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EU To Move Ahead With Cultural Quotas For Streaming Services (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: The European Union is set to move ahead with a plan to enforce pan-European quotas on streaming services like Amazon Prime Video and Netflix to support production of locally produced film and video content. Roberto Viola, the European Commission's directorate general of communication, networks, content and technology told Variety that the new rules are on track to be approved in December. The proposals will require that streaming services give over at least 30% of their on-demand catalogues to original productions made in each EU country where a service is provided (individual EU Member States could choose to set the content bar even higher, at 40%).

Streaming services will also have to ensure visibility and prominence for local content -- so no burying the 'European third' in a dingy corner of the site where no one will find it, let alone stream it. The EU lawmakers' intention is to stand up for cultural diversity against the might of Hollywood and the flattening power of platforms -- in the latter case by making platforms invest in local content production rather than just doing the easy thing of fencing yet more Marvel superhero movies.

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  1. Yeah I'm sure this will work. by xevioso · · Score: 5, Funny

    They will quickly find, much to their chagrin, that people will still end up watching Marvel movies rather than some movie about everyone in a French village being struck with a devastating plague of ennui.

    1. Re:Yeah I'm sure this will work. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is this supposed to work anyway? Say Netflix has 3000 films available for streaming today in a particular country. Replacing a third of them would mean needing to find 1000 local films, which would likely require scraping the bottom of the barrel in the case of countries that lack a film scene. That's already problematic enough as it is, but let's ignore it for the moment. More worrying is that in some of these countries, the film scene likely isn't large enough to warrant more than a handful of distributors for theatrically-released, domestic films. This law—at least as it's explained in the summary—would seat those distributors in a disproportionate and unfair position at the negotiating table, since they know that Netflix has no choice but to work with them. They're basically being given the tools to extort Netflix legally.

      In many ways, this bears a striking similarity to another form of intellectual property: standards-essential patents that companies have no choice but to use if they want to build a product in that space. In the case of standards-essential patents, however, the rights holders are required to provide licenses for their patents under FRAND terms in exchange for having their patents included in the standard. It seems to me like something similar should apply here: if the EU is effectively going to compel Netflix to license the rights to specific films, it's only fair that the rights holders to those films should be required to provide licenses under fair terms, lest they seek to take advantage of their propped up position.

    2. Re: Yeah I'm sure this will work. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most European countries have a long tradition of subsidising art that is deemed worthwhile, yet isn't attractive enough for the masses to be able to compete in the free market. You could say it's the European way. And with the rise of streaming services and cord-cutting, it makes sense to ensure that this stuff remains available on such services to those who want it.

      Now one could argue that forcing Netflix to host 30% local content isn't the best way to go about it. But another goal of this rule is to ensure that local small productions can find their way into these powerhouse all-you-can-eat subscriptions. It's serving the long tail, something that Netflix has been particularly bad at in my country even when it comes to older content from the US. So yeah, let's legislate. But at the same time that local content should be licensed out at long tail prices as well...

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    3. Re:Yeah I'm sure this will work. by taustin · · Score: 2

      How is this supposed to work anyway? Say Netflix has 3000 films available for streaming today in a particular country. Replacing a third of them would mean needing to find 1000 local films, which would likely require scraping the bottom of the barrel in the case of countries that lack a film scene.

      Or, if they already have 100 local films, simply reducing the catalog of everything else to 300 titles, rotated on a regular (perhaps even daily) basis.

      Netflix and Amazon aren't going to be spending a dime more than they do now on European made stuff.

    4. Re: Yeah I'm sure this will work. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      I agree that this is probably not the way to go about it. As someone else pointed out: Netflix can meet this quota either by buying more local content or by dropping less popular US content from Euro subscriptions.

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    5. Re:Yeah I'm sure this will work. by ffkom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We all know a central committee with a five year plan knows better what the consumer needs than the consumer himself.

      You mean, like the board of a global mega-corporation? After all, the detachment of decision-making from reality and customer demand in large corporations isn't that much different from the detachment of communist governments from the people.

      Also, the content of commercial productions is today totally dominated by the fear to try anything "original" that is too far off the mainstream, simply because return-on-investment isn't guaranteed and the 7th follow-up on a once successful movie is favored over any new story.

    6. Re: Yeah I'm sure this will work. by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 2

      If small, local productions are good, why wouldn't netflix show them?

      these streaming companies already do this. I saw films like Ida, Phoenix, Downfall and Personal Shopper on Netflix or Amazon.

      The reality is that a lot of European movie production just isn't very good. There isn't a generation replacing Fellini, Bergman, Truffaut, Godard and Fassbinder. Or even Luc Besson and Paul Verhoeven. Nicolas Winding Refn is about the only very good European director with a few films to his name.

      Korea and Mexico are producing better directors right now.

    7. Re:Yeah I'm sure this will work. by ffkom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      maybe just like films by Luc Besson ...

      Luc Besson's work is kind of "as hollywoodesque as European films get".

      A much better comparison would be the original 13 Tzameti versus its terribly shallow US-remake 13 (where even the title got overly simplified).

    8. Re: Yeah I'm sure this will work. by Tuidjy · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is no demand, but some people think that there is need.

      You know, my three year old would only eat fruit bars and drink fruit juice if given the choice, but my wife and I insist that she eats actual fruits, yogurt, vegetables, and meat, once in a while.

      Am I saying that European politicians look at their constituents the way adults look at toddlers? Maybe.

      Do I want someone regulating what I watch? No.

      Do I think that making content providers waste resources on something that their customers don't want will make their profit margins lower? Yes.

      Do I think that the content created because of law prescribed quota will be any good? Not really.

      Do I have a plan on how to balance appealing to the lowest human drives and elevating the human spirit? If I did, I would probably run for office.

      But I don't... so I will stick to writing code, tsk-tsking at EU's legislation, and wondering whether I will live to see which of Idiocracy, Elisyum, Terminator or Metro 2033 will end up being prophetic.

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    9. Re:Yeah I'm sure this will work. by naubol · · Score: 2

      I'm prepared to believe that some people will watch the content and that the law makers already understood that the rate of consumption would not be proportional. Chagrin seems unlikely.

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    10. Re:Yeah I'm sure this will work. by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Only in that country though. Germany, 30% German 70% anything else. France, 30% French 70% anything else. Italy, 30% Italian 70% anything else. Spain 30% Spanish 70% anything else.
      You can't have Sweden 30% Swedish + 30% German + 30% French + 30% Italian + 30% Spanish +...+
      Just logically there are more than 4 countries in Europe, so the total would be over 100%.
      Even EU bureaucracy isn't quite that bad,
      yet.

    11. Re: Yeah I'm sure this will work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You do know that movie is going to win three Academy Awards, right?

    12. Re: Yeah I'm sure this will work. by deKernel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do realize that the only reason the trade barriers were put in place was because the other country put their own trade barriers up first...right?

      How the hell the parent was up-voted is beyond me.....*sigh*

    13. Re:Yeah I'm sure this will work. by mbkennel · · Score: 2

      So in Cyprus are there 1000 Cypriot films worth seeing? What about in Malta?

    14. Re:Yeah I'm sure this will work. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Having seen Black Panther I think I'd go for the frogflick - it probably has a better plot & dialog plus a 75% chance of some gratuitous nudity.

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    15. Re: Yeah I'm sure this will work. by dargaud · · Score: 2

      Do I want someone regulating what I watch? No.

      Well, everything is still available, so it doesn't really matter.

      Do I think that the content created because of law prescribed quota will be any good? Not really.

      Well, on average, probably, but just look at the amount of Hollywood remakes of small european movies... Even those have a use in Hollywood when they have success and are original.

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    16. Re:Yeah I'm sure this will work. by indytx · · Score: 2

      How is this supposed to work anyway? Say Netflix has 3000 films available for streaming today in a particular country. Replacing a third of them would mean needing to find 1000 local films, which would likely require scraping the bottom of the barrel in the case of countries that lack a film scene.

      This all makes more sense if you assume that this is motivated as a subsidy forced on an American company as a tax. If you are Netflix and want to operate in France, you have to negotiate for French films, and then you are stuck negotiating with some jerk, smoking a Gauloises, demanding more for the streaming rights of a crummy French "art" film than it is worth. Can't get 30%, then you have to cut your catalog. The French filmmaker will know this and act accordingly. This is just a power/money grab.

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    17. Re: Yeah I'm sure this will work. by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 2

      The metal tariffs aren't really retaliatory, they are protectionist.

      Exactly.
      That's why I said this

      Says the Trump voter putting up trade barriers against the whole world...

      In direct response to this

      Can't compete? Legislate. It's the European way. Must be sad.

      Whoever replied after that was clearly not paying attention to the discussion and just trolling away.

  2. Tariffs by MightyYar · · Score: 2

    These aren't anything like tariffs, so it's perfectly fine to get red in the face at Trump over those.

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  3. Catalogue reductions by enriquevagu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Such quotas can be enforced in two ways: increasing the amount of local contents (as desired by the EU) or reducing the amount of foreign content.

    I predict massive reductions in the catalogue of Netflix in most European countries.

    1. Re:Catalogue reductions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can sympathize with the goal - a pure, global free market does tend to mean that a handful of global content producers (i.e. Hollywood) will crush any kind of regional cultural diversity with their economies of scale.

      But the obvious way to comply is to just add a lot of very cheap, low quality, locally produced filler. That's probably not what they're going for..

  4. Woo hoo! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Canada had something similar in place 30 years ago - it gave us such gems as SCTV's "Great White North" and the movie "Strange Brew". Thanks to that I learned the difference between back bacon and side bacon, and developed an appreciation for Molson's!

    Take off, you Hollywood Hosers!

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    1. Re:Woo hoo! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      I was actually trying to be funny, but obviously I failed miserably.

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  5. What does it even mean to "give over 30%" by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't understand why technically Netflix is supposed to "give over" anything - can't they just ALSO host EU content? Is this rule really mandating that Netflix stop streaming some content even though technically they could steam any amount of content with enough server space?

    I mean, over here in America I'd love to see this content also, let everyone see it!

    I look forward to the new category in the Netflix TV app - right next to "Violent TV shows", or "Feel Good Reality TV" (both actual Netflix categories), they can add a new one "Dreck the EU Made Us Show You".

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    1. Re:What does it even mean to "give over 30%" by cshark · · Score: 2

      Well, yeah. The 30% number insures that you would have to have a finite and probably much smaller catalog in europe than the US. Politicians in the EU are certifiably stupid. Of course, there's not much better in the US.

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  6. Re:Sweet fucking Jesus they're dumb by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Informative

    How long before companies just stand up and say "No" to this kind of buttinsky BS?

    Won't happen. Because money.

    We've already seen how companies are all too willing to bend over for the Chinese govt in order to gain access to that huge market. I'm sure this will be the same. Netflix or Prime won't want to give their competitors an edge in the EU market.

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  7. Unintended consequences by tomtomtom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't see how this can possibly work in eg Malta, Luxembourg and Cyprus, countries which are very small so will have almost no local content either back catalogue or current production. Just means Netflix etc will never do business there.

  8. Calling them "Culture Quotas" seems loaded by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    these are quotas on locally produced content. I'm not surprised the EU would want them. It's not hard to see why smaller local studios can't compete with (let's be honest mostly US based) mega corporations.

    And it's not so much that nobody watches the local content as it's that nobody'll produce it because why spend money making content for 2 markets when you can do it for one and folks will watch by default.

    Hell, I wish we'd do this in America. Lately the dialog and plots in American movies suck balls because they have to be watered down to get past Chinese censors and/or be easy to dub over.

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  9. Google "Quota Quickies" by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 2

    In the 1920s, UK cinema was suffering from competition from the USA. In response, cinemas were told that 20% of films had to be British. The result of this was simple: companies started producing "quota quickies". Really low budget films that cinemas could buy cheaply and show, just to hit the quota. There's no reason Netflix won't do the same. Go to a company like Gaumont or Pathe and ask what they've got going cheap. Lousy films everyone has forgotten that were made in the 1950s and they'll put them on. Quota ticked.

  10. Re:Socialist agendas don't work the way you want t by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    Why are you assuming that they don't want to watch local content?

    Because if everyone wanted to watch local content, they wouldn't have to force Netflix to carry it at gunpoint.

    If there's enough demand for something, Netflix will carry it, just to make money doing so. You'll only have to force them if what you're requiring is that they show something that will lose money....

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  11. Law of unintended consequences by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What the EU intends: TV shows that remain faithful to the vision of each country's own distinct culture.

    What will really happen: Netflix films 20 new TV shows based on... what else... Marvel or DC Comics, but has them produced in the EU instead of the US or Canada. Except they all follow Hollywood norms, have casts fluent in English & are produced IN English(*) so they can be directly monetized as-is in the US and internationally, and end up practically extinguishing what's left of that country's "culturally distinct" film industry (because everyone involved with the country's film/tv industry ends up being too busy chasing after Netflix's money).

    Oh... and lots of low-budget reality-TV and game shows, because they're just about the only kind of show you CAN profitably make if your total market and language community only has a few million potential viewers.

    The thing lots of people overlook is that "Hollywood" isn't a place. It's not even necessarily AMERICAN anymore. It's a business model that has proven over time to be wildly profitable & has spread over the globe.

    Case in point: how would you classify the nationality of a TV show like "Game of Thrones"? Most of its cast members are European. Practically every scene was filmed in Europe. The CGI and production are done in Europe.

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    (*) Or possibly, shoot scenes involving visibly-spoken dialogue twice, back to back... once in English, and once in the country's official language. It would cost more, but not THAT MUCH more since you'd be using the same cast (they're all bilingual, remember), the same CGI, and could do the editing workflow in parallel... and you'd end up with two versions, both of which were a first-quality original shot in their respective languages.

    I can't cite any specific examples, but I'm pretty sure this is ALREADY happening with big-budget Hollywood films co-produced with Chinese studios... two directors & casts [possibly with a few actors shared by both], shooting back to back using the same sets, extras, and CGI.

  12. I disagree by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    necessity is the mother of invention. Doctor Who was fantastic and made on a shoe string. The Michael Bay Transformers movies are $100+ million a pop and some of the worst drivel I've ever seen. I'd like to see some small local talent get a shot. They're likely to be constrained in ways that a big production is not, and those constraints will make them more interesting.

    It's like a garden full of Dandelions. They look nice and all but they're still weeds and they'll crowd out the rest of your followers.

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  13. Meanwhile, in the UK... by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 2

    The BBC produces a plethora of worthwhile content that not only stands and competes on its own merits; but is so sought-after that many people don't even wait for it to be legitimately available.

    Even in the '90s, before moving large video files around on the internet was feasible; things like Red Dwarf and old-school Doctor Who had huge and thriving bootleg PAL to NTSC converted VHS scenes. And when they re-introduced Doctor Who in 2005? Well, more than a few people started using BitTorrent that year, because BBC America was not available in their cable market at the time. Then there's Top Gear, Torchwood, Broadchurch, AbFab, Graham Norton, and Downton Abby, the original versions of The Office, Queer as Folk, and Skins, and of course the various iterations of BBC News.

    But no, EU; don't bother producing good content that can stand on it's own. Abuse the law to force crap content that no one wants on people. I'd bet if you find the money trail and follow it; there'd be some nicely large campaign contributions at the end.

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  14. Anime by djinn6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Guess Crunchyroll's going to get kicked out of the EU. They're over 90% Japanese.

  15. NOOOOOO!!!! PLEEASE GOOOD.... NOOOOO!!!!! by Mjlner · · Score: 2

    Please stop this now!

    Coming from a relatively small country that produces only boring dramas and cheap, cheesy wannabe-hollywoodesque crap, this would be the end of all decent programming. Since my country is so small, there isn't enough titles to form the 30%, so Netflix and HBO would have to make up for it by removing existing titles and replacing it with utter shite.

    NOOO!!!!

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