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EU To Stop Changing the Clocks in October 2019 (dw.com)
European Commissioner for Transport Violeta Bulc last week announced that the EU will stop the twice-yearly changing of clocks across the continent in October 2019. From a report: The practice, which was used as a means to conserve energy during the World Wars as well as the oil crises of the 1970s, became law across the bloc in 1996. All EU countries are required to move forward by an hour on the last Sunday of March and back by an hour on the final Sunday in October. Bulc said EU member states would have until April 2019 to decide whether they would permanently remain on summer or winter time. [...] "In order to maintain a harmonised approach we are encouraging consultations at national levels to ensure a coordinated approach of all member states," Bulc said.
The decision to tackle the issue was prompted after the Commission launched an online survey. Some 4.6 million Europeans answered the survey -- three million of those respondents were from Germany -- with 80 percent of them voting to scrap the practice .
Let's go for Double-Dutch Daylight Savings - permanently!!
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DST is a waste of time. Now it is time for the U.S. to do the same.
October 2018 (obviously impossible) would have enshrined this into the UK transitional period too. Haven't heard anything about what the UK will do - am really hoping we stop changing as well.
I responded to the survey voting for 'stop changing', so I'm happy with this.
Every European country will decide whether they do it or not. Some countries are still hesitating.
How hard is it to use the phrase "daylight saving"?
- Chuq
Oh, this is about daylight savings time. I thought they wanted to dial them back to 1941.
Never mind.
Have gnu, will travel.
Even though I like the survey's result it's just weird to hear about it after the fact. Try sending us letters if you want us to participate. Perhaps I'm not a social media user and I don't speak German, so even if I have the Internet I won't hear about it.
Winter (non-daylight-savings) would be logical, but the summary indicates that permanent daylight savings (summer) time is also an option, so which is it?
And yes, I RTFA (well, skimmed anyhow), and the article linked in TFA, but neither offered clarity.
I guess either beats the horrible "let's all get up an hour earlier for some reason, possibly because we're all masochists who enjoy stumbling around in the dark every morning" day that comes every spring, but it would be nice to know.
I think changing clocks makes no sense.
But if that "harmonized" isn't newspeak, then I don't know what is.
How about letting every community decide for itself?
They can still cooperate. That is not the point. Cooperation of course is usually good.
The point is that they should not be FORCED to conform. Because it is not ALWAYS good, and there is no actual reason to enforce conformism, except bureaucratic totalitarianism.
Soviet-era goose-stepping must be the most "harmonic" think ever seen to people like him. The Prussians would be proud.
Disgusting.
Problem solved.
In Scotland they'll be set to Scotch Time and in NI they'll be set to Whiskey Time, of course.
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messing with daylight saving. I don't mind if you have daylight saving, or if you don't, just stop changing you mind!
The EU is the successor of the BeNeLux, which itself is the successor to Luxemburg, the country created solely as a tax haven for the former and current royalty, to hide cash from the kings/emperors. My home country, by the way.
And the predecessor to TTIP/CETA.
In any generation, the sole point is for the current royalty (rich people, which, if you look at history, are from the line of royalty), to elevate themselves above the sovereignty of the people over their home areas. To replace the actual government and state by one controlled by them and their corporation. Or, to use that term that Mussolini coined for what he described as "the merger of state and industry": Fascism. (Real definition of the word.)
And in the middle of winter, when you go far enough north, the sun sets early enough that even with an extra hour of daylight at the end of it, it will still be after sunset by the time most people might need to go home from work.
And if the sun is rising that much later in the winter, the lack of any sunlight in the morning almost certainly badly affect melatonin cycles and probably worsen seasonal depression disorder.
I can sympathize with wanting an extra hour of daylight in the evenings, but as soon as you get more than about 45 degrees away from the equator or so, the sun is already rising late enough as it is in the winter months, and in practice, one wouldn't be able to enjoy the extra hour of daylight at the end of the day in the winter either, because they would probably be at work until sunset anyways.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that we leave DST as it is, I think that the abomination should be abolished forever, but I firmly believe that we should stay on standard time, and not simply shift the middle of the day to 1PM. You might be able to convince me to shift clocks forward only half an hour only once, and one last time to split the difference, but I don't know if I've been really sold on that yet.
Noon should be as close as is reasonably possible to the middle of the day, not an hour before it (or else you may as well call it 12AM, considering what AM and PM mean, since that is what it would always be if we settled on using DST year-round).
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
"three million of those respondents were from Germany"
That's 3.6% of the population of Germany. No way in hell such a high percentage responded to an obscure survey on some EU commission website.
I consider myself a "purist" and wish that we'd just stop using DST completely and just go with "winter" time year-round.
The more south you go, the less "saving" daylight is needed since there's less daylight variance between the seasons.
The more north you go the more "extreme" sunrises would get if you use "summer" time (DST) in the winter. Once you get into longitude 40N range (NYC, Detroit, Toronto), if you use 'summer time' in the winter you get sunrise at 8:30. Sunsets will be at 5:30 instead of 4:30, and that's hardly worth much IMHO.
We have electrical lights now: is it that big of a deal that it gets dark "sooner"? The last time it was really dark in an urban area was giant 2003 blackout. I'd rather have earlier sunrises, as otherwise people's circadian rhythms are going to all sorts of fucked up (especially dangerous while driving).
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Just sayin.
so think of all the scheduling software... update it all for 2019... not going to happen
this is just a bureaucracy of consultations... what do you think they will be doing... paying themselves and ?
lets say germany changed and france was delayed by 2 years... do you think business would not suffer ?
it requires all member states to change then updates to all software that keeps the time, no matter how lofty the goal it just is not going to happen.
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Hande hoch!
First ze big hand hoch zen ze little hand hoch!
For you ze DST ist ofer.
Set the clocks to optimize for winter, and just be done with it.
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At least the EU could make a decision on this. Congress is so inept it couldn't possible be so flexible because you know one side or another would want some expensive study or table it for a special session or some BS. Here is a challenge Democrat's and Republican's. Find something you can all agree on. If that's even possible.
just go forward 30 mins, and leave it there pemently.. best of both worlds.
I fully support ending the time changes, but using daylight savings time year-round is idiotic. That is just setting noon to 1PM. If we do this in the US, sunrise in New York will be about 8AM in the winter. Although the name implies it, daylight saving time does not actually make the day longer.
Don't know why it took so long, but finally common sense prevailed in EU.
I would love for Brisbane to have DST. Especially now I have school age kids.
I can be flexible with my work hours. Less so for my kids school hours.
and move their timezone to GMT. they currently sit on gmt + 2, which does not suit thir geography (it was done on the whim of a dictator to "show support for germany").
That, coupled with their weird times (3 hour lunch break starting at two) wreacks havoc on bussiness with the rest of europe, and the world...
*** Suerte a todos y Feliz dia!
Ahem..."quite a few". Perhaps you meant "only a few", or you are just ignorant.
Have it your way.
Since they take the hour away from us in the middle of the night, they are saving nighttime---not daylight.
It is called daylight saving time in the US because it avoids confusion with the similarly-named "summertime" (referring to the time between spring and autumn). This may not be an issue with other languages.
It's a PITA every year. Just set it and forget it! Old Indian chief once said...only white man think he could cut bottom of blanket, sew onto top and have longer blanket!
From the article:
Bulc said EU member states would have until April 2019 to decide whether they would permanently remain on summer or winter time.
Wow. I get ditching DST, but make a call one way or the other across the board. This will get messy..
Honestly, as a European I'm pretty happy about how this has been handled. We standarised things more than 20 years ago, gave the experiment a good run, people weren't happy about it, after some years of pressure and attempts to change this we held a poll (yes, Germans voted more than others, but millions of people participated, and the point is we did have a public consultation), the EU commission discussed it (that's 28 countries agreeing to do something, guys!), made a quick decision, and now had a vote. We'll coordinate to do this peacefully, and move forward as a group.
It may not be perfect, and we have fights, but the EU is great. I love my fellow European citizens, and I love that we get so many countries and so many different people to agree on stuff (it takes time and patience, though.) From border control, educational standards, manufacturing requirements, safety, security, energy saving, rule of law... I don't understand why anyone would truly want out of it.
I love you APK. You are the cutest. I bet you're really cuddly.
Look, it took only a decade of pressure and a public petition with a majority reminiscent of old soviet style elections to strong-arm our politicians into doing one simple thing right.
There may still be hope for this planet. At this speed, somewhere around 2350 they will decide that climate change is actually a bad thing and they ought to do something about it.
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Winters are already miserable and shitty enough without suffering it getting dark at 4:30 in the afternoon. I think most people with the exception of farmers won't mind if there is an hour's more darkness at the beginning of the day instead.
Just change the fucking hours. People got used to a 9-5 here the middle of the day is 1pm. change themto 8-4 and midday is 12 and you still finish that hour early you demand.
Yet the ones against this idea are those who "think" so much of businesses that they don't want businesses to have the "cost" of changing their faceplate info on opening times... because that would be "government interference in private industry" or some shit.
Do people honestly think with all the anti-EU / anti-establishment feelings going on that a law that was decided by an online vote which over 70% of the voters were Germans is going to be enacted in each member state?
People are waking up to the fact that Germany is pretty much the only EU country with a massive trade surplus, whilst all the other member states have to enact austerity measures to satisfy Germany and at the same time continue to buy German goods as fast as they can with credit supplied by Germany of course.
So good luck with getting that law implemented.
Yet somehow businesses still got to be told hen DST happened and did it. So why can't they be told when midday is? Why are businesses the only ones who get to say when you work and will mulishly insist that they will STAY 9-5 because that is what they did when the clocks were changing?
Why will businesses refuse to change to 8-4 when there is no DST changes? When DST was intruduced, why was it not a disaster because nobody got to choose their working hours? ALL the business has to do is change the Opening Hours panel. Job done. Once. They changed the clocks twice a year. Why will they refuse to do that???
this is gonna be a bigger mess than daylightsaving itself.. I really hope they set it to wintertime, as summertime is murder, a lot of studies shown that summertime is contra our bio rhythm, but leave it up to moronic politicians to go against those studies and choose summertime, because they think that's cool..
They 100% do create wealth. It's like saying we don't create cars, we just redistribute all the metals and plastics that make up the car.
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I make a doodee in my nappy.
See what I'm HOSTing.
APK
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APK
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As someone who lives in the Northern US, I would prefer that we stay on DST all the time. I don't mind driving to work in the dark in the winter months, but it's a bummer to drive home, again, in the dark. Staying on DST in the winter would alleviate that to some degree.
For example daylight on January 1st will be from 08:51 to 17:42. Getting home before dark just doesn't happen for me as I work ~08:30 to ~17:30 but on DST those daylight hours would be from 09:51 to 18:42! That means I can actually use a small amount of daylight after work. Now, compare that to abandoning DST and how it impacts the summer months.
July 1st this year under DST daylight was from 05:30 to 21:03. That's a long day, but 5:30 AM is also a somewhat reasonable time to be awake in my opinion. Without DST July 1st daylight would have been 04:30 to 20:03. I don't know anyone who would make use of the extra hour in the morning while everyone I know still enjoys that extra hour in the evening.
Let's keep DST and just never switch back!