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Mystery of the Cargo Ships That Sink When Their Cargo Suddenly Liquefies (theconversation.com)

An anonymous reader writes (condensed for space): On average, ten "solid bulk cargo" carriers have been lost at sea each year for the last decade. Solid bulk cargoes -- defined as granular materials loaded directly into a ship's hold -- can suddenly turn from a solid state into a liquid state, a process known as liquefaction. And this can be disastrous for any ship carrying them -- and their crew. A lot is known about the physics of the liquefaction of granular materials from geotechnical and earthquake engineering. The vigorous shaking of the earth causes pressure in the ground water to increase to such a level that the soil "liquefies." Yet despite our understanding of this phenomenon, and the guidelines in place to prevent it occurring, it is still causing ships to sink and taking their crew with them.

Solid bulk cargoes are typically "two-phase" materials as they contain water between the solid particles. When the particles can touch, the friction between them makes the material act like a solid (even though there is liquid present). But when the water pressure rises, these inter-particle forces reduce and the strength of the material decreases. When the friction is reduced to zero, the material acts like a liquid (even though the solid particles are still present). A solid bulk cargo that is apparently stable on the quayside can liquefy because pressures in the water between the particles build up as it is loaded onto the ship. This is especially likely if, as is common practice, the cargo is loaded with a conveyor belt from the quayside into the hold, which can involve a fall of significant height. The vibration and motion of the ship from the engine and the sea during the voyage can also increase the water pressure and lead to liquefaction of the cargo.
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  1. This makes it sink? by sanosuke001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why does the ship sink, though? Is the material stable in its granular form but without the water binding it is it corrosive or something? TFS wasn't very helpful in explaining why this effect is dangerous or what is being done about it at all. It, however, explained the effect itself fairly well.

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    1. Re: This makes it sink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the linked article:
      When a solid bulk cargo liquefies, it can shift or slosh inside a shipâ(TM)s hold, making the vessel less stable. A liquefied cargo can shift completely to one side of the hold. If it regains its strength and reverts to a solid state, the cargo will remain in the shifted position, causing the ship to permanently tilt or list in the water. The cargo can then liquefy again and shift further, increasing the angle of list.

    2. Re:This makes it sink? by randm.ca · · Score: 2

      Paragraphs 3 and 4 under the "Solid bulk cargoes" subheading explain why.

    3. Re:This makes it sink? by gshegosh · · Score: 4, Informative

      "When a solid bulk cargo liquefies, it can shift or slosh inside a ship’s hold, making the vessel less stable. A liquefied cargo can shift completely to one side of the hold. If it regains its strength and reverts to a solid state, the cargo will remain in the shifted position, causing the ship to permanently tilt or “list” in the water. The cargo can then liquefy again and shift further, increasing the angle of list. At some point, the angle of list becomes so great that water enters the hull through the hatch covers, or the vessel is no longer stable enough to recover from the rolling motion caused by the waves. Water can also move from within the cargo to its surface as a result of liquefaction and subsequent sloshing of this free water can further impact the vessel’s stability. Unless the sloshing can be stopped, the ship is in danger of sinking."

    4. Re:This makes it sink? by toonces33 · · Score: 2

      There are examples of liquefaction that take place during earthquakes, where what had been solid ground seems to just dissolve.

      I believe the theory is that vibrations of the correct frequency and amplitude can cause the cargo in a cargo ship to liquefy in a similar fashion, but the specifics are going to depend a lot on what the cargo is and what the water content is. The article was pretty light on specifics, however.

    5. Re: This makes it sink? by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the obvious solution to this is to have partitions inside the ship, to limit the amount of shift possible.

      Also, picking "the right ship for the job" such that your cargo comes as close as possible to completely filling the hold to the top, to limit the amount of possible shifting.

      I'm just surprised that the pressures added by "drop-filling" the cargo at port have any effect on the possibility of liquifying long after the ship has sailed. I would have expected that only the vibrations during the voyage would have affected it.

      I wonder how much of a role uneven loading at port plays? Like if the hold is filled from only a relatively small number of hold covers, leading to cargo that's in roughy pyramid-shaped piles in the hold. If they have just barely enough cohesion to maintain that pyramid shape, I could definitely see how that could shift suddenly and significantly on a rolling sea. Once the shift starts, it's like the article describes, with the entire mass moving as a liquid, a lot like an avalanche, until the pressure drops below critical. And then the cargo "freezes" in place in its new position, quite likely creating a dangerous imbalance in the load.

      I've always found watching avalanche videos to be fascinating, how snow, seemingly solid, can flow like a river, and then suddenly stop as if hit by a freeze ray, cementing everything in place. Trees, cars, people, buildings, everything is moved like it's being carried away by a tsunami, and then suddenly it all just stops. Landslides are the same eerie way. It's like god is playing "red-light-green-light" with giant hunks of material.

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    6. Re:This makes it sink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why does the ship sink, though? Is the material stable in its granular form but without the water binding it is it corrosive or something? TFS wasn't very helpful in explaining why this effect is dangerous or what is being done about it at all. It, however, explained the effect itself fairly well.

      Likely it's the "free surface effect". Basically, if tanks or holds aren't full, when the ship rolls to one side, the cargo flows to that side too, moving the ship's center of gravity towards the low side. Get enough of a flow and the vessel can capsize, or the momentum of the flow can damage the ship:

      The free surface effect is a mechanism which can cause a watercraft to become unstable and capsize.

      It refers to the tendency of liquids — and of unbound aggregates of small solid objects, like seeds, gravel, or crushed ore, whose behavior approximates that of liquids — to move in response to changes in the attitude of a craft's cargo holds, decks, or liquid tanks in reaction to operator-induced motions (or sea states caused by waves and wind acting upon the craft). When referring to the free surface effect, the condition of a tank that is not full is described as a "slack tank", while a full tank is "pressed up".

      Stability and equilibrium

      In a normally loaded vessel any rolling from perpendicular is countered by a righting moment generated from the increased volume of water displaced by the hull on the lowered side. This assumes the center of gravity of the vessel is relatively constant. If a moving mass inside the vessel moves in the direction of the roll, this counters the righting effect by moving the center of gravity towards the lowered side. The free surface effect can become a problem in a craft with large partially full bulk cargo compartments, fuel tanks, or water tanks (especially if they span the full breadth of the ship), or from accidental flooding, such as has occurred in several accidents involving roll-on/roll-off ferries.

      If a compartment or tank is either empty or full, there is no change in the craft's center of mass as it rolls from side to side (in strong winds, heavy seas, or on sharp motions or turns). However, if the compartment is only partially full, the liquid in the compartment will respond to the vessel's heave, pitch, roll, surge, sway or yaw. For example, as a vessel rolls to port, liquid will displace to the port side of a compartment, and this will move the vessel's center of mass to port. This has the effect of slowing the vessel's return to vertical.

      The momentum of large volumes of moving liquids cause significant dynamic forces, which act against the righting effect. When the vessel returns to vertical the roll continues and the effect is repeated on the opposite side. In heavy sea states, this can become a positive feedback loop, causing each roll to become more and more extreme, eventually overcoming the righting effect leading to a capsize. While repeated oscillations of increasing magnitude are commonly associated with the free surface effect, they are not a necessary condition. For example, in the cases of both the SS Normandie and MS al-Salam Boccaccio 98, gradual buildup of water from fire-fighting caused capsizing in a single continuous roll.

      Google "free surface effect" images

    7. Re:This makes it sink? by dwywit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess fitting baffles or compartments to bulk carriers costs more than the insurance when a ship goes down.

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    8. Re:This makes it sink? by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 2

      Because, "When the friction goes to zero" refers to the friction between the pieces of granular cargo. So if the particles of granular cargo are suddenly not touching each other, due to water in between them, the friction between those particles of granular cargo is, of course, zero.
      Because really, when considering how water moves in a container such as a ship, calculating the friction *within* the actual water itself *technically* would make the simulation more accurate, but on such a unbelievably small scale that it literally makes zero difference to the outcome of the simulation.
      Essentially, its like saying the angle of repose for water is close enough to zero, that calling it zero is sufficient for the tolerances and scope of this piece of engineering. Sure, there is such a thing as surface tension, and a droplet of water can essentially have an angle of repose of 90 degrees (i know angle of repose is applied wrongly here, but i't makes my point). it matters in a test tube, but not in a swimming pool.

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    9. Re: This makes it sink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This. Baffles for liquid transport (even fuel tanks in vehicles designed for non-cargo purposes) along with sectioning tanks is not even remotely new. So

      a) treat bulk solid powders like bulk liquid
      b) dehumidify the hold
      c) have a spray down for offload if getting every last grain is desired (adding baffles and bulkheads increases surface area, which will increase losses due to product sticking to surfaces)

    10. Re: This makes it sink? by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the obvious solution to this is to have partitions inside the ship, to limit the amount of shift possible.

      Also, picking "the right ship for the job" such that your cargo comes as close as possible to completely filling the hold to the top, to limit the amount of possible shifting.

      Baffles will increase mass, weight and make loading and unloading of cargo much slower.

      As for the second point, what will all the specialised ships do whilst not being employed for a single task? Freighters cost millions to make, every day they sit empty or idle is a day they're costing money.

      The best and simplest solution is to find out why cargoes are liquefying, its not something that happens that often. 10 ships a year. There are an estimated 11,000 bulk carriers in service.

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    11. Re:This makes it sink? by Entrope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're right, that merely elevates the article from "crackpot claptrap" to "shoddily written clickbait". The mystery is less what happens than why it happens only to some ships, and why ship owners don't take the safety measures that are described in other comments here.

    12. Re: This makes it sink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      the obvious solution to this is to have partitions inside the ship, to limit the amount of shift possible.

      ...

      Except that might make loading and unloading cargoes such as bulk ores difficult or impossible, depending on the vessel and the port facilities.

      The large machine in TFS sure looks a lot like a Hulett unloader, and those only work with wide-open, flat-bottomed holds.

    13. Re: This makes it sink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not arriving at port also makes unloading much slower...

    14. Re: This makes it sink? by crunchygranola · · Score: 2

      10 ships a year. There are an estimated 11,000 bulk carriers in service.

      And assuming 10 voyages a year this is one loss per 10,000 loads delivered. Using the Wikipedia bulk carrier article (which is quite good) and taking a large carrier of 80,000 tons that costs $40 million new, it would deliver 800 million tons per ship lost, or about 5 cents per ton as the "lost ship toll". Actual shipping fees listed are on the order of $15-70 per ton, so this is hardly even round-off error to the huge corporations that own these ships.

      The crew of 20 to 30 people, almost entirely recruited from the third-world, are of course inexpensive write-offs to the corporations (their loss is much cheaper than the ship itself), so only international regulation protects them from being treated as expendables.

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    15. Re: This makes it sink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Baffles will increase mass, weight and make loading and unloading of cargo much slower.

      This is why we have regulations. It levels the playing field so EVERYONE has this expense. And it also solves the "Someone elses problem" of ships sinking. The ship is insured, so the shipping company doesn't have any vested interest in safety. The people who run the company are safe on dry land, so they're just apt to say "shit happens". There's likely smaller companies where the captain/crew might also be the owners, but normally there's just no way for them to compete with MegaCorp, AND put in the baffles because of the downsides you mention.

    16. Re:This makes it sink? by ljw1004 · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you're right, that merely elevates the article from "crackpot claptrap" to "shoddily written clickbait". The mystery is less what happens than why it happens only to some ships, and why ship owners don't take the safety measures that are described in other comments here.

      The article and accompanying discussion addresses these questions and was technically interesting and high quality. "A lot is known about the physics of the liquefaction [...] Yet despite our understanding of this phenomenon (and the guidelines in place to prevent it occurring), it is still causing ships to sink and take their crew with them."

      The technical answer is that the existing guidance on stowing and shipping solid bulk cargoes is too simplistic. Liquefaction potential depends not just on how much moisture is in a bulk cargo but also other material characteristics, such as the particle size distribution, the ratio of the volume of solid particles to water and the relative density of the cargo, as well as the method of loading and the motions of the vessel during the voyage.

      The economics make it clear that it's not worth spending huge amounts of money (that also make ships more awkward to load) for an event that's comparatively rare. It's doubly not worth spending money on refits when we don't even have a good physics model of it, one that's backed by data+observations. And if we kitted out some experimental ships but they proved to be in the 99.9% of ships that aren't affected by the phenomenon, then we won't have gathered any data.

      The main idea in this thread was lengthwise bulkheads. I've never seen a ship designed that way. Not sure why. Maybe because it's a bulkhead that would need to be seriously strong (to stop the millions of tonnes) and would contribute nothing to the structure of the ship; only weight. Another idea was pumps to remove the water. Those would have to be exceptionally robust to handle being hammered by lumps of bauxite, and not get clogged by the finer bauxite. Maybe you could put a pump behind a mesh, if you could invent a mesh that would stand up to the millions of tons. The article suggests that another cause might actually just be the *speed* of loading. If that's true, how would we measure+test that? Could we invent a different loading technique that's mostly as fast? It'd be massively cheaper than lengthwise bulkheads.

      There's a good video too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      In the video, the Australian Maritime Safety Organizations suggests a different preventative measure which is - captains should be aware that this is a phenomenon, aware of what are the warning signs, should pay attention to those first signs, and should consider seeking a Port of Refuge.

      In short - excellent article, interesting phenomenon that even though we know about liquefaction and know about ocean shipping most of us still wouldn't have thought of, is deeper than "just add bulkheads".

    17. Re:This makes it sink? by lgw · · Score: 2

      There's an urban legend that glass is a liquid that just flows slowly, purporting to explain why old glass panes are wavy, and thicker at the bottom than the top. But that's all BS - old glass was wavy when installed, and of course you put the thicker side down so it doesn't fall over while you put the frame around it. Smooth glass of even thickness, "float glass", is a surprisingly recent invention, only commercially viable in the late 1950s.

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  2. Preventable by BrendaEM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess the economics of letting the occasional ship sink with lives lost, is cheaper than securing the load.

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    1. Re:Preventable by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Which also points to the most likely cause, poor maintenance of the drive line and hull harmonics. That would be the whole drive line, engine, engine mounts, transmission, transmission mounts, drive shaft, bearings, and the propeller. Environmental conditions would be to slow to promote liquefaction, not of the entire cargo but more likely only the bottom half, with the top half floating on top and shifting. Drive shaft load and balancing versus changes in hull shape under load, would be a likely source of extreme vibrations, dependent upon how much the hull is bending.

      Focus on the bottom half of the load, easy fix, longitudinal upside V running the length of storage, reaching at least half way up storage loads. Better engine mounts, eliminate drive shaft and go with electric drives.

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  3. Could injecting gas from the bottom help? by gotan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As far as i understand they have a mixture of solid particles surrounded by liquid, the particles are more compressible, so under pressure the whole structure loses coherence as effectively the solid fraction is reduced, since the liquid is less compressible.

    I wonder if this could be helped by injecting some gas from the bottom after loading, so there are pockets where the granular solid is surrounded by compressible gas instead of liquid. If the density of the liquid is less than that of the solid surplus liquid would be driven to the top where it could be extracted.

    It might help if the gas pockets are well enough dispersed.

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    1. Re:Could injecting gas from the bottom help? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      As far as i understand they have a mixture of solid particles surrounded by liquid, the particles are more compressible, so under pressure the whole structure loses coherence as effectively the solid fraction is reduced, since the liquid is less compressible.
      I wonder if this could be helped by injecting some gas from the bottom after loading,

      The short answer is no. If you inject gas into a mixture of solid particles, you reduce the friction between them as the gas passes through them. You'd actually be making the problem worse. Some people have experimented with sand tubs using precisely this effect. You inject a bunch of air into the bottom and it makes the sand act a lot like a liquid. You can sink into it, and move your limbs through it.

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  4. Liquefaction by MagicM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For a fun example of liquefaction, check out Mark Rober's video on YouTube.

  5. Re:Cargo? by tazan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mineral Ores. Basically they have a hold full of dirt. If it's loaded during rainy season it's a hold full of mud and can act just like a landslide does in an earthquake.

  6. Clickbait headline by Potor · · Score: 2

    There is absolutely no "mystery" here.

    1. Re:Clickbait headline by Diddlbiker · · Score: 2

      You are absolutely correct! Visit a maritime website like gcaptain.com and you'll see that the process is well understood. Wet bulk cargo, people who make the decision to load it anyway and don't have to deal with the consequences... There's no mystery. Just greed and the wrong people paying for it with their lives.

  7. Compartmentalization by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Out of curiosity, do these bulk cargo vessels store their loads in one big hold, or are the holds compartmentalized? If the ships have multiple holds (say 3), each side by side and running lengthwise, then even if the loads in each hold liquefy and shift to port, the loads in the center and starboard holds may still have enough weight to counteract the shift.

    A quick google search turns up this image, showing a stern to bow layout. So if the load in one hold shifts it is likely that all the others will shift too. So running the holds bow to stern and stacking them port to starboard would solve that issue. Given the size of these vessels I would assume that loads shifting forward or aft would be less of an issue or concern, but you could always make 6 holds by running 3 along the length of the ship and separating them midship.

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    1. Re:Compartmentalization by crunchygranola · · Score: 2

      There is a good Wikipedia article on bulk cargo ships. It contains such useful information as this (edited excerpts from two paragraphs):

      Bulk carriers are designed to be easy to build and to store cargo efficiently... Double hulls have become popular in the past ten years... One of the advantages of the double hull is to make room to place all the structural elements in the sides, removing them from the holds. This increases the volume of the holds, and simplifies their structure which helps in loading, unloading, and cleaning.

      So these vessels are all about doing stuff as cheaply as possible to minimize the cost of operation, and a key strategy is to keep all obstructions out of the hold. With compartments they would then have to be loading and unloading and cleaning each compartment separately, taking more time and effort. Putting in compartments defeats the design goal of the bulk carrier. Also it might make it harder to load it evenly in the first place.

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  8. Re:Cargo? by gtall · · Score: 2

    Grain too contains water. Drying is necessary to prevent spoilage but it cannot drive out all water and then there is humidity to consider.

  9. Summary by bluegutang · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is a remarkably good summary for Slashdot.

  10. no water in earthquake liquefaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A lot is known about the physics of the liquefaction of granular materials from geotechnical and earthquake engineering. The vigorous shaking of the earth causes pressure in the ground water to increase to such a level that the soil "liquefies."

    Nope!

    Ground water in the soil has nothing to do with earthquake liquefaction. Liquefaction can occur without any water present at all.

    See, e.g., https://www.britannica.com/science/soil-liquefaction

    TL:dnr: [vibration] causes otherwise solid soil to behave temporarily as a viscous liquid.

    As for cargo ships filled with bulk wheat, rice, etc.; it's kinda stating the obvious that, while they are solids, in the sense that they are not liquids, they also aren't solid like a blocks of wood, rolls of steel, or pigs of aluminum. They behave much more like liquids.

    Another recipe for disaster is fill a cargo hold full to the top with rice, seal the hatches, and then add some water (e.g. from a leak), and watch the ship literally burst apart in slow motion.

    1. Re:no water in earthquake liquefaction by DRJlaw · · Score: 2

      Ground water in the soil has nothing to do with earthquake liquefaction. Liquefaction can occur without any water present at all.

      https://www.britannica.com/sci...>Your own link says otherwise. "The phenomenon occurs in water-saturated unconsolidated soils affected by seismic S waves (secondary waves), which cause ground vibrations during earthquakes."

      And then reading further:
      "When earthquake shock occurs in waterlogged soils, the water-filled pore spaces collapse, which decreases the overall volume of the soil. This process increases the water pressure between individual soil grains, and the grains can then move freely in the watery matrix. This substantially lowers the soilâ(TM)s resistance to shear stress and causes the mass of soil to take on the characteristics of a liquid. In its liquefied state, soil deforms easily, and heavy objects such as structures can be damaged from the sudden loss of support from below."

      So water has everything to do with it. As the GP helpfully noted.

  11. Re:Cargo? by AndroSyn · · Score: 5, Informative

    In this case, bauxite.

    The PDF linked from the article has a FAR better explaination:

    http://www.imo.org/en/MediaCen...

  12. Yes it will cost more by sjbe · · Score: 3

    Baffles will increase mass, weight and make loading and unloading of cargo much slower.

    And that is somehow worse than the loss of the ship and possibly the crew?

    As for the second point, what will all the specialised ships do whilst not being employed for a single task?

    Sit idle. Yes this will make the cargo cost more to carry. That's just how the cookie crumbles sometimes. Ships for liquefied natural gas don't get converted to haul coal when not carrying cargo. If safety demands a specialized ship then so be it.

    The best and simplest solution is to find out why cargoes are liquefying, its not something that happens that often.

    And then what? They evidently already know why they are liquefying. The question is what to actually do about it which will almost certainly involved some amount of change to ship design and cargo procedures.

    1. Re: Yes it will cost more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The ship is insured and the crew expendable.

    2. Re:Yes it will cost more by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And that is somehow worse than the loss of the ship and possibly the crew?

      In-humanness of the response aside, the risk is quite low, ships are replaceable, and crews are typically from poor countries where life is cheap. These aren't your western well paid sailors who are mourned and whose companies get sued into oblivion for providing unsafe work locations.

      Unfortunately the answer to your question is yes.

      Sit idle. Yes this will make the cargo cost more to carry.

      Only if the costs are spread across the industry. If the costs are only carried by the one company prioritizing safety over cost then cargo won't cost more to carry, it will simply put one competitor with a conscience out of business.

      If safety demands a specialized ship then so be it.

      Are you talking about the customer who doesn't want to pay or the hauler who doesn't want to bear an additional cost when their competitors don't?

      The question is what to actually do about it which will almost certainly involved some amount of change to ship design and cargo procedures.

      Indeed. But the answer is not to jump to expensive and impractical solutions that won't see implementation without a concerted effort across the entire industry. Shit man for hazardous cargo the industry in the past 30 years hasn't even agreed to a standardised way to emergency shutdown their unloading pump. Good luck getting them to implement something that actually cost them money.

    3. Re:Yes it will cost more by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      Baffles will increase mass, weight and make loading and unloading of cargo much slower.

      And that is somehow worse than the loss of the ship and possibly the crew?

      hmmmm....

      So, if we reduce the cargo capacity (and at the same time, increase time required to unload the ship) by, say, 5%, we have a ship that makes ~90% as much as "normal". And costs, say, 5% more.

      So we have to charge ~15% more per ton moved to pay for the ship. Which makes us the last choice of anyone trying to move cargo, since they're having to pay that extra 15% for the privilege of using our ship.

      Given the number of bulk haulers in service and the number lost every year, there's a 1% chance of losing the ship and cargo every year, which'll translate into a (maximum) 1% increase in insurance cost for shipping something.

      So, you need to find a business that's willing to pay a 15% premium in order to avoid a 1% premium on insurance to make the "improved" ship pay for itself.

      Good luck with that....

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    4. Re: Yes it will cost more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The ship is insured

      If the shipping company redesigns their ships, they can reduce the likelihood of a ship being lost.
      If they reduce the likelihood of a ship being lost, they reduce how much insurance pays out to them.
      If they reduce how much insurance pays out to them, they can successfully argue for lower rates.

      So I can only conclude that either, 1) it would cost more to redesign the ships than would be saved, or 2) the insurance companies don't know that the shipping companies are choosing to not do more to mitigate ships being lost at sea and so are not charging appropriately for that.

    5. Re:Yes it will cost more by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In-humanness of the response aside, the risk is quite low, ships are replaceable, and crews are typically from poor countries where life is cheap. These aren't your western well paid sailors who are mourned and whose companies get sued into oblivion for providing unsafe work locations.

      This is a common trope, but it's simply not true. The number of cargo ships lost at sea about equals the number of lives lost aboard those ships. That is, on average about 1 person dies for each ship that sinks.

      The vast majority of people aboard a cargo ship which sinks are rescued. Life rafts are required by all shipping regulators. And satellite locator beacons have become so cheap that I suggest you get one if you do things like boating or hiking.. Their cost (a few hundred dollars, though a commercial model will run a few thousand) is much less than the liability and bad publicity of someone dying because your ship sank. When someone dies, it's usually because they were unable to reach the life raft in time (injured or blocked in due to the accident which sank the ship).

      In fact, the fatality rate works out to (100 deaths) * (100,000) / (1.25 million) = 8 per 100,000. That makes it safer than a variety of jobs as mundane as taxi driver or landscaper. The fatality rate is right around the average for all jobs if you account for those people being aboard the ship 24/7, while people are at the other occupationss on average for less than 6 hours a day.

  13. Re:Cargo? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One of the major bulk cargos cited was bauxite, aluminum ore. Though most ores are smelted near the mine, the economics of aluminum are weird because this element requires vast amounts of electricity to refine. It actually pays to mine bauxite in Australia but smelt it in places like New Zealand, where there is cheap hydro, or Iceland, where there is cheap geothermal electricity.