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Google Investigating Issue With Blurry Fonts on new Chrome 69 (zdnet.com)

Since the release of Chrome 69 earlier this week, countless of users have gone on social media and Google Product Forums to complain about "blurry" or "fuzzy" text inside Chrome. ZDNet: The blurred font issue isn't only limited to text rendered inside a web page, users said, but also for the text suggestions displayed inside the address bar search drop-down, and Chrome's Developer Tools panel. [...] According to reports, the issue only manifests for Chrome 69 users on Windows. Those who rolled back to Chrome 68 stopped having problems. Users said that changing Chrome, operating system, or screen DPI settings didn't help. "Our team is investigating reports of this behavior. You can find more information in this public bug report," a Google spokesperson said last night after first user complaints started surfacing online. Some users have also expressed concerns over Chrome not showing "trivial subdomains" including www and secure lock sign in the address bar.

71 comments

  1. Whats the deal by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    Whats the deal with the new interface. Looks like we are back to rounded corners again.

    1. Re:Whats the deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the deal with Ovaltine? The jar is round...the mug is round...it should be called 'Round-tine'.

    2. Re:Whats the deal by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      And what's the deal with decaf coffee? How do they get the caffeine out of there, and then where does it go?

    3. Re:Whats the deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why do they put caffeine in coffee and then take it back out?

      And why if Chrome rendering fonts in the first place? That's a job for the operating system.

    4. Re:Whats the deal by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Score: 5, That's gold Jerry, GOLD!

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    5. Re: Whats the deal by spongman · · Score: 1

      dichloromethe (or ethyl acetate) leeching.

  2. So Chrome 69 makes you blind? by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Funny

    The jokes write themselves...

    1. Re:So Chrome 69 makes you blind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Version 69 fonts have all that fuzz, just the way I like them to have. Too clean fonts make my stomach turn a little.

    2. Re:So Chrome 69 makes you blind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm married, so yeah, it is a bit fuzzy the last time I can remember this happening.

    3. Re:So Chrome 69 makes you blind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're aiming for a go at 69 the last thing you want is a face full of anything blurry or fuzzy.

      I guess you asked for it though.

    4. Re:So Chrome 69 makes you blind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The jokes write themselves...

      Looks like Google is looking to de-throne Firefox

  3. Blurry Fonts... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Maybe they need to put on their Google Glass so they can read the fonts clearer.

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    1. Re:Blurry Fonts... by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      They just started to use Cleartype and the fuzzy fonts.

      Both cleartype and fuzzy fonts gives me a headache so I have to use uBlock to revert to the browser default when I run Firefox.

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  4. I bet you by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If these are Windows users they screwed with the Compatibility Mode options for DPI in order to make the window smaller or bigger. It looked fine until Google did something differently and now the Compatibility Mode options make it look blurry. Turns out using options designed for use on legacy applications only on modern applications introduces problems. Lots of Steam users have similar problems.

    1. Re:I bet you by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Wrong. I use the standard DPI settings for the whole screen (1.5x on my 27" 4K screen), which only works with programs that are DPI-aware. It's true that I didn't notice the blurry fonts until I saw the headline, but I really just thought I was that tired (I've only had 69 for about a day). At least for me, it's fairly mild.

    2. Re:I bet you by Solandri · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is there are three ways to tweak the DPI. Compatibility Mode, which can be set on a per-app basis. Display scaling, which is set via the Windows desktop and affects everything. And Advanced Scaling which Microsoft introduced with the Spring Creators Update, which I haven't figured out exactly how it's different from the regular Display Scaling.

      Under the hood, there's also ClearType which runs on top of DPI scaling, and does subpixel rendering (using the individual red, green, and blue subpixels to sharpen fonts). So there's a lot of places other than Compatibility Mode where something could go wrong to cause blurry fonts. My bet would actually be on the new Advanced Scaling options which were added - they're probably doing something which couldn't happen before with Display Scaling was your only option, and which only crops up if you have those two tweaked a certain way.

    3. Re:I bet you by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Looking at some zoomed in screenshots, I think they're scaling the subpixel rendering itself (which should never happen). There is no reason to have red or blue tint on anything but the outermost pixel, but looking at my screenshot close up I'm seeing two side-by-side bluish or reddish pixels.

    4. Re:I bet you by Scoth · · Score: 1

      Even on Chrome 69 on my multi-DPI work setup I have to turn on the DPI scaling compatibility mode/override to not get huge dialog boxes and widgets. It's a bit frustrating to me that a currently supported, modern app would still have problems with that.

    5. Re:I bet you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've had drawing issues ever since they set the flag to tell windows that they will deal with DPI scaling themselves. By default Windows will scale everything for you. And Chrome worked great when using a high-dpi laptop connected to a low-dpi external monitor. Then they flipped that flag without actually implementing the scaling code, and it's been a shit show ever since. Open file dialogs are gigantic. Dev tool's device emulator feature will sometimes scale the page to twice the emulated height and width, so you can only see the top 1/4 of the page. They've been messed up for a long time. And it's all their fault.

    6. Re:I bet you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. I use the standard DPI settings for the whole screen (1.5x on my 27" 4K screen), which only works with programs that are DPI-aware. It's true that I didn't notice the blurry fonts until I saw the headline, but I really just thought I was that tired (I've only had 69 for about a day). At least for me, it's fairly mild.

      I'm willing to bet you don't actually have the problem then, and it just looks "different". To see whether The MAZZTer is actually wrong, try the compatibility mode option for DPI. If it looks significantly worse, he's right. If it looks the same as without he's wrong. Running an experiment with a different set of controls than in the original hypothesis, and declaring the first hypothesis wrong only works for math, and then only certain cases.

    7. Re:I bet you by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If it looks significantly worse, it could also have nothing at all to do with the bug - Chrome is DPI aware and should never have that enabled. Especially since the bug report doesn't have any mention of anything but the system DPI setting.

    8. Re:I bet you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit show is the operative phrase

    9. Re:I bet you by Ingenium13 · · Score: 1

      Nope, I have a Windows VM that's essentially stock that I use for a couple applications. I had Chrome open in it earlier today, and noticed that the fonts were blurry and were giving me a headache after a few minutes of use. I thought maybe it was something with RDP messing it up, but after I read this, I logged in again and verified that the fuzzy fonts are only in Chrome. All other applications are fine.

    10. Re:I bet you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for about a day? only 69? :D

    11. Re:I bet you by omnichad · · Score: 1

      So you like the way I word it (No Giggity).

    12. Re:I bet you by greenwow · · Score: 1

      And most Windows apps. For most of our users on Windows 10, Windows apps have blurry text no matter what settings we try. That really sucks for developers that need to read a lot of text.

    13. Re:I bet you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if it's a Chrome-specific issue, then why do all of the other Windows apps like Outlook and Edge have blurry text?

    14. Re:I bet you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it isn't just a Chrome issue since text is also blurry in Outlook and Word on Windows.

    15. Re: I bet you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With chrome on android the problem has been around for a long time where 3rd party spyware script (ala google tracking pixel type garbage) renders offscreen creating a subpixel rendering flaw that causes the onscreen window text to look blurry. It's probably been introduced to the desktop client as well. /chan

    16. Re:I bet you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm willing to bet he has an extremely high resolution display such that even if "blurry" there is nothing really, majorly wrong with it - or 1.5x, 150% is a scaling factor with a less terrible result.
      First complaint and report of this issue I read was from someone using 110% scaling. Users on 1920x1080 using 110% or 125% might have it worse than users on high dpi with 150% to 200%.

    17. Re: I bet you by spongman · · Score: 1

      They don't?

    18. Re:I bet you by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      At some point you just need to get your developers glasses or fire your IT team.

  5. Google == DEEP SWAMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See here: https://www.real.video/5831345857001

  6. Not new by Tailhook · · Score: 1

    Chrome has been having this problem for certain desktop users for a while now. There are workaround flags and whatnot. Just another chronic quality problem in Chrome that never gets fixed....

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    1. Re:Not new by MidSpeck · · Score: 1

      True. I had to disable "Accelerated 2D canvas" in order to get the fuzziness to go away on mine on Chrome 68, which was working just fine before that.

  7. Problem has been solved already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this a thing in 2018? Rendering fonts is a problem that
    has been solved already - I really want a funny here, but software
    (development) is getting so sad anymore - the people @ Google should
    "google" regression testing - just commenting for a friend, here...

    CAP === 'manifold' <<-- same one I had back on April 22, 2008

    1. Re: Problem has been solved already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is a solved problem. Ever. Regression testing is necessary, and catches a lot of things. But you are naive if you think that just because something worked in a library that has 20 years of cruft in it, that it will still work in a new or updated library that attempts to get rid of bandaids and duct tape.

    2. Re:Problem has been solved already by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      Text wrapping is a "solved" problem, too, but you're still doing it by hand for some reason.

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  8. While they're at it by Pedestrianwolf · · Score: 2

    ..maybe they could also roll back all rounded rectangles they added in v69. Everything is so round it feels like I designed it in my basement.

    1. Re:While they're at it by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Funny

      Chrome has a major UI re-design? Firefox is going to be pulling some late nights to catch up!

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    2. Re:While they're at it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.reddit.com/r/chrome/comments/9dt60q/psa_how_to_unfuck_the_chrome_redesign_missing/

    3. Re:While they're at it by NickDngr · · Score: 1

      ..maybe they could also roll back all rounded rectangles they added in v69. Everything is so round it feels like I designed it in my basement.

      Yeah, it's starting to look like Slashdot.

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  9. Shouldn't be surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google has been fucking up their own code and systems for over 10 years now...

  10. Don't fix what isn't broke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google can't help themselves but make changes for the sake of change. Chrome commands the browser market share, I really didn't think a major facelift was really needed.

    1. Re:Don't fix what isn't broke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The new UI is really ugly. Of course so was the last change that they made to make it more material design compliant. I don't know why Google thinks material design is so great. My Android phone and now my most used desktop app are getting uglier every day.

  11. It's also has performance regressions by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 2

    On my Lenovo G570 the latest chrome also has very high CPU usage on slither.io game and the game turns into a slideshow in places with many snakes. Firefox 61 doesn't suffer from the this problem, despite the fact that its slower almost in any regard. But not this time.

  12. dns and web urls broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they have completely broken what urls should look like and how they resolve. If you go to somedomain.www.mydomain.com it i'll be chopped off to be somedomain.mydomain.com which could be an entirely different record. What idiots do this kind of thing?

  13. BSOD by jimbrooking · · Score: 1

    After installing ALL pages I visit are pure black. No text or graphics.

    1. Re:BSOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep,,, Not working on my TRS-80 either

    2. Re:BSOD by jimbrooking · · Score: 1

      Fix (Win 7 Home): Uninstall Chrome, delete all browsing date. reinstall Chrome, be dazzled by the curviness.

  14. UI Cues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Visual cues to indicate whether or not the window is the active-window, is sooo overrated apparently...

  15. Can someone summarize the linked article? by kaizendojo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I upgraded and I can't read it.

    1. Re:Can someone summarize the linked article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My summary of the article is "If you can read this, you're not using Chrome 69."

      p.s. Paren't won't know the difference, so just mod this up as +1 sightful.

    2. Re:Can someone summarize the linked article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read TFS, and went over to the About page to check my Chrome version, as I didn't seem to have the problem. This instantly triggered the update, and once installed it keeps popping up "Page not responsive" for slashdot, and most other non-Google sites.

      Whether the fonts are blurry or not is the least of the problems with this version it seems.

      I had to start Internet Explorer to get to the Firefox download page, so I could get a sane browser installed again.

      From my brief unsuccessful attempt to use it, the UI reminded me of Flock, the hipster invite-only "Social Browser" from c. 2005.

  16. Invasive overprotectivness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good thing automobile industry evolved before it was all the rage to decide for the users what's best for them, how do drive, where to stop, etc etc. All browsers are going the wrong way of invasive overprotection... how about take a step back and force an "internet drivers license" on everyone instead.

  17. See Jeff Probst ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... about this.

    I remember on Survivor®, back in the day, they had a "blurry tit," problem.

    They fixed that by disallowing exposed tits.

    Google should remove the tits from their fonts.

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  18. trivial subdomain hiding by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

    So this "trivial subdomain hiding" thing... it's a crap idea right?

    1. Re:trivial subdomain hiding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

  19. Fix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found that unchecking the "Use Windows XP Style DPI scaling" box under "Set Custom Text Size (DPI)" on the Display Settings screen fixed the problem.

  20. Here's my take as a Mac user by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    First of all, I really hate these thin fonts. They may look neat on hi-DPI displays but not everyone has one.

    Secondly, the text on the left screen capture looks like it had its pixels hammered to the nearest pixel, which is the typical crappy-looking Microsoft anti-aliasing while the text on the right looks like normal anti-aliased text to me.

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  21. Why not just display a white screen ALL the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is the ultimate 'clean' and 'modern' look, that the asshole 'designers' at Google are longing for, apparently. What a bunch of idiots. I bet none of them are over 25, and haven't a clue how to design a user interface. As for hiding subdomains, this is beyond belief. Stupidity beyond comprehension. For whom do they think they are doing this? Who wants it?
    Chrome is already a piece of shit because it doesn't have a menu bar. Who needs menu bars? Just because they're the most consistent and best interface design element ever made.

  22. Not just in Chrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That Blurry crap goes on in other browsers as well, for example the recent GMAIL interface - Bloated and blurry and you are not able to select text from subject sender etc. in the overview unless you switch to basic HTML and then you loose other functionality..

  23. SHUN JEWgleWare: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.

    Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.

    This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

    Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):

    1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

    2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

    3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen

  24. Re:Why not just display a white screen ALL the tim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On my install that is exactly what they are doing. For a couple of minutes at least, until the "unresponsive page" dialog pops up. Then after another couple of minutes the page eventually loads. I found it easier to download Firefox using IE though, than waiting for all the timeouts using Chrome.

  25. Bad GPU behavior? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a colleague having chrome flash black periodically while redlining the GPU, which was an intel HD internal type GPU. They definitely borked something bad, because I had to turn off acceleration to make his chrome usable.