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Get Ready For Atomic Radio (technologyreview.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from MIT Technology Review: David Anderson at Rydberg Technologies in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and a couple of colleagues, have reinvented the antenna from scratch. Their new device works in an entirely different way from conventional antennas, using a laser to measure the way radio signals interact with certain types of atoms. The secret sauce in the new device is Rydberg atoms. These are cesium atoms in which the outer electrons are so excited that they orbit the nucleus at great distance. At these distances, the electrons' potential energy levels are extremely closely spaced, and this gives them special properties. Indeed, any small electric field can nudge them from one level to another. Radio waves consist of alternating electric fields that readily interact with any Rydberg atoms they come across. This makes them potential sensors.

But how to detect this interaction? A gas made of Rydberg atoms has another property that turns out to be useful -- it can be made transparent by a laser tuned to a specific frequency. This laser essentially saturates the gas's ability to absorb light, allowing another laser beam to pass through it. However, the critical frequency at which this happens depends crucially on the properties of the Rydberg atoms in the gas. When these atoms interact with radio waves, the critical frequency changes in response. That's the basis of the radio detection. Anderson and co create a gas of cesium atoms excited into Rydberg states. They then use a laser tuned to a specific frequency to make the gas transparent. Finally, they shine a second laser through the gas and measure how much light is absorbed, to see how the transparency varies with ambient radio waves. The signal from a simple light-sensitive photodiode then reveals the way the radio signals are frequency modulated or amplitude modulated.
The atomic radio can detect a huge range of signals -- over four octaves from the C band to the Q band, or wavelengths from 2.5 to 15 centimeters. It also should be less insensitive to electromagnetic interference due to its lack of conventional radio circuitry. "The atomic radio wave receiver operates by direct real-time optical detection of the atomic response to AM and FM baseband signals, precluding the need for traditional de-modulation and signal-conditioning electronics," say Anderson and co.

125 comments

  1. ‘Less Insensitive’ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Huh?

  2. Great moments in summarization... by 14erCleaner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That should be "more or less insensitive", not "more insensitive".

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    1. Re:Great moments in summarization... by 14erCleaner · · Score: 2

      Oops, I meant "less insensitive". Hoist by my own petard! (Will /. ever allow comment editting? But I digress....)

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    2. Re:Great moments in summarization... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Currently the summary says "less insensitive", so great moments in critiquing as well. Btw your blog looks a lot like my default browser tabs (about:blank) consider me a subscriber.

    3. Re:Great moments in summarization... by sysrammer · · Score: 2

      I came here to point out A Mistake on the Internet, and was pleased to get a double dose! I'm glad /. doesn't allow edits :)

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    4. Re:Great moments in summarization... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I interpreted it as "less sensitive" which would be correct.

      There are lots of different kinds of interference. In a good radio system, noise from the radio's electronics should be a minor component, dominated by thermal noise, to say nothing of "interference" which is other legitimate radio waves that just happen to not be of interest to the operator. This system would probably have less electronic noise, but could easily have worse thermal noise.

  3. Only requires by rahvin112 · · Score: 0

    Only requires 2 lasers, highly radioactive turned into a gas and energized into a highly excited state.

    I see no problems with any of those things in a commercial device.

    1. Re:Only requires by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

      highly radioactive

      No.

      Highly REactive: Add water and it burns. Not an issue when it's a trace of gas in, say, a "gassy vacuum tube" the size of a grain of rice.

      The isotope you mine is the (only) stable one. You can get radioactive isotopes from reactor waste - but you can get radioactive isotopes of just about ANY element from reactor waste.

      Lasers are often small diodes these days. Shining two through a glass capsule - then into an absorber in one case and a photodetector in the other - is no big deal.

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    2. Re:Only requires by kalieaire · · Score: 5, Funny

      doesn't necessarily have to be radioactive to be excited.  electrons get excited for a variety of reasons.  birthdays, the color periwinkle blue, experience electricity with a potential hot date.  that sort of thing.

    3. Re: Only requires by reiterate · · Score: 0

      Don()])t have a cow, man

    4. Re:Only requires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you gotta see those High End FM radios, with tubes and lasers and shit! Only 50k for the intro model with less gold. Up with more gold and less oxygen for clearer reception and tunes.

    5. Re:Only requires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50k isn't that much in some situations.

      Say that you want radio communication in a fighter jet. If you can make it lighter, less power consuming and still more sensitive then 50k might be worth it.

      If you are going on a polar expedition then a 50k radio system might be a good investment.

      If noise makes other radio solutions unusable and you end up in a situation where it is either a 50k radio or running cables then there are plenty of places where the radio is the cheaper alternative.

      Not everything is cheap consumer electronics.

    6. Re:Only requires by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Re: your sig
      I've always heard it as, "happy NEW year", and justified it because roosters never know what time it is.

    7. Re:Only requires by necro81 · · Score: 1

      "gassy vacuum tube" the size of a grain of rice.

      this was something I was curious about: how large is this setup presently, and small do they think they can make it. The article mentions they had the excited cesium in a vapor cell. Vapor cells are lab-grade blown glassware, one-to-several cm in diameter and at least several cm long. That isn't going to replace the antennae in my smartphone anytime soon.

      On the other hand, this is an experimental setup, probably spanning a large tabletop (an optical table at that!). But they gave no hint about how small they might be able to make this. I think "grain of rice" isn't likely anytime soon. But it could be, eventually. The first transistor was a rather chunky thing, too. Now a trillion of them fit on a fingernail. It may be possible for them to construct a vapor cell using lithographic techniques, similar to how MEMs technology put a 6-axis IMU chip in every smartphone.

    8. Re: Only requires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what your response "sounds" like:

      Whoosh

    9. Re:Only requires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say, looking like a dick is marginally better then being one.

    10. Re:Only requires by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      "Your MOM goestocollege"

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    11. Re: Only requires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      especially if the radio is in a fighter jet

  4. What's the benefit? by TomBauserman · · Score: 1

    Why is this better than current radio?

    1. Re:What's the benefit? by kalieaire · · Score: 1

      filtering.

      basically you use laser 1 to make the gas "sensitive" to a very specific frequency. then you use a second laser with an optical sensor to identify the minute differences which can be demodulated into audio or digital signals, or whatever is useful.

    2. Re:What's the benefit? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Why is this better than current radio?

      Reading TFA, it isn't better. So we're going to replace a compact radio with a tube of cesium and lasers? This is exceptionally interesting, but trying to see the practicality of it is a non-starter.

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    3. Re:What's the benefit? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why is this better than current radio?

      Replace an antenna the size of your hand, your arm, rabbit ears, a tower, ... with something you can mount on a chip in a tiny package on a PC board.

      Get rid of the noise, intermodulation, and other pathologies in the high gain amplification and filtering of the tiny amount of energy picked up by that antenna, substituting a direct quantum-mechanical readout of the field, with high signal strength, only competing with noise from variations in the lasers' output as your starting point, feeding a strong signal to a more ordinary amplifier.

      If it works out it could be a big deal in a tiny package.

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    4. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not that it's "better" but a completely new method of detecting radio waves. Radio receivers haven't really changed all that much since the invention of the transistor, mostly it's been miniaturization more than anything.

      This receiver would fall under the category of basic research, not a practical receiver.

    5. Re:What's the benefit? by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

      Its not clear from the article what the effective collection area or noise temperature is for this. Its possible that it works with laser cooled atoms to provide an extremely low noise receiver that could be useful for scientific applications.

      That said, they seem to be measuring ~6V/M field levels, which is far larger than the signals received by conventional radios. (usually micro-volts/meter), so its not clear what they would do to improve the power sensitivity by ~12 orders of magnitude.

      Still, its sort of a cool trick and might have some application.

    6. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      An antenna the size of a grain of rice versus being measured in feet and you don't see the practicality?

    7. Re:What's the benefit? by Drishmung · · Score: 1
      One antenna covering a huge range of frequencies, rather than many. As the article says, a normal antenna is one or more conductors, each 1/2 wavelength long. If you have many bands, such as the cellphone system, then you need one antenna for each band.

      With high bandwidths, such as will be used for 5G, you are into the sweet spot for this technology.

      In other words, this has potential.

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    8. Re:What's the benefit? by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      But it's receive only, not really useful for a communication device.

    9. Re:What's the benefit? by jezwel · · Score: 1

      This is News for Nerds, it doesn't have to be better. The additional complexity to do the same thing in a potentially much smaller package helps.

    10. Re:What's the benefit? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      For terrestrial radio, sky noise is greater than the noise of electronics up to about 200 MHz. There's no possibility for improvement in signal to noise ratio below that frequency.

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    11. Re:What's the benefit? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      It's got one minor drawback.
      It can only receive signals.
      Good for broadcast, not so good for anything requiring two way communication, like pretty much everything except TV and radio.

    12. Re:What's the benefit? by Drishmung · · Score: 1

      Good point. However, receive and transmit antennae are normally separate anyway. You use a multi-element receive antenna, but a single element transmit antenna. If you can replace all of your multi-element receive antennae with a single, smaller one, that's still a big win in terms of tower real-estate.

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    13. Re:What's the benefit? by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      yeah, let's all judge the potential of new tech by its first clunky prototype.

    14. Re:What's the benefit? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      If you have many bands, such as the cellphone system, then you need one antenna for each band.

      Yeah, but the antennas are so tiny that it doesn't really matter.

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    15. Re:What's the benefit? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It can only receive signals.
      Good for broadcast, not so good for anything requiring two way communication,

      Transmitting with a tiny antenna is easy. You use the same amount of energy as with a big antenna, but with a little antenna the energy density is much higher. As long as you make the impedance match properly, so all the energy is launched, you're fine, regardless of the area of the antenna.

      One antenna I'm working with currently is for BLE - on the 2.4G band. The quarter-wavelength there is about 1 1/4 ". But the antenna is mostly a chip of ceramic, with some horrendously high permittivity. (Ceramics can get to 6k or so, though I haven't computed the scale of this thing to estimate its permittivity.) So the quarter-wavelength, in and immediately around the chip, is scaled down in proportion, making the antenna about the same length as a surface-mount capacitor, though substantially narrower. The energy density is also scaled up (in proportion squared), and by the time the wave has expanded to the size of a free-air quarter-wavelength antenna the energy density is down to just that of the larger antenna.

      On the receiving side it still works - sort of. But the energy density of the incoming wave doesn't scale up at all when the antenna shrinks. So it intercepts only the tiny amount of energy that passes within a scaled-down quarter-wavelength around the scaled-down antenna, rather than that passing withing a free-air quarter wavelength of a free-air quarter wavelength metallic conductor.

      So one of these for transmitting and one of the invention for receiving (if it also works at such a tiny size) and you have your ultraminiaturized two-way system.

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    16. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of systems that uses different channels for uplink and downlink.
      It is also not uncommon to have asymmetric bandwidth.

    17. Re:What's the benefit? by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 0

      The size of an antenna is determined by the wavelength being received or transmitted. It's far from clear how this technology changes that.

    18. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which part of description makes you think its "tiny". Cesium gas + two lasers "on a chip in a tiny package". Good luck with that.

    19. Re:What's the benefit? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      But it's receive only, not really useful for a communication device.

      But great potential for radioastronomy.

    20. Re: What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radio receivers have completely changed. The differences between analog superheterodyne to direct conversion in an SDR are huge. Good luck designing a completely (to LF) analog WiFi or LTE receiver.

    21. Re: What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you didn't read the part of the article where they mentioned the frequency range this works on. The antennas for millimeter-wave radio signals are already the size of a grain of rice.

    22. Re:What's the benefit? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      GPS/Glonass/Galileo receivers would be another one.

    23. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does this have a score of 2? People must be self modifying. Any extreme reception problem now may have a better solution, such as: Submarine to surface communications, satellite to surface, radio space exploration, etc.. Not all radio communications are consumer. I can't believe that the military hasn't classified this and started creating better communications equipment, etc.

    24. Re:What's the benefit? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Good point. However, receive and transmit antennae are normally separate anyway. You use a multi-element receive antenna, but a single element transmit antenna. If you can replace all of your multi-element receive antennae with a single, smaller one, that's still a big win in terms of tower real-estate.

      Actually... This is not true. The same antenna is used for receive and transmit all the time. You have both full duplex (RX and TX at the same time) and half Duplex applications that do this.

      Your local cell tower and cell phone is a perfect example of this. My local Ham radio repeater does full duplex every time it's keyed.

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    25. Re:What's the benefit? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      One antenna covering a huge range of frequencies, rather than many. As the article says, a normal antenna is one or more conductors, each 1/2 wavelength long.

      Actually, their dipole is two opposed elements that are a quarter wavelength each element, but that's a drastic simplification.

      If you have many bands, such as the cellphone system, then you need one antenna for each band.

      With high bandwidths, such as will be used for 5G, you are into the sweet spot for this technology.

      In other words, this has potential.

      For the purpose of simplification, let's assume that you want to make a dipole at 1 GHz. The total wavelength at that frequency is roughly 300 mm. So a dipole antenna would be around 150 mm each leg.

      Now with the antennas being so small, we often add gain to them by making a Yagi-Uda antenna. This has a driven element, an element behind it, and usually one or more elements in front of it, all arranged by wavelength relationships. Total gain is related to entire length of the antenna, and directivity by total elements. Using this laser/cesium in a tube method, I'm trying to imagine a gain antenna. And failing badly.

      So it is kind of difficult to see exactly what this receiving only antenna can do in practical terms. An old school wire antenna can be used to transmit as well as receive, and both ends of smartphones do both transmit and receive.

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    26. Re:What's the benefit? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Good point. However, receive and transmit antennae are normally separate anyway. You use a multi-element receive antenna, but a single element transmit antenna. If you can replace all of your multi-element receive antennae with a single, smaller one, that's still a big win in terms of tower real-estate.

      Could you show me an implementation of what you consider a normal antenna array?

      I'll bounce that off of a friend who owns a communication company. None of his sites are normal it would appear, so he apparently need some expert help.

      Why oh why would you ever want to use an antenna of only one element while you had a nice gain antenna on the same frequency? If you are using the directivity the multi element provides, you will be hearing signals that the monopole might not have enough power to get back to, unless you increase the power. And it is much simpler and more efficient to get antenna gain than to pump up transmitter power.

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    27. Re:What's the benefit? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      yeah, let's all judge the potential of new tech by its first clunky prototype.

      Every few years, there is some "major breakthrough" in antennas. Almost all turn out to be major fails. I remember the Rutgers antenna that they claimed the prototype was so efficient that it melted when they pumped 100 watts through it! They actually said that, despite the fct that converting RF energy into heat was the exact opposite of efficiency. Then there was the Italian circularly polarized dish antenna that supposedly did it's polarization by virtue of putting a spiral shape on the dish. Then there are the EH antennas, which are a tuned circuit on top of a stick. Any RF getting out of those are from the coax going to the antenna.

      Make no mistake, this is interesting. And being reminiscent of the already existing plasma antenna, will probably have the same limitations.

      We can make antennas out of so many things. As a demonstration, I made an antenna out of Jello. It worked. I also made an antenna out of a toilet seat. It worked also. But an antenna that will require lasers to excite cesium atoms in a tube that only works as a receive antenna is more than just clunky.

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    28. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One antenna covering a huge range of frequencies, rather than many. As the article says, a normal antenna is one or more conductors, each 1/2 wavelength long. If you have many bands, such as the cellphone system, then you need one antenna for each band.

      With high bandwidths, such as will be used for 5G, you are into the sweet spot for this technology.

      In other words, this has potential.

      But will it help us to listen to Extraterrestrial intelligence signals?

    29. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After reading I still don't know if a piece of wire is more sensitive.

      I am thinking not much different to a geiger counter, which is kindof broadband.
      Also coatings could be applied to the containment tube = other possibilities.
      Best I can figure out is a passive spy bug, with some gass filled windows.

    30. Re:What's the benefit? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Which part of description makes you think its "tiny".

      The part where the antenna element is an individual atom, rather than a quarter-wavelength of metal or other conductor, and you only need enough of them to measurably occlude - or scatter - a laser beam, which can be quite narrow. If you can get enough of them into the requisite set of states to perform your measurements in a path length substantially less than a quarter wavelength of the frequency in question, you've got your miniaturiation.

      Granted the requisite state is Rydberg, so you're talking 3 micrometers for cesium. But there's still a few orders of magnitude to trade away for more atoms to modulate your laser light.

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    31. Re:What's the benefit? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Why does this have a score of 2? People must be self modifying. Any extreme reception problem now may have a better solution, such as: Submarine to surface communications, satellite to surface, radio space exploration, etc.. Not all radio communications are consumer. I can't believe that the military hasn't classified this and started creating better communications equipment, etc.

      Because it isn't better. Just because people do experiments and get all excited about them does not ipso facto make the thing they are all excited about the ultimate. It is merely a receive antenna that is made by utilizing a pretty standard physics application. It isn't really anything new, and not having the ability to transmit, and with the basic physics not showing any practical way to get any gain out of the antennas, then it is relegated to interesting footnote status. A interesting solution that is looking for a problem. Especially at the frequencies involved. My Jello antenna is also an application of physics, but I'm not going to suggest that all other antennas be abandoned for it.

      And my toilet seat antenna is pretty shitty.

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    32. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need a high-gain antenna, if instead you can amplify a weak signal and not introduce noise.

      An ordinary antenna senses EM waves by turning them into electricity directly. Well understood, and with well-known limitations like antenna sizes.

      This thing has a medium whose transparency varies with the EM waves passing through it. Transparency is then measured by passing light through it. The signal is then available as variable light, instead of electricity. A very different form of detection, which is interesting by itself. A key question is how the signal to noise ratio compares to an ordinary antenna. If it turns out to be better, it might be useful for receive-only situations.

    33. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lasers aren't that clunky, they are nice & small these days. Every blu-ray player has 3 or so - small compared to the clunky rotating medium.

      Radio to optic signal instead of electric is interesting. Even more interesting if it picks up weaker signals than the ordinary approach.

    34. Re:What's the benefit? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You don't need a high-gain antenna, if instead you can amplify a weak signal and not introduce noise.

      That certainly would be nice. The problem with weak signals is that they come with the noise attached. We do have innovative ways of receiving data that is actually at or below the noise floor. It is very slow, however. But this is a miraculous antenna indeed if it discards all of the noise, and amplies only the signal that you want.

      An ordinary antenna senses EM waves by turning them into electricity directly. Well understood, and with well-known limitations like antenna sizes.

      This thing has a medium whose transparency varies with the EM waves passing through it. Transparency is then measured by passing light through it. The signal is then available as variable light, instead of electricity.

      You do understand that light is still electromagnetic energy don't you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... This is along the same path as the visible light transmitters and receivers I made as a kid. The only possible advantage is if the signal picked up by the sensor is somehow noiseless.

      Today's high end radios are miracles of quiet. The background noise in even the most quiet RF free location is well above the noise floor of the radio itself. If you disconnect the antenna from the radio and the noise doesn't go down, there is something wrong with the radio.

      A very different form of detection, which is interesting by itself.

      Oh yes - it is very interesting.

      A key question is how the signal to noise ratio compares to an ordinary antenna. If it turns out to be better, it might be useful for receive-only situations.

      If the antenna is adding noise other than the inherent vertical versus horizontal polarization noise (most local noise sources tend toward vertical polarization, and using vertical polarization is therefore the antenna picking up more ambient noise) there is something wrong with the antenna or connections.

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    35. Re:What's the benefit? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Lasers aren't that clunky, they are nice & small these days. Every blu-ray player has 3 or so - small compared to the clunky rotating medium.

      Radio to optic signal instead of electric is interesting. Even more interesting if it picks up weaker signals than the ordinary approach.

      Even more interesting is it it will brew me a cup of coffee in the morning.

      Look, if this will allow below the noise floor instantaneous communications with zero noise and always perfect reception, it will be a lot more than a use of a known concept. It will require a total re-write of the laws of physics. And I'll be happy to be wrong.

      If you are so certain, hold your breath until this optical antenna eliminates all other towers - they won't be needed any more because of the elimination of the signal to noise ratio problem, and allows instantaneous global communications on all frequencies because there is no longer any signal restraints because optics.

      I've seen this all before with these miracle antennas, both the concept, and the luddite shaming of any one who dares to question the breakthrough. It's all great breakthroughs until it isn't.

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    36. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One antenna covering a huge range of frequencies, rather than many. As the article says, a normal antenna is one or more conductors, each 1/2 wavelength long. If you have many bands, such as the cellphone system, then you need one antenna for each band.

      With high bandwidths, such as will be used for 5G, you are into the sweet spot for this technology.

      In other words, this has potential.

      Yes, if lasers can 'read' EM radiation it indeed opens up many possibilities.

    37. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One antenna covering a huge range of frequencies, rather than many. As the article says, a normal antenna is one or more conductors, each 1/2 wavelength long. If you have many bands, such as the cellphone system, then you need one antenna for each band.

      With high bandwidths, such as will be used for 5G, you are into the sweet spot for this technology.

      In other words, this has potential.

      In other news, this is also a kind of photo-electric effect.

    38. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not "individual atom" though, not even close. It is gas, vaporized metal. Lots and lots of atoms at very high temperature. Cesium boils at 944 K/671C/1240F. This thing is complex and huge and there seem to be no way to miniaturize it. Theoretically interesting and maybe even useful but not "on a chip in a tiny package".

    39. Re:What's the benefit? by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      gps?

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    40. Re:What's the benefit? by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      If it works out it could be a big deal in a tiny package.

      Especially for radar.

    41. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly we should stop trying because we have already invented the best of everything that can be invented.

    42. Re: What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or NMR and MRIs

    43. Re:What's the benefit? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Clearly we should stop trying because we have already invented the best of everything that can be invented.

      Clearly you have slippery sloped this to the max.

      Pointing out issues is how science works. The science of this is fascinating. But your approach is the exact opposite of what is needed. Skepticism is the rule to progress.

      This is how people who are denialisms of AGW and Creationists accidentally help undermine their own faith. Pointing out anything that remotely looks anomalous, and the scientists scurry to address that issue.

      Anyone who simply says "Oh this is freaking awesome and the way of the future!" is worthless from a scientific or research perspective. Me pointing out problems because I would like to see something succeed is very worthwhile. Would I like this to succeed? Sure. I would love a teeny tiny antenna for the Medium frequencies. Do I think it will work? No. But my criticisms are valuable nonetheless. Your slippery slope analysis is less than worthless, it's asking for no input.

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    44. Re:What's the benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry, i may have been a bit hasty and misinterpreted what you were saying.

      Often announcements like this are made to secure additional funding, you can sort of view them as advertisements. It is quite possible nothing will come from this but they have to dress it up and put a shiny coat on it to make it look good to get the new grants to keep on researching. Even if this doesn't turn out to be a good antenna the effect they discovered is still interesting by itself and could have uses in other areas.

  5. And soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Coming next week on another exiting episode of Slashdot: Why, oh, Why?!

    As nefarious moderators continue to construct their secret atomic blast-o-beam that can use normal radio waves to manipulate the molecular structures of some elements, CmdrTaco realizes that the penile implants of the new Slashdot administrators are sensitive to such frequencies. In a daring mission he and RobMalda engineer a daring plan to hijack a radio telescope array. Will their intrepid plan to demolecularize what microscopic residue the administrators consider to be their testicles to work?

    1. Re: And soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1, Interesting

      and I have a gigantic boner right now

  6. Amazing advance by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    I mean really that's about the equivalent of turning an electron gas into your antenna. Still will need signal conditioning and demodulation though unless it's very linear.

  7. Huh? by bjwest · · Score: 4, Interesting

    reinvented the antenna from scratch

    The battery was reinvented, due to it's first development, in what is now modern day Iran, being lost over time. The antenna, however, has not been forgotten so could not have been "reinvented". Redesigned, perhaps, or a new type of antenna may have been invented, but the antenna on my roof is still there, and is still a variation of the first dipole antenna invented by Heinrich Hertz. This seems to be a variation of the phased array, just on a molecular scale, who's development has been filtered through the marketing department.

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    1. Re:Huh? by technosaurus · · Score: 2

      I think they are using the Wells Fargo definition.

    2. Re:Huh? by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

      Why do you hate innovation from the innovating innovators? Is it because you are afraid of change?

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    3. Re:Huh? by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

      No, it was not redesigned. This is a completely new invention that happens to serve the same purpose. The term "reinvented" is absolutely applicable in this case.

    4. Re:Huh? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      reinvented the antenna from scratch

      The battery was reinvented, due to it's first development, in what is now modern day Iran, being lost over time. The antenna, however, has not been forgotten so could not have been "reinvented". Redesigned, perhaps, or a new type of antenna may have been invented, but the antenna on my roof is still there, and is still a variation of the first dipole antenna invented by Heinrich Hertz. This seems to be a variation of the phased array, just on a molecular scale, who's development has been filtered through the marketing department.

      It's become a fairly common usage now.

      If someone is said to have "reinvented" the sitcom, it doesn't mean (despite evidence to the contrary, badum ching) that we have forgotten how to make sitcoms. It means that someone has come up with a radical new version of the type.

    5. Re:Huh? by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      The antenna, however, has not been forgotten so could not have been "reinvented". Redesigned, perhaps, or a new type of antenna may have been invented, but the antenna on my roof is still there, and is still a variation of the first dipole antenna invented by Heinrich Hertz.

      reinvent: "Change (something) so much that it appears to be entirely new."

      The antenna could very well have been reinvented, so long as one's ego is small enough to realize that they are not the sole arbiter of the meaning of common words.

      This seems to be a variation of the phased array, just on a molecular scale, who's development has been filtered through the marketing department.

      Pray tell, how is this a variation of the phased array? Where are the multiple antennas and, more importantly, the differential processing based upon a scanning of signal phase that imparts directionality?

      "Finally, they shine a second laser through the gas and measure how much light is absorbed, to see how the transparency varies with ambient radio waves. The signal from a simple light-sensitive photodiode then reveals the way the radio signals are frequency modulated or amplitude modulated."

      One probe, one detector, no scanning, and no greater thought by you than you attribute to that "marketing department."

    6. Re:Huh? by bjwest · · Score: 1

      reinvent: "Change (something) so much that it appears to be entirely new."

      If you change something so much that it appears to be an entirely new thing, it IS an entirely new thing.

      FTFS: "Their new device works in an entirely different way from conventional antennas, using a laser to measure the way radio signals interact with certain types of atoms."

      The invention of the LCD panel didn't reinvent the display tube, it replaced it with an entirely different method, which just happened to provide the same function. Same thing here. Using cesium atoms in a container, excited by two lasers, they were able to detect radio waves by the change in frequency of the atoms in that gas. That, by the way, was where I was getting the phased array analogy from. An antenna is (2) a rod, wire, or other device used to transmit or receive radio or television signals. This may qualify as an 'other device', but in reality it's an entirely new device. You may or may not call an antenna, but it does not replace the standard, passive, antenna invented by Hertz. I don't even think this can be used for transmitting, and certainly won't be replacing the antenna any time soon.

      One probe, one detector, no scanning,

      Each atom could be considered a detector because the final signal is determined by how much light is absorbed by the gas (again, thus the loose array analogy).

      IMHO reinvent is a made up word used to either fool people you are marketing to (be it you or your product you are marketing), help inflate one's ego, or both. To repeat what I stated above, if you change something so much it appears to be something entirely new, it is something entirely new. To say otherwise is just trying to inflate the importance unnecessarily and end up making it seem less important. If you invent something new, take credit for that. If you improve on an existing technology, don't try to make it sound more important by saying you "reinvented" it.

      And for the record, I do believe this is a significant development, but also believe the space shuttle program was significant, but didn't reinvent air travel.

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    7. Re:Huh? by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      If you change something so much that it appears to be an entirely new thing, it IS an entirely new thing.

      Again, you do not determine what words mean. The community determines what words mean. What has been done fits within the commonly accepted meaning of the term "reinvented," ergo you cannot properly say that "the antenna could not have been 'reinvented.'"

      The invention of the LCD panel didn't reinvent the display tube

      But it did reinvent the electronic display.

      It replaced it with an entirely different method, which just happened to provide the same function.

      Which is pretty much how the term "reinvent" is used by far, far more people than yourself, hence the common definition. Ever notice how a "brake" can be mechanical or magnetic? A computer can be human, mechanical, semiconductor, or quantum? Human beings tend to name useful things by function. Very popular non-functional names even tend to become functional. Google it yourself.

      Same thing here. Using cesium atoms in a container, excited by two lasers, they were able to detect radio waves by the change in frequency of the atoms in that gas. That, by the way, was where I was getting the phased array analogy from.

      What analogy? Antennas are made up of multiple atoms, but that does not transform all antennas into phased array antennas.

      An antenna is (2) a rod, wire, or other device used to transmit or receive radio or television signals.

      Funny thing that your definition uses "or" rather than "and."

      This may qualify as an 'other device', but in reality it's an entirely new device.

      It's as if you've paraphrased the definition of the term "reinvent."

      You may or may not call an antenna, but it does not replace the standard, passive, antenna invented by Hertz.

      Sure it does. Substitute this antenna for the "standard, passive antenna invented by Hert" in an FM radio receiver. Replaced.

      I don't even think this can be used for transmitting

      Not a requirement under your definition of antenna - you used "or" and not "and." Want to bet that it's not a requirement under the common meaning of the term antenna as well?,

      and certainly won't be replacing the antenna any time soon

      It already did. Except that now you're redefining "replacing" to mean "technologically superseding." We've been down this road. You're wrong again ("Fill the role of (someone or something) with a substitute.")

      IMHO reinvent is a made up word used to either fool people you are marketing to (be it you or your product you are marketing), help inflate one's ego, or both.

      All words are made up, and in commonly accepted opinion you're wrong.

      To repeat what I stated above

      Rando thinks repetition suffices to make himself right... respected dictionary disagrees.

      One probe, one detector, no scanning,

      Each atom could be considered a detector because the final signal is determined by how much light is absorbed by the gas (again, thus the loose array analogy).

      No, it cannot because the signal is collected by a single, non-scanning photodetector so that the phase of the light absorbed by each atom is lost in the aggregation of photons striking the photodetector. There is no such thing as a "loose phased array" -- you must know or detect the position of each antenna in order translate the temporal signal information of each antenna into spatial signal information in order to determine (or control) the direc

  8. Re:Too little too late by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody has cared about radio for 15 years. Inventing a new form of radio is interesting but pointless.

    So you don't use a smartphone or a wireless router, or any form of wireless transmission? You don't care because radio is everywhere.

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  9. Finally... by galabar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    actual news for nerds!

    1. Re:Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know. Weird, eh?

    2. Re:Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone...

    3. Re: Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Science, bitch! (and I like it)

    4. Re:Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actual news for nerds!

      Wait.. what? where? on /.? Can't be!

  10. Less insensitive??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It also should be less insensitive to electromagnetic interference due to its lack of conventional radio circuitry

    Holy fuck, really?

    Less insensitive means "more sensitive", idiots.

  11. Re:Too little too late by DigiShaman · · Score: 0

    Pssst! Don't tell anyone, but Radio is code word for "conservative talk radio". Only conservatives spies get there marching orders from Rush Limbaugh. At any moment, they're ready to act on a coordinated attack against gays and hipsters. A Pearl Harbor event were they take San Francisco.

    Radio, ATOMIC Radio... be afraid! Be very very afraid for now the voices are to be heard much clearer now.
     

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  12. Missed a geek naming opportunity by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    Should be the Zoidberg atoms, not the Rydberg atoms...

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    1. Re:Missed a geek naming opportunity by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      If only Futurama was invented 100 years ago when they figured that shit out.

  13. Not a new form of radio. by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's not a new form of radio, it is a new form of radio receiver.

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  14. In other words by Snotnose · · Score: 0

    Clearchannel (oops, iheart) sprays shit over 4 octaves of spectrum, instead of just the FM band.

    Forgive me for preferring my CDs and USB device over your "radio".

  15. This is a big wow by bigmacx · · Score: 1

    Read the article a few times. This is pretty amazing stuff. Truly ingenious way of looking at the task

  16. Does it go the other way as well? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

    The bottleneck for two-way communication is generally the return channel of the mobile device. Is this going to help with efficiency at that end, or is this inherently a one-way process? It would seem to me that the process inherently includes an opto-isolator, which makes the process irreversible. It will still help by pushing the noise floor down on the receive end, but if we're still stuck with the same old transmit antennas we have now, this design isn't going to make phones any smaller since it can't replace the existing antenna(s).

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    1. Re:Does it go the other way as well? by Knightman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can make the transmitting antenna very small compared to the receiving antenna.

      An analogy would be spraying water from a hose (transmitting) where the diameter can very small and the water exits at a much higher speed (energy density). To receive the water in useful quantities you can't use a funnel with the same size as the hose, instead you need to scale the funnel up many magnitudes (size dependent on the distance between the hose and the funnel)..

      The atomic receiver in this scenario is equivalent to a funnel that's actually smaller than the hose regardless of the distance between the two.

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    2. Re:Does it go the other way as well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An electrically small antenna is equally inefficient for transmit and receive. These are symmetric unlike your hose analogy.

    3. Re:Does it go the other way as well? by Knightman · · Score: 1

      The hose and the funnel works in the same way, they are equally inefficient for transmit and receive given the same size. As soon as the distance increase you get an increased loss, exactly the same as with electrical antennas.

      The ratio of loss vs distance is of course not the same due to the different physics involved but if you purely look on the signal strength from a receiving antenna size matters, exactly as with the amount of water a larger funnel can catch.

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  17. a couple of points by cats-paw · · Score: 1

    very cool idea.

    nowhere even remotely as good as a modern receiver IC.

    but very cool idea.

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  18. Cool! by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

    I think I just had a StarTrek moment here. The concept is simple and elegant (obviously practical aspects aren't quite as simple but certainly far from undoable) A combination of shit we already knew and already had to do something nobody thought of yet.

    I may be in love here to a degree that I wont even ask for when we can expect this to be commercially available ;).

  19. Chris Moyles by devlp0 · · Score: 1

    I stopped listening to Radio1 when Chris Moyles left the breakfast show anyway.

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  20. Phased arrays and directionality by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 1

    What gets me most excited about this is that the receiving element is tiny- if they can also be made dense- and it looks like there are elements that can be shared among multiple receivers to increase density. A dense set of antennas allows for very directional beamforming, and IIRC, this is a sufficient way to have an extremely accurate directional receiver. The Coherence of the laser should even help with that. Their photodiode as a demodulator is primitive, but a start.

  21. Atomic Radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And here I thought cars were the only things that blew up in the wasteland! Now I can throw atomic radios like hand grenades at those pesky Deathclaws!

  22. I wonder how big the optical equipment is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will it fit in your pocket?
    Your living room?
    Your warehouse?

  23. Re:Too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't know if carrying a cesium cell phone in my pocket would be a good idea.

  24. Invention of a century by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

    It's truly a remarkable invention, everything relies on wireless transmission nowadays. From this brief description it suggests that this new antenna is not only very wide band but also very sensitive (not to mention the size). I hope it will get into market soon, it will revolutionize communication not only on Earth but also between satellites. I also wonder an impact on radio astronomy, instead of huge heavy collector dishes one might imagine a field of these sensors (depending on its price and sensitivity though).

    Thanks for this info.

    BTW, sadly, some comments suggest that the /. is not so geeky anymore.

  25. the questions everyone really wants to know by e3m4n · · Score: 1

    What is the sensitivity and latency using this method? Since it occurs at the atomic scale can we assume that the chance of getting real data throughput in the FM band quite good?

    What will be the impact on transmission power requirements given this heightened sensitivity? Will low power devices be as clear-reception as the type of power transmission hitting the airwaves when you tune into a radio station?

    The biggest downfall to 2.4ghz and 5.8ghz (aside from crowding and cross-talk interference) is the line-of-sight and near-line-of-sight requirements to travel more than a few miles. With lower frequencies and longer wavelengths, line of sight would become less required, especially if the sensitivity is as heightened as they are making it sound. 900mhz worked better from a wireless-internet perspective, but the throughput was shit. I am assuming that the closer to quantum scale you get, the quicker the response times and lower the latency. Unfortunately 900mhz fell outside the 15cm range but maybe they can find a similar method that worked even at 33cm wavelengths.

    This is huge from a free (as in speech) internet perspective. Back in the 90s when we first got into the internet business, the only people offering service were local companies akin to small-town cable companies who bought a franchise license. Unlike cable, you could have 3 and 4 providers in a town. Since the PSTN was already in place and in use to provide service, you had your choice of which providers you used for dialup services. As broadband came to market these small providers worked with the telco's to resell ADSL the phone companies provided where the layer2 gets tunneled back to a specific provider. Not quite as equal but still gave the consumer some alternative options. Shortly after the patriot act and the verizon ruling of not having to let competitors on your network, things devolved into two monopolies, the telco's and the cable companies. Nearly gone is the cottage industry of providing internet access. Wireless is the only real frontier left, but its limitations have hindered it considerably. Trees are a problem, other buildings are a problem, cross-talk is a problem. Attenuation and line-of-sight are creating a lot of difficulties in back-hauling information. Even within a given radius, using google earth to qualify a potential customer, onsite surveys still sometimes return failed test results. If we can open the frontier of wireless communication to where anyone could successfully go into business selling access wirelessly, we can put an end to these monopolies in a pure market-driven, non-legislated manner. We wouldn't have to fret Net Neutrality oversight. With 10 - 15 different providers in your town, that are just as easy to switch to as picking a different SSID and calling them up to start billing, the power the telco's would wield by trying to collude with each other to restrict your access, diminishes greatly. It was never the tier1 carrier availability that eroded your options, it was always the last-mile connection that was/is the problem.

    1. Re:the questions everyone really wants to know by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      How did this get from C to Q band to AM/FM? Quite a leap, not mere octaves.

      Or do I have to wade through this to see that antenna tech that can span in one device from 55,000 to 2.5 cm?

      Yeah, that is impressive. Now to hook this into a SDR and have some real fun, if it's smaller than a camper.

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    2. Re:the questions everyone really wants to know by e3m4n · · Score: 1

      FM is a huge range actually, covering more than just public broadcast. But the article did mention both.

      "The atomic radio wave receiver operates by direct real-time optical detection of the atomic response to AM and FM baseband signals, precluding the need for traditional de-modulation and signal-conditioning electronics,"

      right now detection is limited to wavelengths from 2.5 to 15 centimeters ... which is 2Ghz - 10Ghz, definitely much higher than the 88 - 108 Mhz frequencies reserved for public radio broadcasts. Sensitivity and accuracy with the new technology could lead to much lower broadcast power requirements. Imagine a cell phone using bluetooth-level power transmissions to communicate with the cell tower a few miles away. On the flip side (down side) imagine a transmitter and atomic battery the size of a grain of salt implanted into someone as a tracker. At least, so far, the transmitter side uses older technology. If they figure out how to use this technology to transmit on a given frequency that grain of rice tracker that keeps its charge for months/years becomes a very real possibility.

    3. Re:the questions everyone really wants to know by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 1

      AM and FM are modulations, used in broadcast band communications. This technique (as described by the paper) can be used to play back signals that were modulated onto a carrier- changing the carrier's Amplitude and Frequency.

    4. Re:the questions everyone really wants to know by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      I understood that. More interesting was the assertion that this technology would be useful from 550m to 2.5cm. Or perhaps even broader application, it seems going from AM broadcast band to LW wouldn't be a big leap if you're going from upper microwave..

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    5. Re:the questions everyone really wants to know by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 1

      OK, Gotcha. As I understand it, more than anything, what the paper shows is a proof-of-concept that does away with traditional antennas (using electromagnetic waves to induce electron flow in a conductor), replacing it with monitoring something that is changing due to EM waves effect upon quantum states- making the wavelength of the electromagnetic wave irrelevant. Of course, this is my interpretation, but if it proves out- this is a very different way of doing things than we have been doing since Maxwell, and could lead to some very cool new things.

  26. Re:Too little too late by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Pssst! Don't tell anyone, but Radio is code word for "conservative talk radio". Only conservatives spies get there marching orders from Rush Limbaugh. At any moment, they're ready to act on a coordinated attack against gays and hipsters. A Pearl Harbor event were they take San Francisco.

    Radio, ATOMIC Radio... be afraid! Be very very afraid for now the voices are to be heard much clearer now.

    You know - I think you're right about what a lot of people think. They hear the word radio, and they think of the dying AM radio world.

    I remember when Hams with their Handi-talkies were looked upon as nerds. Now people are hopelessly addicted to their smartphones, but they are somehow cool. Either way, those little devices are two way radios.

    I'm at breakfast now, connected to the restaurant's router with the radio in my laptop. Looking at the local mountains with all of their towers.

    For all of the AC's that think radio is dead, here's a cool little chart of frequency allocations in the USA https://www.ntia.doc.gov/files... I have a huge poster of this in my office to illustrate just how crowded the bands are. When someone gets spunky about "just find a space!" I tell them to go over to the chart and find the space to use. To make matters worse, even if AM radio dies off, those Medium frequencies are just too unruly for the kind of radio communications people envision today. So might as well allocate the whole band to Amateur radio for Hams to experiment with.

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  27. Sounds more exensive and thus will never be used. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it takes more money to build than a simple crystal radio or doesn't have the battery life of one, or otherwise cant prove itself as something worth the extra expense and cost, it will never be trusted or used.

    So what is the actual benefit of this?

  28. Yes, it is useful for mobile phones by MDMurphy · · Score: 1

    Increasing the sensitivity of the receiving antenna decreases the power requirement on the transmitter. Mobile phones have less of a problem receiving a signal from the tower than the tower does receiving from the mobile. Since the towers already report back the strength of the signal received, and the mobiles adjust power output as needed, a more sensitive antenna at the tower could have a positive effect on mobile phone use with no changes needed at the mobile. Saying that a new receiving antenna is useless for transmitting ignores the fact that transmitters and receivers are part of a system and improvements in the performance of one can result in improvements in the overall system.

  29. Complicated by nodan · · Score: 1

    What a f***cking complicated way to listen to your favorite FM station.

  30. Re: Too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the next fallout will perhaps include even more atomic radio

  31. Re:Sounds more exensive and thus will never be use by e3m4n · · Score: 1

    the potential upside is that you dont have to get brain cancer by transmitting from your cell phone in order to be picked up by the tower. Lower transmission power should be able to be 'heard' using this technology. This directly translates to better signal quality, less interference, and lower battery consumption. The LTE antenna is the biggest battery drain on your phone right after the active display. Along side these is the wi-fi antenna on your phone. So the upsides are:

    better coverage and lower power transmission for cellular data

    better coverage for wi-fi hotspots, less dead spots, perhaps 600ft+ radius

    lower power consumption on portable devices.

  32. Re: Too little too late by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    the next fallout will perhaps include even more atomic radio

    If we do ever decide it's time to play with our nucs, radio communications will be pretty dicey for quite a while. Those EMP pulses are going to shut down a lot of communications. Might be some Ionosphere disruptions as well.

    A lot of Emergency communicators store their equipment in Faraday cages for just that reason. I have some radios stored in ammo boxes to protect against EMP. A direct strike obviously won't matter as we turning into overcooked toast or die of radiation poisoning.

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  33. but but but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool and exciting discovery which may impact a lot of things. But 2.5-15 cm is 2-12 GHz, not very useful for long-range omni-directional terrestrial radio transmissions. However, I can imagine this might make a big impact on the design and usefulness of X band satellite receivers. Maybe it will improve WiFi receivers as well. Sounds like it might be possible to make it work just as well in any orientation. How about in a rapidly spinning device?

  34. Re:Too little too late by ole_timer · · Score: 1

    precisely! btw - how many radios in a typical smartphone? 5-6 or more - gps, nfc, cmda/gsm, wifi, bluetooth, hsda, etc., etc.

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  35. Re:Sounds more exensive and thus will never be use by ole_timer · · Score: 1

    ...making your iPhone 15 even smaller (15 to give it a chance to come into production by then)

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  36. Re:Too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody has cared about radio for 15 years. Inventing a new form of radio is interesting but pointless.

    I still listen to the radio! Now get off my lawn! Damn kids!

  37. Cellphone reception by david999 · · Score: 0

    Does this mean my cellphone will receive a signal indoors where it does not do so now?