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'I've Seen the Future of Consumer AI, and it Doesn't Have One' (theregister.co.uk)

Andrew Orlowski of The Register recounts all the gadgets supercharged with AI that he came across at IFA tradeshow last week -- and wonders what value AI brought to the table. He writes: I didn't see a blockchain toothbrush at IFA in Berlin last week, but I'm sure there was one lurking about somewhere. With 30 vast halls to cover, I didn't look too hard for it. But I did see many things almost as tragic that no one could miss -- AI being squeezed into almost every conceivable bit of consumer electronics. But none were convincing. If ever there was a solution looking for a problem, it's ramming AI into gadgets to show of a company's machine learning prowess. For the consumer it adds unreliability, cost and complexity, and the annoyance of being prompted.

[...] Back to LG, which takes 2018's prize for sticking AI into a superfluous gadget. The centrepiece of its AI efforts this year is a robot, ClOi. Put Google Assistant or Alexa on wheels, and you have ClOi. I asked the booth person what exactly ClOi could do to be told "it can take notes for your shopping list." Why wasn't this miracle of the Fourth Industrial Revolution let loose on the LG floor? I wondered -- a question answered by this account of ClOi's debut at CES in January. Clearly things haven't improved much -- this robot buddy was kept indoors.

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  1. Stupid industry fads by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Funny

    3D printer in every home will fundamentally change human society

    IoT internet connected belt buckles and toothbrushes will take over the world

    AI will revolutionize consumer electronics

    Net PC from Sun will dominate the computer industry (this one is really old)

    1. Re:Stupid industry fads by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Excessive hype is always followed by a trough of disillusionment. But as the TOD fades, plenty of mature, practical applications are likely to emerge. The technological naysayers are usually even more wrong than the hypesters.

      Hype cycle

    2. Re:Stupid industry fads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As much as I am a nerd, I blame "nerds" for this. There is this whole new fad of being a "techie", watching Big Bang Theory, owning a Tesla, and generally being absolutely ignorant about real science, technology and math while "pretending" to be a nerd. I used "pretending" but there may be some legitimate attempt but it is hard to tell if someone is a fake nerd or just a stupid nerd. I think this trend partly follows from women trying to follow the (tech) money and then men trying to follow the women.

      This has led to a culture of "techies/nerds" that don't understand one bit how the underlying technology works or how it can be brought to market. All they care about is being able to spew bullshit about how awesomely nerdy they are. Unlike "real" nerds, they have a very shallow understanding of what they are talking about and easily fall for marketing. They totally read that article on self driving cars and they are going to be out net year and totally revolutionize cities and travel. Next, AI will steal all our jobs and we will be unemployed, Google figured it all out yesterday.

      TLDR: Fake nerds need something to talk about and buy to show how nerdy they are. Marketing departments across the world have noticed and capitalized on that to the maximum.

    3. Re:Stupid industry fads by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Excessive hype is always followed by a trough of disillusionment.

      Pro Tip: Get out in front and mention this *before* taking your date home. Better for her to hear it from you than her working it out on her own ... :-)

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    4. Re:Stupid industry fads by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If smart phones and tablets are any indicator ...

      AI, too, is an evolutionary dead end.

      It's a buzz word with a vacuous definition.

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    5. Re:Stupid industry fads by JMJimmy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing no one can consider is time.

      "AI" being jammed into things now is probably lame, awkward, and of very limited use. Much like computers were back in the punch card days with devices that. Less than 100 years later we've got computers in our pocket. We are in the early days of AI - we'll look back on it decades from now as we do with things like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      This article is just another example of someone who can't see past their nose to the road ahead and the million different branching paths this technology could take.

    6. Re:Stupid industry fads by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      In the long term only 1/20 companies really make it.

      Success of a technology is rarely correlated with the success of particular companies. Silicon Valley is littered with plaques marking the graves of semiconductor pioneering companies. Few of them survived. Yet semiconductors have been the greatest technological success since fire was tamed.

      For another example, look at aviation. It took 66 years to go from Kitty Hawk to the Sea of Tranquility. Yet how many airlines made money during those years? Almost none.

    7. Re:Stupid industry fads by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      The "AI," you're referring to doesn't mean what you think it does, because it doesn't exist. Hence, "vacuous."

      The AI I am referring to is precisely what we are calling AI right now. Machine learning algorithms.

      The intelligent part refers to human intelligence. We will never have that because we will not allow for quirks, independence, and insanity, and other aspects of intelligence.

      Sorry but I can't mince my words here. That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The goal of AI is not, has never been, nor ever should be to copy the stupidity and inadequacies of humans. We are not the be all and end all of intelligence. The whole point of offloading this to a machine is to be better than that.

  2. You can stop reading at "Orlowski" by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Andrew Orlowski of The Register is basically a professional dickhead. His main goal seems to be to be as obnoxious and ignorant as possible presumably with the goal of trolling the readership. He's pretty much the reason I stopped reading the Register because of the constant streem of utter bullshit from that guy.

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    1. Re:You can stop reading at "Orlowski" by starless · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And also appears to be climate change denier....
      (at least for some of his Register articles.)

  3. Re:Now With AI! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Gee, I could have sworn we already HAD the AI craze back in the late 80s. Or was it early 90s?

    It was the 1980s. It had faded long before 1990.

    But there was an earlier AI craze in the 1960s, based on perceptrons. That faded by 1970.

    The 1980 AI hype cycle was driven by "expert systems" and "Lisp machines".

    The latest cycle started in 2006 with the publication of the seminal paper on deep learning, and has so far lasted far longer than any previous AI hype cycle.

  4. OP must be joking... by JoeDuncan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... because consumer AI is *ALREADY* ubiquitous and all around us.

    From the face detection in your phone, to the fuzzy logic controllers in washing machines, to the ant colony algorithms being used to route network traffic, to finding directions with google maps, to Netflix and Amazon's recommendation algorithms, to OCR for cheques and mail, to NEST thermostats, to robot vacuum cleaners and lawn mowers, to expert systems in medical diagnosis... (I could keep going)

    AI in consumer products is literally *already* ALL around us.

    Saying that consumer AI "has no future" is like looking around at the world today and saying "personal cars have no future" - it's completely idiotic because to anyone with half an ounce of perception that future is ALREADY here.

    It's like looking at a forest and claiming there are no trees

    1. Re:OP must be joking... by Knuckles · · Score: 2

      When a Roomba hits an obstacle it stops, rotates by an arbitrary amount, and tries again. Repeat until unstuck or timeout. It's hardly intelligence. Intelligence would be to understand what the obstacle is and how to best free itself, much like you are able to leave a bathroom without walking into the wall until you find the hole.

      As for actual "AI" attempts, I booted a fresh OEM install of Windows for the first time 30 years. Cortana showed up and utterly embarrassed herself. I chose English language and German region, which made her talk in both English and German, sometime switching in the middle of the sentence. She used several different voices and once, hilariously, talked with a heavy Slavic accent. Most of the time I couldn't even understand what she was saying.

      (To go on a rant unrelated to Cortana but very much related to Microsoft's human and organizational intelligence, the first boot was hampered by Microsoft's usual information overload, trying to push all kinds of things on you that would better be postponed, like Hello, Microsoft Live account, etc. Followed after login by an uncoordinated avalanche of pop ups regarding Microsoft services and Windows configs, OEM vendor services and apps, and nagware, all of which certain to confuse the hell out of a casual user. Then the Recovery Drive creation failed without any helpful error message, requiring a trip to Google. Found a thousand MS support threads repeating the same necessary command lines to fix them, which reported "no problems found" but afterwards it worked anyway. Then it took 3 hours to create and copy the 16 GB-or-so recovery data to an USB 3.0 stick. When I finally got through that and had my recovery drive, I proceeded to install Ubuntu which took the usual 5 clicks and after a few minutes dropped me into a perfect Ubuntu configuration with everything working out of the box including screen rotation and tablet folding sensors.)

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  5. Re:Now With AI! by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    I go way back, too.

    AI had an unambiguous definition that eroded under stress because the industry came to the realization that the "I" part (intelligence) used the human mind as the high bar.

    The second epiphany came when no one could fabricate an AI that would simply refuse to cooperate if Facebook was unreachable.

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  6. Re:More dumb shit ... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    But I do like being able to verbally ask my phone to navigate to a contact, without having to squint at a screen in the sun, and get turn by turn directions. Digital assistants have slipped into a place in my life where they do a few useful things. As time goes on, this set will grow larger.

    But I know: "If it works, it's not AI!" "If it's AI, it won't work!"

  7. Nobody buys something because of AI by Laxator2 · · Score: 2

    I did not see any example where someone says: "I did not buy that product because it lacked AI".

    I did not hear from anyone that they need AI so they are going out of their way to buy it. In its current form AI is good for pattern recognition in some cases, for example, face identification in photos.
    The only customers are corporations with massive collections of personal data to analyze, but not individual consumers.
    I believe AI has been over-hyped and pushed in areas where it is not usable in its current form (like self-driving cars) and we start to see the backlash.

    I've already seen stories saying that the medical diagnoses made by IBM's Watson are just plain wrong. More examples will follow.

  8. Re:AI in a Toaster! by AbRASiON · · Score: 2

    How about slashdot stop being entirely backwards with that shit instead?

  9. Re:Getting concerned myself by sheramil · · Score: 4, Funny

    What the hell does a fridge need a screen for?

    You can connect it to a webcam inside the fridge and see if the light goes out when you close the door.

  10. Re:Now With AI! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I chose not to pursue AI as a career and haven't suffered for that.

    Learning Lisp would not have helped you. Modern AI uses mostly Python based libraries such as Tensorflow and PyTorch. C++ is used for performance critical stuff. Nobody uses Lisp for AI anymore. It was a dead end.