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Is Tech Billionaires' Educational Philanthropy a Bug Or a Feature?

Long-time reader theodp writes: Some education watchers have adopted a wait-and-see response to Jeff Bezos' two-pronged $2B pledge to aid the homeless and to establish preschools for low-income children (Mark Zuckerberg's The Primary School interestingly prefers 'em even younger, noting "we admit students at or before birth"). Not so Audrey Watters, who presents her misgivings in a blog post, titled, "It's Like Amazon, But for Preschool" (tl;dr: read her URL), wondering what a chain of preschools that "use the same set of principles that have driven Amazon" might look like, considering Amazon's own labor practices. She asks, "Are private preschool chains really the path we want to pursue, particularly if we believe that access to excellent early childhood education is so incredibly crucial? Can the gig economy and the algorithm ever provide high quality preschool? For all the flaws in the public school system, it's important to remember: there is no accountability in billionaires' educational philanthropy." Sharing Watters' concerns is author Anand Giridharadas, who argues in his new book Winners Take All that the wealthy pursue social change without uprooting the systems that produce inequality. Bezos has a "a stark opportunity to be a traitor to his class, to actually think about giving in ways that transform the system atop which he stands," Giridharadas said. "It is great to be a winner who gives back. It is even better to be a winner who thinks about how winners can take less."

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  1. Are you being deliberately dense or what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Educational philanthropy has nothing to do with philanthropy. The theory of public education has only one blunt response to "why do we teach people how to read?": because they make better factory workers. So now the tech sector is attempting to shift the economy away from making stuff, and to do that they have to buy out all the schools that take kids and turn out factory workers, and replace them with code academies, GM-style.

    None of this, not a single iota of it, is actually in any way intended to help mankind.

    1. Re:Are you being deliberately dense or what by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Education by itself in its own little bottle does little to improve human kind. Those are the mythical academics who sit posh furnished college offices and debate the abstract idea of the day. No matter how smart you are if you are not contributing to the rest of the world you are useless.
      Education for the longest time had a factor of one degree or an other to prepare people to be useful to the outside world.
      Before Public Education, the masses just learned how to do what their parents did. Farming mostly. Then with the move from aquaculture to industrial the general population needed still that was one reserved for the few and rich, Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. So Public Schools were put in to insure we have a workforce able to handle the new jobs. K-8 Education was good enough to get you a job worthy middle class. High school education would get you an office job, or at least a Foreman/Supervisor role. College well that is upper management material.
      Now that we are moving from an industrial economy to a technical/service economy. K-8 is worthless, High school will get you some low end job, College Degree you may get Middle Class.
      The issue is the fact that these new jobs require less general education and more focused education. In many ways it is unfair to have kids make life decisions at an early age on what direction they should go, however if the Education System was altered to allow for more focused learning with majors before college and even high school. I expect we can get the skills needed a little easier.

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  2. Futile attempt by no-body · · Score: 2

    to soothe the guilt one feels when looking at the facts of bilking millions of normal folks for their hard earned $$'s...

    1. Re:Futile attempt by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How did Jeff Bezos bilk "millions of normal folks for their hard earned $$'s"?

      Tax abatements and shelters, lobbying for legislation that equates to special treatment, regulatory capture - you know, the typical Evil-American-Corporation stuff.

      In fairness, all that stuff is only half on him, the other half of blame lies with our elected "representatives" who would rather make sweetheart deals with corporations than actually, you know, represent their constituents.

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  3. Well by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you'd vote people to congress who'd be willing to actually tax the 1%, they wouldn't need to do this.

    1. Re:Well by pem · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Umm, no. Or yes, only if you define taxes narrowly. Social security takes a huge bite out of the poor, and the highest marginal rate is the poor schmuck who cannot earn another dollar without losing his medicaid benefits.

  4. The real question: what's the real motivation? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it being done purely to provide educational opportunities for whatever direction in life the student is interested in, or is it only to make good little workers for whoever (Bezos, in this case) is footing the bill? Beware the Privatization of Education, lest we end up with a generation that's trained like slaves would be trained, to do specific jobs not of their choosing, and to hell with whatever the students are interested in.

    1. Re:The real question: what's the real motivation? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      The real motivation.
      1. To lower his tax bill.
      2. Good PR for the Tech Billionaires
      3. Make some sort of political statement

      Trying to train kids today to be Tech Employees for your company in 20 years would be a failing goal. The industry changes too fast 20 years ago. Amazon.com sold books nearly exclusively 20 years ago. If Amazon was to do this 20 years ago to bring up future low level amazon employees, they would be focused on a Lot of Library Science Skills with some HTML and server side programming, where they would be finding ways to categorize books better.

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  5. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The bug is not how billionaires waste their money. At least someone else gets a slice of the pie. The bug is the media's excessive coverage of celebrities, including billionaires. The assumption that celebrities know more than your average expert in a field that the celebrity is not in, is pervasive and pernicious in idiot-centered celebrity culture.

  6. Food and shelter? by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    When I saw the headline 'Jeff Bezos starts $2B fund for the homeless' I assumed he was going to feed and shelter them. Why would he be allowed to have his own preschool curriculum when this is already laid out by people who know much much more about childhood education? If he wants to open preschools, that's great, but stick to the current curriculum. Anything else is just scary.

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    1. Re:Food and shelter? by JeffOwl · · Score: 2

      ... Why would he be allowed to have his own preschool curriculum when this is already laid out by people who know much much more about childhood education? If he wants to open preschools, that's great, but stick to the current curriculum. Anything else is just scary.

      Because public schools today are just so overly awesome there couldn't possibly be room for improvement, right? We just need to throw more money at them. Or maybe, with those billions of dollars he might just do what a lot of rich, successful people do and hire some folks who know what they are doing to manage the details. Now, he may very well have some ideas of his own about what sort of things youngsters might need to know in order to grow up to be successful, you know, being rich and successful himself. But then that would imply that a person would have some potential ability to have an impact on their own success in life, but we probably don't want to go there.

  7. Yes it is. by houghi · · Score: 5, Informative

    The answer is yes.

    The bug is that you have an education where help is needed from outside.
    The feature is that programs like these can be used as a tax deduction and/or a way to influence.

    Having companies have influence in schools is something that is bad, as far as I can see it. When I was young, representatives of TetraPack came to the schools to explain to the kids how their package was better than bottles. Yep, throweing was away better than keeping it.

    I was too young to doubt adults, so I believed them. No doubt that many other kids did the same. The goal was that the kids would talk at home how they learned about this great new way of throwing away things was better than old fashioned glass. (Better for the enviroment as well, somehow)

    So kids where used directly to influence.

    I do not trust companies about the information they give me as an adult. They have been lyinh and cheating enough for me not to trust them. So I certainly not trust them in educating these small humans.

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  8. Add more income brackets by Atmchicago · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here are the tax brackets in the US. Why stop at 37% for income greater than $500,000? We could several more brackets, for example:
    1. 45% for income greater than $1 million
    2. 65% for income greater than $10 million
    3. 85% for income greater than $100 million.

    Then, maybe we could fund our civic institutions without having to resort to "charity" from billionaires, and in a way which is held accountable. Even more effective, however, would probably be to root out tax evasion and offshore banking.

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    1. Re:Add more income brackets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is that people with over $1 million annual revenue seldom have "income"... they have at best capital gains... often those are overseas and in tax shelters. Many "buy" things with "loans" which they "default" on by loosing a security (stock or a bond). The have huge cash flows with no tax liability. Magic how that works.

      Once you can afford to pay your accounts and lawyers $100k/year, taxes seem to disappear.

      Oh, they do pay for lobbying congress and buying local politicians however. That isn't cheap.

    2. Re:Add more income brackets by avandesande · · Score: 2

      No shit what does OP think they deposit millions of dollar in their checking account?

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    3. Re:Add more income brackets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      no wealthy individual pays that 37 percent rate. with deductions, exemptions, loopholes and funneling money overseas, they pay much, much less. less as a percentage of gross income than most with incomes far less.

      one high-profile example: warren buffet (who i suspect plays 'by the book' with regards to taxes, with no shady bullshit conjured up by wall street criminals) is noted as saying his secretary pays higher percentage of income to tax than he does. (buffet has also said people like him should pay more)

      (and don't forget about capital gains rates. most wealthy get the majority of their 'income' from investments that are taxed at that much lower rate)

    4. Re:Add more income brackets by turbidostato · · Score: 2

      "Here's the problem with that: if you ACTUALLY manage to tax those people at those levels they'll find a way to move away from the taxation, either by moving their business to somewhere with more reasonable taxation levels, fraud, or reducing their business to a tax level they're comfortable with."

      Here's the problem with that: yours is a nice theory. What about hard facts? All along the 50's top tax stayed at 90%. Repeat with me: 90%. Did the rich guys fly to Germany, Australia, Japan, UK...? nope!

      More: the year before Ronald Reagan reached White House, top rate still was 70% The news? no richmen rush out of USA.

      That's not *if*. These are hard facts.

    5. Re:Add more income brackets by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      If you look at my original post from actual taxpayer data, you will see that the top 1% pay around 27% effective income tax rate; well above any other group of people (for example, the bottom 50% average around 3.5%). As far as Warren Buffet, Buffet does NOT have to take every tax deduction he is legally entitled to, and in fact he can donate even more if he would like. Additionally capital gains are taxed up to 20% rate, so not too much lower than the average income tax rate for the top 1% (who pay a typical income tax rate around 27%).

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    6. Re:Add more income brackets by turbidostato · · Score: 2

      You are comparing apples to oranges. Yes: today the government gets more per capita than back in the fifties... because it basically didn't collect money but from a minority.

      Today it collects much more... and the bulk of it is from middle class earning. Both the top marginal tax -and the effective percentage for people earning more than 200.000 2018 US$ is at an historical minimum -and that's what we were talking about here.

  9. Who wrote this? Bezos' PR department? by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 2

    When I firstly saw this, I thought that it was just the typical billionaire's charitable action for the usual reasons (see some of the previous posts to get ideas). After reading "a stark opportunity to be a traitor to his class, to actually think about giving in ways that transform the system atop which he stands", I have changed my mind and started building a big Bezos statute in my own living room. LOL.

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  10. Buying a Reputation by nagora · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1: Steal money off people by getting them to pay your share of the tax bill
    2: Give some of that money back as a "gift" with your name in big lights.
    3: Go back to blackmailing states to not implement minimum wage laws.
    4: Count the money!

    It's an ancient scam.

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    1. Re:Buying a Reputation by PPH · · Score: 2

      getting them to pay your share of the tax bill

      That's not how taxes work. If I do a bit of artful tax planning and manage to pay less, you don't have to pay more. The gov't just has to get by on less.

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  11. Re:Relative to what? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am not disagreeing that their are problems with today's unions. But the real issue is all the political pressure put on teachers.
    They have to walk tight ropes around History and the roll of religion, racism, the times we have done bad things and good things, then Science coverage of Evolution, Geology, and now if the earth is even round! They are politicians elected into office and the school board, who have no idea about education and push sweeping changes, trying to cut the budget. There are parents who think they are Mr(s) bigwig and try to fire the Teachers just because their kid isn't as special as they thought, or the kid needed to be punished for their actions.
    Unfortunately without the union taking a lot of the political heat for the teachers, we would just see massive turnaround in teachers, just because it would be a matter of time until anyone did something to piss someone off politically or personally.

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  12. Education is essential. by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is vital to produce better workers, yes, but it's also vital to improving life expectancy (polyglots are resistant to dementia, for example), improving democracy and preventing blind subservience promotions.

    An educated person can walk through the woods and know what is safe to eat. Yes, bushcraft is education. Those who think otherwise restrict education in order to create a category they can hate. I say can, because education isn't restrictive. Education is anything that shines a light on the ignorance and turns it to understanding.

    An educated person has the skills to learn any new skill they so choose, for their own use or any other.

    Education can never be achieved through for-profit schools. Their focus is on maximizing income, not learning.

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  13. Bezos doesn't care about the homeless by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

    If he did he wouldn't have opposed Seattle's small tax to help the homeless. https://www.vanityfair.com/new...