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Giant Trap Is Deployed To Catch Plastic Littering the Pacific Ocean (nytimes.com)

A nonprofit has deployed a multimillion-dollar floating boom designed to corral plastic debris littering the Pacific Ocean (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source). The 2,000-foot-long structure left San Francisco Bay on Saturday. According to The New York Times, Ocean Cleanup "aims to trap up to 150,000 pounds of plastic during the boom's first year at sea." From the report: Within five years, with the creation of dozens more booms, the organization hopes to clean half of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. Over the next several days, the boom will be towed to a site where it will undergo two weeks of testing. If everything goes as planned, the boom will then be brought to the garbage patch, nearly 1,400 miles offshore, where it is expected to arrive by mid-October, said Boyan Slat, 24, the Dutch inventor and entrepreneur who founded Ocean Cleanup.

The cleanup system is supposed to work like this: After the boom detaches from the towing vessel, the current is expected to pull it into the shape of a "U." As it drifts along, propelled by the wind and waves, it should trap plastic "like Pac-Man," the foundation said on its website. The captured plastic would then be transported back to land, sorted and recycled. The boom has an impenetrable skirt that hangs nearly 10 feet below to catch smaller pieces of plastic. The nonprofit said marine life would be able to pass underneath.

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  1. Giant Trap by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 5, Funny

    People For The Ethical Treatment Of Giants will start a protest campaign.

  2. problem should be fought at the source by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most of the plastic in the ocean comes from a handful of rivers. Put the giant trap in the mouths of those rivers, and you'll catch a lot more.

    1. Re:problem should be fought at the source by capedgirardeau · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most of the plastic in the ocean comes from a handful of rivers. Put the giant trap in the mouths of those rivers, and you'll catch a lot more.

      This is actually what most scientists who study the issue suggest. The boom idea in the open ocean has been tried and found seriously lacking for almost 30 years at this point.

      Prevention or collection near shore is much more cost effective with a lot fewer of the negative impacts on sea life. The mid ocean gyres will dissipate on their own if the source of more plastics is reduced or eliminated.

      This revived idea has been criticized since the kid first proposed it 5 years ago and he does not seemed to have learned anything and is much more concerned with promoting himself than actually having a real impact on the problem.

      http://www.deepseanews.com/201...
      http://www.deepseanews.com/201...
      http://www.deepseanews.com/201...

      And actual research on where the best place to make an impact is:

      http://iopscience.iop.org/arti...

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    2. Re:problem should be fought at the source by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      And in phase 3, the traps should grind the plastic into slush, dry it, burn it, and use it to fuel themselves.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    3. Re:problem should be fought at the source by DrXym · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I recall watching a BBC documentary about a large town, in Africa IIRC, and people just slung their garbage in the river. Just dumped it all in. Human waste, glass, plastic, metal, everything. And the factories dumped pollutants like dyes and other assorted toxic materials in there too. Consequently the river downstream to this craphole was completely dead and covered floating garbage.

      I don't think there is an easy solution to this. However a good start might be to require countries receiving foreign aid to demonstrate advances in sanitation and pollution control and hold them to it.

    4. Re:problem should be fought at the source by TomBauserman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What they fail to mention is that this was engineered by 15 year old, who is now 24 it took him 9 years to get anybody to listen to him. It was engineered to clean up the garbage patches. Not as a permanent solution to garbage in the ocean.

    5. Re:problem should be fought at the source by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Even if these devices just dried and burned the trash as it’s collected, converting it into atmospheric CO2, we would still be environmentally better off than having it floating in the ocean.

    6. Re:problem should be fought at the source by Zorpheus · · Score: 2

      And this boom takes out just 70 tons of plastic per year and costs multiple millions. Seriously?

    7. Re: problem should be fought at the source by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Agree that indeed lots of plastic enter the ocean from a river but also beach tourism, (cargo) ships, illegal dumping,...

      Of the plastic entering, only 2% comes from North American sources. China/Asia are responsible for the vast majority of plastic in the oceans.

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      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    8. Re:problem should be fought at the source by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      I recall watching a BBC documentary about a large town, in Africa IIRC, and people just slung their garbage in the river. Just dumped it all in. Human waste, glass, plastic, metal, everything. And the factories dumped pollutants like dyes and other assorted toxic materials in there too. Consequently the river downstream to this craphole was completely dead and covered floating garbage.

      al-Jazeera has an article up about a landfill in India. Originally designed to be no more than 20 meters high it is currently 65 meters high and has already killed people in an Idiocracy-style trash landslide. It's really rather mind blowing how things can get into a state like that so quickly.

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    9. Re:problem should be fought at the source by Freischutz · · Score: 2

      Most of the plastic in the ocean comes from a handful of rivers. Put the giant trap in the mouths of those rivers, and you'll catch a lot more.

      Yet the plastic shaming is aimed at the US and Europe.

      Its like looking under a streetlamp for your lost keys when you know you didn't lose them there, but hey, the light's better.

      No it isn't, so stop playing a victim. Article after article and paper after paper points out that sampling has shown that the vast majority of the material in the Pacific garbage patches, for example, is generated by China and about 10 other Asian countries, here the US is in 20th place. Basically he is right, plugging those sources of garbage would solve a huge part of the problem. This does not mean that plastic shaming is misplaced since use-once-and-throw-away plastic packaging is a huge problem, the need to solve it is pretty urgent and there is nothing wrong with pressuring politicos and industry to do that.

    10. Re:problem should be fought at the source by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      There is no pile of garbage twice the size of Texas. There's an area twice the size of Texas that has a relatively high concentration of garbage, but if you're swimming in the middle of it odds are you can't spot a single piece of garbage at any given time. The actual mass of the great pacific garbage patch, according to the article, is a mere 87,000 tons.

      Anyway, the proposal was I believe about 60 booms. The first one is just the test. All unpowered, carried by natural currents, which isn't so bad when you realize that garbage is also unpowered so will generally go to the same places.

      The bigger problems are that this isn't addressing the source rivers and it's only skimming the surface of an ocean that's miles deep.

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    11. Re:problem should be fought at the source by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      It's like asking a millionaire to keep his yard sanitary, even though the homeless guy by the river doesn't. When Europe was impoverished and industrializing it polluted a lot more too.

      Also, a significant fraction of the pollution in the developing world is from the manufacture of products for developed world consumption -- and so altering consumption can still change the market incentives and help that problem.

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    12. Re:problem should be fought at the source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's the second largest state (only Alaska is bigger)

      And if Texas doesn't stop bragging about how big it is, Alaska is going to divide itself in two and thus make Texas into the 3rd biggest state instead of the 2nd.

    13. Re:problem should be fought at the source by N1AK · · Score: 2

      Y'all need to talk to the people that cause the problem, not scream at some guy in Nebraska who probably recycles plastic anyhow.

      The issue with this world view is that unless you have more to offer than talk how exactly do you expect to persuade poorer nations to change? The west got rich while creating massive pollution (and in many cases still pollutes more per person than countries like China). You can talk to them all you like, but they want to get wealthy to and a nation that already got wealthy while polluting telling them they need to do it differently isn't exactly persuasive. Now you could offer financial incentives so that nations that have already done a lot of polluting provide financial aid to help other countries avoid doing the same, but how popular do you think it would be if politicians were talking about giving billions to other nations to fund a decrease in environmental damage? Especially in the current climate where the leader of the biggest polluter per capita is decreasing regulation to protect the environment.

    14. Re:problem should be fought at the source by wonkavader · · Score: 2

      If we can drive drown the price of robotics and drive up (this will happen naturally, unfortunately) the cost of raw materials, that garbage dump will turn into a mine. This really is the key -- monetize the garbage. When you can profit from your trash, you won't throw it in the river, and the developed nations will work to do a good job on recycling it en masse.

      Right now, garbage is not worth enough.

    15. Re:problem should be fought at the source by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      Yes, we would. The greenies would hate it of course. I do have to wonder though if one could figure out a way to make the collection process slightly energy positive, so that in addition to being self-contained ocean cleaners, the surface support vehicles could also become emergency fueling stations.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    16. Re:problem should be fought at the source by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Y'all need to talk to the people that cause the problem, not scream at some guy in Nebraska who probably recycles plastic anyhow.

      The issue with this world view is that unless you have more to offer than talk how exactly do you expect to persuade poorer nations to change?

      I've already addressed this in some other posts, but I'll try to do a listing here.

      One of my ground rules is when working a problem, I insist on working the problem.

      So the problem is that there are ten specific and known rivers that are putting over 90 percent of the plastic that ends up in the pacing and Atlantic Gyres.

      The problem is also that after abrading or other decomposition, the plastic ends up in sea life.

      The answer to the problem is to reduce the amount of plastic that ends up in the ocean.

      The way to do this is to interrupt the waste stream at it's source, not on a different continent.

      Use human factors. Have people make some money to support themselves and their families. These places have people living on the brink, and who will be willing to invest the effort if it helps them feed their families. Might be a helpful way to bootstrap into a higher standard of living.

      Now some people might feel good that they are reducing the amount of plastic by an almost immesurable amount. Does this solve the problem? No it does not.

      Does your shaming solve the problem? It not only does not solve the problem - it puts you on an adversarial collision course with the very people you demand solve the problem. You are worse than worthless.

      But hey, if banning plastic straws allows you to sleep at night as you signal your virtue to the world, then start a paper straw factory, and embrace the trees that you cut down right before the guys with the chain saws fell them.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  3. Developed nations are responsible for this mess by bogaboga · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This may not really help with cleanup but we can at least agree that developed nations are 100% responsible for this plastic mess.

    Sadly, these same nations preach to the developing ones about the "need to protect the environment."

    Huh!!

    1. Re:Developed nations are responsible for this mess by religionofpeas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most of the plastic comes from India and China. I'll let you argue about their development.

    2. Re:Developed nations are responsible for this mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Most of the plastic comes from India and China

      and the so-called developed nations (a) started it and (b) are doing their best to keep it running. Where do you think most of the crap at WalMart is coming from? Exactly.

      That's "exporting pollution".

      Wise up before spewing nonsense.

    3. Re:Developed nations are responsible for this mess by religionofpeas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Where do you think most of the crap at WalMart is coming from? Exactly.

      WalMart is not the one telling the manufacturers to dump their garbage in the rivers.

      Besides, check google images for "plastic garbage rivers", and you'll see that it's a lot of plastic bottles and bags, not manufacturing waste.

    4. Re:Developed nations are responsible for this mess by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      This may not really help with cleanup but we can at least agree that developed nations are 100% responsible for this plastic mess.

      This is as wrong as it gets. Exactly where did you get that idea?

      I know the UN has been putting out a lot of information that is trying to walk a tightrope, but with implied blame being white Usians. But they know exactly where the problem's sources are, And they aren't here.

      Fact is, as much fun as it is to blame everything on us, it takes cognitive dissonance worthy of a senile Fox viewer to blame the problem on who they are trying to blame it on.

      It doesn't fit their racial narrative, because the people doing this are not "white" whatever that is.

      Which is screwed up, because it is a problem of people being disgusting filthy pigs, not a problem of skin pigmentation.

      So if you like, scream at that guy in Nebraska because he's at fault in your world. But don't you dare pick on the people throwing that plastic in rivers they use as a trash dumps.

      Just don't expect any results. He's not the problem.

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  4. Sounds like a good start by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    but with 5 billion new pounds of plastic ending up in the Pacific every year, they're gonna need a whole lot more booms.

    Apparently there is also a large plastic presence in the Atlantic in addition to the East and West Pacific gyres.

    1. Re:Sounds like a good start by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Funny

      but with 5 billion new pounds of plastic ending up in the Pacific every year, they're gonna need a whole lot more booms.

      It will be a booming business.

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  5. Bad At Maths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Eight million tons of plastic is dumped into the Pacific every year, mostly by third-world countries. This floating boom is estimated to collect 150,000lb (68 tons) a year. So to stand still, you'd need 8000000/68 of them, i.e. 117,647 multimillion-dollar floating booms. Let's be generous and say they cost $2m each. That's $235,294,118,000.

    As there are 195 countries in the world, it would be cheaper and far more effective to use that $235bn so that each country in the world runs a $1bn campaign to recycle/replace all plastic. Though considering that most of the plastic comes from just 10 countries...

  6. Sigh by Falconhell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its a drop in the ocean. :(

  7. Lewis Carroll Didditt! ;) by Mnemennth · · Score: 2

    [RANDOM MODE]

    "...If seven maids with seven mops
    Swept it for half a year,
    Do you suppose,' the Walrus said,
    That they could get it clear?'
    I doubt it,' said the Carpenter,
    And shed a bitter tear..."

    [/RANDOM MODE]

    mnem
    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43914/the-walrus-and-the-carpenter-56d222cbc80a9

  8. `Use surface matting algae by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seeding areas of open ocean with nutrients that promote the rapid growth of sutrface algae has been suggested as a way of sequestering atmospheric and ocean-dissolved CO2. The Pacific gyre would already be an ideal place to do this, because nutrient and algae would be held in the gyre by surface circulation, rather than being scattered.

    Suppose we seed with one of the algal species that forms surface mats while it grows, with some closely matched nutrient that promotes temporary explosive growth of it? As it grows, a surface mat would entrain whatever is floating there. When it dies and sinks, it would pull down trash and particles floating near the surface. As a bonus, such a mat would kill and pull down a lot of fish under it - the fish that have been ingesting the plastic micro particles associated with the trash. We don’t want those fish to stay in the food chain.

    We need more technological hubris. It’s the only way to solve the really big problems.

  9. Solve the problems that can be solved by sjbe · · Score: 2

    I'm more of an environmentalist than most in here, but banning plastic straws in 'Murrica is virtue signalling, and the problem being caused by "white privilege" is about as wrong as you can get.

    Reducing use of plastic straws is nothing more than solving a problem that can be solved. Sure there probably is some virtue signalling and other stuff too but that doesn't mean it isn't a problem or that we shouldn't bother. Nobody who knows what they are talking about is claiming it is the biggest source of plastic pollution. It's a relatively small part of the problem but if we can mitigate that waste stream then we damn well should. Plastic straws are merely low hanging fruit so pick it while we can.

    1. Re:Solve the problems that can be solved by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Reducing use of plastic straws is nothing more than solving a problem that can be solved.

      Explain how the US banning plastic straws solves the problem of Africa and China polluting the ocean with their plastic?

      As much as I think about it, it just doesn't.

      Sure there probably is some virtue signalling and other stuff too but that doesn't mean it isn't a problem or that we shouldn't bother.

      I'd be all in favor of making posession and use of plastic straws a crime if I owned a facility that makes paper straws. Then again - why do we not ban straws altogether? Less trees cut down you know. You do care about the trees dont you?

      Nobody who knows what they are talking about is claiming it is the biggest source of plastic pollution.

      The problem isn't people who know what they are talking about. The problem is the cynical manipulation of people who have been trained to think that they are inherently evil because 'Murrica, and that if they only do something or another they will be saving the planet. So strange the streak of Calvinism in some modern folk.

      The only result of banning plastic straws will be increased demand and profit for paper straw makers, more trees cut to make the paper straws, and people who feel good about themselves.

      It's a relatively small part of the problem but if we can mitigate that waste stream then we damn well should. Plastic straws are merely low hanging fruit so pick it while we can.

      So you don't really care about actually solving the problem do you? Trying to solve the problems of plastic in the ocean by banning something that won't end up there is something that makes no sense at all to me.

      I get UN alerts about this issue, and rather than banning plastic straws that won't make a bit of difference, if I were on the project, I would try to use methods that attempt to stop the waste plastic flow where it is. They have had a few efforts that work the problem at the source, but too much is spent on making people who aren't the problem feel oh so good about themselves

      Okay, we have China and Africa. We know the specific rivers. In order of pollution: Yangtze River, Indus River, Yellow River, Hai River, Nile River, The Ganges, Pearl River, Heilong River, Niger River, Mekong River. The top ten, responsible for over 90 percent of the problem.

      So here in the US (I didn't notice any US rivers on that list, did you?) banning plastic straws will make effectively no impact at all on the problem.

      People in those specific places must learn about recycling. Shaming might help with the Chinese - almost certainly better than the 'Murrican shaming at any rate.

      Africa is a different subject altogether. Here's a partial solution. UN sets up plastic recycling plants near the ocean outlet of the rivers. Then we have the labor source. In Egypt, one Christian sect - the Coptics, have a tradition of scavenging at landfills.

      Pay them for plastic retrieved from the rivers. Jump start it with UN money, or perhaps even donations from people here in 'Murrica. Start there.

      I suspect that after China becomes the undisputed main source of plastic pollution, and with a constant reminder of that, they might decide that they too want to clean up their act.

      Regardless, it is an attempt to actually address the problem, not make people feel good about themselves.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  10. Will never catch micro or nano scale plastics by La+Gris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tiny fragments of plastics are not going to be caught by such floating device.
    The big chunks of plastic visible at the surface are only a fraction of the amount of plastic in the ocean.
    The tiny bits of plastic are ingested by sea life and pollute all the food chain.
    I know no solution for this other than stop using oil based plastics as disposable material entirely. But this device is not going to solve anything. At best it will hides the issue if it can remove the large and visible plastic chunks.

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  11. Re:Strawman argument (pun intended) by arth1 · · Score: 2

    No, it's actually a smart plan. Start with biggest polluters that can be removed for the smallest cost.

    That's linear thinking. Measures can be done in parallel; there's no need to not do A because B is more important.

  12. False dilemma by sjbe · · Score: 2

    No, it's actually a smart plan. Start with biggest polluters that can be removed for the smallest cost.

    Wow, where to start...

    1) There is no resource constraint here necessitating a particular order of action. We have the money and manpower to address multiple waste streams at the same time.
    2) There is no reason to delay mitigate a small waste stream merely because it is (relatively) small if we have the ability to mitigate it (which we do)
    3) The biggest sources of plastic pollution will almost certainly take much longer to address so delaying action on the smaller ones is foolish
    4) You're line of thinking is a classic false dilemma fallacy.