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OnePlus 6T Trades the Headphone Jack For Better Battery Life (techradar.com)

OnePlus CEO Carl Pei confirmed to TechRadar that the OnePlus 6T won't have a headphone jack. Instead, it will feature a larger battery that will be "substantial enough for users to realize." From the report: Our first line of questioning was obvious. Why? Why ditch the jack? Why ditch it now? For Pei, it's about timing, and creating the best smartphone experience. "When we started OnePlus, we set out to make the best possible smartphone, but making a great phone doesn't mean putting every component available into the device," he said. "You've got to make decisions that optimize the user experience, and understand that at times things that provide user value can also add friction. "We also had to think about the negative side [of removing the headphone jack] for our users. We found 59% of our community already owned wireless headphones earlier this year - and that was before we launched our Bullets Wireless headphones. "If we were to do that [remove the jack] two years ago, the percentage [of wireless headphones owners] would have been much lower and it would have caused a lot of friction for our users."

Pei went on to explain that there are user benefits to the removal of the port, which should bring some comfort to OnePlus fans already pouring one out for the headphone jack. "By removing the jack we've freed up more space, allowing us to put more new technology into the product," he said. "One of the big things is something our users have asked us for, improved battery life." Pei wouldn't be drawn on what the "new technology" will be, but we already know the OnePlus 6T will feature an in-display fingerprint scanner, which will eat up some of the space left by the exiting jack.
Pei did mention they will include an adapter in the box to allow users to use wired headphone.

254 comments

  1. Personally by Cesare+Ferrari · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's one of the only features I use on my feature phone. You could take out the cameras, GPS, motion sensors and probably half a dozen other bits i've never heard of let alone used, but the headphone socket is important to me.

    1. Re:Personally by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      It's one of the only features I use on my feature phone. You could take out the cameras, GPS, motion sensors and probably half a dozen other bits i've never heard of let alone used, but the headphone socket is important to me.

      If nothing else is important but the headphone jack, you could always buy a Zune

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    2. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Right, because that's what he said. With your (mis)understading he could just buy a headphone socket from an electronics store.

    3. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's one of the only features I use on my feature phone. You could take out the cameras, GPS, motion sensors and probably half a dozen other bits i've never heard of let alone used, but the headphone socket is important to me.

      Personally I often trade air in my colon for smelly gas in my pants!
      That is a much better trade than the one made by OnePlus!

    4. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:Personally by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OnePlus is now off the list.

      They're idiots, all. It's not a "headphone jack," it's an analog audio jack. It works with headphones, but having bluetooth headphones doesn't help with connecting a phone to an older car or a stereo. Nor does bluetooth support the quality of a direct connection. BT audio is more complex, costly, and inconvenient. And I'd rather deal with a cord which has to go all the way from my ears to my pocket than have to worry about keeping the non-replaceable batteries in headphones charged (yet more planned obsolescence). A line level analog audio signal is universal - audio is analog, after all.

      And the "we traded a jack for more battery life" is pure and simple bullshit. Compare the size of a jack to the size of a cell phone battery, and one can easily understand that the additional volume from removing the jack can add no more than a couple of percent to the battery capacity. "Pei did mention they will include an adapter in the box to allow users to use wired headphone." Guess what? The DAC in that adapter sucks way more battery than the infinitesimal bit gained by removing the jack.

      Just make the damn phone thicker, which will allow a real increase in battery size, and also make it easier to hold. And make it a user replaceable battery instead of designed in obsolescence. Finally, no one outside of your marketing department gives a shit about edge-to-edge screens. Notches must die. Bezels make phones easier to hold. Smartphones all basically look the same, with only minor differences. Stop pretending there's any "style" involved, and stop doing stupid stuff like removing functionality so you can pretend there is.

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    6. Re:Personally by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Me too. I liked OnePlus, but not any more.

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    7. Re:Personally by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OnePlus is now off the list.

      They're idiots, all. It's not a "headphone jack," it's an analog audio jack. It works with headphones, but having bluetooth headphones doesn't help with connecting a phone to an older car or a stereo.

      Exactly- the average car on the road is now 10 years old- they're lasting longer these days. I have a 6 year old car- I intend to keep it at least another 6 years (3 average phone lifespans for most people). It doesn't have Bluetooth. I use my analog out every single day.

          I applaud a better battery- I'd applaud even more if they made the battery bigger without taking away a headphone jack. Make the phone 2mm thicker or give a bezel- that's a better trade off than removing the headphone jack. How much space does a headphone jack really take up. I'm sure this is more about the pointless "who can make the thinnest phone" dick swinging match than it is about needing space for a battery.

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    8. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      OnePlus is now off the list.

      They're idiots, all. It's not a "headphone jack," it's an analog audio jack. It works with headphones, but having bluetooth headphones doesn't help with connecting a phone to an older car or a stereo. Nor does bluetooth support the quality of a direct connection. BT audio is more complex, costly, and inconvenient. And I'd rather deal with a cord which has to go all the way from my ears to my pocket than have to worry about keeping the non-replaceable batteries in headphones charged (yet more planned obsolescence). A line level analog audio signal is universal - audio is analog, after all.

      And the "we traded a jack for more battery life" is pure and simple bullshit. Compare the size of a jack to the size of a cell phone battery, and one can easily understand that the additional volume from removing the jack can add no more than a couple of percent to the battery capacity. "Pei did mention they will include an adapter in the box to allow users to use wired headphone." Guess what? The DAC in that adapter sucks way more battery than the infinitesimal bit gained by removing the jack.

      Just make the damn phone thicker, which will allow a real increase in battery size, and also make it easier to hold. And make it a user replaceable battery instead of designed in obsolescence. Finally, no one outside of your marketing department gives a shit about edge-to-edge screens. Notches must die. Bezels make phones easier to hold. Smartphones all basically look the same, with only minor differences. Stop pretending there's any "style" involved, and stop doing stupid stuff like removing functionality so you can pretend there is.

      I totally agree...

      Another option when it comes to "style".. is to actually ADD unique functionality to create a unique.. style... like they did up to around 2014...

      Only BlackBerry continues to makes phones that are a bit different... because they have a physical keyboard. They are not cheap though and sadly they are thin and has a build-in battery...they still have minijacks though

    9. Re:Personally by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      If you don't use the GPS and camera, why buy a phone with that stuff? You can get a MUCH cheaper phone without them.

      Headphone jack is one of the features on my phone that I virtually never use. I'm happy to see it go.

    10. Re:Personally by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      but having bluetooth headphones doesn't help with connecting a phone to an older car or a stereo.

      Spend a few bucks for one of these:

      https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...

      Works great in my Jeep.

      than have to worry about keeping the non-replaceable batteries in headphones charged (yet more planned obsolescence).

      So get a pair with a replaceable battery like I did. Been using them for 7 years....still haven't replaced the battery anyway though.

    11. Re:Personally by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Exactly- the average car on the road is now 10 years old- they're lasting longer these days. I have a 6 year old car- I intend to keep it at least another 6 years (3 average phone lifespans for most people). It doesn't have Bluetooth. I use my analog out every single day.

      My Jeep IS 11 years old. It has the OEM stereo, without Bluetooth. For a whole $15, I added one of these:

      https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...

      Plugged it in and leave it there. Now my phone sends music and GPS directions to my Jeep's stereo flawlessly. And I don't have to fuck around with an audio cable either.

    12. Re: Personally by msauve · · Score: 1

      LOL. You're have that exactly ass backwards.

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    13. Re:Personally by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Spend a few bucks for one of these:"

      Whoosh. "Provides up to 10 HOURS playing time and only need 1.5 HOURS to charge it fully.(NOTE:Please charging Mpow with the equipped charging cable and do not charge for a long time.)" That's butt ugly and it doesn't even support AptX, so it's way worse than an analog connection. I can see why it's good for a Jeep.

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    14. Re: Personally by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      You're saying the bluetooth signal itself doesn't compress the audio?

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    15. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All the brain cancer cases 10 years from now.... Tehy already have technology to influence person mood by oscillating Bluetooth waves, also Bluetooth leaves breadcrumb trail whenever you go, so they can finally have real life constant user tracking in case someone disabled wi-fi and BLE. There are many reasons to remove jack, but space is not one of them. It goes deeper than that, we all know that.

    16. Re: Personally by msauve · · Score: 2

      He's saying that speakers aren't driven by analog signals traveling through wires. He's an idiot.

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    17. Re:Personally by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Right, because that's what he said. With your (mis)understading he could just buy a headphone socket from an electronics store.

      Umm..... whoosh.

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    18. Re:Personally by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      That's it. My penis, your butt, let's go.

      AC held down Ol Olsoc and gave him the business for 7 hours.

      You'd never go back to sheep, Sparky!

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    19. Re:Personally by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It's not a "headphone jack," it's an analog audio jack.

      You mean the 3.5mm 4-wire headset jack?

    20. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure, and then carry 2 devices instead of one. how do we award you a crown sir?

    21. Re: Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would never even consider buying a pixel due to no headphone jack. I was going to only stick with OnePlus because they stood out. Now, just a dime a dozen.

    22. Re:Personally by Megol · · Score: 1

      I'll help you out: "one of the only features" "feature phone" -> it isn't the only feature he uses, he wants a phone.

    23. Re:Personally by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      I haven't tried that brand, but I did try another brand and it didn't work very well.

      Of course. Bluetooth also means extra battery drain too and possible security issues

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    24. Re: Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My phone has a headphone jack, so I don't have to buy extra shit on Amazon.

    25. Re: Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are losing out on the all-important demographic of people who drive fifteen year old cars and run high-end stereos through their phone headphone jack! Fools!

    26. Re:Personally by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Engage your snob mode if you want to, but you'd never even know it was in use if you listened to it.

    27. Re:Personally by butchersong · · Score: 2

      It is irritating. There are a lot of cool apps that can take advantage of the standard 3.5mm headphone port... USB C is likely not going to be the standard in 20 years but we've got this 19th century standard going strong. Want a temperature sensor? No problem.

    28. Re:Personally by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Oh, and guess what? You can just charge it as you are going down the road - and KEEP it charged for that matter. In this application, the battery run time doesn't even matter.

      Not any uglier than having a cable sticking out of your stereo - but if that's your style, you can still plug your cable into the stereo, and then plug this into one end of it and put it behind your dash, or on the console, or even up your ass for that matter.

    29. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If nothing else is important but the headphone jack, you could always buy a Zune

      sure, and then carry 2 devices instead of one. how do we award you a crown sir?

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    30. Re:Personally by Rhipf · · Score: 1

      Just make the damn phone thicker, which will allow a real increase in battery size, and also make it easier to hold. And make it a user replaceable battery instead of designed in obsolescence. Finally, no one outside of your marketing department gives a shit about edge-to-edge screens. Notches must die. Bezels make phones easier to hold. Smartphones all basically look the same, with only minor differences. Stop pretending there's any "style" involved, and stop doing stupid stuff like removing functionality so you can pretend there is.

      But if they make the phone thicker they can't brag about how thin and light it is. 8^)

    31. Re:Personally by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Motorola can make phones with headphone jack and excellent battery life. I'm certainly behind the curve, but my Moto z play last all day and generally has 40 to 50 percent left.
      This has been my experience with other Motorola phones. I'm not sure why Samsung can't put a decent battery in their phones.

    32. Re:Personally by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'll help you out: "one of the only features" "feature phone" -> it isn't the only feature he uses, he wants a phone.

      My uncle Fred comes to family gatherings and brags about not having a computer.

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    33. Re:Personally by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      sure, and then carry 2 devices instead of one. how do we award you a crown sir?

      What 2 devices? A headphone and a phone is 2 devices. I just skip the cord part.

      Y'all are excited about having to plug in two things, I don't plug in any except to charge the BT headphones when I get back home.

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    34. Re:Personally by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Someone needs to come out with a new phone with a user replaceable battery, and market it as "wireless supercharging."

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    35. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OnePlus is now off the list.

      Agreed. I currently have a OnePlus One as my phone. It's pretty beat up but I love it (installed Lineage to keep updated). However, the battery life is getting a bit poor (I've replaced it but the aftermarket battery options aren't too great either) and camera quality is a bit poorer now compared to recent phones. I was ready to upgrade and would have bought a 6, but that fucking glass back was a deal breaker. I was hoping the 6T would fix that, but I guess I don't care anymore.

    36. Re:Personally by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      having bluetooth headphones doesn't help with connecting a phone to an older car or a stereo

      Given the location of the auxiliary-input jack in my car (it's in the center console), it made more sense to plug in a Bluetooth receiver. There's also a USB jack in there to deliver power to the receiver, so all I have to do is reach in and switch it on.

      It also reduces cable clutter at the phone, with just a USB-C plug at the bottom to keep it charged.

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    37. Re:Personally by Big+Boss · · Score: 1

      The other thing I hate even more about this USB-C everything is that you are now using the most important bit of the phone for audio. If I break the audio jack, it's annoying. If I break the USB-C, I can't charge the damn phone! Without charge, a phone is useless. And they solder that port to the mainboard, so you can't really replace it. I can do SMT soldering, but those ports are a PITA to replace. And damage to the port often rips up traces on the board. They can't physically support them properly, because there's no room to do so with the devices so stupid thin.

      I'm still running a V20 as it has the audio jack, SD support, and replaceable batteries. I even use an extended battery, makes the phone much easier to hold and I never run out of power. If I get low, even 30min on a quick charger gets more than enough to finish up the day, but that rarely happens. I can generally go 2 days on a charge, saving a little wear on the USB port. With improvements in mobile CPUs and such slowing down, using an "old" device isn't a big deal these days.

      Another thing I dislike about OnePlus, their proprietary fast charge. I don't really care if they think it's better. Qualcomm's quick charge and USB-PD have it covered. Proprietary charging is something that should have died years ago. Even Qualcomm at this point should bow out for USB-PD, even though there are things I like better about QC.

      It would be nice if someone made a phone I was willing to buy. It's a bit like replacing my older Macbook Pro. Apple makes nothing I want anymore, and OSX is going downhill fast. And most of the Windows machines are crap, and run Windows, though Linux would fix that.

    38. Re: Personally by dnaumov · · Score: 1

      Never ceases to amaze me how clueless people on /. are nowadays. No, bluetooth signal itself doesn't compress the audio, codecs do and nowadays, there are lossless codecs. Educate yourself on aptX-HD before embarrasing yourself any further.

    39. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actual name is a phone connector.

    40. Re:Personally by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      You should buy one of these hands free sets for your old car. Just plug it into the audio port and cigarette lighter. It connects to the phone by Bluetooth.
      This solves everything, I even use this for my phone that has a headphone jack. The device has buttons to change songs. And without audio cable the phone can be charged without creating a ground loop, which often messes up the sound.

    41. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too, were else can I hide my drugs?

    42. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First off, I love the headphone jack and won't buy a phone without one. Just so you know though, for about $10 you can get a bluetooth receiver to use in older cars which has a headphone jack, it's actually nice since you can leave your phone in your pocket and set it to play automatically when you get in the car.

    43. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just that, but when you are charging the device, you need to go to extra lengths in order to be able to listen to music on the headphones at the same time. My mother's Macbook has that issue, it has only one USB-C port that's used for everything. You cannot charge it and have any USB-C devices in use, unless you buy an adapter.

      It's an asinine design decision and I think that Apple did give up and allow more than one port on subsequent models.

    44. Re:Personally by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Is he also that guy who never turns down a chance to tell anyone he meets that he does not own a TV?

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    45. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The batter better have an earphone jack.

    46. Re: Personally by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      So I can take any headphone and any bluetooth transmitter and be guaranteed I will get a lossless codec? Or do I need to spend hundreds on the new shiny shiny?

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    47. Re:Personally by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      First off, I love the headphone jack and won't buy a phone without one. Just so you know though, for about $10 you can get a bluetooth receiver to use in older cars which has a headphone jack, it's actually nice since you can leave your phone in your pocket and set it to play automatically when you get in the car.

      And for even older cars (I'm looking at you my dear old '96 Metro), even Dollar Tree still sells those cassette to earphone jack adapters like Wayne and Garth used in the Mirthmobile to use their Discman without having to replace the car's stereo. Those things work with more than just external CD players, yaknow. :)

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    48. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea you can, but those phones often are missing the other tech that is bundled in with the GPS and camera.

    49. Re: Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This lol.

    50. Re: Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You dont plug your phone in to charge? Wireless charging is nice but you still have to plug in the base charger.

    51. Re: Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to spend hundreds.
      Look, removing the jack doesnt make extra battery room- what a load of crap. Theyre trying to sell their shitty bluetooth headphones that have to be charged. Ive replaced a headphone jack on my phone once, its microscopic- i had to hold it with tweezers.

    52. Re: Personally by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You dont plug your phone in to charge? Wireless charging is nice but you still have to plug in the base charger.

      Well yeah!

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    53. Re: Personally by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      As far as I can see on the internet, LDAC is the only lossless codec which is owned by Sony. So yay if I want to buy only Sony products; but I actually tend to avoid them.

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    54. Re:Personally by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Oh yay, another device that needs charging.

    55. Re:Personally by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Is he also that guy who never turns down a chance to tell anyone he meets that he does not own a TV?

      That's the guy!

      Two of my wife's friends refuse to get a computer.

      They are nice ladies, but I've had to do stuff for them online because of that. I don't really mind, but one day I was talking to them, and both were expoundng how that had no use for a computer, simply didn't need one. Bragging in fact.P I suppose, as long as they have someone to do what they needed on-line.

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    56. Re: Personally by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Then even if I had a Sony phone and it had LDAC, what are the chances it will work with the truck I bought last year?

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    57. Re:Personally by thewolfkin · · Score: 1

      ugh that's moronic. the battery life gain from removing something as as small as a headphone jack is not going to be enough to keep my phone powered on for any significant time. Besides that doesn't help keep my headphones charged which is yet ANOTHER thing I have to charge.

      A headphone jack is simple and direct. Plug in and go. Losing it gains me barely anything but keeping it let's me use all the headphones I prefer to use. it lets me audio out to just about anything even if it doesn't have a BT adapter. I can output to my outdoor speaker without draining the battery on BT. Ugh. OP was my company but with this move I'm gonna have to move to greener pastures.

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    58. Re: Personally by AK9oh7 · · Score: 1

      I avoid Sony also, what you'll want is the EarStudio ES100. The sound is impressive with a good set of earbuds. Amazon has it for about $100.

    59. Re: Personally by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Still won't guarantee me of connecting and getting lossless. Plus at $100 I hope the battery never fails.

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    60. Re:Personally by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      ugh that's moronic. the battery life gain from removing something as as small as a headphone jack is not going to be enough to keep my phone powered on for any significant time.

      Let us look at the situation. A 3.5 mm plug has a length of 14.5 mm, or roughy .6 inch.

      So at an almost impossible bare minimum, that is how far it will stick into the inside of the phone. Then there is the Jack. A really good chance it will stick almost 25 mm into the inside of the phone That space is lost for anything that has a rectangular shape.

      Like a battery. For the whole width of the phone. And if you have a fair sized phone, that is a lot more capacity

      Unless you know of a battery that has a recess for a headphone Jack.. I'm not buying a Li-Po battery like that. If it existed.

      Respectfully submitted, your favorite Moron - who is just pointing out that if you call someone stupid, it helps if you are right. Because in this matter, you are not even wrong.

      Don't believe me? Do some research.

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    61. Re: Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually both LDAC and Aptx HD (AptX "lossless") are lossy formats (yes, thats right, AptX are now using " lossless" as a marketting term). If yoiu want low latency AptX HD you have to sacrifice the quality, and vice versa.

    62. Re:Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry... Apple has you covered. iPhone DmbSht is going to be 0.5mm thick.. Battery and dongle sold separately.

    63. Re: Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And how do you think the speakers are moving their membranes? Don't forget the DAC too.

      It still BS to remove the jack on a freaking 6" phone for that reason but it is what it is. Don't buy this crap is your only resort.

    64. Re: Personally by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And how do you think the speakers are moving their membranes? Don't forget the DAC too.

      "Sokath, his eyes opened!

      Yes, space inside a smartphone is incredibly limited.

      People clamor for longer battery life, people clamor for wireless charging, people clamor for screens with no bezel. People clamor for thin. All have an impact on the innards of the phone. The tiny space available inside a phone fills up very quickly, and some of these demands are counter to each other.

      The classic Slashdot acceptable phone with it's replaceable battery compartment and headphone jack is becoming an anachronism now.

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    65. Re: Personally by dnaumov · · Score: 1

      140$ is not "hundreds".

    66. Re:Personally by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Were they ever *on* a list? Why is "someone you've never heard of does something you don't care about" news?

    67. Re: Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lg v20 probably the last flagship to have both features. It's small and thin enough for me.

    68. Re: Personally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an old cart stereo and a Bluetooth fm device for it. Way better than using the cable.

  2. For the Battery? Lies by mentil · · Score: 4, Funny

    They had to make room for the notch.

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    1. Re:For the Battery? Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The oneplus 6 has a notch and headphone socket so there's room for both.

    2. Re:For the Battery? Lies by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They had to make room for the notch.

      I still find it bizarre that such a tiny change can attract so much attention in mobile device world. There is so little innovation that people will have passionate, heated discussions (and spend significant extra $$$) for this year's device that has a slightly different screen: a notch, a curve around the side, no fixed buttons at the bottom, 0.5mm less bezel. None of this makes your calls more reliable, or gets you faster mobile Internet, or lets you view stuff you couldn't see before in apps or on web sites, or lets you type faster when you're sending a message. It's just not that important.

      At least having a significantly bigger battery or a particular physical connector can make a slight but noticeable difference to what you can actually do with your phone, so that kind of trade-off is worth considering. The other stuff is 99% marketing because otherwise phones are like laptops a few years ago: everybody who wants one already has one that is good enough, and the upgrade cycle is slowing down as a result.

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      If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
    3. Re:For the Battery? Lies by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      This. The best bargain today in the mobile world is to buy last year's flagship model of your brand of choice.

    4. Re:For the Battery? Lies by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

      for this year's device that has a slightly different screen

      There is nothing slightly different about a notch. It upends 40 years worth of standardised visual screen space design by introducing an unoperable area of the screen that extends into content areas.

      Not just that the notch is an ugly blemish but it also needs to be worked around content wise. Your camera takes square photos, you look at them, there's a black thing in your field of vision, hopefully it's not masking the fact that someone is hanging their dick out in the corner of your frame as you send that photo to your grandma. /extreme example

    5. Re:For the Battery? Lies by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      There is nothing slightly different about a notch. It upends 40 years worth of standardised visual screen space design by introducing an unoperable area of the screen that extends into content areas.

      Yes and no. We've typically used exactly rectangular screens on computers, TVs and more recently phones/laptops, but having irregular display areas and designing UIs to fit them isn't particularly unusual in more specialised devices. I haven't looked into how the displays in recent phones carve out the space for the notch, and perhaps there really is a change in the underlying technology if it's being done with a single panel, but to the user it's all a bit "meh, whatever".

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    6. Re:For the Battery? Lies by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm a dumbphone hold-out. There is not very much I could do with a smartphone that I couldn't do better or at least more conveniently with either a small phone with much longer battery life or a larger device like a tablet or laptop or DSLR camera. It's certainly not a perfect solution; one significant exception is the increasing dependence on transport and parking apps, where it often would be more convenient to access them for a few moments from a device in my pocket rather than getting a tablet out of my bag. But you can buy a lot of tablet or laptop or camera equipment for the difference in price between a dumbphone and whatever marketing-driven high-end smartphone people are buying this week, and I'm a bit old school about spending my money on things that are actually good. :-)

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    7. Re:For the Battery? Lies by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      For me, the only reason that keeps me spending more than the minimum necessary on phones is cameras - i use these all the time. I'm rocking a Pixel just because of that.

      Watch the Pixel 2/2 XL prices plummet in the next couple weeks when Google announces its third flagship. You can get a whole lot of phone for your money.

    8. Re:For the Battery? Lies by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Software rounded corners would be the killer app. Give the physical screen sharp corners and configure the roundness through the settings app.

    9. Re:For the Battery? Lies by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      My daughter has a Pixel, which I bought for her. I was a little dismayed to realize it has an always on microphone. If it hears music, it pops up the name of the song.

      Her android account is part of my custom domain, so it's pretty locked down, but I haven't seen an option to disable this.

    10. Re:For the Battery? Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    11. Re:For the Battery? Lies by Lothsahn · · Score: 2

      Also, from that article:
      Of course, since track data is stored locally on the phone, that also means it’s limited.

      Which means that while it appears to be a privacy issue, it's actually not. Compared to the 900 other problems with any Android smartphone that actually are privacy issues, but are hidden from you.

      Funny how privacy issues usually revolve around perception, not reality. If I walk around with a camera pointing it at people, many will get very angry, but generally don't mind at all that the government sets up cameras all around the city.

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    12. Re:For the Battery? Lies by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Specialised devices are not universal devices designed to display universal content. On a specialised design you control all design and UI aspect (think Nest with it's circle display). The phone is a universal device. Webpages: rendered as rectangles. Documents: Rectangles. The camera app: rendered as rectangles.

      As for how this happens, the OS works notification icons around it (one could say that notch takes up valuable notification realestate but whatever). However everything else, e.g. ANY fullscreen application is shit outta luck. The best you got there is sticking to Apple's developer guidelines which show a safe area far short of the notch, i.e. fullscreen only in name, not in spirit. The same goes for rounded corners, nice on the device edge, not so nice on the edge of the usable screen area.

    13. Re: For the Battery? Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best bargain is a xioami. Cut out the American/Korean middle man and still get a high quality device, a lot cheaper.

  3. So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by RenHoek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As the title says, it means my next phone will be another brand then... To bad since my current OnePlus5 is a great phone for a good price.

    Instead of losing the jack, I'd rather see them add waterproofing, FM radio and an IR blaster.

    1. Re:So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the title says, it means my next phone will be another brand then... To bad since my current OnePlus5 is a great phone for a good price.

      If you have a OnePlus5, why the hell would you be buying a new phone this year? Status seeker much?

    2. Re:So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FM radio? IR blaster? Seriously? You don't need a OP6T. You need a time machine.

    3. Re: So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DAB and 433mhz transceiver then, nitpicker.

    4. Re:So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > OnePlus5 is a great phone for a good price

      They put in a lot of effort to convince me otherwise... Their website is just boiler plate rip on Apple's (not that I care that they are stealing from Apple, I just wish they put some effort in to convince me they actually are a company) and unless I am mistaken you can't actually see that good price. They just sell awful faux material cases and cables. They have no price info... I mean if you are really into bad fake carbon then I guess that is a deal, but I see minimal tech specs and 0 price info.

    5. Re:So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GP said nothing about buying one this year; next infers sometime in the future.

    6. Re:So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could power villages with how hard you're trying.

    7. Re:So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by Falos · · Score: 1

      Not this year, next year, or even the year after.

      I also have a 5T and it will be my notchjack holdout until the battery dies.

      Might unglue the screen to replace it, too.

    8. Re:So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

      Why? Did those things suddenly stop becoming useful? Did people quit listening to FM because a bunch of ignorant children were born? Did remote controls stop using IR? I think I might have finally found the idiot that phone and OS companies keep changing (and often ruining) the products for every new release. It's you, Mr. Coward.

    9. Re:So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Did people quit listening to FM because a bunch of ignorant children were born? Did remote controls stop using IR?

      Yes and yes.

      > I think I might have finally found the idiot that phone and OS companies keep changing (and often ruining) the products for every new release. It's you, Mr. Coward.

      Naah, I still use my OP3 and have no plans to change until it breaks.

    10. Re: So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur, Oneplus is now no longer an option. My oneplus 3t is good for quite a bit longer, so my decision won't really hurt oneplus in the short term, but anyway.
      I would like an ir blaster, but you can pick up a learning usb thingy for 5 bucks or so.

      Fm or dab+ could be nice too.

      My must have list however, includes dual sim, and a headphone of plug.
      At the top of the nice to have list, above the ir blaster and radio: waterproof. And relatively long battery life.

      aRTee

    11. Re: So my next phone will not be a OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I checked, my flagship smart TV (less than a year old) and 4K Bluray player still use IR. Sure, there are other options now, like the shitty "smart wand" or flaky, incompatible with each other and get replaced with a different protocol on a yearly basis network support (complete with lousy UI). IR hasn't gone anywhere.

  4. Wireless headphone so called "experience" by guacamole · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wireless headphones experience is still crap. I have tried many wireless headphones, and despite paying around 150USD each time, I always ended with headphones that are less comfortable and sound worse than my wired 40 dollar Koss PortraPro or 60 dollar Sennheiser PX100-ii. Moreover, these super duper "advanced" and expensive headsets have a tendency to stop working within a year. I refuse to carry that stupid dongle. It's just another item that will get lost and it's just plain inconvenient to use.

    As for Oneplus, all I can say hasta la vista. It was good while it lasted. I recall the first Oneplus One from 2014 which had flagship build and specs for just 300USD. Now that was a value. But now that Oneplus is another +500USD phone that follows the worst trends, whether in pricing, cheating in benchmarks, or deleting the headphone jack, all I can do is stop considering Oneplus for my next purchase.

    1. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      Wireless headphones experience is still crap. I have tried many wireless headphones, and despite paying around 150USD each time, I always ended with headphones that are less comfortable and sound worse than my wired 40 dollar Koss PortraPro or 60 dollar Sennheiser PX100-ii. Moreover, these super duper "advanced" and expensive headsets have a tendency to stop working within a year.

      Meanwhile I have a three plus year old BT headset that is still going strong. It's so comfortable that I sometimes forget to take it off. Dueling data points, I suppose.

      I refuse to carry that stupid dongle. It's just another item that will get lost and it's just plain inconvenient to use.

      Sucks to be so convenience oriented that plugging in an adapter is a bridge too far. Don't ever try for a job in audio or RF I have boxes full of adapters. You'd have a nervous breakdown..

      That little adapter that comes free with iphones isn't a big deal. You just plug it in and leave it there. If it slips out and gets lost, there is something broken, the plug or the adapter. I only ever tried mine once, just to see what you and yours were whining about. Whining about it takes more effort than doing it.I did note that the iPhone earbuds were pretty dood as earbuds go. But after using it once, I put it back in it's case, because I use BT, and didn't go wireless just to tether myself to my phone. You find the so called dongle just too hard to live with but wired to your phone is apparently da shitz.

      As for Oneplus, all I can say hasta la vista. It was good while it lasted.

      Well then, buy a phone that suits your needs and won't upset you. They did you a favor by limiting the number of phones you personally find acceptable. A friend of my wife has an old flip phone because "smartphones are stupid and trendy".But she can still find a phone - I think her next one is that phone they advertise on television for old people though, the selection isn't quite what it used to be.

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    2. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by DrXym · · Score: 1
      "That little adapter that comes free with iphones isn't a big deal. "

      Except if you lose it or reasonably expect to use a phone without a stupid dongle sticking out of the bottom of it. The only reason there is no headset jack and an ugly, losable dongle is to strongly compel people to fork out for expensive wireless earbuds.

    3. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wireless headphones experience is still crap. I have tried many wireless headphones, and despite paying around 150USD each time, I always ended with headphones that are less comfortable and sound worse than my wired 40 dollar Koss PortraPro or 60 dollar Sennheiser PX100-ii.

      Well, yeah. If you go cheap, you canâ(TM)t expect good results.

      My Sennheiser 550 travel headphones (bluetooth) have been in constant use since I bought them in February 2012. Almost seven years. Of course, I paid $500 for them too.

    4. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Try Sennheiser Momentum Wireless. They are really great.
      But be careful with the charging port.

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    5. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by k2r · · Score: 0

      Just keep the adaptor plugged in into your headphones. If you're still losing it this way I don't think that your parents should trust you with handling their expensive mobile phones.
      It's just a non-issue.

    6. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 years is a braggable age? My youngest headset is like 10 years old...

    7. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      Just keep the adaptor plugged in into your headphones. If you're still losing it this way I don't think that your parents should trust you with handling their expensive mobile phones. It's just a non-issue.

      And how. The adapter on my buds never showed any sign of coming loose.

      The issue is that some people don't like Apple, or are resistant to change. So they have welded their zone of acceptability to one of the worst and most fragile connectors ever made.

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    8. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oldest is irrelevant. If it works, it's used. It works. It's an industry standard.

      The fragile comment is also worthless. Fragile as compared to what? I have never broken a headphone jack on a device. I have, however, broken or made loose USB connectors on my devices.

      The CEO of OnePlus is either lying or clueless. Either way, he (like you) should cite some real research to validate your assertions.

    9. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by msauve · · Score: 1

      "That little adapter that comes free with iphones isn't a big deal. You just plug it in and leave it there."

      I hear that the next generation is going to have an innovative new feature where they've engineered a way of actually building the adapter into the phone! Courage and progress.

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    10. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I have never broken a headphone jack on a device.

      That defies belief, unless you don't actually use the jack very much. This connection type is notoriously flaky, and it has been since the days of the humble walkman. I've either tossed out or replaced the plug on scores of headphones, and had a fair number of loose or flaky jacks over the years. I've never had a device with a lightning connector, so I can't comment on the relative reliability - but your quote does not jibe with my experience at all. And judging by the people fiddling with their cords all the time, my experience isn't unique.

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    11. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Oldest is irrelevant. If it works, it's used. It works.

      My parents had a rotary phone until the mid - 90's

      It's an industry standard.

      So was their rotary phone.

      The fragile comment is also worthless. Fragile as compared to what? I have never broken a headphone jack on a device.

      I've replaced many of them over the years. The 1/8th or 3.5 mm socket is a remarkably weak device. The biggest issue is that the simple metal springs are not robust, being a scaled down version of the ubiquitous 1/4 inch plug and jack. It is one of the weakest points on any device it is installed on. Professionals use them only if there is no other choice, because they are a very unreliable component.

      Either way, he (like you) should cite some real research to validate your assertions.

      SRSLY? Do your own research. This is like demanding that I prove that the sun isn't a burning lump of coal. Or claiming that a smartphone camera is better than a professional DSLR, so I have to prove it is. I've repaired or tossed a lot of devices small audio jacks over the years. Believe or do not, I hardly care.

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    12. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I have never broken a headphone jack on a device.

      That defies belief, unless you don't actually use the jack very much. This connection type is notoriously flaky, and it has been since the days of the humble walkman. I've either tossed out or replaced the plug on scores of headphones, and had a fair number of loose or flaky jacks over the years. I've never had a device with a lightning connector, so I can't comment on the relative reliability - but your quote does not jibe with my experience at all. And judging by the people fiddling with their cords all the time, my experience isn't unique.

      Lightning connectors are pretty robust, as long as you get the Apple version. The extraction force is significant, so if you get a Big lots version of the connector, the insulation will pull off eventually.

      I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but....

      As for the 3.5 mm jack, there are just some physical properties that make it very difficult to make a long lasting and reliable. They use spring metal to make and hold the contacts. Difficult to do at that size. The jacks especially are prone to damage when accidentally yanked out as tn angle, which tends to happen when the cord snags on something.

      Now, can the 3.5mm plug and jack be made a reliable device? Sure - if you are willing to expend the space and increase the cost dramatically.

      But already as we see, the case intrusion of around an inch can prevent you from using a larger and higher capacity battery. The work to make a 3.5mm jack that is reliable will increase that problem. So make the case larger or thicker to accommodate outdated and unreliable technology and get better battery life? Seems weird except for the Slashdot reactionaries.

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    13. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      3 years is a braggable age? My youngest headset is like 10 years old...

      How are the batteries in that headset? Squeezing 10 years out of bluetooth headset batteries is pretty impressive.

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    14. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      "That little adapter that comes free with iphones isn't a big deal. You just plug it in and leave it there." I hear that the next generation is going to have an innovative new feature where they've engineered a way of actually building the adapter into the phone! Courage and progress.

      Already has one - Bluetooth.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    15. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oldest is irrelevant. If it works, it's used. It works.

      My parents had a rotary phone until the mid - 90's

      It's an industry standard.

      So was their rotary phone.

      Please list the ways that a rotary phone is superior to a push-button phone. Then we can compare that to the list of ways wired headphones are superior to wireless (no recharging, no battery to die, better sound quality, compatibility with a huge range of devices made over the several decades) or wired+dongle (no dongle to lose, no need to have multiple dongles for different locations/devices, better battery impact, more solid connection than USB) and see if you have made a valid comparison.

      The only benefit rotary phones ever had was compatibility very early on. It was only way way later, when pushbutton compatability had been at 100% for decades, that rotary was finally forcefully retired.

    16. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      "Be careful with the charging port" Enough reason to know I don't want them. Don't need to pay lots of money for flaky parts.

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    17. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I've never broken one either.

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    18. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      That's not true, I had one on a 2008 macbook wear out and become flaky. Otherwise I've never broken one.

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    19. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      The biggest issue is that the simple metal springs are not robust, being a scaled down version of the ubiquitous 1/4 inch plug and jack.

      To be fair though, this is also a problem with every flavor of USB, and pretty much any non-locking connector type.

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    20. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Except everyone has USB-C connectors. My macbook is 1.75 years old and I have had to get them replaced already. Using them with a dongle compounds this problem because there is only 2mm contact inside. Any sideways pressure on the dongle housing wears this out very quickly.

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    21. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I would never spend $500 on wireless headphones. I buy expensive headphones for sound quality and build quality. Eventually your battery is going to give out, in fact I would be surprised if they have the battery life they did at new. Also, you are never going to get the sound quality that I would buy Seinnheiser for, because bluetooth signal is compressed.

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    22. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      What about the plug on the headphones? I don't know how you haven't had more failures. I can't tell you how many hours I've spent pressing my finger in a certain direction - or at least rotating a plug to a magic, delicate angle - to get the left or right earphone to work.

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    23. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cable is the most failure prone part of headphones. I've broken the cable casing and the area around the jack on headphones probably a half dozen times. Indeed, every time I replace a set of wired headphones, it was problems with the cables that did it. I even had some that were warranty replaced, and they failed at the jack after 8 months.

      YMMV, but my bluetooth headphones have been going strong for a few years, and their main weak point is the on-off switch, which gets pressed 10 times a day. It's starting to get a little flaky, which is too bad, but for the $25 I spent on them, they've lasted longer than any other pair of headphones that I've used with my iPod or iPhone.

    24. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Please list the ways that a rotary phone is superior to a push-button phone.

      Please list the ways that a 3.5 mm plug and jack are superior to bluetooth.

      It's a phone for crying out loud. If I need high quality sound, I'll not be using my phone. And my real equipment does not have a 3.5 mm jack on it. That is all you need to know about how good that poor excuse for interconnection equipment is. The only thing worse is the micro phone jack. I've found some of them fail on first use. Science!

      Y'all mini phonejack-o-philes are a real hoot. If you don't want a phone without one, don't buy that phone.

      But y'all gotta come up with better reasons. The ones you use so far are lacking somehow.

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    25. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The biggest issue is that the simple metal springs are not robust, being a scaled down version of the ubiquitous 1/4 inch plug and jack.

      To be fair though, this is also a problem with every flavor of USB, and pretty much any non-locking connector type.

      One of the reasons I use Bluetooth.

      Your post gave me an idea. Mil-spec locking connectors on smartphones! Ugh, that's what happens when I get up too early.

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    26. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Except everyone has USB-C connectors. My macbook is 1.75 years old and I have had to get them replaced already. Using them with a dongle compounds this problem because there is only 2mm contact inside. Any sideways pressure on the dongle housing wears this out very quickly.

      It isn't like I disagree that small connectors are a mechanical issue.

      Its a sub-reason that I use Bluetooth headphones. N connectors, and no wire on a previously wireless device. The tethering wire is the main reason.

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    27. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      have you ever tried to bludgeon someone to death with a touch tone phone? It's impossible. you'll only make them angry.

      To really create the amount of blunt force trauma needed to do the job, you need the solid, hefty weight of an old school ATT issued rotary phone.

      (see also: IBM model M)

    28. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I buy wired headphones for $7 and the buds break before the plug but in that case I don't care. If I buy an expensive set I make damn well sure they have a proper grommet on each end of the wire to prevent breakage and I have never had a problem.

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    29. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      That little adapter that comes free with iphones isn't a big deal.

      I do lots of field recording. I have a great M-S stereo microphone that plugs right into the lightning port on an iPhone. It works great. BUT ... you want to monitor what you're recording. That means headphones. But the lightning port is already occupied, and the latency on bluetooth is a deal breaker.

      For my purposes, the little adapter is indeed a big deal, as it doesn't allow for the functionality I need. Yes, I know that there are adapters that expand the lightning port to lightning and 1/8", but they don't provide the physical stability you need for a microphone.

    30. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, you use your headphones with more than one device.

    31. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      I have never broken a headphone jack on a device.

      That defies belief, unless you don't actually use the jack very much.

      I believe him. I haven't either in my 35+ years of heavy listening. I did have one break outside of the jack when I was about 12, but it was on really cheap headphones that I abused the hell out of. Other than that, the device the jack/plug was in failed long before the jack/plug itself.

      Bottom line: the 1/8"/1/4" audio plug is probably the most universal standard that we have seen in consumer electronics. Almost every device made in the last 75 years uses some variation of it in some capacity. It does what it needs to do, and it does it better than any of its potential replacements. The idea that it needs to be replaced is ridiculous.

    32. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      A power supply is kind of required for active noise cancelling. And if you are capable of SMD soldering, then a loose MicroUSB port is not a big deal.

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    33. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Wow, I'm clearly doing something wrong - or you guys represent some kind of long tail. I buy the connectors in packs to replace the flaky ends on my headphones.

      See also "barrel jack" power adaptors.

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    34. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sucks to be so convenience oriented that plugging in an adapter is a bridge too far.

      Nobody likes carrying dongles. They are a hassle, get lost, forgotten or break. Every phone I've had previously with headphone dongle I've had problems with.

      Don't ever try for a job in audio or RF I have boxes full of adapters. You'd have a nervous breakdown..

      If the claim is a "job in audio of RF" is needed to operate a OnePlus hard to imagine bean counters being happy with resulting sales.

      Well then, buy a phone that suits your needs and won't upset you.

      Good advice.

      They did you a favor by limiting the number of phones you personally find acceptable. A friend of my wife has an old flip phone because "smartphones are stupid and trendy".But she can still find a phone - I think her next one is that phone they advertise on television for old people though, the selection isn't quite what it used to be.

      Impressive load of childish garbage.

    35. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      SMD soldering.. lol. So how much does that cost for the setup? Noise cancelling headphones that take replaceable batteries work great.

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    36. Re:Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      They did you a favor by limiting the number of phones you personally find acceptable. A friend of my wife has an old flip phone because "smartphones are stupid and trendy".But she can still find a phone - I think her next one is that phone they advertise on television for old people though, the selection isn't quite what it used to be.

      Impressive load of childish garbage.

      Goo-Goo. The point, which I suspect you are actively trying to avoid, is that time moves on. That headphone jack is disappearing. The jack makes for a fairly big ingress into the phone, every pit if which takes away battery space. and most people prefer battery life to the jack. Losing the battery jack hasn't had much effect on Apple sales, and probably won't on the Android sales either.

      The reason why Apple owners don't care is because many or most of them use Bluetooth earphones. So a phone that you will almost certainly never buy pisses you off. Well how about that? The headphone jack is going the way of the battery replacement compartment. Some folks still froth at the mouth about that as well, but most of us chuckle about the old man yelling at the Television aspect of it.

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    37. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, you are doing something odd.

    38. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Any decent soldering iron will do. I use a reworking station bought on ebay for 40 EUR, it even has an adjustable heat gun. A steady hand is far more important than any special equipment.

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    39. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've seen the Oneplus 5 teardown? The battery is in no risk of coming anywhere near the headphone jack. They'd have to almost double the size, coincidentally leaving no room for the SOC, microphone or cameras. It's obvious you've drunk the koolaid and bought into the "bigger battery" lie.

    40. Re: Wireless headphone so called "experience" by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I'm definitely active while using the headphones. I'm betting you guys are just sitting at a desk. I've never broken anything doing that, either - but then you aren't going to break any kind of connection with that use case. I've switched to Bluetooth headphones when I do yardwork - the headphone cord would constantly snag branches and things like that. I also have Bluetooth headphones built in to my ear protection when doing something loud (mowing the lawn, running the table saw, etc). I still plug in the headphones at work, but I'm not always at my desk. I get the occasional yank-out or other abuse when on the factory floor, but I really like the noise reduction from the earphones so I use them anyway.

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  5. What BS by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A headphone jack takes up a neglible amount of space compared to its use. I don't see any legitimate argument for dumping it.

  6. "Substantial enough for users to realize." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I doubt it very much. I wish the industry made the jump for the 2,5mm jack before considering to ditch it completely.

    The fact the CEO choose to not talk numbers indicate that the battery gain is probably just meh.

    1. Re: "Substantial enough for users to realize." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of 23:59, short of a day, the battery will last 24:01, longer than a day. (*)

      (*) under lab conditions.

    2. Re:"Substantial enough for users to realize." by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      Nah. The 3.5mm is a universal standard that works. There's no reason to disrupt that from a consumer point of view. It only makes sense for companies that stand to make money from a new standard.

  7. It might be true that 59% own wireless headphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > We found 59% of our community already owned wireless headphones earlier this year

    Yes, I do own 3 wireless headphones but one of them has bad sound, one of them has bad battery and one of them has bad range so the sound skips sometimes even if the phone is in my pocket.

    With wireless headphones I could buy a pair with decent sound for $20 and be happy, now I have spent $40-$60 on 3 headphones with decent reviews on amazon and all of them have some kind of flaw.
    The flaw with my wired headphones for $20 was that it was wired, but that was at least as advertised.

  8. Why? Hereâ(TM)s why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have probably used the headphones jack on my current phone, which I have had for three years, less than five times. However, I use the battery every day.

    Iâ(TM)d gladly trade elimination of one for more utility from the other.

  9. Re:It might be true that 59% own wireless headphon by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

    > With wireless headphones I could buy a pair with decent sound for $20 and be happy

    Equally important, you could buy them *anywhere*. I've yet to see a wireless pair at a corner store.

    Took a 4-hour train trip recently. Guess what I forgot? Lots of stores in the station had headphones, none of which would work.

  10. Make it thicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not just make it 1mm thicker, keep the headphone jack, and vastly increase the volume of the battery...

    1. Re:Make it thicker by Nemosoft+Unv. · · Score: 1

      Agreed. This ludicrous tendency to make devices slimmer and slimmer has to stop. At this point, adding 1mm of thickness could increase your battery life by 20%, even more. The frontal area is still the same so adding a bit of depth doesn't make the device any bigger visually.

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  11. Move the jack to the case by sjbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OnePlus CEO Carl Pei confirmed to TechRadar that the OnePlus 6T won't have a headphone jack. Instead, it will feature a larger battery that will be "substantial enough for users to realize.

    If that's what their customers actually prefer that is a sensible course of action. Personally I seldom used the headphone jack on phones so I'm quite pleased to have the space budget utilized for other items like batteries. You may feel differently of course and that's totally fine but there are a LOT of people who do not actually care much about the 3.5mm jack. The fact that Apple sells tens of millions of iPhones without the jack is proof enough of that. People that need/want the jack are passionate about it but not as many as you might guess from the complaining.

    Personally I think the best answer is to move the headphone jack to the cases that virtually every smartphone is put into anyway. Think about it. Imagine a smartphone that has a standard interface (contact or wireless) to connect to the case. Then you could put all sorts of useful equipment (headphone jacks, bigger batteries, ethernet or other ports, better cameras, good speakers/amps, extra storage, multi-meters, oscilloscopes, etc) into the case based on your particular needs at the time. It's kind of like the unix philosophy in hardware. You have a minimalist core system and then people add the components to it that they actually need. Since nearly everyone adds a case to their phone anyway it seems foolish to not make full use of that fact and put some real capabilities into the case. Plus it would seem to be a real economic opportunity since people LOVE to personalize their phones. I do a lot of photography and I would love to have a case with a much bigger camera lens and battery that integrated seamlessly with my phone. All the smartphone maker would have to do is provide a good interface and API for the hardware makers to play with.

    1. Re:Move the jack to the case by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Personally I seldom used the headphone jack on phones

      So you use the headphone jack.

    2. Re:Move the jack to the case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do a lot of photography and I would love to have a case with a much bigger camera lens and battery that integrated seamlessly with my phone.

      If you do a lot of photography then buy a proper camera.

    3. Re:Move the jack to the case by iampiti · · Score: 1

      LG tried something similar with the G5 and it wasn't a big hit. I don't know the reason. Probably because the phone itself didn't sell too well. It didn't make the base phone a lot bigger or anything so that proves it can be done and, at least, they could put a removable battery without a very big impact.

    4. Re:Move the jack to the case by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      You're describing the Moto Z line of phones. I have one. They're great.

    5. Re:Move the jack to the case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fun fact, in a manner of speaking, we already have a way to do this.

      USB ports on the bottom of the phone.

      I don't keep up with newer phones. I'm current using a Galaxy S5 and this Mophie [http://www.mophie.com/shop/juice-pack-galaxy-s-5] battery case. The case itself slots into the phones USB port, and has it's own USB port. It adds a little to the length and thickness of the phone (It's a big battery after all) but otherwise works really well.

      In theory, you could create a case that uses the same style of slotting into the USB port (Be it USB-C or Microusb or even lightning) and adds a cm or couple to the length, but includes extra battery, cameras, headphone jacks, etc, that utilizes USB OTG, with a pass-through for charging.

    6. Re:Move the jack to the case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The case can't absorb shock with any of those things in it unless it's enormous.

      I'm not fussy about the jack, but I do insist on an analog audio output, and my understanding is that many of these phones do not route one to the USB-C jack.

  12. No more OnePlus phones for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck them for removing the 3.5mm jack. I rather they removed USB-C and provided a 3.5mm to USB-C dongle

  13. Why?? by uffe_nordholm · · Score: 2

    I really don't understand this infatuation with removing something that, for better or worse, has been with us for several decades. It's not just this manufacturer, but it seems to be every manufacturer that is removing the 3,5 mm plug. And I really don't understand why: it can't take up that much space on the PCB, the technology is by now pretty well-known and understood by even the most tech-idiotic people on the planet.

    If the manufacturer wants more battery life, why not make the phone a bit thicker? My HTC U11 is around 7 mm thick (guessing, not measuring. For those who want it in Imperial units, you will have to google it.) and I don't think another 3-7 mm would make much difference to me. Granted, I don't know if it would be technically feasible to build a battery in the shape this would force (or make possible) so maybe it couldn't be done in less than an extra 5-20 mm.

    As for the question of how much we would use the 3,5 mm plug: in my case at least an hour a day, on my way to and from work. As it is, I have to carry a short cable, with a USB-C male plug on one and and 3,5mm female on the other in order to plug my headphones into my phone. And I don't want to use some other headphones, because when I get to work I plug them into my laptop while connecting the phone to a charger.

  14. Doesn't make sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More battery life removing a small 1/8 jack? I can think of some legitimate reasons removing a jack could be such as eliminating a point of entry for liquid, or aesthetic reasons. But making room for a noticeable battery life increase is not one of them. I'm keeping my iPhone SE for one reason, that is the audio jack. Yes, I do have Bluetooth headphones of decent quality from Sony. But they still lack the overall quality I get from a decent wired pair. Bluetooth is a lot of things, but one thing its not is having huge bandwidth for audio transfer. I suppose its plenty for many who can't hear the difference. Or maybe all they have ever heard is crappy reproduction from cheap ear buds. But you don't have to be a audiophile to hear bad quality and a step down in quality for the sake of eliminating a wire.

  15. More than one perspective by sjbe · · Score: 1

    A headphone jack takes up a neglible amount of space compared to its use

    Maybe for you but that's not universally true. I almost never used the headphone jack so it was a total waste of space for me. In a compact device with such a tight space budget there is no such thing as something that takes up negligible space. I get that many people like and utilize the 3.5mm jack and the benefits are not lost on me. But the simple fact is that tradeoffs are going to happen and no company can please everyone. And the evidence is clear that a LOT of people don't care about the 3.5mm jack at all.

    I don't see any legitimate argument for dumping it.

    That's because you are only looking at the issue from your own perspective. If I were to use my own perspective I would argue exactly the opposite that there is no legitimate argument for including it. After all I don't need that particular bit of kit. Both views are equally valid if we aren't considering the needs of others. In reality a vast number of people don't care at all about the 3.5mm jack and likewise a lot of others care very passionately. Companies need to try to serve what they think their customers really want which might not be what you or I personally want.

    What I really think is the best answer is for them to make an elegant interface for cases so that OEMs and third parties could make cases with all sorts of cool optional equipment (batteries, cameras, headphone jacks, etc) for personal needs. I'd LOVE to have a case with a larger battery and a "real" camera in it because I do a lot of photography. I don't care about the headphone jack but you do and then you would have a way to get it while keeping the core phone elegantly small. Most of us put our smartphones in cases anyway so why is nobody taking full advantage of that fact?

    1. Re:More than one perspective by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A headphone jack takes up a neglible amount of space compared to its use

      Maybe for you but that's not universally true.

      Nope, he's right, the space it takes up is negligible compared to its use. In fact I'd go as far to say it takes up no space what so ever in a device with a 4" screen. Here's a teardown of a Nexus 5x... the "massive" headphone jack is right next to the guy's thumb... and the guy isn't gigantrathor, that's a normal sized thumb. That big thing he's taking out it he battery (which still lasts a day or 2 on my 2 yr old Nexus 5x)

      I'm flying LHR to LAX (11 hours) next week. LHR-SIN (14 hours) next month, LHR-BOG (12 hours) in November and I'm thinking about a jaunt to Boston over the Christmas break (LHR-BOS 7.5 hours). No set of bluetooth headphones could last the duration considering that they'd also end up getting an hour or so use at LHR because security there is so bleeding efficient and customer focused. Add to this that a set of normal plug-in headphones will work on any 3.5mm jack. No worrying about bluetooth versions, compatibility, setup or any other bollocks, they just plug in and work.

      Plus when it comes to hands free, anyone on bluetooth sounds like their in a lavatory at best. Some are down right shocking.

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    2. Re:More than one perspective by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Maybe for you but that's not universally true. I almost never used the headphone jack so it was a total waste of space for me.

      Yeah removing that barely a finger nail's worth of internal space is really vital isn't it?

      That's because you are only looking at the issue from your own perspective.

      Yes, as a user of a phone who wants to plug any old pair of inexpensive earbuds into the phone.

      Of course, if I were a greedy handset manufacturer who didn't want to bundle buds with the phone and wanted to upsell users to some wireless buds, then I might have a different opinion. But I'm not.

      The reality is the headphone jack takes up an insignificant amount of internal space, and there is zero technical reason to remove it. Any excuse by manufacturers to the contrary is exactly that - an excuse.

    3. Re:More than one perspective by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      I'm flying LHR to LAX (11 hours) next week. LHR-SIN (14 hours) next month, LHR-BOG (12 hours) in November and I'm thinking about a jaunt to Boston over the Christmas break (LHR-BOS 7.5 hours). No set of bluetooth headphones could last the duration considering that they'd also end up getting an hour or so use at LHR

      I'm more passionate about the 1/8" jack than any human really ought to be, but this isn't true. I have a pair of Sony WH-1000xm2 headphones, and they have a legit battery life of 25 hours.

      But still that leaves plenty of problems with removing the headphone jack.

    4. Re:More than one perspective by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No set of bluetooth headphones could last the duration

      As someone who flies AMS to SYD frequently enough I have to say you are definitely buying the wrong headphones if you can't make it last LHR to LAX.

    5. Re:More than one perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that...

      The phone already has Bluetooth so removing the jack reduces the production-cost with a few cents but at the same time forces users to buy new expensive accessories.

      How often can you increase profits by removing features?

  16. Delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once again android handsets copy Apple. I love watching the google fanboys lose their minds.

  17. Better battery life... by grahamtriggs · · Score: 2

    Personally, I get enough battery life out of a OnePlus 5. A little more would be nice, but it's not that important on the phone.

    Of course, what helps battery life is turning off unnecessary wireless connections - like wifi, and even bluetooth when you don't need it. And they'll be delivering Android 9, which should improve matters further.

    Where I do have a problem with battery life is on wireless headsets - you just can't get anything that I am comfortable with wearing that has more than 8 hours continuous battery life.

    When I'm travelling long distances, I'll use *wired* headsets - in order to improve my "battery life". So removing the 3.5" jack for slightly better battery life on the phone isn't solving any problems that I have. It is simply creating one.

  18. Don't believe it by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, I don't believe it. The footprint of a headphone jack next to the USB jack isn't going to give any meaningful improvement in battery size opportunity.

    How about make the stupid phone 1 or 2 mm *THICKER*. That would make a huge difference in cubic space available for a bigger battery. And now poll consumers- which would you rather have:

    1) Crazy thin with headphone jack and X battery life

    2) Crazy thin with NO headphone jack and X + 20 min more battery life

    3) 2mm thicker with headphone jack and X + 20 HOURS more battery life.

    Of course, I am making up the numbers, but you get the idea.

    1. Re:Don't believe it by thedarb · · Score: 1

      You gotta pump those numbers up! Those are rookie numbers! ;)

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  19. Congratulations, idiots. by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You just traded my interest, for lack of interest.

    Don't follow some idiot fad from Apple. Possible the most ubiquitous plug across the entire planet and you omit it?

    Power varies in shape, voltage across the planet.
    USB? I dunno, it might rival the audio jack, maybe for install numbers.

    I don't want to charge headphones, I don't want to use USB-C headphones, I want to use the plethora (plethora!) of headphones I have, I want to be able to use /dirt cheap/ crap spare ones in my work drawer or work bag. I want to be able to pay $5 at the airport for a crap pair when I forget mine at home before a fight.

    I have no interest in bluetooth / wireless audio. I LIKE the cable.

    Nope, no sale. I will not.

  20. on the philosophy of removing features by v1 · · Score: 1

    "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

    An oldie but a goodie perfectly demonstrates how adding features can be a slippery slope into the dump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    1. Re:on the philosophy of removing features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away."

      In other words:

      "A designer knows he has achieved perfection when there is nothing left."

    2. Re:on the philosophy of removing features by msauve · · Score: 1

      So, form over function. If you agree, throw your phone away to achieve the ultimate in bezel-less, thin design.

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    3. Re:on the philosophy of removing features by v1 · · Score: 1

      Well it sometimes follows the "throw it all on the wall and see what sticks". IE "add all sorts of features, and then only keep the best" It's difficult to predict what will be a hit and what will work well, vs what sounded good but nobody liked and what would be great if you could pull it off but never came together.

      Bigger orgs like MS have problems with this, they seem to have a problem with bloat. I suspect it's a cultural / organizational thing where there's too much "feature set by committee" and nobody has enough power to say "kill that". That's exactly what the video I linked above is mocking.

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  21. "we launched our Bullets Wireless headphones" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Answer is in the blurb. "We found 59% of our community already owned wireless headphones earlier this year - and that was before we launched our Bullets Wireless headphones."

    1. Re:"we launched our Bullets Wireless headphones" by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      Which means they're alienating 4!% of their customers.

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    2. Re:"we launched our Bullets Wireless headphones" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which means they're alienating 41% of their customers.

      No, that's not necessarily true. We start with that 59% had wireless headphones. The balance would have to be split between people that used wired headphones, and those not using headphones at all. Even then the wired headphones people would be split again between those that used the 1/8" jack and those that use a USB-C headset. I'll grant that the choices of USB-C headphones is still small but this is changing. There is also the ability to use headphones that have a 1/8" jack with the adapter.

      For me I put the adapter on a pair of headphones and forget about it. That is until I want to use a different set and have to move the adapter. I have a small and light pair for keeping in my book bag, and a heavy sound insulating pair for when I mow the lawn or do other noisy activity. I could keep moving the adapter, eventually buy a USB-C headset, or pay the $9 to get another adapter so I have one for each. It sucks a bit but this is something that the industry will resolve eventually. As will I, just like with the death of the micro-B chargers. I didn't much like having a switch in the charger port but the micro-B was an improvement over what was used before, and USB-C is another improvement.

      The only constant is change. Deal with it.

    3. Re:"we launched our Bullets Wireless headphones" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      That's great if you don't have 10 other devices with the jack you want to use the headphones with.

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    4. Re:"we launched our Bullets Wireless headphones" by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      You forget about people like me who both have bluetooth headphones but who also still want to have a headphone jack.

  22. Stupid iPhone pandering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's all.

  23. My usage by sjbe · · Score: 1

    So you use the headphone jack.

    No. The last time I actually plugged a set of headphones into my own smartphone was about 4-5 years ago and I can probably count on my fingers the total number of times I've ever used ear buds since I started using a smartphone. I have a set of bluetooth headphones if I want to listen to something privately. My car also has bluetooth and USB so the headphone jack is completely unnecessary to me. I don't listen to music or other sound when I work or exercise. The removal of the jack from my smartphone didn't affect my work flow at all. I used the word "seldom" to be truthful but I could have said "never" and it would have been accurate enough.

  24. Waaaah! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    We want our tangling wires!

    1. Re:Waaaah! by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I can't spend 5 seconds untangling a wire!

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  25. OnePlus by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Bought my kid a OnePlus 3 and wished I had one myself. Wired headphones get lost / broken easily enough in our house (real life in a family), I have no interest in dealing with four sets of cordless headphones as well, no way I want to trade it for less quality on top of that. Between phones, tablets, game controllers, battery packs I already have around 12 devices to charge from night to night. No way I want to manage chargeable headphones. I guess I won't be buying OnePlus any longer.

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  26. Bad arguments by sjbe · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    They're idiots, all. It's not a "headphone jack," it's an analog audio jack.

    It's used almost exclusively as a headphone jack by 99%+ of users. You are technically correct but calling it a headphone jack isn't actually wrong.

    It works with headphones, but having bluetooth headphones doesn't help with connecting a phone to an older car or a stereo.

    You can buy a bluetooth adapter with a 3.5mm jack to give any device this capability for less than $20. I did this with an older truck of mine that had a 3.5mm jack but no bluetooth. And it's a LOT easier to deal with that plugging in a loose audio cable to my phone every time I get in the vehicle.

    BT audio is more complex, costly, and inconvenient.

    Oh bullshit. The cost differential is a few dollars at most and your smartphone is going to have bluetooth anyway. It's not complex and it's actually FAR more convenient in a lot of use cases. Personally I absolutely hate wrangling cords which is ironic since I make wire harnesses for a living.

    And the "we traded a jack for more battery life" is pure and simple bullshit.

    Not really sure how you came to this conclusion. If they pulled out the jack and dedicated that space budget to a batter then it is the absolute truth. It's going to be a marginal improvement but it's one I personally would take every time since I don't use the jack. Obviously others feel the same way.

    The DAC in that adapter sucks way more battery than the infinitesimal bit gained by removing the jack.

    That is nothing more than an assumption on your part without evidence provided to back it up.

    1. Re:Bad arguments by fluffernutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe you are an ultra organized person, but if you have a family dongles get lost. Four family members with four devices means you need at least eight dongles so there are enough around. Also, you must be expecting to buy one a month because kids will lose them; you can damage control by teaching them responsibility but they will get lost. No fucking thanks.

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    2. Re:Bad arguments by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, bluetooth sound quality is compromised because the bluetooth audio signal is compressed. Play a FLAC on your phone if you want, it won't get to the headphones.

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    3. Re:Bad arguments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you are an ultra organized person, but if you have a family dongles get lost. Four family members with four devices means you need at least eight dongles so there are enough around. Also, you must be expecting to buy one a month because kids will lose them; you can damage control by teaching them responsibility but they will get lost. No fucking thanks.

      It's amazing how quickly things stop getting lost when you make the kids pay for replacing them.

    4. Re:Bad arguments by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      When they are old enough to work, I will.

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    5. Re:Bad arguments by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      It doesn't change the point.. Why would I get them a phone that requires dongles when I can see it will be a problem for them? I would still recommend against it. If they insist, then you're right, they should have to pay for parts replacement.

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    6. Re:Bad arguments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you need to charge BT, so no, it is inconvenient. More things can fail, more difficult to repair. and more difficult to troubleshoot. better chance that some data may escape to others you don't trust.

      Bluetooth drains battery. I am not gonna argue that with an idiot.

    7. Re:Bad arguments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not necessarily true. If your headphones support AAC, for instance, and you're playing native AACs, I believe the system doesn't waste time double-compressing the signal, it just passes the AAC straight through.

      In any case, most people can't tell the difference, and more importantly, most people can't tell the difference on their PHONES, which are usually streaming audio at a fairly low quality anyway. If you're playing FLACs or ALACs on your phone, you should consider whether you're using the right tool for the job anyway. You probably want to plug your phone into a pre-amp and get some actually nice headphones, rather than trying to get great sound quality with mediocre headphones or earbuds while you're standing on a bus.

      Everyone is interested in audio fidelity from their phone, then they do everything possible to undermine the actual quality in real-world situations and complain that bluetooth "doesn't sound as good". Guess what: your phone never sounded good in the first place, and spending a lot on headphones that are ultimately under-powered doesn't help that.

    8. Re:Bad arguments by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I don't care whether I can tell the difference or not. I want to be able to do everything I can to get the best quality I can. Bluetooth I know is going to reduce the quality. AAC is not lossless, that's all I care about.

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    9. Re:Bad arguments by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Maybe you are an ultra organized person, but if you have a family dongles get lost. Four family members with four devices means you need at least eight dongles so there are enough around. Also, you must be expecting to buy one a month because kids will lose them; you can damage control by teaching them responsibility but they will get lost. No fucking thanks.

      Then you take each and every headphone they have stick the dongle on that and tape up the connection. Dongles are only an annoyance if you treat them as a separate thing. If you treat it as something that always was a part of the cable, it's no longer a dongle, just a part of the cable.

      Likewise leave it in your car, too.

      I've looked at my phones and had to blow pocket lint out of the headphone ports. Years worth - apparently I never used them as much as I thought I would've. But I also know that's fine for me, so eliminating the jack is a worthwhile compromise, given my actual use case shows it just gathers lint and dirt and dust.

    10. Re: Bad arguments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you kidding? My son wasted a good $40 on charging cables since he's gotten his iPhone 8 Plus. Its been 4 months. That's a cable a month gone. He has a job and buys them.

    11. Re: Bad arguments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I play FLACs using mid range audiophile earbuds while I walk along a quiet green area pedestrian path on my commute. Yes, I can hear the difference between that and "high quality" AAC/mp3; reduced bandwidth bluetooth transcoding on top of that I shudder to think about. Your shitty worst-case to justify replacing something cheap that just works with expensive needless trash is not everyones use case. Oneplus is crossed off my list, they jumped the shark a couple of versions back anyway; now they're expensive needless trash.

    12. Re:Bad arguments by lgw · · Score: 1

      The LG Flagship has a headphone jack and an audiophile DAC. The disease hasn't spread quite everywhere yet.

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    13. Re: Bad arguments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but we can't all afford a new phone every few months. I'm on my 6th v10 and hopefully I'll replace it even the new phones come out.

    14. Re:Bad arguments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not complex and it's actually FAR more convenient in a lot of use cases. Personally I absolutely hate wrangling cords which is ironic since I make wire harnesses for a living.

      So you already had bluetooth in your phone and could use it the way you want.. Fine if you don't care for a headphone-jack but there is a lot of users that still need it.

      You are an idiot for not understanding that different people have different needs.

  27. My headphones have a jack. ZERO reasons! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are zero reasons that I will benefit, and a multitude of reasons that I don't want the device. Problem solved, for both of us!

  28. Guess I'm not buying by schklerg · · Score: 1

    The 3T is great. I won't be buying the 6T. Idiots.

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  29. Non-problems by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The only reason there is no headset jack and an ugly, losable dongle is to strongly compel people to fork out for expensive wireless earbuds.

    "Expensive"? You CAN pay a lot if you want to but it's hardly a requirement. You can get wireless earbuds for less than $20. The price differential with wired earbuds of similar quality is generally minimal if you bother to do any shopping.

    As for losing the dongle, how would you do that? If you have one that you use you're going to put it on your headphone jack and probably leave it there. You're about as likely to lose your headphones as you are the dongle. I will agree however that dongles are a shitty hack "solution" and that a better solution would be to integrate the headphone jack into the case for people who want the capability.

    And actually there are other reasons to remove the jack besides cynical merchandising. For one, a lot of people don't actually use the jack. I'm one of them. It's a complete waste of space in a phone for me. Obviously many people do use them but millions more are existing quite happily without the jack. It's a single tasking relic of an interface on a device with a tight space budget. It's not hard to think of alternatives uses for the space. If it's important to you then by all means get a phone that has one but please don't pretend it is any sort of universal requirement.

    1. Re:Non-problems by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Yes expensive. Most phones come with earbuds included for the princely sum of $0 on the price of the phone. Even if they didn't, then chances are people have some laying around. Even if they were FORCED to buy a pair, $20 would acquire a very reasonable set. Configuring those earbuds is quite easy too - plug them in.

      Conversely, I'm sure you could obtain a shitty pair of bluetooth earbuds for $20 but more likely you're spending a lot more, on top of which now you have two devices to charge, inferior lossy sound quality (pay a premium if you want aptX) and the added hassle of pairing the devices together.

      More to the point, removing a 3.5mm jack is just a cynical attempt to upsell customers to branded earbuds. Nothing else. That little fingernail's worth of internal space is negligible compared to the utility of the feature.

  30. Not that common by sjbe · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Don't follow some idiot fad from Apple. Possible the most ubiquitous plug across the entire planet and you omit it?

    A fad indicates that it will eventually pass. Tens of millions of phones are being sold every year without the headphone jack. It's not coming back so I suggest you get over it. It's a single tasking and relatively large connector which makes very little sense on a machine with a tight space budget and acceptable replacement options available.

    USB? I dunno, it might rival the audio jack, maybe for install numbers.

    "Rival"? Try vastly exceeds. Almost every low power device I have has a USB port. Computers, cameras, headphones, chargers, mice, keyboards, tablets, smartphones, etc. You know how many of my devices have a 3.5mm audio jack? Maybe 3. My oldest car, an ancient amplifier and one of my older PC monitors. Maybe I'm forgetting one but you get the point. You are hugely overestimating the ubiquity of this particular port. If you need it there are plenty of ways to connect to one even with devices that don't have the port. Bluetooth and USB adaptors are widely available and cheap.

    I have no interest in bluetooth / wireless audio. I LIKE the cable.

    That's a perfectly valid choice but please don't pretend the rest of us should have to go along with it.

    1. Re:Not that common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just counting things here with 3.5mm jacks..

      For outputs:
      My current phone (and previous 6 ones since about 2005.. before 2005 i had a Ericsson T25 that required a dongle)
      My private laptop
      My work laptop
      My stationary computer
      My DAC amp i use for my stationary computer
      My home-cinema amplifier
      My bedroom amplifier
      My tablet
      My old Mp3 player from 2001

      Things with a analog input:
      - My phone
      - My amplifier in the bedroom, like playback from my phone. (from 2015)
      - My amplifier in the living-room (from 2017).
      - My Harman Kardon Onyx bluetooth(!!!!) speaker.
      - My stationary computer
      - Every headset, that's still working, i have received with each phone.
      - Every cheap, that's still working, ($1-5) headset i bought when i forgot to bring one.
      - Every good head-set i have ( Sennheiser, Bose QC-15 / QC-25 )
      - Some cheapo gaming headset that's comfortable when talking on the phone or gaming.

      Things that i can connect with bluetooth:
      - My work-laptop (stream from)
      - My private-laptop (stream from)
      - My stationary computer (stream from)
      - Amplifier in my livingroom (stream to)
      - Harman kardon onyx speaker (stream from/to for conference calls)
      - Bluetooth headset that i bought to use when running/biking etc.. Used it for about a month until i got tired of always having to charge it's batteries. (about 3 hours of playback per charge)

      Whenever i want to connect any of these together it takes 2 seconds by plugging in a cable instead of having to re-pair and/or select the correct bluetooth output device.. I also do not have to worry about that my phone connects to the wrong one and starts playing a phone-call on my amplifier instead of the headset, or switching to the amp just because my headset ran out of battery.

      The benefits with bluetooth are:
      - No wires
      - Can stream audio from my phone from the sofa to the amplifier or from phone to car-stereo.
      - You don't have to to roll up the wire before putting it in a bag. (to prevent tangled up cables)
      The downsides of bluetooth:
      - Expensive compared to what you get with a set of wired headphones.
      - Additional batteries in every device.. These do fail after some time.
      - Too short battery time on light-weight headphones. (2-4 hours talk-time).. Not enough for a normal work-day.
      - Charging everything seperatly. Not fun when traveling and having to bring multiple chargers.
      - Not easy to use if you want to switch between different sources/destinations.
      - Not easy to quickly borrow a set of headsets (over-ear, not in-ear) since you need to do pairing.
      - Not fun when running out of battery when on a call. (Especially when driving)

      The thing is that we already had bluetooth, and the benefits that comes with it... Now they are removing the jack and forcing all the downsides with bluetooth on us.. Why not keep both and let us use each technology where it makes the most sense?

    2. Re:Not that common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And forgot... It's quite nice to be able to plug in my QC-25 to the entertainment system on flights instead of the crap headphones you get.. Noise-cancelling plus comfortable and still usable with my phone when i just want to turn on some music and go to sleep.

    3. Re:Not that common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop pretending the rest of the world is interested in your bluetooth headphones. Bluetooth is objectively worse than wired in all categories across the board except one: Convenience when you're moving about.

  31. Because aren't used as phones anymore by havana9 · · Score: 1

    Current devices are used by a lot of people to access Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Rarely are used as phones, so have an headphone jack is of lesser utility. On the other hand older analogue and GSM cellphones didn't normally had a 3,5 mm jack, but used a propietary connector for connecting headphones and mic, some used a 2,5 mm jack to save space, but the idea to have an external headphone and mouthpiece is natural for a telephone.
    If you think them as a spying devices on the other hand.. .

  32. Bluetooth = more consumption, not more capacity? by Beamboom · · Score: 1

    Better battery capacity... But wouldn't bluetooth transmission consume more power than what is earnt from a slightly bigger battery? Or would that even out with not having to do the D/A conversion inside the phone?

  33. Wut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For Pei, it's about timing, and creating the best smartphone experience.

    How is devaluing the utility of my phone by making an everyday activity impossible "creating the best experience"?

  34. BT vs Wires?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously curious - it seems my current phone is a battery hog with bluetooth on and constantly transmitting the way it needs to for headphones. Does running the bluetooth transmitter actually drain the battery less than wired phones?

    If they REALLY want to save battery, how about not transmitting my location, heading, speed, acceleration, inclination, and anything the microphone picks up back to home base every 2 seconds.

  35. Can't help but wonder... by gchat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    that this whole jack removal thing is somehow industry forced. Maybe a requirement for 1+ to sell their device (for the first time) via a major US carrier? I can understand the reasons to remove the SD card slot and for non-removable batteries, even though I don't agree, but regarding the headphone jack there is literally no reason at all (more space, outdated tech is just... laughable) except one... DRM.
    Also, 1+ plus knows the majority of their customers are power users which won't accept this change lightly. They also ridiculed themselves (just like Google did) because they followed this trend only a few months after mocking their competitors for doing so. So either Pei was somehow forced to it make this change or he is a complete idiot. I don't think the latter is true.
    Doesn't excuse his action though...

    1. Re:Can't help but wonder... by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      I don't buy DRM as the reason to remove the headphone jack. What did Apple (who started this no-jack idiocy) do a few years ago? Going against the entire music industry at the time, it removed the DRM from all music in iTunes.

  36. One for the Plug, and One for the Load. by dohzer · · Score: 1

    Oh well... I guess I'll buy this phone for its other features, and keep my old phone for calls, videos, music, browsing, finance, games, and a few other things.

  37. More battery life by gringer · · Score: 2

    You know what else gives a better battery life?

    A thicker battery. In other words, something that's thicker than the enclosure of a headphone jack.

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  38. "Proper" cameras by sjbe · · Score: 1

    If you do a lot of photography then buy a proper camera.

    Already have a Sony A9 but thanks for the unhelpful suggestion.

    There are lots of times where a smartphone is FAR more useful than the best "proper" camera. Every pro photographer uses their smartphone camera routinely. Smartphones are more compact and light, take better than decent quality images and video under many circumstances, are unobtrusive, have VASTLY better capabilities for sharing and backing up images, bigger and better screens than any "proper camera", far better interfaces for point and shoot, and more besides. As the saying goes the best camera is the one you have with you and I ALWAYS have my smartphone with me but I'm not lugging a 3kg full frame mirrorless camera + lens everywhere I go. "Proper cameras" are can get better images if you work at it but smartphones have totally kicked their ass in the low end of the market.

    Honestly the major camera makers (Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc) are seriously dropping the ball with regard to interface and image sharing on pro grade and enthusiast grade cameras. They are universally terrible without exception regardless of brand. I shoot Sony and their menu system is horrendous but Canon and Nikon and the rest aren't meaningfully better. And the options for getting photos off your phone to a PC where you can use them are even worse. My camera actually has a built in RJ45 ethernet jack but the only thing you can do with it is to FTP the files. No automatic backup via wifi, minimal or clumsy geostamping, poor integration with tablets/smartphones, terrible interface software. Smartphones killed the point and shoot and are hurting the "pro" camera market because they have made the workflows for actually using pictures absurdly bad. They still expect you to pull out the SD card and transfer them like we are back in the days of floppy disks. Hell, my $4000 camera doesn't even have USB-C or USB3 for fucks sake.

    1. Re:"Proper" cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Already have a Sony A9 [wikipedia.org] but thanks for the unhelpful suggestion.

      That's not a proper camera that's bait for fools with more money than sense.

      There are lots of times where a smartphone is FAR more useful than the best "proper" camera. Every pro photographer uses their smartphone camera routinely.

      What a load of bullshit. No way I'm going to wade though this. I'm just so curious if you are actually the air-headed yuppie you portray or if this is a LARP.

    2. Re:"Proper" cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>Every pro photographer uses their smartphone camera routinely.

      Stopped reading here.

    3. Re:"Proper" cameras by sjbe · · Score: 1

      Stopped reading here.

      Good.

  39. "wireless headphone owner" does NOT equal "user wh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But "wireless headphone owner" does NOT equal "user who doesn't care if their phone has a headphone jack"! I own wireless headphones, it doesn't mean I also don't care about the ability to plug into the several non-BT audio systems I regularly use!

  40. Never Settle by lexman098 · · Score: 1

    Never Settle

  41. Analog hole is dead by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

    The analog hole is now dead. There's few of us left who care.

    This isn't just happening with cell phones. Browsing motherboards on newegg I keep finding ones that support 5.1 or 7.1 surround but only have a stereo out jack, instead of the usual 3 or 4. I guess they figure on using HDMI for audio?

    1. Re:Analog hole is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      total population control down the road, too many joe six pack everywhere doom will commence but then there is no spoon as this all is virtual space created by something that we have no understanding off

    2. Re:Analog hole is dead by Ormy · · Score: 1

      Having to use three or four 3.5mm jacks to get 5.1/7.1 audio was a genuine nuisance (I went to optical S/PDIF as soon I could), consolidating them all PLUS the video signal into one HDMI cable is great, utilising digital because the receiving device has its own power for DAC etc. Oneplus ditching 3.5mm jack is totally different, I don't want to rely on my earphones having power, charging batteries is a bigger hassle than having the cable.

  42. Apple or Samsung by sjbe · · Score: 1

    LG tried something similar with the G5 and it wasn't a big hit. I don't know the reason. Probably because the phone itself didn't sell too well.

    I would imagine because they didn't do it right and didn't make a big deal out of it. I wasn't aware they had even bothered to try. Realistically it would probably have to be Apple or Samsung or Google to get involved to really make it a reality - nobody else has the market share or brand cache including LG. Ideally it would be Apple since they are the main trend setter but I don't see Apple doing it because they seem to think expandability and customer choice are the work of the devil and they treat cases and other accessories as afterthoughts if they bother at all. (their battery case is a HORRIBLE design) Doing what I suggest involves building an ecosystem which isn't easy.

    1. Re:Apple or Samsung by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      The moto z play has an expansion port with cases that take advantage of it. Expansion ports never take off.

  43. Re:It might be true that 59% own wireless headphon by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    Smart people carry a bag of every dongle they might need with them, apparently.

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  44. But I like my Etymotic wired earbuds!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They work at the gym, they work on the motorcycle, they work when i'm doing yard work, they just plan work.
    Leave the damn headphone jack!!!

    so if I want earphones I have to worry about charging two devices not just one. Yeah that's progress.

  45. Bluetooth mods vs. all other uses by DrYak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can mod your own car.
    (Personally, I've added two such gadgets, a similar to my mother-in-law's car, and one using the car manufacturer's proprietary connect on my mother's car)

    But you won't by yourself modify every single analog only device, specially all those that you don't own :
      - rental cars (these tend to be old and with as few options as possible)
      - the speaker set at a friend's appartment when they throw a party, and some iPhone user want to stream their playlist instead of the friend's laptop's.

    Also, bluetooth won't share sound (e.g.: two users watching s movie from the same tablet in a plane). Only some bluetooth headsets from some manufacturers are able to forward the sound stream to another headset *from the same exact brand*. We you and your girlfriend happen to have noise cancel headphone from two different manufacturers (say Bose and Logitech UE), you can't listen simultaneously. Whereas the analog cable doesn't give a fuck what brand is the other headset plugged into the other leg of the Y audio splitter.

    etc.

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    1. Re:Bluetooth mods vs. all other uses by registrations_suck · · Score: 0

      But you won't by yourself modify every single analog only device, specially all those that you don't own :

        - rental cars (these tend to be old and with as few options as possible)
        - the speaker set at a friend's appartment when they throw a party, and some iPhone user want to stream their playlist instead of the friend's laptop's.

      Uh....did you look at what I posted? It's just a little BT received that plugs into the stereo's aux port, just like an audio cable. You can easily plug it into anything you'd plug an audio (headphones) cable into.

      Also, bluetooth won't share sound (e.g.: two users watching s movie from the same tablet in a plane).

      If you have a specialized need like this, again, the solution is easy. You get a BT transmitter that sends to two devices, like this:

      https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...

      I happen to already own one (bought for use with my TV). Plug your lightning to headphones dongle into it, and then use two pair of WHATEVER headphones you want. Easy peasy.

      Now, I will grant you, spending $60 on something like that is unappealing (there may be cheaper ones for all I know), but if you've already spent a couple of thousand on phones for you and your girlfriend, plus tickets for the flight to wherever you're going, what's another $60?

      Of course, if you want to use your wired headphones, all you have to do is plug the lightning to headphones dongle into the y-splitter, and the headphones into that.

      I just don't see the issue. People just want to bitch.

    2. Re:Bluetooth mods vs. all other uses by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      No, people want a perfectly useful and functional part of their device to be left there, not to have to buy extra pieces of hardware to provide an inferior replacement. Next you'll be suggesting people should buy a new car to accommodate the idiotic decisions of hardware manufacturers. After all what's a few thousand bucks when you've already spent all that money on a phone?

    3. Re:Bluetooth mods vs. all other uses by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      I just don't see the issue. People just want to bitch.

      Remember all the people who said they'd only buy a phone with a Physical Keyboard "I want a physical keyboard!" They are still around, but don't use a phone with a Physical Keyboard.

      It is like that. People want what they want, but settle for things they'd rather have (battery life, thinner size, bigger screens ...)

      Noise.

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    4. Re: Bluetooth mods vs. all other uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't want a thinner phone or a bigger screen. It's a phone. There are limits to its useful size and dimensions, which have been reached. It's already thin enough, why does it need to be thinner? Increase the battery life whenever you could make it thinner instead. All I want is the existing audio socket. I dont want a clumsy extra bit of hardware sticking out the bottom of the phone, or a short battery life, heavy, low quality audio wireless headphone. No doubt if you were told the next generation of phones came with penis slicing ability, you'd want that too.

    5. Re:Bluetooth mods vs. all other uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just don't see the issue. People just want to bitch.

      You don't see the issue..

      Well, there are quite a few of us that don't like the dongle-fest that manufacturer after manufacturer are joining..

      A few issues with removing the headphone-jack and going with just BT/dongles
      - Separate batteries in the headset, and those are usually quite small... Never seen one that lasts 8 hours of continuous use..
      - When using headphones with noise-cancelling i can live with the noise-cancelling running out of batteries and be able to continue listening without it.
      - Using dongles to connect wired headphones takes up quite a bit of space, and requires you to bring an additional thing.
      - The dongles costs quite a bit of money.. new phone requires a new set of dongles.
      - You have to carry around the charger for the headset if you use them more than 3-4 hours per day. (AirPods state up to 5 hours, but in real-life it's more like 3.5-4)
      - You have to re-pair your headphones to every single device you want to use them at instead of just plugging in a cable.. Office-computer, phone, private computer, tablet and so on.. Not that much fun if you are on a call and want to connect to your headset.
      - We already had BT in phones that allowed people, that it worked for, to use BT headsets.. Removing the jack just makes it a hassle for the rest of us.

      With headphone-jack you just grab a random set of headphones and connect them.. You never run out of battery before the phone runs out.... The price for a cheap headset starts around $0.5, so if you forgot your good ones you can just buy a temporary cheap replacement.
      And a big one... With wired headsets you only have to charge one thing..

      To sum it up... Removing the headphone-jack did add any new benefit for users, it just removes a lot of functionality.

      Been a OnePlus user since the first one came out, even when they skipped NFC, but getting rid of the headphone-jack makes the phone unusable as a daily driver for me.

    6. Re: Bluetooth mods vs. all other uses by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      People like you aren't a big enough of a market to drive "Flagship" smart phones. You're the bottom trailing edge of people who would do well with a flip phone. There is a relatively large selection on Amazon, for under $100 (US). Most, if not all, have the headset jack, and long battery life. After all, "Its a phone" until you want something more, like a pocket computer with data.

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  46. No FM radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oneplus never had FM radio support. So it was already off my list. So don't care about them.

  47. Oppo by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    They didn't "start" OnePlus...Oppo did, and, still makes ALL the OnePlus phones. As for the user experience, Oppo's oneplus phones are nothing more than beta test devices for more expensive Oppo phones. They have the users do the testing. They ARE getting better, but still lack in a good out of the box/new experience. Too many bugs/patches/updates to get it to work properly. It started out as a cheaper high quality phone, but the price now is to the point you can get a better phone for almost the same price.

  48. Freeing up space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is like saying they had a layoff that freed workers up to do better things.

  49. No Jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No BUY!

  50. Using the existing USB port by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Fun fact, in a manner of speaking, we already have a way to do this.USB ports on the bottom of the phone.

    True but it's not an ideal way to do it and the phones were never designed with that in mind. It also requires making a rather fragile pass through connection so you can charge your phone which shouldn't be necessary. It's something of a clumsy hack rather than a purposeful design. I'd like to see something purpose built to take full advantage of the idea without messing up the form factor (think electric contacts flush with the case with a sort of magsafe technology connector). That said, I'd certainly take using the existing USB/Lightning ports over nothing at all.

  51. Oh please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The DAC on any phone probably costs a whole $0.02 to manufacture, and you're being snobbish about sound quality? You're not going to get audiophile quality sound out of that, no matter what flac file you play through it.

    1. Re:Oh please. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I don't need to add unnecessary bottlenecks either.

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    2. Re: Oh please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It turns out that DACs capable of reproducing human audible frequencies with minimal distortion aren't that expensive to produce in solid state form, especially when driving earbuds. Maybe, just maybe, your $$$$ unicorn sparkles and marketshite engraved walnut usb valve DAC had a function to extract money from idiots?

  52. Time to drop OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunate to be honest. I've been using their phones since the One. Now, their phones are just cheap Apple knock offs. Looks like I'll be doing some research for a new manufacturer that allows me to unlock the boot loader.

  53. Better battery life? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Why not make it 1mm thicker and keep the headphone jack?

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  54. jesus now oneplus has fallen for this BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and what a lousy excuse, as others have pointed out just increasing the thickness a slight amount you could have a super battery

  55. And no actual numbers for the increase... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Numbers of hours increase or this is FUD/marketing lies.

    And I'm also of the thought that if the headphone jack + amplifier take up that much space then I'd rather have a phone that was much thicker than many current flagship phones and have an extra day of battery life.

  56. List of phones with a jack by Stonefish · · Score: 1

    Is it possible to get a list of phones which incorporate a headphone jack which are currently on sale.
    A headphone jack is a feature that I would like to have.
    Reviewers get your heads out of your arses and give phones without headphone jacks a bad review.

  57. Everyone Copies Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The smartphone space is desperate for new ideas; so desperate that they copy things (see "the notch") that sometimes add nothing at all, even as they subtract from available screen space.

    So this Pei fella, he also thinks it's "courage" to remove a valuable feature. In that respect it's surprising they made the correct decision on including the larger battery! Where's the courage there, Pei??

  58. Alone by Stolovaya · · Score: 1

    Just skimming through the comments, I guess I'm the only one that really doesn't mind. I don't think I've used the headphone jack once on my OnePlus 3T. I only use bluetooth headsets, so if this comes out to a little better battery life, sounds good to me. I'll probably pick up the 6T.

  59. I couldn't care less about the headphone jack... by Geek+On+The+Hill · · Score: 1

    But if it has a non-removable battery, they can keep it. Phones without removable batteries are disposable, and I won't pay more than $50.00 for a disposable phone.

  60. Why do that when they could just cut the cord! by Xman73x · · Score: 0

    Really if your telling me this is the future of technology you gotta be joking! It seems like only in America do we have slow so called innovative ideas in the works, especially with the IPhone! And scanners to me is an invasion of privacy, I donâ(TM)t like it at all, in fact it creeps me out! Itâ(TM)s a reminder of Total Recall from 1990, and now we will see more of this?! Well forget you stupid Scientists and Engineers today with your wacko ideas I just want an ordinary cellphone without all those ridiculous contraptions and why play video games on a stupid small device?! All I would like to see is an improvement with the battery and the apps for selling on my device, And I donâ(TM)t play video games on my IPhone!

  61. Bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one thing I don't need and won't ever need is a fingerprint scanner. Give me the analog port. I don't even mind if you switch to a smaller jack and include an adapter to standard to make the phone thinner or water-tight, just include an analog audio port and halfway-decent D/A built-in.