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No Healthy Level of Alcohol Consumption, Says Major Study (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Even the occasional drink is harmful to health, according to the largest and most detailed research carried out on the effects of alcohol, which suggests governments should think of advising people to abstain completely. The uncompromising message comes from the authors of the Global Burden of Diseases study, a rolling project based at the University of Washington, in Seattle, which produces the most comprehensive data on the causes of illness and death in the world. Alcohol, says their report published in the Lancet medical journal, led to 2.8 million deaths in 2016. It was the leading risk factor for premature mortality and disability in the 15 to 49 age group, accounting for 20% of deaths. The study was carried out by researchers at the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME), who investigated levels of alcohol consumption and health effects in 195 countries between 1990 to 2016. They used data from 694 studies to work out how common drinking was and from 592 studies including 28 million people worldwide to work out the health risks. According to the report, "27.1% of cancer deaths in women and 18.9% in men over 50 were linked to their drinking habits." The biggest causes of death linked to alcohol in younger people were tuberculosis (1.4% of deaths), road injuries (1.2%), and self-harm (1.1%).

"Worldwide we need to revisit alcohol control policies and health programs, and to consider recommendations for abstaining from alcohol," said the report's senior author, Professor Emmanuela Gakidou. "These include excise taxes on alcohol, controlling the physical availability of alcohol and the hours of sale, and controlling alcohol advertising. Any of these policy actions would contribute to reductions in population-level consumption, a vital step toward decreasing the health loss associated with alcohol use."

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  1. Well Fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean... I'm here for a good time, not for a long time.

    1. Re:Well Fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have to love the quote at the end of the Guardian article, though it really should have been put at the beginning:

      But David Spiegelhalter, Winton professor for the public understanding of risk at the University of Cambridge, said the data showed only a very low level of harm in moderate drinkers and suggested UK guidelines were very low risk.

      “Given the pleasure presumably associated with moderate drinking, claiming there is no ‘safe’ level does not seem an argument for abstention,” he said. “There is no safe level of driving, but government do not recommend that people avoid driving. Come to think of it, there is no safe level of living, but nobody would recommend abstention.”

    2. Re:Well Fuck by sad_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      maybe so, but your quality of life will suffer much earlier then somebody who lives healthy.
      you won't be able to do some things anymore when you're 40, while the 'healthy' person probably still can.
      will you have done all the items on your bucket list when you're 50 or 60?
      i agree that there is a limit, i don't see the point in reaching 100 years of age, it will be miserable, so far nobody that age is still well enough to actually have a quality life. but i want to enjoy doing everything i love for as long as i can. (those things don't include consuming alcohol, for me)

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    3. Re: Well Fuck by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is true - smoking pot can lead to emphysema. It's still less likely than inhaling smoke from wood or coal burning, but yeah, some potheads will smoke in such excess that they may suffer from emphysema at some point.

      But that's why I exclusively consume edibles! All the benefits, including health benefits, of cannabis, and none of the downsides.

      Edibles, gentlemen, it's the right thing to do.

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    4. Re:Well Fuck by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      maybe so, but your quality of life will suffer much earlier then somebody who lives healthy. you won't be able to do some things anymore when you're 40, while the 'healthy' person probably still can. will you have done all the items on your bucket list when you're 50 or 60?

      Let me tell you about my mother in law. Non smoker, non drinker. Plenty of exercise.

      This woman was the very archetype of the modern healthy adult livin the dream well into old age.

      She caught dementia at 68, and it took her 10 years to die. The thing with dementia is that it doesn't just affect your mind. Her bones kind ot rotted, her bodily functions slowed down gradually, and she wasn't a happy demented person, but one of the ones who cry constantly.

      I would take death right now to avoid that.

      If you really want to live to an ancient age, by all means do. But I'll take quality over longevity every time. The only people that make out in the life extension game are the ones running nursing homes.

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  2. Hence the Ban on Pot by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So you know exactly why the alchohol companies spent so much to keep pot banned. Also the amount of profit generated by the alchohol industries is greater than the cost of the damage caused by alchohol, privative the profit, socialise the loss.

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    1. Re:Hence the Ban on Pot by smi.james.th · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, parts of the profit are socialised as well. No government will advise citizens not to drink at all because they all get a juicy "sin tax" on the sale of alcohol.

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  3. Re:And still by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Wrong, cannabis is absolutely NOT a carcinogen, however any kind of smoke irritates the lung alveoli and is a carcinogen on that basis. Calling it marijuana is fine, you're a twat.

  4. Re:Did they study... by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now, were they good babies that turned into good citizens or were they produced by the genes of the lazy incompetent losers, born with alchohol damage to boot and raised quite 'er' indifferently and went on to become very unproductive custodial existences after leaving a trail of victims. Just saying, alchohol probably not the best thing for effective family planning. Taking those actual lives into account, probably killed more people again on top as a result of the extremely poor breeding outcomes. I would think it would be sound to provide free intoxicating substances to the people, as long as birth control drugs where incorporated there in and make planning family more important than drunken fucking.

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  5. Re:Denmark vs. Pakistan by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Denmark and Norway are also ~90% caucasian, and both countries have a strong Christian/Western Europe-based culture. Does that have anything to do with the wealth, health, and lifespan?

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  6. Hmmmm..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nope. It's the beer.

  7. Re:And still by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >"the number of Marijuana deaths is zero."

    That is just nonsense (and, actually, irresponsible). For one, ANYTHING you are doing that requires your peak senses and/or rationality will be negatively impacted by using Marijuana. For things like driving, surgery, operating dangerous power tools, whatever, it is not a good idea to be "altered". And claiming that throughout all history, being high on pot has not directly caused or contributed to death, is just *ridiculous*.

    And if the choice of consumption of Marijuana involves SMOKING it (instead of eating it, ingesting a pill, or vaporizing it, or whatnot), well, let's just say that breathing in any type of smoke into the lungs is very unhealthy, no matter what type it is.

    Now, if you were to say something more reasonable like "Marijuana is the safest illicit drug" most would readily agree with you. If you were to say it was safer than alcohol, again, most people would probably agree.

  8. Re:And still by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    literally no one in the world except you knows it has racist origins. even less people care. and even less intentionally use it in any part as some kind of racial slur. this kind of overly p.c. shit is why we have trump; knock it the fuck off. you're not helping anyone.

  9. This is only half of the story by hyades1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Alcohol, says their report published in the Lancet medical journal, led to 2.8 million deaths in 2016."

    These idiots clearly failed to grasp the other half of the equation. Alcohol probably prevented just as many deaths. Let's face it, if you couldn't decompress with a couple of beers after work, sooner or later you'd wind up skinning your boss with a letter opener and skull-fucking the company president and his snotty secretary to death with the rolled up hide.

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  10. Re:Left out the key statement by Cyberax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a teetotaler. I don't see myself excluded from social life, except for drunken parties that I don't care about. Perhaps you mistake your alcoholism for "social life"?

  11. Re:No this is not nonsense by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When people speaks of marijuana death they usually do not speak about secondary death (accident, inattention) because that criteria tells nothing about the LD50 of drugs.

    And yet, this article about alcohol does, in fact, include "secondary death (accident, inattention)" as part and parcel of the alcohol deaths....

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  12. Re:And still by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Also, please call it cannabis instead of "marijuana," which has racist origins.

    Oh fuck off with this tripe.

  13. I'll wait a week... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...until either the next major study or the next 5 minor studies contradicts it.

  14. Re:That's part of the problem. by x0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My dad made homemade wine for decades. Never over-consumed. Profited no one. His consumption was as close to balanced as it gets. But the thing is, his wine tasted awful...because alcohol tastes awful. In every single form. Not to see this is to lie to yourself.

    No, it tastes awful to you...

    I enjoy many types of alcoholic beverages just fine, as do the vast majority or people. If it were truly that bad, and people had to lie to themselves to 'enjoy' it, alcohol consumption would be a fringe affectation.

    Stop projecting your experiences on others; It's annoying and smacks of virtue signaling.

    m

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