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Scientists Followed a Leatherback Turtle Through Hurricane Florence -- Here's What They Saw (popsci.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: At 10:00 p.m. on May 5, a team of people quietly approached a leatherback lying in the sand on the Florida beach. Working quickly while the female sea turtle laid her eggs, they drilled two small holes in the back of her shell. Through the holes they threaded zip ties, affixing a small transmitter with epoxy on the back for added security.

Over the next few months, members of the non-profit, Florida Leatherbacks, Inc, watched as Isla the sea turtle visited the beach a few more time to lay new clutches of fragile eggs in the sand, before starting her late summer migration north along the East Coast. "We're monitoring where she is right now, and it just happens to be in the middle of a hurricane," Kelly Martin says. Isla is now off the Outer Banks of North Carolina, to the north of where Hurricane Florence made landfall late last week. For a while it seemed like she would get caught in the massive storm as it slid past the coast. She wound up north of the worst of it, but still experienced rough seas over the weekend. Even before the hurricane hit, she surfaced in an area where waves reached 14 feet high.

"Turtles are air breathers, so they need to come to the surface periodically to breathe, but I suspect many dive below the surface to weather the storms," Kate Mansfield, director of the Marine Turtle Research Group at the University of Central Florida, says in an email. "I have tracked turtles through some storms in the past and never saw any sort of movement that suggested they were trying to get away from the storm (or that the storms shifted their paths). The turtles I tracked were larger juveniles -- at that size they can dive 100s of meters deep."

54 comments

  1. Only a few meters down.... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 3, Informative

    In order to avoid the wave action, a few meters below the surface is all you need to get.

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    1. Re: Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Poor thing must have been horrified by the humans drilling its shell, tagging it, and doing continuous âoesurveillanceâ on it to invade its privacy and deanonymize its wild habits.

      The big tech companies keep trying to call it âoeBig Dataâ but itâ(TM)s just âoeMass Surveillanceâ techniques applied without questioning whether itâ(TM)s legal, moral, reasonable, or even worth the money. The only reason it even gets funding is because itâ(TM)s passed off as âoeadvertising expensesâ and allowed to be written-off on the taxes.

      Big data or mass-surveillance, whatâ(TM)s your favorite name for real-time, continuous profiling from online behavior tracking that is written off as an âoeadvertising expenseâ?

    2. Re: Only a few meters down.... by modi123 · · Score: 2

      Poor thing must have been horrified by the humans drilling its shell, tagging it, and doing continuous âoesurveillanceâ on it to invade its privacy and deanonymize its wild habits.

      [...]

      Yes, I am certain this is most definitely what she was thinking, and not an anthropomorphised mischaracterization.

    3. Re:Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's the solution then, isn't it? Instead of moving further inland to escape a hurricane, people should just dive a few meters below the surface of the sea to avoid the wave action. Humans can do that. Sure, they have to surface occasionally to breathe, but in that respect humans are no different from turtles.

    4. Re:Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try running through a storm on a submarine at periscope depth. I think you'd change your mind about only needing to be a few meters below the surface to avoid the waves.

    5. Re: Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leatherback turtles are well-known for being averse to privacy invasion and mass surveillance techniques.

    6. Re: Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A submarine is not a turtle. The turtle doesn't get stressed like metal panels do. The turtle, like us, is still mostly water even the shell contains water and is a little flexible. Unlike metal that flexes and loses strength, the turtle really is made for this.

    7. Re:Only a few meters down.... by bp2179 · · Score: 1

      "I have tracked turtles through some storms in the past and never saw any sort of movement that suggested they were trying to get away from the storm (or that the storms shifted their paths). The turtles I tracked were larger juveniles -- at that size they can dive 100s of meters deep."

      Why did this bring up images of the sea turtles from Finding Nemo? Oh, man. Hey, no hurling on the shell, dude, ok? Just waxed it.

    8. Re: Only a few meters down.... by robsku · · Score: 3, Funny

      They even browse the web with javascript disabled.

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    9. Re: Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pressure is what stresses the metal. being only a few meters down(periscope depth), you still get bounced around quite a bit.

    10. Re:Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the solution then, isn't it? Instead of moving further inland to escape a hurricane, people should just dive a few meters below the surface of the sea to avoid the wave action. Humans can do that. Sure, they have to surface occasionally to breathe, but in that respect humans are no different from turtles.

      Uh, where exactly are you finding humans behaving like turtles during a hurricane, because all I see are news stories of first responders flying in to rescue these fucking morons from their rooftops after every major hurricane because they refused to evacuate.

      You don't become a species that lives hundreds of years by acting like a stupid human trying to earn a Darwin Award.

    11. Re:Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but the trouble is that if you have lungs instead of gills, it's rather hard to breathe a few meters below the surface.

    12. Re:Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your username is certainly correct.

      As a SCUBA diver, I can assure you that wave action can be felt more than "a few meters below the surface". Wikipedia claims that wave action if fair weather can be felt 5 (a 'few') to 15 (more than a few) meters below the surface (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_base) but doesn't offer data about the wave base during a storm. A quick check of scientific papers suggests that storm waves can affect the sea floor down to 100m in the area where the storm passed.

      Oh, during Hurricane Dennis (2005), the wreck of the Spiegel Grove was shifted from it's side to upright on the sea floor. That's several thousand tons of ship, at about 40m deep, being moved around.

    13. Re: Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the only solution we have to mass surveilance is to pollute the data. Make fake accounts... LOTS of them. Keep adding junk. Use forwarding. Use VPN. We are at war, so Sun Tzu says: "confuse the enemy"

    14. Re:Only a few meters down.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The major problem is that turtles need to breathe. Unlike sharks, the turtle will need to come up to the surface in the huge waves, and that is exactly what the turtle did. We don't know any more than that, it was a single data point.

      It's interesting because the sharks actually DO avoid the hurricane, even though as you said, they don't really need to.

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    15. Re:Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, during Hurricane Dennis (2005), the wreck of the Spiegel Grove was shifted from it's side to upright on the sea floor. That's several thousand tons of ship, at about 40m deep, being moved around.

      People seem to have no idea of the forces the ocean can generate.

      A couple of years back, people tried to put tidal generators in the Bay of Fundy in Nova Scotia, which has the world's highest tides ... it basically ripped it apart.

      OpenHydro -- the Irish company which installed the world's first 1-megawatt tidal turbine in the Bay of Fundy -- and its partner Nova Scotia Power deployed the 10-tonne turbine on the floor of the Minas Passage in November 2009.

      Then just 20 days later, all 12 turbine rotor blades were destroyed by tidal flows that were two and a half times stronger than for what the turbine was designed.

      20 days to destroy it.

      Underestimate what the ocean can do to you at your own peril. I'm not at all surprised it moved that shipwreck, get enough water in motion, and it's going to eventually win.

    16. Re: Only a few meters down.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They read this article in slashdot, and they thought: they drilled TWO frickin holes, and forgot to put frickin lasers! I mean, Come On!! You call this science??

  2. Exciting by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    That was really interesting findings. Great science.

  3. LOL ... Florida Leatherbacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I've heard that term used for the leathery old ladies in Florida who have spent way too much time in the sun over the years and look like an old boot.

  4. Trypophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the mention of drilling holes into the turtle's back give anyone else the creeps? Interesting article though.

    1. Re:Trypophobia by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well yes it does. But for other animals they will pierce their ears, or for non-vertebrates or non-animals We do much more to them.

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  5. A turtle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...made it to the water?

    1. Re:A turtle... by Calydor · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of a story ...

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    2. Re:A turtle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you get all the gulls and crabs?

  6. Leatherback turtle study concludes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that 5 out of 5 human scientists are assholes who will drill a hole in your shell while you're in the middle of trying to lay your eggs in time to keep them safe from a god damn hurricane.

    1. Re: Leatherback turtle study concludes by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      The turtle refused to sign up for Twitter, and laughed at having a Facebook account. It was the only way to get properly sponsored content delivered. Now all the other turtles know what's up, and I expect them to fall in line shortly.

    2. Re:Leatherback turtle study concludes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that 5 out of 5 human scientists are assholes who will drill a hole in your shell while you're in the middle of trying to lay your eggs in time to keep them safe from a god damn hurricane.

      Those assholes are trying to help its species to survive. A little drilling on a keratin shell is worth it.

  7. So, Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean to tell me that these "scientists" didn't know that, like fish, turtles, sea mammals, etc. aren't troubled by strong winds and wave action when they dip just a few feet below the surface, where they spend >90% of their time?

    Wow, man.

  8. What'? the news here exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read TFA, expecting some revealation, or anything newsworthy that warranted posting. I read it 'til the end nothing.

    A turtle with a transponder wanders around; there is a hurricane; it wanders trough the hurricane.

    As opposed to what? Is there anything not normal for turtles and hurricanes in there that I missed?
    Or are we just reporting sacks of rice falling over in China now?

    1. Re: What'? the news here exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the same thing. Someone even said this is wonderful science. But there isn't even any conclusion at all here. There was a turtle, a hurricane came along, the turtle went through the hurricane. And then? They should have at least made some shit up: Looks like turtles have orgies during hurticanes. At least something.

    2. Re: What'? the news here exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The revelation is it doesn't bother them at all. We figured they would turtle up in their shell for a week but no they just keep doing what they do.

    3. Re:What'? the news here exactly? by SqueakyMouse · · Score: 2

      It's because normally they live in sewers learning ninja from mutant rats.

  9. Slashdot editors, please avoid these titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Here's what they saw?" That is a pure clickbait title. It's about on the same level as "You won't believe what happens next!" or "they came up with a number of conclusions. #7 will blow your mind."

    No site that even halfway respects its integrity should use title tricks like this.
    Please do not post click-bait. Please don't chase the lowest common denominator.

    1. Re:Slashdot editors, please avoid these titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My thoughts exactly. "Scientists Followed a Leatherback Turtle Through Hurricane Florence" already piqued my interest. Adding on "Here's What They Saw" tells me it is a non-story. Like when someone tries to use the -gate suffix. When you do that, you tell us that you feel that your position is unable to stand on its own merits.

    2. Re:Slashdot editors, please avoid these titles by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I read that thing once. Turns out, #7 was a handgun.

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    3. Re:Slashdot editors, please avoid these titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Five States of Matter You Should Avoid Existing In!"
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    4. Re:Slashdot editors, please avoid these titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In fairness, that headline is copied verbatim from the Popular Science website. At least they had the decency to leave out the subtitle "Satellites, sharks, and turtles, oh my."

    5. Re:Slashdot editors, please avoid these titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Click here to learn how Slashdot editors can avoid these titles with ONE SIMPLE TRICK!

  10. Doesn't matter by nospam007 · · Score: 0

    If she gets hit by a truck or a house falls on top of her, Trump will claim she died of old age.

  11. Where does this turtle charge her device? by eminencja · · Score: 1

    A few months - that's a long battery life!

    1. Re: Where does this turtle charge her device? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thereâ(TM)s a docking station. just like Roomba

    2. Re: Where does this turtle charge her device? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuclear baby! TMNT time!

    3. Re:Where does this turtle charge her device? by Solandri · · Score: 2

      It's not turned on all the time. It turns on briefly to take measurements, then goes back to sleep (everything powered down except the clock) until it's time for the next measurement. A battery life of months to over a year is not unusual if you use the electronics this way.

  12. And that makes it OK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is it with Americans and that logic? I only read things like this on US sites:
    "Hitler killed x million people! (He is a horrible person!)”
    “Yeah, but Stalin killed x million more people! (So Hitler did nothing wrong.)”

    PROTIP: When 0 is the threshold of "not acceptable", then the existence of -10, does not make -5 magically become >0. No kid that is raped "only" once a week is smiling because another kid is raped thrice a week!

    1. Re:And that makes it OK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The OP never said there was anything okay with it and your post is quite a leap from the subject at hand. The truth of the matter is that the reason this is okay is that turtles have no pain inducing nerve endings in their shell. They can feel through it, just not pain.

      Thanks for mischaracterizing Americans. That was some pretty good hyperbole and a pretty good logical fallacy too. Have a nice day.

    2. Re:And that makes it OK? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      That escalated quickly.
      The point is that for animals if we want to track them, sometime we may injure them a little bit. If we do this in a way that will have minimal pain, and will not adversely affect their life. Yes they drilled holes in the Animal. But they also filled it back in, and doesn't seem to hurt the Animal in the long run.
      For Trees we just nail stuff to them, figuring they don't feel pain.

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    3. Re:And that makes it OK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >For Trees we just nail stuff to them, figuring they don't feel pain.

      Note that pain is another word for the nervous system requesting an active response.

      There are other "problem" signals, handled through the usual channels. Stresses, environmental effects, homeostasis responses (cold, dehydration, nutrition, etc), hormones. Pain is just one more, marked URGENT in red. "Please use your muscle-powered movement to fix this RIGHT NOW, or at the earliest possibility if consciousness overrides this missive."

      Pain seems pointless without a corrective capability (ie movement) to react with. Whether through the nervous system or otherwise.

      A plant may be aware of a harmful status (ie physical trauma) but your body handles many of those without pain. Thirst isn't "painful" (though dry tissues will announce they're getting damaged, indifferent to why) even when it gets maddeningly loud.

    4. Re:And that makes it OK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Godwin-ning a turtle thread? Really?

  13. You say that ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pulled the garboard plugs and let my boat sit on the bottom. I'll float her next week, wash and dry her out, replace carpet and she'll be fine. It's not unreasonable.

    Reality is that the physical and mental health injuries rom the evacuation are more severe than the injuries from hunkering down, but the petty tyrants need to show that they're in charge.

    1. Re:You say that ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're going to have to replace way more than the carpet. Might as well leave it on the bottom.

  14. No, I didn't read the summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is up with these stupid click bait titles?
    "Here's what they saw"
    Fuck off with this bullshit. What is this, a website for toddlers?
    This is on the same level as "trainers hat him" and "earn $$$$$ at home"

  15. B.O.R.I.N.G. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let Hacker News teach you how to run a successful and interesting nerd site. Show some humility.

    CAP: reform

  16. she was used to this by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    The turtle has a Xiaomi phone, has Windows 10 on her laptop, and uses Facebook religiously. So, she really coudln't care less about privacy.

  17. Finding Nemo/Dory... by antdude · · Score: 1

    So DUDEs, the turtle scenes were accurate? :P

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