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Wikimedia Warns EU Copyright Reform Threatens the 'Vibrant Free Web' (techcrunch.com)

The Wikimedia Foundation has sounded a stark warning against a copyright reform proposal in Europe that's due to be voted on by the European Parliament next week. From a report: In the post, also emailed to TechCrunch, Maria Sefidari Huici, chair of the Wikimedia Foundation, writes: "Next week, the European Parliament will decide how information online is shared in a vote that will significantly affect how we interact in our increasingly connected, digital world. We are in the last few moments of what could be our last opportunity to define what the Internet looks like in the future. The next wave of proposed rules under consideration by the European Parliament will either permit more innovation and growth, or stifle the vibrant free web that has allowed creativity, innovation, and collaboration to thrive. This is significant because copyright does not only affect books and music, it profoundly shapes how people communicate and create on the internet for years to come."

Backers of the reform proposals argue they will help European creatives be fairly recompensed for their work. But critics argue the proposals are not balanced and will chill the creative freedoms of web users to share and comment on content online.

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  1. Bad stuff by lepetit · · Score: 1

    this is bad..

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    1. Re:Bad stuff by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The creative internet well see EU censorship then create routes around EU gov controls.

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    2. Re:Bad stuff by BlueStrat · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The creative internet well see EU censorship then create routes around EU gov controls.

      The "creative internet" is not hardware and networks, it's the people building and using those resources. The "creative internet" can be prosecuted, imprisoned, or simply taken out back and shot in the head by TPTB. When the government is more powerful than those it governs and has no fear of them, bad things always happen eventually.

      "Left" and "Right" is not what we should be talking about, but "Up" and "Down", where "Up" is more authoritarian, bigger government, and "Down" is smaller, less intrusive and micro-managing government.

      With a smaller, less powerful government, "Left" and "Right" do not matter as much to the population and does not impact their liberty nearly as dramatically. It also means political Parties have far less power and there would be far less government corruption, as why pay someone who doesn't have the power to help you or harm you?

      Get Down and get free!

      Strat

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  2. That's a doozy by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It looks like the law requires every blog owner to implement an omniscient version of Youtube's much hated ContentID system to insure that nothing uploaded bears any similarity to any past work. It would basically be impossible to run a site like Slashdot under that requirement. The false positive rate would undoubtedly be incredible. Big media cartels were tired of having to do their job and want everybody else to do it for them.

    If this goes through about the only solution for every comment section will be to just geoblock the EU until some gigantic content clearinghouse is created. Even then such a service would be too expensive for most message boards so only players like Facebook and Google will be able to run blogs.

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    1. Re:That's a doozy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't have problem with it. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. have not made the world a better place. They want to profit from the content uploaded to their platform but don't want to take responsibility for it.

      Bullshit.

      Fuck 'em all. If its on your servers, you're responsible.

    2. Re:That's a doozy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IP Owners don't like the phrase "vibrant free web." They hate it. They want precisely the opposite, as they believe this is how they will maximize their profits.

    3. Re:That's a doozy by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, current proposed IP laws in a range of countries favour large, dominant corporations at the expense of newcomers and hobbyists. The corporations will be fine without these laws but we'll all be much worse off with them. This is all the work of the UN's WIPO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., which has been steadily encroaching on public domain and fair-use works since the 1970s. They want corporations to own everything that's ours, i.e. our culture and knowledge, and get rich from renting it all back to us.

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    4. Re:That's a doozy by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 2

      I don't have problem with it. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. have not made the world a better place. They want to profit from the content uploaded to their platform but don't want to take responsibility for it.

      Bullshit.

      Fuck 'em all. If its on your servers, you're responsible.

      On this point, I agree. Facebook et al. are making money out of copyright infringement and should pay the copyright holders. However, what the proposed laws would do to you and me and startups and hobbyists would be suffocating. That is, if you enjoy engaging in and sharing derivative ideas and works under fair use and like that there are public domain works that everyone can use however they like.

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    5. Re:That's a doozy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IP Owners don't like the phrase "vibrant free web." They hate it.

      Parent AC makes an important point: media cartels do not WANT a free web. They want "television 2.0". The whole thing was an oversight that happened because the internet started in the military, and then academia, and stayed there for decades before it became a public phenomena. By that point the genie had partially left the bottle.

      They want nothing more than to put that genie back IN the bottle. And the clueless public can be led by the nose to go right along, since they don't think about their choices very much. Make it shiny, and they'll beg for it, no matter what it is.

      Unfortunately, due to other verbose AC spam in this topic, your point may languish down at score=0, so I hope someone punts you up to at least 2.

    6. Re:That's a doozy by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Dont have a site in the EU. Dont invest in the EU. Let people enjoy really great internet content "outside" the EU.

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    7. Re:That's a doozy by PPH · · Score: 1

      It would basically be impossible to run a site like Slashdot under that requirement.

      I was thinking more along the lines of Stackoverflow. There goes our software industry.

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    8. Re:That's a doozy by zabbey · · Score: 2

      So I break the law by uploading infringing content and facebook has to pay? Why don't they just target the copyright infringers? Oh, it's because they don't have any money. The point of these types of laws isn't to enforce or punish lawbreakers, it's to extort money. If I stab someone at starbucks, should the manager go to jail? I am, after all, committing a crime on their property.

    9. Re:That's a doozy by jandrese · · Score: 1

      It would apply to any site that allows users to post content. Most of the web at this point. Only the likes of Facebook or Google could hope to survive with user content. Otherwise allowing user content is suicide.

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  3. and the 1st amendment will make usa sites safe by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    and the 1st amendment will make usa sites safe. But they may need to go USA only and block EU

    1. Re:and the 1st amendment will make usa sites safe by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The first amendment does not allow you to infringe copy rights ...

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    2. Re:and the 1st amendment will make usa sites safe by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's the safe harbor provisions of the DMCA which enable what he was talking about, mostly.

      OTOH, the First Amendment is the likely inspiration of "fair use" (which is enshrined in the Copyright Act itself, so I don't think we can be sure).

  4. and fox can just copy an old video and then ban it by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2
  5. may end game reviews and Let's play's other then by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    may end game reviews and Let's play's other then ones picked by the game dev's.

    Just think I have this POS game that was rushed out and now I can use the law to take down the bad reviews.

  6. So, effectively EU-exit by DCFusor · · Score: 2

    From normal commerce. We'll see how that plays out. Sure, demanding more money always results in more money, no one ever turns away and finds another fungible source for the same stuff, right? - unless you're exceptional and unique. Don't they lambaste Americans who think that kinda stuff?
    Maybe the Brits are leaving a sinking ship just in time...

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    1. Re:So, effectively EU-exit by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      No nation on Earth can afford to ignore a federation of 500 million wealthy consumers. You want to do business in the EU, you play by the EU's rules.

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    2. Re:So, effectively EU-exit by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      From normal commerce.

      Hardly. The EU market is large enough that people will bend over backwards to accommodate even stupid decisions. But just like all the stupid laws passed in America people will of course complain about it as they rightfully should.

      Don't they lambaste Americans who think that kinda stuff?

      America doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity. In fact one would say Americans are part of this big ball we call the world. Europe and others call out America for their stupid decision all the time, and I would argue that I fully expect reply in kind. Lambaste away, the Europeans not only deserve it but actually need to hear it too.

      Maybe the Brits are leaving a sinking ship just in time...

      That kind of short sighted thinking got them into their current position. Which could be more accurately described as a British ship rapidly taking on water while part of the EU flotilla after aiming their canons carefully down into their own hull and pulling the string.

      As it stands the UK has already suffered worse economic loss compared to the rest of the EU than even the worst case predictions for actually leaving as modeled by both sides prior to the referendum. And they haven't even left yet.

    3. Re:So, effectively EU-exit by DCFusor · · Score: 1
      Um. Greece, Italy, Spain....wealthy? The people who owe them money that will never be paid back but pretend otherwise? The failed socialist societies now having to re-figure since their wealth was based on resources that are dropping in price or running out? Ummm...Ok, let's watch and see what actually happens. The whole developed world is a debt bomb, and how that gets resolved when the world decides to address that - separately or together - will matter more I think. I see homeless, migrants who won't assimilate, wealthy MIC, high Gini coefficients wherever I look, and a tendency to turn inward as though it was all the fault of "those other guys" - and have heard lots of noise about the EU being quite the failed experiment. The exit meme isn't just about the UK.

      The obvious reason for that is the decoupling between the money sources and sinks, the running of big deficits is not enforced. So those who think they are wealthy now have a day of reckoning coming where they find out their wealth is a bad loan -aaaannnnd it's gone. Sound familiar?
      If the EU wasn't free-riding on the UK why are they acting so petty about them leaving?
      When you got money, you got lots of friends..when things get tough you find out who the real ones are. Maybe it's hard to see in a mirror.
      I'm not calling anyone or entity blameless in this.
      Just look how this scheme has worked out for the **IAA, or for the guys who wanted google to pay for linking their stuff and sending them customers, and so on. This scheme won't fly, just like they didn't, and for the same reason.

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  7. Tabled is different in US/UK/EU speak by gavron · · Score: 1

    She says the proposal is to be tabled.
    US Speak - to table something is to take it off the table and not discuss it until later.
    UK Speak - to table something is to put it on the table to discuss it now (yes, 180 opposite of US).
    EU Speak - nobody knows

    The US, for now, still has 47 U.S.C. 230, even as FOSTA/SESTA/Republicans gut it daily. Perhaps The EU will reconsider joining free discourse.

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  8. europe by BlackOverflow · · Score: 1

    Tech companies should just block europe and let them have their own little walled version of the Internet. Who wants to deal with all this stuff they keep coming up with?

  9. The basic issue not spoken ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... is that publicly-consumed IP has lost its value.

    An essential component of demand is the friction encountered when making an acquisition.

    In the days of radio, TV, theaters, albums, and live tours, the consumers were far removed from the content.

    Nowadays, the Internet provides a well-lubricated "all you can eat," instant buffet of gratification.

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    I remember Coke being a special, occasional treat.

    The go-to beverages for parents were cheaper drinks like tea and Kool Aid.

    Same with candy.

    Halloween was a bonanza because that was the one time of year when it was available by the gobs.

    Nowadays, ice boxes are chock full of Cokes and every house has candy galore.

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    1. Re:The basic issue not spoken ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      I think it's disingenuous for us to have two logins, so quit it.

      No, you quit it.

      No, you.

      I'm telling Momma.

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    2. Re:The basic issue not spoken ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      ... you were to smart ...

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  10. Re:Really? Slashdot? by jandrese · · Score: 1

    Look at the provision. Slashdot would be liable for everything its users post. Someone puts up a link to a mp3 file they would be on the hook for hundreds of thousands of euros in damages. Someone posts lyrics to a modern song and Slashdot will be party to the lawsuit. They have to become content police and personally examine every post before letting it be shown on the site. That's several full time jobs worth of effort.

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