't. Onavo only sets up a VPN for the iOS Safari browser. So it'll redirect browser based web apps (i.e. not downloaded from the app store) via their servers where it can be sniffed. But real apps (downloaded from the app store) are not redirected, and cannot be sniffed.

  16. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Is Venezuela socialist?

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  17. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by johnsie · · Score: 2

    No, it's a messed up dictatorship run by a former bus driver who is way out of his depth.

  18. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by jittles · · Score: 1

    No, it's a messed up dictatorship run by a former bus driver who is way out of his depth.

    When I lived in Venezuela, the bus drivers (who owned their own buses) were upper middle class. Some of them made over US$100 a day. My apartment at the time cost me US$10 per month. I usually spent about US$5 a week on groceries. Most of them were not well educated, but their children often were. However, most of them were pretty smart people. They just lacked the opportunity to learn more. I'm not trying to say anything about Maduro. He's obviously a tool. But the kinds of people who had the time and money to run for public office there were the upper middle class. The truly rich people were too busy exploiting everyone else to actually wield power directly themselves. I expect most of them have left the country by now.

  19. Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuckerberg, I fart in your direction! #FuckZuck

  20. Remember what the product is by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    When companies say "which it uses to improve its own products" you have to think, what is the product? One of Facebook's products is aggregated data about FB users. So any kind of covert information gathering is used to improve their product of providing information.

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  21. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    I was asking the man who actually lives in Venezuela, not people anxious to remove the taint of yet another horrible failure from the "good brand" of socialism. For you, here's Jeremy Corbyn, a man who has been a socialist all his life and who knows socialism when he sees it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    "Chavez ... showed us that there is a different, and a better way of doing things. It's called socialism".

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  22. In other news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, a janitor caught Zuckerberg masturbating in a broom closet yesterday. The CEO was reportedly strokin' the mini-sausage while reviewing his 2019 plans to squash free speech, be one of the biggest censors in the history of media, and generalized douchebaggery. The list reportedly went on for 235 pages.

  23. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rosie O'Donnell went to Venezuela. She broke wind. Initially mistaken as another Tunguska-type event, the rolling yellow-green clouds of toxic gas and suspended bovine fecal matter told another story. Small animals were struck down in an instant. Larger beings, like young children fared better but in many cases were unable to escape the blast radius of O'Donnell's ass. Caracas is in shambles, appearing as if one massive tornado had enveloped and ravaged the entire city.

    I was interrupted as a little bird fell from the sky, landing on the pavement directly in front of me. He didn't have the benefit of running around in MOPP 4 in 95 degree heat so upon exposure with the vile gas it... just died. It flailed around on the ground for a moment before falling silent.

    I looked out and saw the once fine green landscape wither and die. "Climate change!" it was heard more than once. But for those of us who were there, we know the truth. Humans are responsible for global warming, but only so long as we can find a way to control the emissions of Rosie O'Donnell's ass. Otherwise, it will continue to spew uncontrolled quantities of methane, hydrogen sulfide, and yeast by-products, among other things.

    Please, help today.

    Send contributions to:
    The Committee to Close Rosie O'Donnell's Caldara of an Asshole
    (202) 224-6542

  24. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Chavez is long dead you moron.

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  25. next up it'll be your iots by whaling701 · · Score: 1

    apple's makin moves!... was actually just reading about this re onavo - https://acreto.io/facebook/fac... - i reckon they're on to something, the Book's after your IoTs, devices, etc. what's next???

  26. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
    So Venezuela magically became non-socialist when he died? How does that work? I think Jeremy Corbyn knows socialism when he sees it.

    As for Maduro, he publicly called Bernie Sanders "our revolutionary friend" and praised his candidacy. Pretty odd thing for a non-socialist to do.

    Tourists flock not to the beaches, but the slums to see '21st-century socialism'
    From a trickle a few years ago there are now thousands, travelling individually and on package tours, exploring a leftwing mecca which promises to build social justice in the form of "21st century socialism".

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  27. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need an awful lot of words to say that you are an idiot.

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  31. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    So Venezuela magically became non-socialist when he died? How does that work?

    The same way the US became a undemocratic shithole when Trump was (or rather wasn't) elected.

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  32. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    It's always a pleasure to see whataboutism deployed for its original purpose, distracting from the failures of socialism.

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
  33. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    It's always a pleasure to see whataboutism deployed for its original purpose, distracting from the failures of socialism.

    You know as much about whataboutism as about Socialism as about just about anything you can't stop talking about - if you knew how to do an image search the Dunning-Kruger-effect, you'd find your face.

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  34. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    OK this is funny now - in addition to more whataboutism, you're now using the ad hominem fallacy. At no point did you refute or even address the fact that Venezuela is socialist.

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
  35. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Hey, don*t blame me for you being stupid, and for me having to point it out to you, because you are obviously too stupid to notice.

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  36. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    You've got no arguments - absolutely nothing. Just childish insults. Boy, it must burn watching your favorite socialist country fall apart.

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!