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New Software Can Predict Landslides Weeks Before They Happen (smithsonianmag.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Smithsonian: Australian researchers may have found a way to detect landslides as far as two weeks in advance, giving residents time to evacuate and engineers the opportunity to shore up slopes. Using AI and applied mathematics they've developed a software that can identify the subtle signs of an impending slide, signs that would be invisible to the naked eye. "Right now, a lot of the predictions [about where landslides will happen] are based on someone's gut instinct on the location," says Antoinette Tordesillas, a professor at the School of Mathematics and Statistics at the University of Melbourne, who co-led the research. "We don't rely on gut instinct. We want to develop an objective method here." To develop the software, Tordesillas and her team used radar data from mining companies, which produce extremely detailed information of the surface movement of slopes. The team took the data and looked for patterns, eventually figuring out which networks of movements indicated unstable locations. They also used data from a landslide-prone Italian volcano to help develop the algorithm. The software can also incorporate data about other landslide risk factors, like rainfall and erosion, making the targeting even more precise. The data used for monitoring can come from radar based on the ground, on satellites or even in drones.

35 comments

  1. But can it not predict landslides by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    More important, though, is whether it can NOT predict landslides before they DON'T happen.

    low rate of false positives is also important

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    1. Re:But can it not predict landslides by BeauHD++(.)+(349) · · Score: 0

      How will Society ever progress when all we have is naysayers like you? Instead of being so critical, you should suggest something positive instead. Something that would "work" in your own narrow mind.

    2. Re: But can it not predict landslides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly I don't see how this is better than installing monitoring in known locations. We regularly fit fibre optic strain gauges on retaining walls and laser inclometers in the UK for active monitoring of construction sites or prone locations such as road embankments or chalk hills in the south. The upside of this type of monitoring is you get a picture of movement over time and any changes may indicate an instability that needs to be investigated.

    3. Re:But can it not predict landslides by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      That is coming in Phase II of the 5 year research.

    4. Re: But can it not predict landslides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even though the article implies use in normal locations if you read it you will see it mainly applies to mines that have active monitoring already installed

    5. Re: But can it not predict landslides by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      We already have monitoring, including wireless pressure and flow sensors and satellite imagery. But this is a new generation of people discovering neural networks so expect to see a lot of "amazing" progress. Next, someone will have software that predicts rainfall based on feeding a neural network.

    6. Re:But can it not predict landslides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also the factor of using it in landslide prone area that it will probably occur. It will be like psychic predicting a sports team will win in the future.

      Even if it doesn't happen it doesn't mean it won't happen 6 months down the road or a year later.

      The most important thing is continuously monitoring//finding the trouble area, report it's severity level, and give humans enough information to best plan out the course of action.

    7. Re:But can it not predict landslides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More important, though, is whether it can NOT predict landslides before they DON'T happen.

      low rate of false positives is also important

      As of now, it can't do anything. The headline is absolutely false, the software has not predicted a single landslide. They are working on it and hope it eventually will.

    8. Re:But can it not predict landslides by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Actually, a wide range of can *not* predict landslides before they don't happen. This list includes (but isn't limited to):

      aircraft carriers

      dragonflies

      dingle-berries

    9. Re: But can it not predict landslides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it is like the Donald Trump of algorithms, except with less golfing and no jackbooted thugs?

    10. Re:But can it not predict landslides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it possible to use AI to predict when AI will become the technological singularity? Maybe analyze every story that happens to mention AI with respect to the frequency of stories?

    11. Re: But can it not predict landslides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fibre (Fiber?) optic strain gauges and laser inclometers? Those sound really expensive. Who do you send the bill to?

    12. Re:But can it not predict landslides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do scientists get past: "My god says there will never be landslide, thus you've falsified all of your data and I'll never listen to your landslide warnings"? (Like they do with climate change.)

      I mean, Darwin awards can only be given so fast...

    13. Re:But can it not predict landslides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're the insulting, negative, douchebag here. He made a good point, that didn't detract from the research at all.

  2. Total BS by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    There is already open source landslide detection software (one written by NASA). If these "researchers" would contribute to already existing solutions we would be much better off.

  3. Seems archaic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldnâ(TM)t there be a more sciency name? Maybe Terrascoota?

  4. They could apply the Bayesian Methods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More important, though, is whether it can NOT predict landslides before they DON'T happen.

    By using Bayesian statistics one ought to be able to more accurately (not absolute accuracy, tho) differentiate the false positives from the real impending danger

  5. Mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He makes a really good point

  6. Mudslide by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Predicting Landslides has always been a challenge. Predicting Mudslides less so- just look for spikes in sales of Kahlua and Vodka in college towns.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  7. Re:Predicts Tesla Stock to Crash HARD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wait for the "nonstory" of tesla bankruptcy and musk suicide

  8. About time by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    So far every election day every politician and statistician is surprised by the way people vote.

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    1. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lost faith in software that can predict landslides ever since the "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN" fiasco.

    2. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only that was the kind of landslide they were predicting...

  9. Oh, THOSE landslides... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    My first thought was of UNIVAC I. :)

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    Ezekiel 23:20
  10. So can I by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    The issue is, how accurately? Not very, in my case. This system, we do not know yet.

  11. Can predict? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be sure to make asinine and meaningless claims. Implied in any statement about the ability to predict is the predictions have "high" accuracy. Fuckall can predict anything - as long as no accuracy is required. First there is the time envelope - when will the event happen? Second there is the probability and this might be contingent on the amount of rain (or Earth 'tremors') (rain ground water saturation). If the OP is too GD lazy to include accuracy, and time range, as well as type I & II error rates, then perhaps a different day job would be a better fit.

  12. The algorithm is actually quite simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The detector scans the terrain & if it sees its reflection in a snow-covered hill, the landslide will bring it down

  13. Idiocy at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is so stupid. So what does this mean? Yes, they can predict a landslide so long as prior to that time they predict where one is likely, AND they install equipment to monitor.

    So, where do you put your monitoring equipment right now? This is about as brilliant as a 25 watt bulb.

  14. Predicts them? Or causes them? by mark-t · · Score: 1

    (Conspiracy theories.... gotta love 'em)

  15. Why do landslides happen? by reboot246 · · Score: 2

    Because even mountains need to get their rocks off every once in a while.