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Apple Discontinues iPhone X, No Longer Sells iPhones With Headphone Jacks (theverge.com)

Apple just killed the iPhone's headphone jack for good. Not only is the company no longer selling iPhones with headphone jacks, as they've removed the iPhone SE and 6s from their website, but they're no longer including a Lightning to 3.5mm headphone jack adapter with the purchase of a new 2018 iPhone. The Verge also reports that the company is discontinuing the iPhone X with the introduction of its three new iPhones today. From the report: With the iPhone XS starting at a price of $999, and the addition of the cheaper $749 iPhone XR announced today, the iPhone X has become redundant. [...] There's no longer a good reason to shell out for the more expensive iPhone X, except maybe the exclusivity of owning a phone that was ushered in with the 10th anniversary of the original iPhone. It was the first to introduce the now-ubiquitous notch that's influenced the entire mobile industry with a wave of copycat designs, and the first iPhone with Face ID. It introduced intuitive gesture controls and with the phone came wireless charging, plus AirPods.

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  1. Distortion field activated. by msauve · · Score: 5, Informative

    "It was the first to introduce the now-ubiquitous notch that's influenced the entire mobile industry"

    No, the first phone with a notch was the Sharp Aquos S2, followed by the Essential phone. Both before Apple.

    Not that introducing that butt-ugly "feature" is worth any sort of bragging rights.

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    1. Re:Distortion field activated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its the verge. An apple ass-sucking web site. So of course apple invents everything.

    2. Re:Distortion field activated. by Kurrelgyre · · Score: 1

      It is when you manage to eliminate the "chin" at the bottom, which pretty much no one else manages to do.

    3. Re:Distortion field activated. by msauve · · Score: 1

      What phone has a notch at the bottom? And, I'd much rather have stereo front facing speakers with a chin and no notch, than an edge-to-edge display.

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    4. Re:Distortion field activated. by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 3, Informative

      For some reason said 'chin' is considered objectionable.

      Not that 'the rest of us' have been able to figure out why.

    5. Re:Distortion field activated. by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      No wonder people call it iVerge.

    6. Re:Distortion field activated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being edge to edge IS the big feature, the most possible display space in the smallest housing, and the notch is a necessary concession to everything else that has to be on the front. At least for Apple. For everyone else that can't get the display all the way out to every other side, it is dumb and worth ridiculing.

    7. Re:Distortion field activated. by Kurrelgyre · · Score: 1

      It's mimicking the appearance of something that's only present as a tradeoff on the iPhones, but without giving the users of their phones everything else in exchange. The notch is there because those things have to be on the front. It contains sensors and the speaker/earpiece. What's the chin other than a pointless waste of space when they've already carved out display space for their own notch?

    8. Re:Distortion field activated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > the notch increased sales
      Please, continue your gargling.

    9. Re:Distortion field activated. by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple rarely introduces new features, but they do tend to popularize or polish them. They certainly made everyone else think it was okay to get on the front-face fugly-bump train.

    10. Re:Distortion field activated. by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 4, Informative

      What phone has a notch at the bottom? And, I'd much rather have stereo front facing speakers with a chin and no notch, than an edge-to-edge display.

      But without an edge-to-edge display, it will be much harder for you to accidentally drop your new $1000+ toy while trying to hold it by its tiny little edges! While you're trying not to cause it inadvertently to respond to you touching the screen and accidentally working some control or another, stopping a video, opening or closing an app without meaning to, etc.?

      And without users constantly dropping and instantly breaking them, how will Apple be able to afford to buy Amazon.com, in order to become "Applezon" the world's first 2-trillion dollar company?!?

      If Apple applies these same ideas to their cars, (if/when they ever shit out any such automotive abomination,) they'll stick the gas and brake pedals on the outside, so the foot-well in front of you has a neat, clean, and uncluttered appearance!

      Then they'll stop selling them with steering columns, because they've just absorbed a company that makes bluetooth steering wheels, and they'll be damned if they're going to INCLUDE one of those for free when people are dumb enough to pay for them! There's customers to be fleeced, damnit!

      In the shareholder meeting, I wonder if they run things a LOT like their public-facing product announcements.

      "The new iPhone X(R) has an edge-to-edge display that will allow us to part gullible fools from their money 117% more quickly, and efficiently than EVER before!"

      (Shareholders applaud dutifully.)

      "The Buzz-Word Bullshit Salad that is the A12 "Bionic" Chip (which has nothing whatsoever to do with life so it's a really stupid name,) enables us to convince people with a perfectly good iPhone that is only a year or two old, to fork over another thousand dollars between 12 and 18 months BEFORE they were expected to do so!"

      (More dutiful applause.)

      "Upcharging by terminating the policy of including an adapter dongle will allow us to convince between 11 and 23 percent of potential suckers to buy our overpriced Beats Headphones, or even more premium-priced AirPods increasing the value of your iNvestment by up to a total of 37.8% over the next 2 to 3 fiscal quarters!"

      (Delighted whoops and cheers.)

      I'm getting soo sick of Apple.

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    11. Re:Distortion field activated. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They may be the first not to include a headphone dongle in the box.

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    12. Re: Distortion field activated. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Not that I disagree with most of your points but the reason I'm sticking with my iPhone 6s is that Apple still provides updates for it after 3 years (and are still providing updates to the 5s after 5). Their stupid design decisions have put me off buying anything newer however but I don't see any Android manufacturers having that kind of length of update.

      I know about LineageOS but I think it's a bit shit having to rely on volunteer enthusiasts to keep a perfectly good phone updated with new functionality and security fixes. Android manufacturers like Samsung have shown that they give even less of a shit about their customers than Apple.

    13. Re:Distortion field activated. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I am an iPhone user and the notch is not a feature!
      It is an engineering trade off. Apple designers if they had their way would not have a notch but make it full screen. But there is some technology they need to put on top to make it a phone and take selfies. So the notch was a trade off just to maximize screen size. Because for the most part the title info on the screen is white space anyways.

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    14. Re:Distortion field activated. by Bongo · · Score: 1

      Very true. It is a design compromise.

      And then, as designers, they also seem to be using the notch as an identifier so you can recognise an iPhone. Which is, I guess, why it then gets copied.

      I wonder how much time they spent trying to shape the notch, to find the least annoying shape. There’s probably a lot of pictures of plants and curves and women on their design boards.

    15. Re: Distortion field activated. by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      I get updates from the Google Play Store all the time. Including updates to critical Android subsystem components. The only difference is that with Android, your updates are more granular. People with a cellphone 6 years old get the latest updated version of Chrome, Maps, etc.

      If you like monolithic updates once each sales-cycle (year) go for Apple.

    16. Re:Distortion field activated. by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      The 'chin' is an ergonomic zone. A place for the physical home and back buttons. It's about usability, not appearance.

    17. Re:Distortion field activated. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I expect a lot of their designs would look a lot like many of the Android phones with legitimate (meaning they are just not black display on the screen) notches as well. Probably making it too thin, where it just made it seem off kilter, a corner notch making it look like someone took a bite out if it.

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    18. Re:Distortion field activated. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yes well if Tim Cook went outside and took a shit in the middle of the street you can bet your arse the hords of Apple fans would run out and do the same. Popularized, and yet still somehow copied the process from someone's dog.

    19. Re: Distortion field activated. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Of course you get kernel and OS updates from Google Play. Do me a favour.

    20. Re:Distortion field activated. by jwhyche · · Score: 1

      Why include it when they can sell it to you for $125 bucks?

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    21. Re: Distortion field activated. by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Not necessary. The Apps are sandboxed away from the kernel and OS.

      Obviously it isn't perfect. It no better or worse, just different, from the Apple update scheme.

    22. Re: Distortion field activated. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Being stuck on an old version of Android with unpatched security flaws is better than being on the latest version of iOS (which is updated much more regularly than once a year)? Of course it is. There's nothing wrong with Android but the ecosystem sucks.

  2. Apple's Recent Choices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was just commenting recently about poor choices Apple's making in design.

    The lack of headphone jack has me seriously considering going back to Android for my next phone. I use 'em far too often.

    Can I gripe about the AppleTV's absolutely awful remote? It looks slick. The idea of a touch pad is a good one--the implementation just botches it bigtime. The remote is too small, shaped wrong, not ergonomic, made of materials such that it slips easily into sofa cushion cracks, nooks, crannies, and vanishes far too easily.

    And please, I DO NOT LIKE devices I have to PLUG IN to charge periodically in my living room. That's why my media PC has a wireless keyboard with user-replaceable batteries. Sure, a long-life lithium-ion battery can be useful--but when it does need a charge, I don't want to go tether a keyboard or a remote to a cord. Give me user-swappable AAA or AA batteries. I can change them in a blink and be using my device again with zero cable clutter, not even having to think about a wireless charging station's cord clutter.

    The Apple remote activates with a touch when I'm just reaching for or gripping it, not intending to actually navigate or click on anything. Yuck! And the touchpad is so awkward to use with the non-ergonomic remote's shape and feel.

    My Samsung TV's super-simple remote outclasses the Apple TV remote by a million times! It's easy to use, fits my hand very well, is small, but harder to lose, has great feel, and navigation with it is a dream! Well done, Samsung! I use it to control my Apple TV much of the time--with the few exceptions where some menu item, button, or function is unreachable except by using the Apple TV remote.

    Don't get me started on the GUI gaffe's where Apple TV makes doing something 12 times more difficult than it should be. When I want to move to the next episode in a series from a particular screen, when I think it should take 1 to 2 clicks, Apple TV requires a bazillion. Ick! Do the designers actually USE the thing they're designing interfaces for???

    I love my 2013-era retina-display Macbook Pro. I hope it doesn't die soon, because I don't like my replacement choices from Apple. I love MagSafe. I don't want to use USB-C for power, thanks. Return to MagSafe. And keyboard-wise, less-travel isn't preferred, and sensitivity to dust and dirt is a deal-breaker. The strip instead of function keys? I'm mostly okay with that as I only use the ESCape key. THAT one key, however, I NEED and I prefer not to have to remap CAPS LOCK to ESC and re-learn keyboard habits.

    1. Re: Apple's Recent Choices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have Bluetooth earphones and they are a pain - I can't see the charge level and thus don't trust them for going out on a walk but mostly for home exercise.

      Worse, on my last flight I heard the flight attendant announce that Bluetooth headsets are not allowed at all in flight. Good thing I brought the wired!

      Why Apple is doubling down on this seems more bullheaded than intelligent.

    2. Re:Apple's Recent Choices? by Bongo · · Score: 1

      Never before has Apple made such an annoying peripheral as its TV remote.

      Um.

      ***cough***puckmouse***cough***

    3. Re:Apple's Recent Choices? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      Yeah but the next one is going to be thinner....... and transparent!

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    4. Re:Apple's Recent Choices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was just commenting recently about poor choices Apple's making in design.

      The lack of headphone jack has me seriously considering going back to Android for my next phone. I use 'em far too often.

      Can I gripe about the AppleTV's absolutely awful remote? It looks slick. The idea of a touch pad is a good one--the implementation just botches it bigtime. The remote is too small, shaped wrong, not ergonomic, made of materials such that it slips easily into sofa cushion cracks, nooks, crannies, and vanishes far too easily.

      And please, I DO NOT LIKE devices I have to PLUG IN to charge periodically in my living room. That's why my media PC has a wireless keyboard with user-replaceable batteries. Sure, a long-life lithium-ion battery can be useful--but when it does need a charge, I don't want to go tether a keyboard or a remote to a cord. Give me user-swappable AAA or AA batteries. I can change them in a blink and be using my device again with zero cable clutter, not even having to think about a wireless charging station's cord clutter.

      The Apple remote activates with a touch when I'm just reaching for or gripping it, not intending to actually navigate or click on anything. Yuck! And the touchpad is so awkward to use with the non-ergonomic remote's shape and feel.

      My Samsung TV's super-simple remote outclasses the Apple TV remote by a million times! It's easy to use, fits my hand very well, is small, but harder to lose, has great feel, and navigation with it is a dream! Well done, Samsung! I use it to control my Apple TV much of the time--with the few exceptions where some menu item, button, or function is unreachable except by using the Apple TV remote.

      Don't get me started on the GUI gaffe's where Apple TV makes doing something 12 times more difficult than it should be. When I want to move to the next episode in a series from a particular screen, when I think it should take 1 to 2 clicks, Apple TV requires a bazillion. Ick! Do the designers actually USE the thing they're designing interfaces for???

      I love my 2013-era retina-display Macbook Pro. I hope it doesn't die soon, because I don't like my replacement choices from Apple. I love MagSafe. I don't want to use USB-C for power, thanks. Return to MagSafe. And keyboard-wise, less-travel isn't preferred, and sensitivity to dust and dirt is a deal-breaker. The strip instead of function keys? I'm mostly okay with that as I only use the ESCape key. THAT one key, however, I NEED and I prefer not to have to remap CAPS LOCK to ESC and re-learn keyboard habits.

      Then use your Samsung remote to control your AppleTV, assuming you have a recent model. Problem solved.

    5. Re: Apple's Recent Choices? by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      sounds like you have a responsibility problem.

    6. Re: Apple's Recent Choices? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Not being responsible enough to fly his own airplane, where he can use bluetooth during the flight?

  3. Not about headphone jacks by Excelcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple's removal of the 1/8" headphone jack isn't about headphone jacks, nor is it about updating to new technology. It's about control and is just one small front in the war to erode the user controlling their own data. Headphone jacks are completely audio, analog, and offer no form of DRM. They are something Apple can't control once the signal is on the jack. You can do anything with it. Re-digitize it (this isn't the 80's where duping a cassette tape lead to rapid quality degradation), or pipe it to any device. The sound was yours once it got to that jack. Apple really doesn't like that, and they are basically tossing an invite to the entire industry to follow along and start down a more restrictive path. Follow us and you can get in on the action too. Erode what you can do with your audio one tiny tenth of a step at a time.

    If anyone thinks that it's about device jack real estate, upgrading with the times, or innovation, they are hopelessly naive.

    1. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it was all about "Courage".
      The courage to do what other phones had done before.

    2. Re: Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, its about squeezing another $15 out of users because the greedy bastards at Apple know that their fanboyz will just stump up and acclaim the genius of Apple for not including an adaptor in the box.

    3. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How often did you need to record from the headphone jack? Did you realize that you can connect your iPhone via USB or Lightning cable to record its screen and sound using QuickTime Player and get superior video and sound quality?

    4. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple really doesn't like that, and they are basically tossing an invite to the entire industry to follow along and start down a more restrictive path.

      -

      If what you write is true, and it seems like it probably is, all thinking people should never buy Apple products again.

    5. Re: Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing of what you say makes any sense. There is no DRM on music you get from Apple in the first place, so the DRM audio argument is foolish.

      Second, Bluetooth and/or lightning are going to give you way better fidelity than the analog buzzy 3.5mm jack and donâ(TM)t have any DRM built-in.

    6. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet... the Walled Garden has another row or two of bricks. Welcome to DRM v2.0

      https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/12/apple_film_rights/

    7. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are using the word "Apple" when what you mean to say is "RIAA". Apple sells a service which is a broker for music leasing. The only music that they are allowed to broker is the music they have established contracts with. The owners of said music are free to enter into or not enter into these contracts. Since DRM is available, they are pushing it as a stipulation of their agreements. If Apple fails to meet rigid DRM criteria in the near future they will lose those contracts and be unable to offer that music.

      Apple doesn't own this music it's "selling" to you any more than you own it when you buy it. They do a fantastic job of meeting the needs of both creators and consumers to be one of the industry leaders, today. If the balance on their platform tilts one way or another it will be less so, tomorrow.

    8. Re: Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah not me, I've got an iPhone SE because it was fairly cheap and decent quality, my next phone wont be an iPhone though

    9. Re: Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Random bluetooth will sound comparatively bad. Conveniently Apple does have a proprietary wireless audio standard of their own so they have a vested interest regardless of DRM.

    10. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple's removal of the 1/8" headphone jack isn't about headphone jacks, nor is it about updating to new technology. It's about control and is just one small front in the war to erode the user controlling their own data. Headphone jacks are completely audio, analog, and offer no form of DRM. They are something Apple can't control once the signal is on the jack. You can do anything with it. Re-digitize it (this isn't the 80's where duping a cassette tape lead to rapid quality degradation), or pipe it to any device. The sound was yours once it got to that jack. Apple really doesn't like that, and they are basically tossing an invite to the entire industry to follow along and start down a more restrictive path. Follow us and you can get in on the action too. Erode what you can do with your audio one tiny tenth of a step at a time.

      If anyone thinks that it's about device jack real estate, upgrading with the times, or innovation, they are hopelessly naive.

      Oh Christ, nobody gives a crap about music DRM anymore, everything is streamed, it takes no effort to find music legally. These things will output to any Bluetooth audio device, and speakers are the last analog hole that can never close. Just shut up about it already, and stop pretending that playing music in 2018 is hard.

    11. Re: Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >it's foolish to think DRM will ever happen after forcing everyone to the DRM tech

      >bluetooth sounds better

      Oh dear. Decision paralysis preempts my ridicule. Well played.

    12. Re: Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will not buy a so called "smart" phone

      Then it doesn't matter: you were never going to be a customer, so your opinion is irrelevant.

    13. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Powercntrl · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple's removal of the 1/8" headphone jack

      ...is because they bought a headphone company (Beats) and want to sell wireless headphones. That's it.

      The music Apple sells hasn't had DRM for years, and nobody bothers "ripping" ("dubbing" would be the proper term) anything via analog, except for vinyl records. Back in ye olden days when iTunes music did have DRM, people removed the DRM using their computer (remember those things?) - not their phone.

      That being said, Apple is no saint when it comes to DRM. I've had paid apps disappear from my purchase history because Apple pulled 'em, paid apps that died in the 32-bit purge, and I've read of people who've lost movies they'd purchased (I only buy Blu-Rays, so I haven't experienced that one).

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    14. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, no, tandem coding means you ruin your audio. That's fundamental to perceptual audio coding.

      Basically, you're adding noise where humans can't hear it (or can hear almost none of it), at least under ideal listening conditions, so people usually can't or can only barely tell the difference between the compressed version and the original, outside of pathological cases. But if you decode and encode it a second time, you're adding noise that is mostly or entirely audible, because you don't have room left under masking thresholds anymore. The principle that makes perceptual audio coding work so well doesn't work at all when you encode a second time.

      Not that anyone cares much about audio quality . . .

    15. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't doubt that Apple views removing the headphone jack as a good way to control audio streams, but I think their top priority is maintaining crazy financial growth as phone sales continue to slow. I don't think it's coincidence that they bought a popular headphone company right before they removed the headphone jack. Why, it's almost like they created a problem that Beats was perfectly positioned to capitalize on.

    16. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 2

      Apple's removal of the 1/8" headphone jack isn't about headphone jacks, nor is it about updating to new technology. It's about control and is just one small front in the war to erode the user controlling their own data. Headphone jacks are completely audio, analog, and offer no form of DRM. They are something Apple can't control once the signal is on the jack. You can do anything with it. Re-digitize it (this isn't the 80's where duping a cassette tape lead to rapid quality degradation), or pipe it to any device. The sound was yours once it got to that jack. Apple really doesn't like that, and they are basically tossing an invite to the entire industry to follow along and start down a more restrictive path. Follow us and you can get in on the action too. Erode what you can do with your audio one tiny tenth of a step at a time.

      If anyone thinks that it's about device jack real estate, upgrading with the times, or innovation, they are hopelessly naive.

      I completely disagree. The analog hole is still wide-open... until they start insisting that no Bluetooth device can have an analog output... there's no HDCP standard for Bluetooth now, is there?

      On the contrary, I believe their "courage" comes from the fact that they just HAPPEN to have just bought a company that only makes BLUETOOTH HEADPHONES, right before they did that. (Unless I have my iChronology backwards!) Could be coincidence, but I kinda doubt it.

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    17. Re:Not about headphone jacks by blindseer · · Score: 1

      If anyone thinks that it's about device jack real estate, upgrading with the times, or innovation, they are hopelessly naive.

      Well, you certainly stirred up the pot and got people to respond. I may as well join in.

      Let's consider the two sides here. We have you saying Apple is doing this to better enforce DRM, and therefore sell more copies of the same music and DRM encumbered devices. On the other hand we have Apple. I thought for sure that Apple made some kind of statement on why they removed the headphone jack from their phones. A short search of the internet brought me to an interview of someone that claims to be in the know, but I'm not sure the person actually represents Apple in anyway. The person gave four reasons Apple did away with the jack.

      First, the port made it difficult to waterproof. I'll give that this might be pretty lame since other people figured out how to water proof the port. The excuse was not that it made it impossible to keep water out, only more difficult. This alone is not a reason but certainly counts against it.

      Second, they needed the room for more useful stuff. Again, perhaps a lame excuse but still a point against it. Apple wanted to keep the microphone, motion feedback, speaker, Lightning port, and probably other stuff close together on the bottom and it was getting cramped.

      Third, research was showing few people used the port. This may actually be a good excuse. I saw no numbers on usage and, again the person in this interview may not actually have any inside information, but if true then there may simply be a time to get rid of it because so few people care if it's there or not. The interview I read went into more detail about people not liking the cords getting tangled and caught on things but it just came down to people preferring wireless.

      Fourth, and this might be the killer, the 1/8" audio port had no real defined standard on how it should work. There's two different versions of how a 1/8" jack should be wired for sound in and out based on the market. Given that people expect the headphone to also control things like volume, track next/last, and perhaps other functions, it just got hard to comply with the different standards and still keep functions that people demanded. For things like active sound cancelling there also needed to be a means to provide power or the headphones would need their own batteries. Those that used wired headphones tended to use the Lightning port anyway to get power, more buttons, clearer sound, and so on. This is in part a restatement of the people not using the port. With the limited features that they could serve on an old 1/8" non-standard "standard" they couldn't keep people happy with the port anyway. Those that demanded the old 1/8" jack could still get an adapter that matched the wiring used in their location.

      After reading all that it seems far less of some conspiracy theory to hit people up for another $10 on a $1000 phone. I'll admit that personally I've found myself wishing for a separate port for sound out and power in. Not often enough yet to spend much time looking for some kind of adapter. The claim that this is to close the "analog loophole" is quite silly. Finding some way to grab the audio out of an iPhone and feed that into some kind of recording device is quite trivial. Especially given that most any music that one could get on an iPhone is almost certainly available on some other more "hackable" device. This includes the large variety of Bluetooth to 1/8" jack devices out there.

      I'll have to consider the DRM reasons for removing the jack a conspiracy theory. Perhaps you could argue that the DRM enforcement aspects of removing the port is merely another reason but that does not negate the publicly stated reasons for removing the port.

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    18. Re:Not about headphone jacks by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      How often did you need to record from the headphone jack? Did you realize that you can connect your iPhone via USB or Lightning cable to record its screen and sound using QuickTime Player and get superior video and sound quality?

      Quicktime? Blech!

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    19. Re:Not about headphone jacks by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Apple really doesn't like that, and they are basically tossing an invite to the entire industry to follow along and start down a more restrictive path.

      -

      If what you write is true, and it seems like it probably is, all thinking people should never buy Apple products again.

      You're right about that. The only reason to buy apple is if you're style over substance type.

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    20. Re:Not about headphone jacks by c120plus · · Score: 1

      Since you can still record off the headphone adapter or off bluetooth receivers like the creative soundblaster one I have I don't buy that argument. Just look at apple's laptops, they do it because they can get away with removing ports that users really want, because people will complain all day and then still by them. However, bluetooth means that your audio is never perfectly in synch with video, but usually a few frames off. So that may be OK for phone sized screens, but for ipads not so much. So if Ipads go bluetooth only, I may never my a new one again.

    21. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP had terrible logic behind his assertion, but the assertion of Apple wanting control is valid. Apple wanted a boost in money, so they buy the upstart headphone company, remove their 3.5mm jack and make sure their headphone company sells nothing with that jack. They created a problem with their own convenient solution in order to maximize profits. Brilliant business move, but still a dick move.

    22. Re:Not about headphone jacks by wed128 · · Score: 1

      Not that anyone cares much about audio quality . . .

      People that do care about audio quality don't buy music from apple, they buy CDs, SACDs, or vinyl and rip it themselves

    23. Re:Not about headphone jacks by wed128 · · Score: 1

      Beats makes wired headphones too... or did until very recently

    24. Re:Not about headphone jacks by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That is a great conspiracy theory, but:

      eadphone jacks are completely audio, analog, and offer no form of DRM. They are something Apple can't control once the signal is on the jack. You can do anything with it.

      a) they sell the adapters.
      b) they sell devices which connect to devices with analogue audio outputs
      c) they sell headphones.
      c.1) headphones have drivers
      c.1.1) those drivers are line level and are identical in signal to the signals that need to be recorded.
      d) the devices support happily sending high quality audio to other deviecs which have analogue outputs.

      Basically the analogue hole for audio cannot be physically closed in any way shape or form. On top of that there seems to be no attempt to actually close it, lock down the process, or otherwise do anything to meet your conspiracy theory other than remove the jack on the phone.

      People buying the party line may be naive, but you are way off the mark yourself.

    25. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a nice ride with you apple on the mobile and I personally used you from the first iphone was released, fast forward to 2018 and I'm finding myself looking at different approach to computing one the go one that gives user some all/freedom to chose and I'm sorry to say you are not there anymore. Running Sailfish OS for over a two weeks now and I could not be more happy :) On a side note I have my iphone in the backpack without the SIM just in case but from what I see this is not needed anymore.

      there is no spoon

    26. Re:Not about headphone jacks by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      cue nefarious conspiracy theories.....

      The DRM battle is over buddy....Get over it.

    27. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      And if you look at the pricing structures, it's not at all more expensive to buy physical copies. You do have to not life your life as lite as a grasshopper, though.

    28. Re:Not about headphone jacks by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Go to any low-common-denominator retail store like Target or Walmart, though. Try to find a quality pair of wired headphones. I am sure you can special order them from places on the web. They've essentially disappeared in regular retail spaces.

  4. All right then, no more Apple for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I have been what you might call an Apple fanboy since before OS X was introduced.

    But the current so-called leadership at Apple is a bunch of arrogant clueless jerks.

    No more Apple products for me, that's it. I'm not looking forward to switching and having to learn how to use all new stuff, but honestly, the way
    Apple continues to cripple its products makes learning the new hardware seem like the least annoying option.

    God damn you, Steve Jobs, you stupid prick. WHY did you appoint someone as clueless as Tim Cook to lead your company ?

    Where ever you are, Jobs, fuck you.

    I wish I had never bought any Apple products. I feel betrayed. Companies that betray me earn my lasting contempt. You had better believe I am going to tell everyone I know to avoid buying Apple, and within my peer group my opinion carries weight, so Apple just lost more than one customer.

    1. Re:All right then, no more Apple for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck. If only Android/Google offered an attractive alternative.

      Personally, my reservations about the alternatives is the primary reason I have an SE and may buy an XR to replace it. I donâ(TM)t really even care about the headphone jack, iPhones are just increasingly larded with features that I donâ(TM)t want.

        But so far the alternatives are just a expensive and off putting high-end Android phones or mid range Android phones with relatively crap build quality. And they both come with Google BS and the general Android upgrade/malware tire fire.

    2. Re:All right then, no more Apple for me. by Falos · · Score: 1

      Competitors would have been more self-interested if they had the power to get away with it. They will now gladly take advantage of the Stockholm beachhead.

      They were never offering attractively out of good will. Being attractive is at best a secondary objective, obligated to us consumers plebs only because it correlates to their true one.

      New meta. You can't stop it. I can't stop it. Everyone already thinks 5 grams of chocolate is normal. Grab the least shitty choice and try to make peace with the blight.

    3. Re:All right then, no more Apple for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been what you might call an Apple fanboy since before OS X was introduced.

      But the current so-called leadership at Apple is a bunch of arrogant clueless jerks.

      No more Apple products for me, that's it. I'm not looking forward to switching and having to learn how to use all new stuff, but honestly, the way
      Apple continues to cripple its products makes learning the new hardware seem like the least annoying option.

      God damn you, Steve Jobs, you stupid prick. WHY did you appoint someone as clueless as Tim Cook to lead your company ?

      Where ever you are, Jobs, fuck you.

      I wish I had never bought any Apple products. I feel betrayed. Companies that betray me earn my lasting contempt. You had better believe I am going to tell everyone I know to avoid buying Apple, and within my peer group my opinion carries weight, so Apple just lost more than one customer.

      Good choice. I can recommend BlackBerry phones.
      With those you get a smartphone with minijack and qwerty keyboard.
      And since they run Android you can install a gui that looks like ios if you want or you can use the standard gui (BlackBerry uses a stock android gui)

      I felt betrayed by Nokia when they killed of Symbian.

    4. Re:All right then, no more Apple for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but what exactly is the betrayal here?

    5. Re:All right then, no more Apple for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sailfish OS - yes you will need VPN from states but well, its cool os bitchez!

    6. Re:All right then, no more Apple for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BlackBerry WTF?

      "Last year, it was reported by Vice Canada that the RCMP has had backdoor access BBM since at least 2010, and decrypted more than one million messages (BlackBerry eventually responded to the report, saying there was a balance between “doing what’s right, and “preventing government abuse” of privacy)."

      Bitchez

  5. used iphone SE prices to soar by elcor · · Score: 2

    2x Best phone

  6. what if the iPhone was a deaf & blind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they wouldnt have these drm problems if it was more like a rotary phone with a braile pad.

  7. Faggots like Tim Cuck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Faggots like Tim Cuck don't need to see a headphone jack -- it reminds them too much of a vayjayjay.

  8. Jailbroken iPhone 6 here - just got a new battery! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another iphone launch and i still see no reason to DOWNGRADE when i have a HEADPHONE JACK and ROOT on my device and basically the same FORM FACTOR without that ghastly NOTCH. On top of this madness I still have my Iphone 4s as a spare emergency phone and its sill pefectly usable and meets all my needs.

    It really is SAD. Apple didnt listen to us, has totally lost touch in their distortion field. I cant believe i am saying this but my iPhone 6 will be my last idevice after owning every one since the first to the six.

    I am disconnecting more and more and enjoying the offline life. Most days i just leave the house with Dumb SD Card DSD DAP and listen to 5.6mhz DSD vinyl rips through my wired headphones and couldnt be happier.

    Goodbye Apple !

  9. XR will sell very well, I think by Camembert · · Score: 1

    The less expensive XR will be selling a lot, I think. Has the FaceID which many people find cool, a good enough screen, and similar processor power as the flagship models.

    1. Re:XR will sell very well, I think by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      The less expensive XR will be selling a lot, I think.
      Has the FaceID which many people find cool, a good enough screen, and similar processor power as the flagship models.

      I didn't watch the keynote - have they finally fixed FaceID so it works in landscape mode?

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    2. Re:XR will sell very well, I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " have they finally fixed FaceID so it works in landscape mode?"

      Can you rest your head on your shoulder?

    3. Re:XR will sell very well, I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. I have to use yer mom's.

  10. Dongle by JBMcB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Weird. My Wife's headphone-jack-less iPhone came with an analog dongle. It can also still connect to the Bluetooth to analog adapter on our stereo. Why would they allow this?

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    1. Re:Dongle by Excelcia · · Score: 2

      They originally came with an analog dongle as a transition. You don't assert control overnight. The first step is always to remove the technology they can't possibly control in favour of technologies they can control. But in that first step, you can't go all the way to "you will only use our equipment and nothing else", or else no one will adopt the new system. So, as I said, it's one half step at a time.

      New phones don't come with an adapter any more. And it is completely Apple's discretion as to when and if adapters will even work. As far as bluetooth goes, that is also completely at their discretion. An update can cause your phone to cease to work with any bluetooth adapter at any time. They can selectively shut down support for a particular adapter, or even shut down all support for any adapter that isn't theirs. This was something that was originally intended for HDMI and SPDIF, the ability to have it so they would only output signals to "blessed" hardware that was guaranteed not to record. This was when they thought DVD and Blu-Ray encryption wouldn't get cracked and they didn't want people re-recording off the TV/Audio signal. Cracking disc encryption and then streaming overtook that vector and that fell to the wayside. This is just one step in that revival. Control the hardware you can hook it up to, control what you can do with your signal.

    2. Re:Dongle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta include Tamper-protection in the earbud though.

    3. Re:Dongle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No more free dongle. Don't you read the summary?

    4. Re:Dongle by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      But in that first step, you can't go all the way to "you will only use our equipment and nothing else", or else no one will adopt the new system.

      Apple usually does it in the first step. The iMac got rid of every legacy port in one go. They switched from the 30-pin to the lightning connector in one model rev. The Mac Pro ditched all internal expansion in one go.

      New phones don't come with an adapter any more. And it is completely Apple's discretion as to when and if adapters will even work. As far as bluetooth goes, that is also completely at their discretion. An update can cause your phone to cease to work with any bluetooth adapter at any time. They can selectively shut down support for a particular adapter, or even shut down all support for any adapter that isn't theirs.

      Sure, maybe they would. Not sure why they would care to do so.

      This was something that was originally intended for HDMI and SPDIF, the ability to have it so they would only output signals to "blessed" hardware that was guaranteed not to record.

      Well, HDCP was always part of the HDMI spec, but not all sources implement it (TV tuners, for instance.) The only "copy protection" used in S/PDIF was SCMS, which was only used in some early DAT and MiniDisc decks. Maybe you're thinking of the copy protection some SACD transports can do over IEEE.1394?

      This is just one step in that revival. Control the hardware you can hook it up to, control what you can do with your signal.

      Maybe, but I don't see Apple particularly caring about this.

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    5. Re:Dongle by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but I don't see Apple particularly caring about this.

      Then you are blind.

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    6. Re:Dongle by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Apple TV and Apple Music aren't doing that well, though. I suppose there are Apple customers who use both.

    7. Re:Dongle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple usually does it in the first step. The iMac got rid of every legacy port in one go. They switched from the 30-pin to the lightning connector in one model rev. The Mac Pro ditched all internal expansion in one go.

      Yes, and look at just how massively successful those iMacs were...oh wait...nevermind...

  11. As a parent who recently got talked into buying by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Funny

    an iPhone for his college age kid I'd like to personally thank Apple for making the X so undesirable and thereby saving me $200-$300 dollars. I hope to see more of these cost saving measures. Maybe a partnership with Microsoft?

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    1. Re:As a parent who recently got talked into buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Undesirable to regular people.

    2. Re:As a parent who recently got talked into buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Statements like those show why ACs get shat on.

      Or do you think the top-selling Kardasians are entertainment?

    3. Re:As a parent who recently got talked into buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a parent I refuse to buy iAnything for my kid. I find the value to be much better in a mid-range phone models (Moto G and E series) and she got new Moto phone from me. If my kid disagrees,she is welcome to find a job and pay for her iGadget herself. Kids will try to convince you to get them anything as they don't know the value of money. I think the best thing I can do as a parent is to teach my kid the value of money.

    4. Re:As a parent who recently got talked into buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The top-selling cell phone is undesirable? Statements like these show why your kids would rather spend time with your ex-wife.

      Statements like that shows how ignorant you are about a lot of things

    5. Re:As a parent who recently got talked into buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Statements like this shows how butthurt you are because you can't afford one.

    6. Re:As a parent who recently got talked into buying by Frederic54 · · Score: 1

      Same here, my teens want an iPhone whatever version? go find a job to pay for it. My budget for their phone is less than $300, Moto G6, Asus Zenfone, Nokia 6.1 etc, various good choice at this price, and with an armor case.

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    7. Re:As a parent who recently got talked into buying by jwhyche · · Score: 1

      I find that the best cure for apple products is to expose them to apple products. Those drink the koolaid and embrace them body and soul where a lost cause anyway. But you find the few that long for the apple experience, and once they are exposed to it, reject it completely.

      My daughter was such a soul. She wanted a iphone, got a iphone, a year later got a job and bought her a Samsung S4. Rejected the apple poison completely.

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  12. It did not usher in AirPods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AirPods were available a year earlier when the iPhone 7 was announced without a headphone port.

    Jesus, the Verge is just the worst.

  13. voice mail exports require headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    voice mail exports require headphone jack

    all other export options are highly compressed and unusable

  14. Price by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    So I have to spend an extra $9 on top of my $800 phone? OK, if I want an analog output I'll do that.

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    1. Re:Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I have to spend an extra $9 on top of my $800 phone? OK, if I want an analog output I'll do that.

      You really have no clue whatsoever about what Apple is doing and why it is being done do you?

      I pity you.

      You are the property of Apple in every way. Sad really.

    2. Re:Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are discontinuing the dongles and will likely disable their use. Par for the course as far as Apple goes.

    3. Re:Price by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      you're mentally ill.

    4. Re: Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no arguments so you resort to childish behaviour... ? Well you only prove my point. .. I pity you too

  15. Still no 464XLAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apples approach to IPv6 only networks is fucking lame. Supposedly they say enforce their standards that ensure compatibility with IPv6 only networks but the reality is they dont do anything of the sort and the carriers carry the burden of customer complaints for all kinds of ridiculous security cameras VPNs and ither poorly implemented apps. Fuck you Apple and your NDAs youâ(TM)re a shitty software company.

  16. I've defended Apple in the past by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    I used to own an iPhone and I know some elements of being in the Apple ecosystem is good. I also believe them, when they claim they focus on security more than others. They (appear) to care about backdooring devices.

    What I am sick of is _die_hard_ classic Apple fans, utterly stuck in the little Apple box, incapable of logical and rational thought. I thought these zealots had died out, alas I was wrong.

    You can't bring up the headphone jack thing without some idiot shouting at you how archaic it is, or how it's not needed "progress" "courage" "backwards tech" and other such things. For what may be, one of the most ubiquitous connections on the entire planet.

    On the same note, I try to bring up, time and time again, how I can sit at my PC (Linux/Windows/Whatever) open up a web page and I can remotely "deploy" apps to my phone, if it's charging in the bedroom, if I forgot it at work, or even I can do it to my dads phone if I have his credentials, saving me talking him through the play store.

    You think Apple fans like this idea? Almost every time I bring it up, some idiot defends the App stores inability to be navigated via the web. Often citing "security issues" (yet you can log in and PURCHASE a $1000 phone on their site, with the same credentials)
    Why, in 2018 can we STILL not remotely install an App on iphones or tablets from the app store?

    I'm on holiday, there's a fan-damn-tastic deal for an ipad game or app, I see it on twitter, but my ipad is back home or in the hotel. Think I can grab that app quick, while it's cheap?

    Nope.
    Been able to with Android since at least 2010. Ridiculous.

    Extreme Apple fans (and the prices, but more the fans) are what make me stay away from them.
    "Apple did it, it must be right!"

    1. Re:I've defended Apple in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the same note, I try to bring up, time and time again, how I can sit at my PC (Linux/Windows/Whatever) open up a web page and I can remotely "deploy" apps to my phone, if it's charging in the bedroom, if I forgot it at work, or even I can do it to my dads phone if I have his credentials, saving me talking him through the play store.

      You think Apple fans like this idea? Almost every time I bring it up, some idiot defends the App stores inability to be navigated via the web. Often citing "security issues" (yet you can log in and PURCHASE a $1000 phone on their site, with the same credentials)
      Why, in 2018 can we STILL not remotely install an App on iphones or tablets from the app store?

      I'm on holiday, there's a fan-damn-tastic deal for an ipad game or app, I see it on twitter, but my ipad is back home or in the hotel. Think I can grab that app quick, while it's cheap?

      Nope.

      Okay, I will grant that this is a feature that is missing for no good reason that I can see. Even if you can’t remotely install an app, you should be able to buy it on the web and download it later to the device.

      I have the opposite problem. I only have one device (iPhone) and I pretty much never sync it to a computer. I also have an unlimited plan and prefer to never use mobile hotspots. Apple puts seemingly arbitrary constraints on what can be done while observing these preferences.

    2. Re:I've defended Apple in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should give BlackBerry phones a go... They run a secured version of Android

    3. Re:I've defended Apple in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for a year or two until they don't bother with security updates like the priv

  17. I've discontinued Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Sticking with my 5s until it did, my 13 Pro with DVD until it dies, already dumped the iPad for a kindle since that's all it was good for.

    Cook can go fuck himself - the POS gay Clinton groupie.

  18. Re: As a parent who recently got talked into buyin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention that if your kids loses or breaks their mid-range phone, replacing it won't break the bank.

  19. Courage!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It takes courage to innovate as much as Apple does. Our next phone will have no screen. The phone after that will have no phone.

  20. Re:I still use my iPhone 6s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi, how is the autism thing going?

  21. It'd be nice if we could stop following Apple. by OwP_Fabricated · · Score: 2

    Their design decisions aren't all gold- they just have a massive army of overly-moneyed sycophants who ooh and ahh at everything they do since Apple had the first legitimately good idea for a touchscreen cellphone interface. The notch is dumb. Ditching the 3.5mm jack is dumb. All of the proprietary connectors were dumb. The walled garden is dumb. Glass backs are dumb. No expandable storage is dumb. Smart Watches are in fact, dumb. Bluetooth headphones suck. 3D Touch was stupid. Apple's UI aesthetics have been awful for like 5+ versions of the OS.

    But Android manufacturers follow right along because

    1. They don't hire anyone who can design UIs or human-usable tech

    and

    2. Apple makes a shitzillion dollars, and they don't understand that Apple has so much goodwill they can continue flogging really increasingly fucking bad phones for probably another half a decade before even their diehards start to give up.

    No one has that kind of faith in Samsung or Motorola or . Hire the right people and make your stuff good on its own merits. You'll never outdo Apple even if your stuff ends up better in the end because you're forever seen as a follower of THEIR trends.

  22. S/PDIF is one way by DrYak · · Score: 1

    This was something that was originally intended for HDMI and SPDIF, the ability to have it so they would only output signals to "blessed" hardware that was guaranteed not to record.

    Sorry but SPDIF signal (as well as TOS-Link, AES3, etc.) is purely uni-directionnal.
    There is no back-and-forth and therefor there's no way to negociate an encryption.

    SPDIF's only form of protection is bit in the header telling if the source is original or a copy and if the material is allowed unrestricted copies or not.
    That's it.
    The rest of the audio is raw un-encrypted PCM (or optionnally AC3 or DTS bitstreams).

    It's entirely up to the emitting program to emit the correct bits. You could as well control your PC (or a simple ardunio) to emit a copiable stream ("original", "copy as much as you want").

    It's entriely up to the receiving program to honor what the bits imply. You could as well fetch the stream with a PC (or a simple arduino) and record it, even if says ("copy" and "please do not copy")

    HDMI is the one actually having a cryptographic handshake to lock out non-complying software.

    With the arduino approach (well it would take a very high Ghz micro-controller, but you got the idea), you only see encrypted garbage on the line.
    You'd need to have a valid signature, to do the handshake, so you get the decryption key.

    Only certified drivers, running in a "secure" (from the point of view of content maker, not end-users) environment like Windows, come with the necessary key to negociate an encrypted link.

    The same could be done with future lighning port & bluetooth speakers : only those come with the necessary signature to negociate an encrypted link.

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  23. Expensive phones less ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously a wired pair of headphones is less expensive then a Bluetooth pair. Apple would prefer you spend more on accessories then not. I guess the trend towards wireless everything keeps going forward. I personally buy what works for me and buying the top line iPhone is hardly something I need or can afford. Really a lot of it is over the top for what people really need or use. I get why Apple does it, to sell phones with a healthy profit margins when selling more phones is probably not going to happen as much.

  24. Success by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    They sold enough of them for Apple to go from loosing $800 million in 1997 to making $400 million in 1998.

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  25. Uh . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The SE, 6s, and X are still for sale on Apple's website. Not sure why erroneous stuff keeps getting reposted here. Also, Jesus Christ people, y'all need to chill the fuck out about Apple. We get it, you don't like them. Who cares?

    1. Re:Uh . . . by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      I agree. I am not certain why people get so emotional about phone choices.
      It is fine if you love android phones. It is fine if you love apple phones.
      Heck... it is ok to love old school flip phones.

      Just don't understand all of the rancor.

  26. Form over function by sremick · · Score: 1

    You know, there are LOTS of reasons that bezels, physical buttons and a headphone jack provide actual BENEFIT to the user.

    Leave it to Apple to brainwash their idiotic rabid fanbase and turning features in to dirty words, so that they can trick them into wanting something that is counter to their own best interests (and wallet).

  27. Dammit by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    I was going to replace my daughter's 6S with either another 6S or an SE, but this will jump the price. Crap.

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    1. Re:Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't purchased a "new" iPhone in years. The used market is flourishing.

    2. Re:Dammit by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Used prices will jump too until Apple stops replacing batteries...

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  28. When it comes to these changes... by Xnet+Project · · Score: 1

    It would be interesting to see if this market change will force consumers to go with apple specific hardware or purchase after-market adapters to use 3.5mm devices.

  29. Funny that the Notch is now a thing. by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

    So much moaning and complaining about the notch to begin with....
    Then a bunch of wanna-be notch copycats.

    Strange.

  30. Re:Normally it sucks to be an apple user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they started to suck really bad after that idiot took over - i'm predicting they will slowly fail again bitchez

  31. BAD CHOICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate them for removing the jack. I hate the quality and hassle and cancer risk of their Bluetooth-only phones. Also, the lightning headphones suoer inconvenient as the jack is in the bottom and also prevents me from charging at the same time. Definitely, I hav entered a Love-Hate phase, and I donâ(TM)t feel any kind of love for Apple. I dumped their tablets, and agree that their App Store leads, and is the only thing holding me back: the apps the DONâ(TM)T MAKE but where they steal 25% from.

  32. Worse than no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The horrible notch at the top of the screen is bloody awful. As I watched Apple's presentation yesterday, whenever they showed how gorgeous photos, videos, and games are on the new iPhones, all I could focus on was that horrible, horrible notch.

    I will NEVER buy any phone (iOS or Android) with a notch. That is a terrible design decision. It makes the screen look lousy.

    Either use thicker bezels at the top and bottom (to keep it symmetrical) which also give you someplace to hold the phone, or go to something like the popup front facing camera. But to have a notch on the screen 100% of the time when the front facing camera gets used only a (small?) percentage of the time, is stupid.

  33. More battery operated devices for the trash heap by pdfsmail · · Score: 1

    Let's remove the jack for my powerless wired headphones and replace them with a wireless headset that needs charged every few hours and has additional components like batteries to add to our trash... great decision. No, don't worry its advancement, not spoiled people.

  34. Re:Normally it sucks to be an apple user by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

    He's not an idiot. He's a supply-chain/logistics wizard.

    Now, when they switch to being more of a vendor of model railroad components, his outlook on product design will be awesome and valuable.