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Six To Eight Hours of Sleep Best For the Heart, Says Study (theguardian.com)

Research shows sleep deprivation or excessive hours in bed increase risk of coronary artery disease or stroke. From a report: Six to eight hours of sleep a night is most beneficial for the heart, while more or less than that could increase the risk of coronary artery disease or a stroke, researchers have suggested. The study, presented at the European Society of Cardiology Congress in Munich, indicates sleep deprivation and excessive hours in bed should be avoided for optimum heart health. The study's author, Dr Epameinondas Fountas of the Onassis cardiac surgery centre in Athens, said: "Our findings suggest that too much or too little sleep may be bad for the heart. More research is needed to clarify exactly why, but we do know that sleep influences biological processes like glucose metabolism, blood pressure, and inflammations -- all of which have an impact on cardiovascular disease." Data from more than a million adults from 11 studies was analysed as part of the research. Compared with adults who got six to eight hours of sleep a night, "short sleepers" had an 11% greater risk, while "long sleepers" had 33% increased risk over the next nine years.

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  1. If you don't sleep enough... by SqueakyMouse · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you don't sleep enough, you'll get heart disease. But don't let it keep you awake at night.

    1. Re:If you don't sleep enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beans, beans, good for the heart

      The more you eat

      Great for the heart!

    2. Re:If you don't sleep enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lol'd.

  2. Better shorter than longer by manu0601 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Short sleepers and heavy sleepers have lower life expectancy. At least if you are a short sleepers, you actually enjoyed your short time.

    1. Re:Better shorter than longer by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      what if the heavy sleepers have better and more wet dreams

    2. Re:Better shorter than longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > At least if you are a short sleepers, you actually enjoyed your short time.

      That's rather presumptuous. Some people enjoy their sleep. Some people have multiple, miserable jobs they despise but have to be at during all their waking hours to make ends meet. Why do you think it's so hard for some people to get out of bed and face the day?

    3. Re:Better shorter than longer by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      But they also need to remember them after wake up.

    4. Re:Better shorter than longer by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      that's what the starched spot in the shorts is for

  3. What if ... by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    What if you sleep standing upright ?

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    1. Re:What if ... by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      You die. Horribly.

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    2. Re:What if ... by PPH · · Score: 1

      Split the difference. Sleep seated.

      t.busdriver

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    3. Re:What if ... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      What if you sleep standing upright ?

      Then you're Mr. Ed, the stable genius.

    4. Re:What if ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then your a member of the US Marine Corps (at least from my experience in bootcamp)

    5. Re:What if ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably, or you're a dedicated night owl that only quasi-sleeps. I used to be puzzled as to how I was good to go on seemingly only a couple hours of sleep, then after a few months of tracking my sleep via a Zeo brain wave monitor, I realize that what was happening was that I was thinking while sleeping.

      Which explains how I can sleep standing up with my eyes open when I get tired enough. Doesn't even require propping up against anything. Not that I recommend it, sleep you get like that is not good sleep, but it is useful if you're in a situation where you need to be on the look out constantly.

    6. Re:What if ... by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      What if you sleep standing upright ?

      In times gone by, poor itinerant workers and homeless people did that. Ropes were slung across rooms (stables and cellars generally) and people slumped over them for the night. Hence the expression "I am so tired I could sleep on a clothes line" :- Seen here

    7. Re:What if ... by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Never saw this before or even imagined it to have existed. Thanks.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_penny_coffin

  4. Correlation =/= Causation. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe the people who sleep more or less have sleep differences as s SYMPTOM of some process that causes artery disease.

    1. Re:Correlation =/= Causation. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, I bet the researchers never thought of that.

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    2. Re:Correlation =/= Causation. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The researchers may have thought about this. The journos who skimmed the article abstract may not have.

    3. Re:Correlation =/= Causation. by quenda · · Score: 1

      It is just a "meta study", grabbing other people's real work and aggregating it. I do not see any effort to go beyond correlation.
      Cobbled together because of the pressure to publish, and make conference presentations.

      The article, and others googled, are very thin on detail.

    4. Re:Correlation =/= Causation. by psnyder · · Score: 2

      Exactly. Indulging in unhealthy habits can (sometimes) cause a person to sleep longer. Exercise, and it's easier to get up in the morning.

    5. Re:Correlation =/= Causation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      unhealthy habits like a crappy job, that has you work 12 hours then be on call - repeat, exercise won't help much with that.

    6. Re:Correlation =/= Causation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they are knowingly peddling some career-boosting bullshit for reasons other than a deep love of science.

    7. Re:Correlation =/= Causation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since i am a Greek, and the study was made by a Greek...

      It is just a "meta study", [...]

      Yes

      [...] grabbing other people's real work and aggregating it.

      It is a diploma thesis (i don't know if this is the correct term in English) for a Greek university, departments of medical school and mathematics school, in the field of BIO-STATISTICS!

      I do not see any effort to go beyond correlation.

      Well... BIO-STATISTICS...

      Cobbled together because of the pressure to publish, and make conference presentations.

      No, just a (good enough to be presented in the European Society of Cardiology Congress?) diploma thesis!

      The article, and others googled, are very thin on detail

      The diploma thesis (my English is not good - how is your Greek?!).

    8. Re:Correlation =/= Causation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How easy it is to get up in the morning is a function of a few things. One is how rested you are generally, but another is just the time of day that you're sleeping. A night owl is not likely to ever wake up early in the morning consistently no matter how early they go to bed, the body temperature in the morning is just going to be too low.

      I'm personally a dedicated night owl and it takes a tremendous amount of discipline to get in bed and asleep before midnight, and even when I do, I have to artificially raise my core body temperature when I wake up, otherwise, it can take hours before I'm fully functioning again. Doesn't matter how rested I am.

    9. Re: Correlation =/= Causation. by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      If you publish stupid studies like this you get more money to publish more stupid studies. Coronary fucking heart disease comes from meat protien heavy diets, refined flour, and sugar that you consume hand over fist. Anything to distract from this fact is rewarded.

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    10. Re: Correlation =/= Causation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Coronary fucking heart disease comes from meat protien heavy diets

      Found the braindead Vegan fag. Go eat a steak, Veganfag, the malnutrition has finally affected your cognitive function. Also maybe you'll get proper erections and stop wanting to dress like a woman.

    11. Re:Correlation =/= Causation. by OpenSourced · · Score: 1

      Sure they thought about that. And then went ahead regardless, for several reason, some of them even good ones. One that comes to mind is that just knowing it as a symptom can be useful for diagnosis. But the point stands, to prove causation you'd have to make a very different kind of study. The problem with this pseudo-news snippets is that people assumes that they should change their sleep patterns, creating possibly more harm than good in the process.

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  5. Long Sleepers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Could the risks associated with excessive sleep be caused by other factors? For example, somebody who sleeps excessively likely doesn't have a job. The perpetually unemployed tend to have no discipline, don't exercise, are more likely to drink and smoke, and eat poor diets even though healthier food is cheaper. These factors would obviously lead to a much greater chance of coronary artery disease or a stroke.

    1. Re:Long Sleepers by mikael · · Score: 1

      You change the pressure conditions on the heart. The human heart has four chambers - two to push arterial blood through the body, two to pull venous blood from the body. Fail to move around enough and you end up with some chambers growing too much muscle and enlarging, while the other chambers will lose strength. Usually this means that the arterial side of the heart gets larger so blood is pushed at higher pressure through the body while not being pulled back up from the legs, leading to swelling and other problems like infections.

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    2. Re: Long Sleepers by datavirtue · · Score: 0

      Try getting healthy food prepared for you. Eating out is almost off the table if you are eating healthy. I eat plant based whole foods which are nearly impossible to find even at vegetarian friendly restaurants.

      I recently ate a medeterranian restaurant that sourced all of thier vegetables, cheese and grass fed meat locally but thier pita wraps and pasta were made of refined flour. I asked before hand if the wraps or pasta were whole grain and it was deer in the headlights. We have a long way to go.

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    3. Re: Long Sleepers by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      Try getting healthy food prepared for you ...... We have a long way to go.

      You have a long way to go, not me.

  6. Why not go back to the sleep schedule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    of the middle ages? They lacked bright artificial light so they would naturally fall asleep early, not blasting their eyes with 100 watt incandescent or equivalent or computer screens with blue light. Then they'd sleep for about four hours, wake up for a few hours and spend that time praying, reading, helping bring in another brother or sister for their children, keeping watch over the fort, invading the neighbors, etc. Then they'd fall asleep again for another four or so hours.

    Natural. Healthy. Refreshing. What happened to it? Are we losing our culture and history?

    1. Re:Why not go back to the sleep schedule by spaceman375 · · Score: 1

      A bit long winded, but right on the money. I doubt the researchers could tell if the people in the study slept in 2 blocks - all the studies they examined were asking about total number of hours, but not if they were contiguous.
          A rare event, but I'm asking: Please mod this AC up.

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    2. Re:Why not go back to the sleep schedule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Read Matthew Walkers book on sleep. He specifically talks about this sleeping pattern in the Victorians. In short, it was a social construct and is not biologically natural, nor is it good for you. Humans are biologically programmed to sleep about 8 hours at night and about 1 hour in the early afternoon.

    3. Re:Why not go back to the sleep schedule by cyn1c77 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      of the middle ages? They lacked bright artificial light so they would naturally fall asleep early, not blasting their eyes with 100 watt incandescent or equivalent or computer screens with blue light. Then they'd sleep for about four hours, wake up for a few hours and spend that time praying, reading, helping bring in another brother or sister for their children, keeping watch over the fort, invading the neighbors, etc. Then they'd fall asleep again for another four or so hours.

      Natural. Healthy. Refreshing. What happened to it? Are we losing our culture and history?

      I question your logic. Wasn't the average life expectancy during that period about 30 years?

      Edit: No, I was wrong. 31.3 years.

      This plan sounds neither healthy or refreshing!

    4. Re:Why not go back to the sleep schedule by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Average life expectancy was low mainly due to infant mortality and common infections.

    5. Re:Why not go back to the sleep schedule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you adjust for childhood mortality due to conditions that are now treatable, but weren't back then, you wind up with a figure that's much closer to the current than it was back then.

      The main reason that the life expectancy was that low was that childhood mortality rates were sky high compared with now, as were pregnancy related deaths and death due to accident.

      People tended to be healthy throughout what life they had and when they did fall ill, they tended to die much more quickly, none of that hanging on half-alive for 10 years stuff.

      Or in other words, you can't make a direct comparison like that as too much has changed. It would be more honest to compare their health to those in the current time that are living a similar lifestyle.

    6. Re:Why not go back to the sleep schedule by mikael · · Score: 2

      I did that on my last job. The bus service was so unreliable that even if I left work at 5.30pm to catch the 5.45pm bus, there was no guarantee that it would arrive, since it was on a 2 hour schedule (suburban city had stretched services to the limit). So that involved a walk down to another bus stop, for another inter-city bus service by a private company. That bus would only complete the whole route if more than five people were on it by the time it left the bypass of the departing major city. That was on a 30 minute service and sometimes a bus would be taken out of service even if it was still going back to the station. So I wouldn't get home until 8pm. Enough time to have something to eat, then I would crash out due to the NO2 from the traffic fumes I had inhaled. I'd wake up at 12.30am, stay up until 4am, then go back to bed until 8am.

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    7. Re: Why not go back to the sleep schedule by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      As someone else mentions, infant mortality plays a huge part in that average. But that aside, your own logic is flawed: just because people were dying younger doesn't mean they weren't sleeping better. Indeed, it could be that they were sleeping worse than us, but you certainly can't draw any conclusions based on a single, inherently misleading number like average life expectancy.

    8. Re:Why not go back to the sleep schedule by Rolgar · · Score: 1

      How do they calculate the Life Expectancy? Is it an average? With lots of babies and kids dying pulling the average age down. It could be then that most adults would then live until about 50. I'd be interested in seeing an age distribution of the deceased in calculating this number.

    9. Re:Why not go back to the sleep schedule by Moskit · · Score: 1

      Life expectancy was so low due to very high baby/infant mortality at the time.

      Statistics are tricky.

    10. Re:Why not go back to the sleep schedule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you go back before the middle ages, people didn't have that mid-break. If you're going to read a study, make sure to make a habit of also reading any studies which are published in counter to the original study. The rebuttal studies aren't always right, but only looking at one side of an issue means you'll often be more wrong than right.

    11. Re:Why not go back to the sleep schedule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sleeping pattern is still practiced today by monks, priests, and deacons of the Christian church. They live longer on average than those of any other profession on average.

    12. Re:Why not go back to the sleep schedule by houghi · · Score: 1

      That is the average. But families where much larger, so about 50% of the people where older than the average.

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  7. Holy shit by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    A normal amount of sleep is good for you. Who could have guessed?

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    1. Re:Holy shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you admit Trump's abnormalities are bad for him, that's refreshing. Thanks for reaching over the aisle.

    2. Re:Holy shit by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      That's a bit too strong. People who happen to sleep a normal amount, also happen to have fewer heart problems. The real cause could be something else.

  8. It's obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Onassis cardiac surgery centre in Athens.

    You'll live longer if you stop smoking cigarettes and smashing opera singers and New York socialites. And the yachting. Yachting's bad.

  9. Salt, Alcohol, Carbs, Protein, Fats, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all good for you our bad for you because scientists have determined... something or other...

  10. checks out by LilxPaprika · · Score: 1

    this checks out with my life experience especially if I do intermittent fasting, I find I have more energy and wake up with just say 6 to 7 hours of sleep.

  11. Get a good night's sleep because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tomorrow we're going to list 80 new foods that are so bad for you it will keep you awake at night!!!

  12. 4 hours is all you need by elcor · · Score: 1

    I know it won't shock anyone but I think it's important to reframe that western scientists study westerners. This means that they study people with poor mental and physical health. I went to rural India and everyone spends 4 hours of sleep max. Ashrams, same, vibrant and beaming with energy, never sick. (it's exhausting to sleep in one of those dormitories because they're always chatting or doing stuff like playing games until 2 am) Turkey, 5 hours, all healthy.

    1. Re:4 hours is all you need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The short answer, is that they aren't getting 4 hours of sleep. They are humans and with only 4 hours of sleep they'd be having issues with toxic chemicals building up in their brains and eventually showing the signs of the problem.

      More likely, what's going on there is that they're actually sleeping a bit at other times, such as during meditation.

      But, no, there is no basis for assuming that level of difference between differing groups of humans, especially when you consider how many people in India have descendants that came from Europe.

    2. Re:4 hours is all you need by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      I went to rural India and everyone spends 4 hours of sleep max .... vibrant and beaming with energy, never sick.

      I'm glad to hear it. So can we stop trying to feel sorry and guilty about Indians? - I've been finding it an effort for a while now.

  13. Orly!? by socheres · · Score: 1

    Slashdot wtf is wrong with you!? What's next ? - "Science confirms that thirsty people drink water" ?

  14. In related news by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    More clickbait, half-true headline writing from a disgraceful "journalist." 6 hours of sleep will kill you and doing 30 minutes of cardio at least 3 times per week will do A LOT more for heart health than sleeping ever will. This article is useless, pointless nothing for fat, lazy people.

  15. "Correlation is not Causation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if the people who sleep more do so in order to better recover from an overall weaker state of health? What if this weaker state of health is itself the problem that leads to a 33% increase in heart disease? What if by recommending such people to sleep less, there will be an even greater risk of disease (heart or otherwise)?

    This kind of "alternate cause" thinking can be applied to most statistical studies you see out there, claiming that one should do/eat more or less of something.

    Correlation is not Causation.

  16. Symptoms not causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sleeping patterns are "symptoms" of an underlying problem. They are not the causes. Deliberately modifying one's sleeping patterns will not change any underlying defects.

    I am astonished that so-called researches are still living in the dark ages as far as cause and effect are concerned.

  17. Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or maybe people sleep too much because of a bad heart? Just asking.

  18. Stressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    8 hours of sleep is the minimum amount I need to not feel stressed when I wake up and for the rest of the day. 9 hours is what feels optimal for me, I feel the most relaxed and energized when I wake up and all day long. If I get only 7 hours of sleep for a few weeks in a row, I'll get anxiety attacks. I've been this way since a young child. When I was in daycare, I was the only child allowed to sleep extra. My mom said I regularly needed about 10 hours of sleep a day otherwise I acted lethargic.

    People are different.

  19. huh? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    I thought is was a bottle of wine a day?

    1. Re:huh? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Nope. The real thing that's good for your heart. As the old saying goes "Beans beans, good for your heart, the more you eat, the better your heart is."

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  20. "average" life expectancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of the middle ages? [...]

    I question your logic. Wasn't the average life expectancy during that period about 30 years?

    Edit: No, I was wrong. 31.3 years.

    This plan sounds neither healthy or refreshing!

    That is because (a) penicillin had not been invented yet, and (b) neither had the germ theory of disease:

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease

    The "average" was so low because of so many children dying. If a male made to 5, then there were pretty good odds of making it to 60:

    * https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2625386/

    Women's numbers were quite lower over most of history because of the risks in childbirth, but generally higher than 30.

  21. Probably wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scientific claims backed by multiple independent studies over many years are more likely to be true (e.g. exercise good, smoking bad). One-off claims should be ignored by the media and the public (although other researchers should feel free to investigate further if they like).

    There is a large body of research showing people are somewhat sleep-deprived. Most people should be getting more and not worry about oversleeping.

    Why Most Published Research Findings Are False:
    http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124

  22. Six To Eight Hours of Sleep Best For the Heart by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

    Just to be clear folks, 6-8 hours of sleep is good for the person. You don't want your heart sleeping that long.