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India Pushes Back Against Tech 'Colonization' by Internet Giants (nytimes.com)

In India, American companies dominate the internet. Facebook's WhatsApp is the most popular app on phones. Virtually every smartphone runs on Google's Android system. YouTube is the favorite video platform and Amazon is the No. 2 online retailer. For some Indian political leaders, it is as if their nation --which was ruled by Britain for a century until 1947 -- is being conquered by colonial powers all over again. And they are determined to stop it. From a report: "As a country, we have to all grow up and say that, you know, enough of this," Vinit Goenka, a railways official who works on technology policy for India's governing Bharatiya Janata Party, said at a conference last week. In recent months, regulators and ministers across India's government have declared their intention to impose tough new rules on the technology industry. Collectively, the regulations would end the free rein that American tech giants have long enjoyed in this country of 1.3 billion people, which is the world's fastest-growing market for new internet users. The proposals include European-style limits on what big internet companies can do with users' personal data, a requirement that tech firms store certain sensitive data about Indians only within the country, and restrictions on the ability of foreign-owned e-commerce companies to undercut local businesses on price. Matthew Prince, CEO of Cloudflare, commented on the story, saying, "India is currently the most important country in term of defining the future of Internet policy. It sits at the fulcrum between the United States and China. As it goes, so goes the world."

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  1. IBM in India by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the 1960's, IBM chose to leave the market in India because of how the government tried to force them to do business.

    1. Re: IBM in India by kenh · · Score: 2

      Doesn't surprise me - I can easily imagine the local officials saying 'hey, it's not like they are going to walk away from a 750 million customer country!'

      Yes, they would.

      Those curious about government attempts would do well to research the US government's purchasing requirement to only buy computers/periphersls that use ASCII character representation. The US gov't thought they could change 'Big Blue', but they were wrong...

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    2. Re:IBM in India by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      All it says is they're considering making some rules, it doesn't actually say anything about forcing the Indian people to choose locally-owned apps.

    3. Re:IBM in India by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the 1960's, IBM chose to leave the market in India because of how the government tried to force them to do business.

      . . . and today, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... :

      "Since 2006, IBM has been the multinational with the largest number of employees in India. IBM is very secretive about the geographic distribution of its employees. By most estimates, it has close to a third of its 430,000 employees (~ 100,000) in India, and it likely has more employees there than in the US."

      Indian Business Machines, indeed.

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  2. Silly Indians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "For some Indian political leaders, it is as if their nation -- which was ruled by Britain for a century until 1947 -- is being conquered by colonial powers all over again. And they are determined to stop it."

    How about this: we will keep our tech sites (and our technology) and you can keep your H-1Bs. Sound fair?

    Globalization is a two-way street, bitches.

    1. Re:Silly Indians... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How about this: we will keep our tech sites (and our technology) and you can keep your H-1Bs. Sound fair?

      Are you certain that your "tech sites" could function without the H1-Bs?

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    2. Re:Silly Indians... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      They'd have to pay out more of their profits to American workers, though. And that, pretty much everyone agrees, is a tragedy that must never be allowed to happen. The deplorables must never win.

      American workers are not "deplorables". You don't find a lot of the people you would call "deplorable" in Silicon Valley.

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    3. Re:Silly Indians... by kenh · · Score: 2

      They are equating e-commerce sites with colonization - the comparison is asinine. If Amazon can sell curry to Indians cheaper than native Indian e-commerce sites can sell it, the issue isn't Amazon, it's the Indian culture and business practices that make their costs higher. What these politicians are saying is rather than change their practices and customs, they want Indian citizens to pay a premium and support local businesses... This is something many nations struggle with, it is not a uniquely Indian issue.

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  3. Why different? by aglider · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > it is as if their nation --which was ruled by Britain for a century until 1947 -- is being conquered by colonial powers all over again.

    How can they dream to be different from almost all other countries?
    If you skip the self colonized USA and Cina, everyone else is colonized by the tech giants.

    Can they afford the difference?

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  4. ...So Program Your Own? by Voyager529 · · Score: 2

    I mean, maybe there's a smidge of a thing somwhere in here...but let's be real: it's not like India is incapable of rolling their own alternatives. In aggregate, they've got enough programming talent, and it's not like WhatsApp is some unicorn of an app that has impossible-to-replicate requirements. If India wanted to make a legit alternative to Android, WhatsApp, and Youtube, they are not lacking in the human or technical resources to do it within a very short period of time. It might take a little bit for the network effect to kick in, but if North Korea can roll their own Linux distro, it is well within the realm of India to provide competitive applications.

    1. Re:...So Program Your Own? by Visarga · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > it's not like India is incapable of rolling their own alternatives

      Then there is the teeny weeny problem of convincing the masses to switch to the new Indian alternative apps, that come bundled with government surveillance. Who would do that? It's safer to be spied upon by multinationals than your own govt.

    2. Re:...So Program Your Own? by cmseagle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's OP's point. The fact that India isn't producing homegrown killer apps has little to do with a lack of technical talent or resources. It comes down to difficulty of doing business and political interference (and probably myriad other causes).

  5. translation by Escogido · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Indians use these services, but profits from these services go overseas. And I just happen to have some wealthy local friends who would like a slice of this pie. And, being a politician, I am playing a patriotism card for them, to pave the way for the popular movement to support local product-to-be."

    Nothing wrong or even unusual about it though; it's about as ethical (or unethical, depending on one's PoV) as the "eat locally grown food" slogan. In theory, if they are capable of creating an alternative to (at least some subset of) Google services, some new competition is always good for the market and so good for everyone. But what usually happens is they start applying external pressure by putting services in unequal conditions by subsidizing locals or even doing darker things like throttling traffic at state level or limiting their capability to earn revenue through regulatory measures. Eh, I'm not a globalization fan either, so whatever.

    1. Re:translation by Escogido · · Score: 2

      Oh I certainly am a fan of the concept of a state acting in the interests of their citizens. But does this really happen in today's world, in large countries?

      I guess I am jaded, and would love to be wrong on this one, but not really holding my breath much.

  6. Re:India, land of corpses and feces and open sewer by BLToday · · Score: 2

    So San Francisco without the expensive real estate and drugs.

  7. Well, try to roll your own by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    If you don't want to buy from abroad, it's time to make your own.

    But when I look at the quality we usually get from our outsourced "partners"... I have a hunch I know why you don't.

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  8. Re: Why principles matter... by locketine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because it's a better product. The whole reason Google is considering adapting to Chinese censorship is because they know that they have the best product but can't "sell it" without Chinese government approval. The real problem is that Google would be relieving social pressure on the Chinese government to change its information policies.

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  9. Re:Nationalism fad spreading by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Begun, the trade wars has. -Yoda

    It has been going a lot longer than this with India. India has had a very protectionist economy for decades; it's probably one of the main reasons why China became an economic powerhouse- and India is growing much slower, despite being on better terms with most of the developed nations of the world than China.

    India doesn't like foreign companies operating on their seas- they used to keep out grocery stores, department stores from over seas- now they are pushing against IT. I understand why they're doing it, and the history there... but it's shooting themselves in the foot. Once they stop being a protectionist state, they could start to rise in power and eventually challenge the US and China.

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  10. Re: Nationalism fad spreading by dj245 · · Score: 2

    8 out of 10 dentists agree that they are glad they weren't the other two dentists.

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  11. Re:India, land of corpses and feces and open sewer by kenh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    India, a nation of street shitters [planetcustodian.com].

    Kinda like San Francisco is becoming?

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