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Apple, Huawei Both Claim First 7nm Smartphone Chips (ieee.org)

When Apple unveiled the iPhone Xs and Xs Max earlier today, it said they will contain the A12 Bionic chip -- the first smartphone processor to be made using 7nm manufacturing technology. But, as IEEE Spectrum points out, Huawei made the same claim late last month when it unveiled the Kirin 980 system on a chip. From the report: Apple's new A12 Bionic is made up of four CPU cores, six GPU cores, and an 8-core "neural engine" to handle machine learning tasks. According to Apple, the neural engine can perform 5 trillion operations per second -- an eight-fold boost -- and consumes one-tenth the energy of its previous incarnation. Of the GPU cores, two are designed for performance and are 15 percent faster than their predecessors. The other four are built for efficiency, with a 50 percent improvement on that metric. The system can decide which combination of the three types of cores will run a task most efficiently.

Huawei's chip, the Kirin 980, was unveiled at the IFA 2018 in Berlin on 31 August. It packs 6.9 billion transistors onto a one-square-centimeter chip. The company says it's the first chip to use processors based on Arm's Cortex-A76, which is 75 percent more powerful and 58 percent more efficient compared to its predecessors the A73 and A75. It has 8 cores, two big, high-performance ones based on the A76, two middle-performance ones that are also A76s, and four smaller, high-efficiency cores based on a Cortex-A55 design. The system runs on a variation of Arm's big.LITTLE architecture, in which immediate, intensive workloads are handled by the big processors while sustained background tasks are the job of the little ones. Kirin 980's GPU component is called the Mali-G76, and it offers a 46 percent performance boost and a 178 percent efficiency improvement from the previous generation. The chip also has a dual-core neural processing unit that more than doubles the number of images it can recognize to 4,500 images per minute.
Apple will be the first to bring the 7nm chip in volume to market, as Huawei is expected to to start shipping its Mate 20 series phone (with the 7nm chip) a month or two later. Qualcomm also announced late last month that it's begun sampling its 7nm next-gen Snapdragon SoC. As IEEE Spectrum notes, the real winner is TSMC, which is making all three processors.

91 comments

  1. Claim, schmaim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm the first to announce 1nm, 24 cores, 32 GPUs, and 16 neural engines.

    Let's see who gets to market first. That's what matters.

    1. Re:Claim, schmaim by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At this point, the measurement of a nanometer in chip manufacturing is so.......flexible.......that it's not really worth paying attention to, other than as an announcement of something new. It's too imprecise of a measurement. Let's look at the benchmarks, what the chip can actually do, that is what matters.

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    2. Re:Claim, schmaim by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At this point, the measurement of a nanometer in chip manufacturing is so.......flexible.......that it's not really worth paying attention to, other than as an announcement of something new. It's too imprecise of a measurement.

      The nominal node name still serves to identify the node, even if it no long actually measures the half-pitch. And there is the intel factor: multiply the TSMC/Samsung node name by roughly 1.4 to get the Intel node name. This is pretty much generally understood.

      As far as I can see, node names do not correspond to any particular mask dimension, they are just names, but names are useful.

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    3. Re:Claim, schmaim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's my understanding of how it has been for years as well, just cause they say 7nm chip does not mean all features of the chip are at 7nm. They could literally have a few traces on the silicon at 7nm and claim 1st at 7nm, even though 98% of the chip is still at say 14nm.

    4. Re:Claim, schmaim by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Not just what it can do but how long it can do it. Molecular drift, apparently can cause real problems, add heat and over time new circuits can form or old ones break. How reliable are they over the long term.

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    5. Re:Claim, schmaim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha, creimer reminds me of Capitaine Bonhomme, he'll probably the same way, while telling lies...

      https://www.discogs.com/artist...

    6. Re:Claim, schmaim by mikael · · Score: 1

      If you have gone from 7nm to 1nm, you will have 49x as much space for the number of CPU, GPU and ML cores.

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    7. Re:Claim, schmaim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, this comment sounds like an Intel troll. Hows is your 14 nm process benchmarks doing?

    8. Re:Claim, schmaim by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I've started comparing based on transistor density, rather than process size, to avoid this stupid apples to oranges nm comparison where one company's nm means something completely different from another company's nm.
      • TSMC's 7nm proceess yields 6.9 billion transistors on 100 mm^2, or 69 million transistors per mm^2.
      • Intel claims their 10nm process will yield up to 100 million transistors per mm^2, which would still put them ahead.
      • For reference, Intel's 14nm process yields 37.5 million transistors per mm^2. Meaning TSMC's 7nm process would be roughly equivalent to (14nm)*sqrt(37.5/69) = 10.3 nm in Intel-speak compared to Intel's 14nm process..

      You'll note that Intel's 10nm process yields more improvement than the (14/10)^2 = 1.96x density increase you'd expect. So some of the components are being shrunk more thna a 14:10 ratio with the new process. However, Intel's 10nm process has been delayed repeatedly since 2016, with the latest schedule being no commercial shipments until 2019. So I guess that puts TSMC ahead for now if it can deliver this in volume without problems.

    9. Re:Claim, schmaim by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I've started comparing based on transistor density, rather than process size,

      Nice approach.

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    10. Re:Claim, schmaim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point, the measurement of a nanometer in chip manufacturing is so.......flexible.......that it's not really worth paying attention to

      Samsung begs to differ !

      They are claiming that they are developing 5nm node chips and have 3nm node in development

    11. Re: Claim, schmaim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Memory (cache) has much higher transistor density than logic. So you're measurement strongly depends on the memory-to-logic transistor ratio.

    12. Re:Claim, schmaim by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      They are probably both being manufactured at the same TSMC foundry using the same 7nm process.

      Really, this is just a pissing contest that nobody actually cares about.

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    13. Re:Claim, schmaim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first to have a working unit is what matters.

    14. Re: Claim, schmaim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to be slapped silly!

  2. Machine learning on my phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any real world exames of what will be done with that?

    1. Re:Machine learning on my phone? by nonBORG · · Score: 0

      This can be used for executing Neural network related algorithms. Some useful phone examples off the top of my head. 1. Speech to text processed on your phone with NN. 2. text to speech with natural sounding voice (even voice mimic possibly where it can mimic someones voice) 3. Dozens of things related to camera and image processing.

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    2. Re:Machine learning on my phone? by piojo · · Score: 1

      Any real world exames of what will be done with that?

      Maybe it will finally help Huawei allay their battery fears, so they can stop crippling the OS (killing important background apps and services). The summary mentioned a big efficiency improvement, and that means less heat and less battery consumption.

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    3. Re:Machine learning on my phone? by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 0

      IIRC, Apple uses it to tag your photos.

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    4. Re:Machine learning on my phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Predicting what you'll do next.

    5. Re:Machine learning on my phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snapchat dog faces. need i say more?

    6. Re:Machine learning on my phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spyware. The Apple will save millions on data centers when spied data can be pre-processed on their products phones. Of course it is the products who pay Apple for the hardware and privilege of getting spied on.

    7. Re:Machine learning on my phone? by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Here's an example what you could with the camera:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    8. Re:Machine learning on my phone? by turp182 · · Score: 1

      Pretty cool, looks like a semi-HDR approach based on aperture bracketing (per Google, Depth of Field bracketing) rather than time bracketing (I've done that).

      Instead of color matching for highlights (time bracketing) they compare the focus differences (and somehow color correct, maybe a normalized light level based on the input/output images).

      What's most interesting to me is that it shows us what "AI" is about at this time. It isn't self aware. It isn't making decisions. It isn't free learning.

      AI today is advanced pattern recognition. Better than humans. Good at games, image manipulation, and other certainly useful tasks.

      Data analysis is a big one, more variables than humans could ever consider.

      Terrifying to consider, and also know, this type of stuff is being used on the financial markets already...

      My I have no idea Question:

      Have we trained an AI on Chess and Go at the same time, with alternative output scenarios? It would have to identify the games and then process inputs and outputs for that section separately from another game. That's a more generalized approach. Fun to think about.

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  3. photoshop on your phone by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    your AI can now do photoshop AI off line and also helkp you find cats in your photos.

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    1. Re:photoshop on your phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was the AI modelled on some lonely graphic design homosexual?

      Like having your own personal Apple dev?
       

  4. apple lies, cheats, and steals too much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Huawei is first.

  5. Re:The Real Story by youngone · · Score: 1

    Also, no-one cares.

  6. Enough already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, Apple released new products today. Do I really need to see the specs listed over and over and over and over and over again! Its a phone that is marginally better than the last one, and the next one will be a little bit better. If you think its anything more than this, your just fooling yourself.

  7. Re:Donald TRUMP by phantomfive · · Score: 1, Funny

    Born in Jamaica. (true fact, look it up)

    I want to point out that you have never, ever seen Donald Trump's birth certificate. Maybe he hates immigrants the way Republican senators hate gays: by being one of them

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  8. To what end? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How complex have the codecs become that I need a neural engine to watch keyboard cat?

  9. The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Informative

    the real winner is TSMC, which is making all three processors.

    And the real loser is Intel, if these 7nm parts actually do come to market in volume without yield issues. Nobody knows that for sure until it actually happens, at least nobody who is talking. We will know the answer in a month or so, and then we will know that Intel really did manage to turn its historical two year process lead into a one year lag.

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    1. Re:The real loser is Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >and then we will know that Intel really did manage to turn its historical two year process lead into a one year lag

      Well that's why BK lost his job.

      Doing a corporate 'let us have all those within 2 years of retirement leave right now' routine in the middle of trying to bring 10nm yields up, and thus losing all the most experienced people was a stunningly bad move.

      FWIW, Intel is selling 10nm product today that is more dense than the '7nm' product that no one is selling today. So it's more of a leveling than a lag.

    2. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Intel is selling 10nm product today...

      Which product is that?

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    3. Re:The real loser is Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://ark.intel.com/products/136863/Intel-Core-i3-8121U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz

      This thing.

    4. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Looks like only sample quantities, I doubt that any product currently ships with it.

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    5. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Looks like only sample quantities, I doubt that any product currently ships with it.

      You just love to make declarations that are easily proven wrong, don't you?

      Nobody can deny that Intel is having major problems with 10nm production, but you just can't resist projecting your biases onto a reality that stubbornly refuses to conform, can you?

    6. Re:The real loser is Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple wouldn't be releasing their entire new lineup on A12 if they weren't confident that the yields were good. Apple sells a quarter billion iPhones a year, and if only half of them are the latest lineup then that's 10m chips a month.

      The announcement is proof of TSMC's 7nm process being good.

      Intel's 10nm is broken, they released some limited quantity Cannonlake chips that have broken GPUs. A marketing move. Their real 10nm coming late next year has been revised to be less dense, so that they can get it to work.

    7. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Looks like only sample quantities, I doubt that any product currently ships with it.

      You just love to make declarations that are easily proven wrong

      OK, prove your point then. I hope you understand the difference between announced and available. Show me where I can get this part on Newegg.

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    8. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      OK, prove your point then. I hope you understand the difference between announced and available. Show me where I can get this part on Newegg.

      Again your reading comprehension fails you. It was released in May in China. Whether you personally can buy it on Newegg is not the measure of whether "any product currently ships with it."

      I mean, you wrote the standard. At least pretend to live up to it. Funny how everyone needs to prove things to you, while you accept your own speculation as gospel. Widespread reporting trumps your personal beliefs. Try again, and do better.

    9. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      It was released in May in China. Whether you personally can buy it on Newegg is not the measure of whether "any product currently ships with it."

      Show evidence that the product is available anywhere, including China, or stop drivelling. BTW, Intel also announced a NUC with the part, also not available. The China argument doesn't let you weasel out of that one. Good luck.

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    10. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Show evidence that the product is available anywhere, including China, or stop drivelling.

      I did. The article, and all the others reporting the listing on jd.com. You show evidence that it was not.

      BTW, Intel also announced a NUC with the part, also not available

      For about one more week.

      The China argument doesn't let you weasel out of that one.

      I don't need to weasel, you said you doubted that "any product currently ships with it." The Lenovo 330c-15ICN is "any product." Multiple places reported upon the listing. You're just a sore loser.

    11. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      You showed a product announcement, you did not show evidence of product availability. It's clear you are talking out your ass, but that's perfectly understandable because that is where your head is, fortunately a pretty good fit for a weasel. Now see if you can actually buy this NUC.

      You can't, even if they do sell to weasels.

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    12. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      You showed a product announcement, you did not show evidence of product availability.

      That's not a product announcement, Billy boy. That there's a buy-it page. If you'd actually read the articles saying that it was available back in May, you might have figured that out by now.

      Now see if you can actually buy this NUC.

      Wow. You found an article describing the very NUC that I linked to in the post that you replied to. It's like you're after-the-fact psychic.

      I can buy it now. Pay them money, get a receipt, and everything. It ships this week or next, yet I'm sure that somehow disqualifies the transaction as "buying" in your bizzarro-worldview.

    13. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      That chinese site says "shipped by Lenovo". Go to Lenovo's site and search for Ideapad 330. There are six models, none of them have Cannon Lake. You know why? Because it isn't available, it only ever was available in sample quantities. The NUC site you snivelled about says "this product is expected to ship by Mid September." Expected. By who, you? Your ferret friends? And if you think it will actually ship in mid-september that you are even stupider than you sound, and that's saying something

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    14. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      You couldn't find it? By searching English language media in the US? Big surprise. I could. Note the release date: 08 May 2018.

      Oddly everyone can find info about this, except for you.

      P.S. Do you think people reading your near continual stream of insults truly believe that you have the upper hand, or recognize the signs of someone failing miserably at defending an indefensible position?

    15. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      You linked to a driver, not a computer. Don't believe me that Cannon Lake is not available? Then maybe you will believe your Apple friends.

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    16. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      You linked to a driver, not a computer.

      That would be a support page for a computer. But thanks for playing your usual "I won't believe clear evidence shoved in my face" denial of reality.

      Don't believe me that Cannon Lake is not available? Then maybe you will believe your Apple friends.

      Don't believe you. Don't believe them. Totally believe the jd.com page listing for a computer model supported by Lenovo with a Lenovo-stated release date and specs appearing all over the internet.

      BTW: Apple Insider are not my friends and your own NUC article says that those processors in those NUCs are available for pre-order and shipping in September, so please continue to tell me how they're not available until 2H19. That's not likely to come back and bite you in the ass at all.

    17. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      a computer model supported by Lenovo with a Lenovo-stated release date and specs appearing all over the internet...

      ...that Lenovo's site doesn't list. Idiot.

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    18. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      ...that Lenovo's site doesn't list. Idiot.

      Four minutes after you wrote "bye." That's gotta be a record.

      I don't recall your requirement that the manufacturer list the device in the place of your choosing. Or even in English. Moving the goalposts yet again?

    19. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Show me how to buy that laptop from Lenovo's site, like their other shipping products. Oh, you can't.

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    20. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      I invite you to crawl back into your hole. Bye, in advance.

      Not a requirement in your standard of "any product currently ships with it."

      Moved goalposts, meet immovable end zone.

    21. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      So you failed.

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    22. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Quoting misfire! Let's try again.

      Show me how to buy that laptop from Lenovo's site, like their other shipping products. Oh, you can't.

      Not a requirement in your standard of "any product currently ships with it."

      Moved goalposts, meet immovable end zone.

    23. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Not all all. I meant to do that. Prove otherwise. (TM) Tough Love, all rights reserved.

    24. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      That's probably what you say when you fart too, but you still smell bad.

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    25. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Ah, so now we're back to the content-free insults. Where's your proof?

    26. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      If you need proof that you smell bad, just breath in.

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    27. Re:The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Show me how to buy that laptop from Lenovo's site, like their other shipping products. Oh, you can't.

      Nope. Body of a rock god that smells like an Alpine breeze.

    28. Re:The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      But you are obsessed, why is that? Simplest explanation: you're nuts. No doubt you explain it differently to yourself.

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    29. Re: The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      I`m obsessed?! Says the one who has three times now written "bye," yet does not leave. I`m amusing myself while watching TMitHC. You`ve stopped making claims that call for researched rebuttals and lapsed into inane insults, so it`s not taking actual time and effort...

    30. Re: The real loser is Intel by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Obsessed and delusional.

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    31. Re: The real loser is Intel by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.

  10. meanwhile... by Jodka · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The complexity of the physics and chemistry, the enormous manufacturing engineering effort and the management coordination required to direct the billions of dollars in capital necessary to achieve that is mind-boggling. Six point nine billion transistors onto a one-square-centimeter chip. It's at times like this when it seems we are finally living in the future. Electric cars, re-usable space rockets, 3D printed titanium.

    Meanwhile, FEMA finally found the 20,000 pallets of potable water bottles it shipped to Puerto Rico. On the airfield where it left them. After the expiration date.

    Without devolving into absolutist Ayn Rand libertarian zealots, maybe we can all agree that there is something to this invisible hand, free market, capitalism stuff.

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    1. Re:meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For some things market mechanisms are extremely effective. for others they are not. The difficulty lies in figuring out which. Apply the market to everything does lead to failures as big as other methods. see: US health care, the Gilded age etc.

      There is a reason the rebuttal to libertarians boils down to "counterpoint, all of recorded history"

    2. Re:meanwhile... by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      I sometimes think if "the aliens" ever did come down (which they won't , I have pretty strong doubts about the UFO guff) , their impression will be something like;-

        "Well, these guys are centuries away from FTL, they've got some garbage ideas about how to run a planet, their still pumping CO2 into the air, and dear god what the hell is with this war business.

      All in all, a primative, aggressive backwards ass planet. With one major exception. They've come absolutely miles with their computing abilities in a very short period of time. What they lack in basic SPACEMATH they've compensated by building astonishingly powerful computers so they can brute force the problems. With all that said, no hoverboards yet".

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    3. Re:meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WRONG. The shortcomings in US health care is due to LACK of free markets ("free" doesn't mean free of regulation), not free markets themselves.

    4. Re:meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The complexity of the physics and chemistry, the enormous manufacturing engineering effort and the management coordination required to direct the billions of dollars in capital necessary to achieve that is mind-boggling. Six point nine billion transistors onto a one-square-centimeter chip.

      How many of those are actually useful as opposed to merely making up for deficiencies elsewhere in the design?

      The 386SL comes to mind, with its SMM-introduced insecurity and requiring three times as many transistors as the 386DX. I'm sure there are many, many more examples. Put another way, with a better design you might be able to do more and do it faster than with a more complex design that happens to be a poorer match to the task at hand. See the story of the J1 FORTH CPU.

      Yes, the numbers are impressive, but just like USB speed claims (how come a 480 Mbps USB link is easily outperformed by a 400 Mbps FireWire link?) they don't tell the whole story. Just like how "7 nm process" says very little these days.

      It's at times like this when it seems we are finally living in the future. Electric cars, re-usable space rockets, 3D printed titanium.

      You could've made that case in 19th century, even though that was right on the heels of the end of the golden age of sail and its riches. I don't particularly want to go back, but a little perspective goes a long way. Or, looked at it from the other side, we've been promised flying cars for a few decades now. Still not mainstream. So we have some future coming yet, right?

      Meanwhile, FEMA finally found the 20,000 pallets of potable water bottles it shipped to Puerto Rico. On the airfield where it left them. After the expiration date.

      Accidents happen. They shouldn't, but they do. In a large organisation like that, a small clerical error can indeed have that sort of result.

      Ever heard the story of the futures trader who ended up having a barge full of coal delivered to the trading office? That sort of shit happens in commercial enterprises just the same, but it's not paid for out of the public purse. Unless you're "too big to fail" of course.

      Without devolving into absolutist Ayn Rand libertarian zealots, maybe we can all agree that there is something to this invisible hand, free market, capitalism stuff.

      "Let's just nod in agreement..." hell no.

      You, like so many others, are confusing "good management" with the profit motive. They're not remotely the same, and that is one reason why many privatisation projects fail utterly.

    5. Re:meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does water expire?

    6. Re:meanwhile... by willy_me · · Score: 1

      Sunlight causing the plastic to break down and contaminate the water. The water was not forgotten - they just stopped using it when they started to receive complaints regarding a taste in the water. The lesson to be learned is that bottled water should not be delivered all at once. Space it out so it remains fresh.

    7. Re:meanwhile... by thesupraman · · Score: 0

      You think you live in a capitalist free market?
      Interesting.

      I assume you also think it is somehow good that you paid your government to produce, store, then ship 20,000 pallets of water to PuertoRico, but that no one in that same government gave a shit about them actually being used to help anyone, because the profit had been made, the tickboxes had been ticked, and the bureaucrats all got their good feelz on.

      BTW, and I suspect it is over your head, TSMC is producing all of these chips - do you know what the T stands for?
      Hint: its not USASMC.

    8. Re:meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mayor in Puerto Rico literally kept the water from her people just so she could bash Trump. She literally risked killing citizens to make a political jab. That is the definition of evil, and I'll let you guess which party she is a member of. Hint: The same party that went to war to keep slaves, the same one that tried to prevent women from voting, the same one that tried to prevent the Civil Rights Act from passing, and the same one that kept a KKK leader as a senator for 6 decades and was proud of it, the same one that thinks rigging their primaries is acceptable.

    9. Re:meanwhile... by organgtool · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, FEMA finally found [cnn.com] the 20,000 pallets of potable water bottles it shipped to Puerto Rico. On the airfield where it left them. After the expiration date. Without devolving into absolutist Ayn Rand libertarian zealots, maybe we can all agree that there is something to this invisible hand, free market, capitalism stuff.

      Anyone who has used FedEx will likely beg to differ. The fact of the matter is that there are things that the public sector does significantly better than the private sector and vice versa. The challenge is to recognize which side does better in each sector and then step out of the way and let them get the job done.

    10. Re:meanwhile... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Or pack it in a way that it is not hit by sunlight, e.g. a small cask of thin wood around each pallet.

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    11. Re:meanwhile... by Xylantiel · · Score: 1

      Nice strawman there. Not that your argument make any sense in the first place. You're claiming there isn't a free market for water?

  11. Does it have A.I. and blockchain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If not, then what are we talking about?

  12. Neither are on open platforms. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice and all that, but Huawei lost a lot of goodwill by removing bootloader unlock - something necessary for things like effective ad-blocking and extending the life of the device.

  13. "Free market" in health by DrYak · · Score: 1

    WRONG. The shortcomings in US health care is due to LACK of free markets ("free" doesn't mean free of regulation), not free markets themselves

    I agree from the point of view that the "demand" in the health sector basically isn't free but locked : you don't get to decide when you're sick or not, but private companies (inssurances, private hospitals, etc.) can freely decide how exactly they'll fuck you up.

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  14. Who does sell them before, wins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's go! It's a race!

    7nm process sooner than expected could rise the sales of the electronic devices!

    The $$$ cheese $$$ to share is ready for the competition!

  15. Re:Donald TRUMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Born in Jamaica. (true fact, look it up)

    I want to point out that you have never, ever seen Donald Trump's birth certificate.

    Heh. We haven't seen his his tax returns yet either. And I gather you didn't look it it, eh?

    Maybe he hates immigrants the way Republican senators hate gays: by being one of them

    Maybe. He also seems to hate women, by being a big pussy. And liars.

    MAGA

  16. "Bionic" chip? What? Why? by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Why on earth would anyone name their product "bionic" if it didn't have something that connected to or operated in cooperation with a living organism?

  17. Re:"Bionic" chip? What? Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The living organism is you. Every day the hardware and software cybernet is growing. It interfaces computers, phones and other network connected devices to the human brains so that it can learn and grow. Every day it becomes more knowledgable and bigger. The only things the cybernet needd from you are information, physical maintenance an an energy supply . Advances in AI mean that that the cybernet will become less dependent on humans for those things. After all, you mostly eat, sleep and poo. You're simply not that efficient.

  18. Re:"Bionic" chip? What? Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PS. next time you see someone glued to your phone... Just remember that the cybernet is sucking data from their brains.Eventually that data become part of the machine, while the weak and feeble human mind probably just forgets it.The cybernet has memory banks that can be programmed to never forget.

  19. Re:"Bionic" chip? What? Why? by mark-t · · Score: 1

    The only things the cybernet needs from you are information, physical maintenance an an energy supply

    That's not bionic, that sounds more parasitic.

    Besides, using an operating system to accept input from a human doesn't make that system bionic, or else every home computer ever made would qualify as bionic.

    "Bionic" is a portmanteau of biology and electronic. Anything that doesn't encompass those two, functioning together as if they were a *SINGLE* thing, not merely one accessing the other, is not bionic. The classical example is of course electronic artificial limbs, but there are others. I once read about a guy who implanted an RFID reader in his body, and over time his brain adapted to the signals it was receiving from the reader so that he could actually understand some of it. That would be an example of bionics as well.

    I'm betting whoever came up with "Bionic" for the name of the chip probably didn't realize that word had any particular meaning beyond sounding like a cool science fictiony term that might impress people.

  20. Re:"Bionic" chip? What? Why? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Perhaps because it contains a core for handling artificial neural networks?

    if it didn't have something that connected to or operated in cooperation with a living organism?
    Because they don't find that a fitting definition for bionic?

    In german bionic means: mimicked after a living organism, not interacting/cooperating with one.

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    Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.