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A Look at the Dark Side of the Lives of Some Prominent YouTubers, Who Are Increasingly Saying They're Stressed, Depressed, Lonely, and Exhausted (theguardian.com)

Many YouTubers are finding themselves stressed, lonely and exhausted. The Guardian: For years, YouTubers have believed that they are loved most by their audience when they project a chirpy, grateful image. But what happens when the mask slips? This year there has been a wave of videos by prominent YouTubers talking about their burnout, chronic fatigue and depression. "This is all I ever wanted," said Elle Mills, a 20-year-old Filipino-Canadian YouTuber in a (monetised) video entitled Burnt Out At 19, posted in May. "And why the fuck am I so unfucking unhappy? It doesn't make any sense. You know what I mean? Because, like, this is literally my fucking dream. And I'm fucking so un-fucking-happy."

[...] The anxieties are tied up with the relentless nature of their work. Tyler Blevins, AKA Ninja, makes an estimated $500,000 every month via live broadcasts of him playing the video game Fortnite on Twitch, a service for livestreaming video games that is owned by Amazon. Most of Blevins' revenue comes from Twitch subscribers or viewers who provide one-off donations (often in the hope that he will thank them by name "on air"). Blevins recently took to Twitter to complain that he didn't feel he could stop streaming. "Wanna know the struggles of streaming over other jobs?" he wrote, perhaps ill-advisedly for someone with such a stratospheric income. "I left for less than 48 hours and lost 40,000 subscribers on Twitch. I'll be back today... grinding again." There was little sympathy on Twitter for the millionaire. But the pressure he described is felt at every level of success, from the titans of the content landscape all the way down to the people with channels with just a few thousand subscribers, all of whom feel they must be constantly creating, always available and responding to their fans.

"Constant releases build audience loyalty," says Austin Hourigan, who runs ShoddyCast, a YouTube channel with 1.2 million subscribers. "The more loyalty you build, the more likely your viewers are to come back, which gives you the closest thing to a financial safety net in what is otherwise a capricious space." When a YouTuber passes the 1 million subscribers mark, they are presented with a gold plaque to mark the event. Many of these plaques can be seen on shelves and walls in the background of presenters' rooms. In this way, the size of viewership and quantity of uploads become the main markers of value.

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  1. No sympathy by mschuyler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You realize how much money a YouTuber with 1 million subscribers makes? It is mind boggling. Yeah, more than IT. Sure, it's "stressful" because you have to film, edit, and upload. Poor babies. Then there's all the "merch" to sell. It's just like a real business! I say, good for you. You did it. Now stop whining, you dumb fuck.

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    1. Re:No sympathy by Quirkz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Eh, I've got *some* sympathy. I mean, I'd still trade places with most of them if I could. But every job and every life has problems. Even if they seem minor to others, the human mind is a problem-seeking machine, and it will dig up issues if it's not seeing enough. A little mindful practice might go a long way for some of these folks, but it's also just a fundamental part of life.

      Other things that *might* help, not just here, but everywhere:
      - setting realistic goals and being satisfied with them
      - figuring out how you want to define success for yourself
      - putting effort into time management and efficiency
      - figuring out how to take time off without having it become a mess
      - knowing when to stop entirely or move on
      - learn as much as possible about investing and living reasonably, maybe even frugally, for your income, so that taking a break or moving on becomes an easier choice
      - cultivating interests and activities outside of the primary job
      - getting adequate rest and addressing other health issues

    2. Re:No sympathy by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      These are people in their late teens and early 20s... not really known for having a sense of perspective.

      And, if that isn't enough, these folks are going to skew strongly towards the narcissistic end of the spectrum. What they're experiencing is all that matters.

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    3. Re:No sympathy by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Eh, I've got *some* sympathy.

      No sympathy for YouTubers with this problem. If you're making a mint posting videos on YouTube, the solution is simple: Hire people to help you make the videos. Yeah it means you won't get to keep as much of that YouTube revenue. But we're talking like a 20% decrease in marginal income (i.e. you still get to keep 80%) for a 500% increase in quality of life (5x as many free hours because the people you've hired are editing the videos, maintaining the equipment, etc. instead of you).

      I can kinda sympathize with the guy in TFA because he's streaming, so he kinda has to play every day to keep his revenue stream up. But (1) he makes more in 6 months than the average American makes in a lifetime. So he could quit and retire after a year, and still be ahead of the pack if he's smart about saving and investing. And (2) he needs to evaluate if live-streaming as he plays a game for 8 hours/day is more stressful than working a regular job for 8 hours/day. I would wager he'd find holding a regular job more stressful, and he's only complaining because he's incorrectly comparing making money via streaming to making money while doing nothing.

    4. Re:No sympathy by DCFusor · · Score: 2

      "if you're making a mint" are the key words. Most are just struggling along not making rent which many somehow think they're entitled to. Or like me, not monetizing, so I don't get to play the angst game - and don't care. I'm just glad google is willing to store and stream my bits, more or less free, under what we know are the conditions - they have all my info anyway.

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  2. Zero sympathy is right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're making 500k a month. Suck it up. Bank that money for a bit. Quit. And go enjoy a nice life off the properly invested money.

    Jesus. What whiners.

    1. Re:Zero sympathy is right by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My perspective would be "I don't like doing this, but I'm making a mint, so I'm going to just keep doing it for as long as I can stand it and then retire on the tens of millions of dollars that I banked."

      I think the idea of "I can just quit and retire in luxury any time I want" would help a lot with dealing with the stress of doing a job that I didn't like... And playing Fortnite on Twitch every day isn't exactly a soul crushing job.

    2. Re:Zero sympathy is right by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      About a decade ago it actually occurred to researchers to try to measure the marginal hedonic value of income at various levels. What they found is that the marginal value of individual income is essentially nil beyond $75,000 (at the time).

      So why do people sacrifice so much for a big income? Well, it should come as a surprise to nobody that people are crap at figuring out what will make them happy. At above a minimum threshold for comfort and security lies a hedonic treadmill, because it's not about your needs, which are finite, but your wants, which expand to consume all available resources.

      So there's nothing particularly surprising about someone making $200,000, a million or even a billion dollars being unhappy. In part this is the human condition; happiness as an emotion exists to motivate us by its absence. The one factor that does affect our baseline happiness is the strength of our social connections, but for some reason social media doesn't seem to count.

      Performing antics for the amusement YouTube randos probably doesn't count as enriching your social network.

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    3. Re: Zero sympathy is right by cs668 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think sometimes it's hard when you peak so young, you don't know what to do next because whatever it is will probably not be as successful.

  3. Who isn't? by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you earn in a month 6 times more than what professionals in other industries earn in a year, how about just quit after a few months? Learn some financial managment (ie, don't spend more than you have) and be set for life.

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    1. Re:Who isn't? by subk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I tell you what, they had better be saving that money! Cause you can only be king-ding-a-ling in the gamer community for so long. Once someone else's shit sparkles more than yours, the herd is off to munch on new grass.

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    2. Re:Who isn't? by Koby77 · · Score: 2

      It sounds like these Youtube stars are being put into a situation similar to a movie celebrity or a sports athlete. Their most profitable time will likely be measured in months. It probably won't last past 5 years. My advice to them would be, 1.) Quit your day job and make as much money as possible now, because you will probably never do it again in your lifetime, 2.) As mentioned above, get a financial planner who can spread that money out over a lifetime of stability, and 3.) If you feel stressed out because you're making a ton of money, but you can't quit because you'll lose all your viewers, too bad. This is the market trying to tell you something. Apparently there's plenty of "starving artists" willing to step up and take your spot if your content drops off.

    3. Re:Who isn't? by Koby77 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And after thinking about it for a little while, if you are truly some kind of Youtube star making $50k per month, that's $600k per year, and people earning far lower salaries have assistants. So 4.) Hire workers to take the burden off of you. Hire that video editor for $15k per month = $360k per year = nothing to sneeze at even in California. You'll probably be a lot less burnt-out if you have the other stuff handled by someone else. Would it be nice to keep all the money for yourself? Sure. But it you don't get burnt-out and you can keep your dream job for longer, while still making a ton of money, it could be a nice balance for you.

    4. Re:Who isn't? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you earn in a month 6 times more than what professionals in other industries earn in a year, how about just quit after a few months? Learn some financial managment (ie, don't spend more than you have) and be set for life.

      So.... you think he can work for two months, disappear for ten months and pick up where he left off? He took a weekend off and lost more subscribers than most people will ever have in total. For celebrities followers are their career, they accumulate them slowly and lose them quickly. And the money is always in the future, a million subscribers is not money in the bank it's the potential to make more money tomorrow. I can talk to my boss and take an unpaid day off with little problem, no work and no pay but I'll be back earning the same the day after. He takes a weekend off and on a $500k income then if 4% of his fan base permanently leaves that is $20k/year lost. And maybe you can say boo hoo you'll only have $480k/year, but I can understand how that seems like a helluva expensive break.

      Maybe a useful comparison is an athlete, your body is your accumulated capital - you train and train to make it fit, if you say fuck it today I'll be a couch potato, eat junk food and go on a bender you're not just taking a day off - you're seriously damaging your chances to win any gold medals. It doesn't matter if you have a bad day and isn't very motivated right now, you have to remind yourself how hard you've worked to get here, the goal you're reaching for and kick yourself behind. Even if you're a very successful athlete and you make lots of money and whatever... god, I'd go nuts from the grind. And that's celebrities too, unless you want to commit career suicide you got to stay in the spotlight. You have to please the fans. Even on the days you'd like to just get away from everyone and everything.

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  4. They're complaining they still have to work by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tyler Blevins, AKA Ninja, makes an estimated $500,000 every month via live broadcasts of him playing the video game Fortnite on Twitch, a service for livestreaming video games that is owned by Amazon. Most of Blevins' revenue comes from Twitch subscribers or viewers who provide one-off donations (often in the hope that he will thank them by name "on air"). Blevins recently took to Twitter to complain that he didn't feel he could stop streaming. "Wanna know the struggles of streaming over other jobs?" he wrote, perhaps ill-advisedly for someone with such a stratospheric income. "I left for less than 48 hours and lost 40,000 subscribers on Twitch. I'll be back today... grinding again."

    So in essence he's complaining he has to work every day to earn his high salary. What did he think, that he could just stop working and continue to get paid to do nothing?

  5. Need help, maybe? by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does he really do it all himself? Seriously, hire a team and cut the stress level by a huge margin.

    1. Re:Need help, maybe? by guruevi · · Score: 2

      In most cases there's also editing for YouTube, promotion, reading or filtering e-mails/messages. Lights, camera and audio setup, depending on your environment, you may also need noise and echo reduction for it to look semi-professional or in some cases even be audible. Most streamers overlay messages or ads onto the video, so that takes some time to do and rework every so often. You also need a computer that runs optimally at all times, often more than one (one to play games, one to transcode the data into a stream and overlay messages)

      There is a lot that comes with production of even streams and videos, hence the complaint, but at that point, you're running a business, most "good AND popular" channels aren't complaining but also have a production crew of 5-10 people.

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  6. I know why they're unhappy. by stevent1965 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're unhappy because they've chosen an extremely shallow and meaningless avocation and have mistaken it for meaningful achievement and lasting contribution to the greater good. They're unhappy because they're beginning to realize the complete futility and meaningless of what they're doing with their lives. They're the modern, digital equivalent of 30-year-old hockey scores. No one will care or even know about them two or three years from now and they'll be left pondering how and why they've wasted some of the prime years of their lives. I hope they're saving whatever money they're making so they at least have a nest egg to finance something meaningful that will make them happy.

  7. Oh ick. by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

    For years, YouTubers have believed that they are loved most by their audience when they project a chirpy, grateful image.

    ok, let me stop you there.

    "youtubers" as a specific genre or style of presentation and platform is way more narrow than "people posting to youtube". I'm not saying you're wrong, but let's be clear on what we're talking about. This is a specific "cultural trend", like how all air traffic controllers are trying to sound like that one NASA employee in Houston they heard announcing the countdown for Apollo. Or how drill sergeants all wish they were Gunny (RIP). Or how all Slashdotters are neckbeards.

    But I get you. "youtubers" as a genre. The sort of stuff you see Youtube recommend when you go there without a history. The "common denominator". And personally? FUCK THAT NOISE. It is the most banal and fake shit I can imagine and it grates on my nerves whenever I hear it. If the talking heads are sad about having to maintain a fake personality, WELCOME TO TELEVISION. It's a job. In other news, Keisha isn't really drunk 24/7, CNN reporters aren't staring into the void with half-dead eyes outside of work, and that cure girl working retail isn't actually that happy to see you.

    a 20-year-old Filipino-Canadian YouTuber in a (monetised) video entitled Burnt Out At 19, posted in May. "And why the fuck am I so unfucking unhappy? It doesn't make any sense. You know what I mean? Because, like, this is literally my fucking dream. And I'm fucking so un-fucking-happy."

    ....Really? Wow. Ok, this is so over the top it must be a hit-piece by an old codger at the Guardian. I guess giving people reasons to hate millenials pays?

  8. Whining is part of the job by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 2

    I don't think I've heard of a "celebrity" that doesn't whine. The whinier, the celebritier.

    1. Re:Whining is part of the job by war4peace · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Morgan Freeman.

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    2. Re:Whining is part of the job by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think that's just because it's impossible to whine with his voice. If he tries, everything just sounds too majestic and he can't finish. At best, he can make what sounds like a well reasoned complaint, but no one will interpret it as whining.

  9. Sympathy for those trying to make a living, but by Phil+Urich · · Score: 2

    not for those making a killing. There are tons of people creating great videos (or other works) out there on the internet that are just trying, and often failing, to make a living from it; those people I have a lot of sympathy for. People like the two guys behind Cool Ghosts, who amongst other things have put out perhaps the best video game review 'TV' episodes of all time.

    By contrast, people that are making enough they could easily retire and live an extremely comfortable life for the rest of their days? Those I don't have sympathy for. They aren't actually stuck in any real rut, and their artistic output tends to be a lot less laudable anyways.

    It's an age-old problem and dichotomy. It brings to mind the song "Coup D'etat" by Sleepless Nights, about the music industry:

    Who killed Sam The Record Man?
    Music fans with blood-stained hands
    "God damn, Celine sold less Greatest Hits this year"
    The only hearts that beat close to mind
    Are the casualties of the retail line
    Part time artists, Scraping bottom and barely getting by

    Brace yourselves, here comes the Coup D'Etat
    There goes the old dead world
    Rebuild, rebuild, rebuild, rebuild, now
    Brace yourselves, here comes the shakeup shift
    Golf carts are crashing hard
    And I could really give a shit

    For old Gene Simmons and tin-can Lars
    Need their hands on my money like a hole in the heart
    Art needs to suffer, not drive expensive cars
    Aluminum and plastic, and more plastic still
    Making mountains of ephemera in the county landfill
    I remember when rare sound wasn't just a ratio kill

    Brace yourselves, here comes the Coup D'Etat . . .

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  10. sympathy by Tom · · Score: 2

    There was little sympathy on Twitter for the millionaire.

    This. Fucking arseholes. You think such an income comes for free? You think regular people who do actual work for their money don't get stressed? People who earn your money in a year have higher job demands, so STFU.

    Most of the "YouTubers" that I've had any exposure to (thankfully, very few) don't know how to do anything else and have never held an actual job for any length of time. They don't have any idea what life outside YouTube looks like. Most people who have had an actual career understand very well that higher salaries come with higher demands and very often with higher stress levels. We can easily extrapolate and understand that we could probably earn twice as much as we do now, and what the cost would be.

    I've been a CEO in my life. I honestly don't want again. I prefer having a life, thank you. I'm more happy now, and trying to get rid of the last remnants from that time, the last requests and demands.

    YouTubers, from what I understand, are similar to musicians or actors. Most of them have little audience and very small incomes, but a relatively low number of stars goes through the roof. It's a steep curve with a small tip. So your choice is to be on top or not, there's not much of a middle where you can be comfortable with acceptable stress level and income.

    But you know what? That's a choice you made. Give me half a million a month and I'll be happy to work my arse off 24 hours a day seven days a week for a year, invest most of the profit nicely, then retire back to my current job, but live at a higher comfort level because my house is paid off and I still have a few millions in a nice portfolio that gives me a really nice passive income.

    Oh yeah, I forgot. I have an actual profession that I can go back to. Poor YouTuber. Maybe spend your money on learning something? That's what smart pro-athletes do, who understand the most clearly that they can't be a soccer player or runner or jumper for many years.

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