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Apple Removes Facebook's Onavo Security App From the App Store (cnbc.com)

Apple has removed Facebook's Onavo security app from the App Store because it violated the company's privacy rules. In a statement to CNBC, an Apple spokesperson said: "We work hard to protect user privacy and data security throughout the Apple ecosystem. With the latest update to our guidelines, we made it explicitly clear that apps should not collect information about which other apps are installed on a user's device for the purposes of analytics or advertising/marketing and must make it clear what user data will be collected and how it will be used." From the report: According to a Wall Street Journal story on Wednesday, citing a person familiar with the matter, Apple officials told Facebook last week that Onavo violated the company's rules on data collection by developers, and suggested last Thursday that Facebook voluntarily remove the app. Facebook acquired Israel-based Onavo in 2013, snapping up the free security app that lets users access a virtual private network, or VPN, to browse the web and download apps with a greater degree of privacy. Facebook in the past has offered that service to users without clearly disclosing that its owns the app, and has collected data about what other types of apps those customers use. In June, Facebook told Congress that it does not use Onavo data "for Facebook product uses" or to collect information about individuals, but it has admitted to using Onavo to gather broad information about which apps are popular and how people are using them, which it uses to improve its own products.

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  1. Too bad... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    Too bad this isn't a fight to the death.

  2. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    AC a VPN should be expected not to collect on any usage. Thats the reason for getting a VPN.

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  3. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    AC a VPN should offer that "privacy" part of VPN. Not just the "network" part.

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  4. Apple by tsa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why I love Apple and pay premium prices for their stuff. They care about their customers.

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    1. Re:Apple by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Nothing about the status you perceive yourself to have by publicly displaying the Apple logo? After all, everyone knows they're expensive. You're displaying it in public. You sure it's their service, invisible to the outside world, that you like the most?

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    2. Re:Apple by Daneel+Olivaw+R.+ · · Score: 1

      so you are happy in letting them decide what you can and cannot have on your phone?

    3. Re:Apple by tsa · · Score: 1

      Yes. I let them judge the safety of my apps because they know more about that than I do and I have better things to do.

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    4. Re:Apple by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      They care about their customers.

      By dictating with whom you may or may not do business?

    5. Re:Apple by mccalli · · Score: 2

      I mean, that's blatantly untrue because they could. And they don't. Whether it's going to be true in 20 years time when the next gen of people running the company take over is interesting, but today? I mean, they literally went to court fight the FBI over customer privacy.

    6. Re:Apple by johnsie · · Score: 1

      They care about their customers money and overcharge for everything. FTFY.

    7. Re:Apple by johnsie · · Score: 1

      If you're running a rooted android then your phone has already been exploited at least once during the rooting process. If you're not using a rooted phone then you are also allowing a certain level of control to be held by the manufacturer. If you're sideloading apps on a rooted android then you are a complete idiot. So Mr security expect man, what do you think is the best option?

    8. Re:Apple by tsa · · Score: 1

      I don't care what other people think about me and I don't care what they use either. Why do you care what I think?

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    9. Re:Apple by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You may not have noticed by Google removed a similar VPN service from their Play store last week, for exactly the same reason. If anything it looks like Apple saw that and realized that they were not adequately checking VPNs on their own app store.

      The issue is the lack of a proper privacy policy, not the fact that they spy on you. Spying is fine, as long as it's clearly stated in the privacy policy. Otherwise they would have banned the Facebook app too.

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    10. Re:Apple by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      See, if that was actually true you wouldn't be in public bragging to everyone how great Apple products are, and that you are proud to own one.

      Human status display isn't something we can stop consciously doing. It's built in to our brains.

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    11. Re:Apple by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      They are about their profits. That is all. If tomorrow apple could make more money selling your info they would.

      What, you mean they couldn't have already done that? Because they are waiting for someone to actually offer even more then they could sell it for now? What kind of logic is that? Even Alex Jones is shaking his head reading your post.

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    12. Re: Apple by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Apple is unwilling to share any of your value once you're locked in.

      So now you are saying that Apple does not at any price want to share user data with anybody else, but keep all to itself. Which is the exact opposite of what you were just claiming.

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    13. Re:Apple by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Nothing about the status you perceive yourself to have by publicly displaying the Apple logo? A

      As opposed to those displaying the usually bigger logo of their non-Apple devices? Do you suffer logo envy?

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    14. Re:Apple by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      You may not have noticed by Google removed a similar VPN service from their Play store last week, for exactly the same reason. If anything it looks like Apple saw that and realized that they were not adequately checking VPNs on their own app store.

      Errm, yeah. Maybe Google should also remove the Onavo app? Or at fucking least the app that calls itself "Onavo Protect" but isn't from Onavo? https://play.google.com/store/...

      You can pretend that the fact that Google last year removed over 700k apps from the play store as a security win, but you are only fooling yourself.

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    15. Re:Apple by tsa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So I'm not allowed to tell people why I like certain things? That's ridiculous.

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  5. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

    You are being trolled. Don't feed it

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  6. I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep using by williamyf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I already told A LOT about me to Facebook, on my own volition. What they are able to collect with Onavo is peanuts in comparison.

    I also tend to recomend Onavo, but ONLY in facebook. After all, if some contact of mine reads my recomendation in Facebook, it means that they too have given FB enough info so far that what FB collects through Onavo is peanuts.

    I use Onavo in my android Phone. Onavo is easy to set up, easy to use, free, mantained by a well known company that will be here tomorrow, and let's me access sites my oppresive government deems unappropiate, as well as sites that are collateral damage of the censorship. I do not need to define the country I use to connect, nor am I torrenting, or streaming on my phone.

    What's not to like? Spying? Again, I told FB all they need to know, whatever they gather through Onavo is peanuts.

    On my Mac, on the other hand, I use ProtonVPN, where (I think) they are not spying on me, I can chose the country, I can Torrent* or stream if so I please, and have a VM with TAILS (yes, I know, TAILS on a VM is not the most secure, but I have no money for 2 PCs, and booting TAILS from a pen-drive is a pain in the nuts).

    Moral of the story is: use the tool best fitted for the job.

    And in the end, I'd rather have mark suckerberg spying on me than Nicolas Maduro...

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  7. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    AC the reason to use such a product is not to be collected on.
    Getting collected on further down the network is not what was expected.

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  8. Re:Big Surprise! by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

    Facebook violated user privacy.

    Did they though? In the apps description of what it does, they clearly tell you that they collect your mobile data traffic and analyze your use of websites, apps, and data.

    "To provide this layer of protection, Onavo uses a VPN to establish a secure connection to direct all of your network communications through Onavo's servers. As part of this process, Onavo collects your mobile data traffic. This helps us improve and operate the Onavo service by analyzing your use of websites, apps and data. Because we're part of Facebook, we also use this info to improve Facebook products and services, gain insights into the products and services people value, and build better experiences."

    https://i.imgur.com/brwV0V0.jpg

  9. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Its not "wishful thinking" when its collecting on the user AC... that would be a question of design.
    To collect or not to collect.

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  10. How did it collect data on other apps? by mccalli · · Score: 2

    This is the right thing to do but I'm in interested in the technical detail - I thought apps were sandboxed and couldn't know about each other. How did it collect info? Are they talking network destinations via the VPN, or actual on-device discovery of apps.

    1. Re:How did it collect data on other apps? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing. it is great that Apple did this. But, if these actions violate their policy, why not make them technically impossible?

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    2. Re:How did it collect data on other apps? by ecmcn · · Score: 1

      Onavo is probably using the standard VPN APIs and just inferring what apps are installed by watching the network traffic. Many apps have a server component they talk to, so that's not too difficult. There are network APIs on iOS (Content Filter, Per-App VPN) that will let you directly associate network traffic with apps, but they're targeted for enterprise security products and require supervised devices and/or MDM to get set up, so it isn't something you see typical consumer apps like this using.

    3. Re:How did it collect data on other apps? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      It doesn't. Onavo only sets up a VPN for the iOS Safari browser. So it'll redirect browser based web apps (i.e. not downloaded from the app store) via their servers where it can be sniffed. But real apps (downloaded from the app store) are not redirected, and cannot be sniffed.

  11. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Is Venezuela socialist?

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  12. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by johnsie · · Score: 1

    They should be forced to delete any data they have collected, permanently and irreversibly.

  13. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by johnsie · · Score: 2

    No, it's a messed up dictatorship run by a former bus driver who is way out of his depth.

  14. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by jittles · · Score: 1

    No, it's a messed up dictatorship run by a former bus driver who is way out of his depth.

    When I lived in Venezuela, the bus drivers (who owned their own buses) were upper middle class. Some of them made over US$100 a day. My apartment at the time cost me US$10 per month. I usually spent about US$5 a week on groceries. Most of them were not well educated, but their children often were. However, most of them were pretty smart people. They just lacked the opportunity to learn more. I'm not trying to say anything about Maduro. He's obviously a tool. But the kinds of people who had the time and money to run for public office there were the upper middle class. The truly rich people were too busy exploiting everyone else to actually wield power directly themselves. I expect most of them have left the country by now.

  15. Remember what the product is by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    When companies say "which it uses to improve its own products" you have to think, what is the product? One of Facebook's products is aggregated data about FB users. So any kind of covert information gathering is used to improve their product of providing information.

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  16. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    I was asking the man who actually lives in Venezuela, not people anxious to remove the taint of yet another horrible failure from the "good brand" of socialism. For you, here's Jeremy Corbyn, a man who has been a socialist all his life and who knows socialism when he sees it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    "Chavez ... showed us that there is a different, and a better way of doing things. It's called socialism".

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  17. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Chavez is long dead you moron.

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  18. next up it'll be your iots by whaling701 · · Score: 1

    apple's makin moves!... was actually just reading about this re onavo - https://acreto.io/facebook/fac... - i reckon they're on to something, the Book's after your IoTs, devices, etc. what's next???

  19. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
    So Venezuela magically became non-socialist when he died? How does that work? I think Jeremy Corbyn knows socialism when he sees it.

    As for Maduro, he publicly called Bernie Sanders "our revolutionary friend" and praised his candidacy. Pretty odd thing for a non-socialist to do.

    Tourists flock not to the beaches, but the slums to see '21st-century socialism'
    From a trickle a few years ago there are now thousands, travelling individually and on package tours, exploring a leftwing mecca which promises to build social justice in the form of "21st century socialism".

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  21. Re:Big Surprise! by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter if they own up to doing it when it's against Apple's rules for developers.

  22. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    So Venezuela magically became non-socialist when he died? How does that work?

    The same way the US became a undemocratic shithole when Trump was (or rather wasn't) elected.

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  23. Re:Canâ(TM)t trust Facebook anymore by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    The "transit" part is secure until its collected on. The collection part should not be happening AC.

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  24. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    It's always a pleasure to see whataboutism deployed for its original purpose, distracting from the failures of socialism.

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  25. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    It's always a pleasure to see whataboutism deployed for its original purpose, distracting from the failures of socialism.

    You know as much about whataboutism as about Socialism as about just about anything you can't stop talking about - if you knew how to do an image search the Dunning-Kruger-effect, you'd find your face.

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  26. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    OK this is funny now - in addition to more whataboutism, you're now using the ad hominem fallacy. At no point did you refute or even address the fact that Venezuela is socialist.

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  27. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Hey, don*t blame me for you being stupid, and for me having to point it out to you, because you are obviously too stupid to notice.

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  28. Re:I live in Venezuela, use Onavo and will keep us by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    You've got no arguments - absolutely nothing. Just childish insults. Boy, it must burn watching your favorite socialist country fall apart.

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