iPhone XS, XS Max Are World's Fastest Phones (Again) (tomsguide.com)

According to "several real-world tests and synthetic benchmarks," the new iPhone XS and XS Max, equipped with the world's first 7-nanometer A12 Bionic processor, are the world's fastest smartphones, reports Tom's Guide. They even significantly outperform Qualcomm's Snapdragon 845 chip. From the report: Geekbench 4 is a benchmark that measures overall performance, and no other phone comes close to Apple's new handsets on this test. The iPhone Xs notched 11,420, and the iPhone Xs Max hit 11,515. The older iPhone X scored 10,357, so that's about an 11 percent improvement. There's a lot more distance between the new iPhones and Android flagships. The fastest Android phone around, the OnePlus 6, scored 9,088 on Geekbench 4 with its 8GB of RAM, while the Galaxy Note 9 reached 8,876.

To test real-world performance, we use the Adobe Premiere Clips app to transcode a 2-minute 4K video to 1080p. The iPhone X was miles ahead last year with a time of just 42 seconds. This time around, the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max knocked it down further to 39 seconds. The Galaxy S9+ took 2 minutes and 32 seconds to complete the task, and that's the fastest we've seen from an Android phone. The OnePlus 6 finished in 3:45, and the LG G7 ThinQ took 3:16. One good way to measure real-world performance is to see how long it takes for a phone to load demanding apps. Because the phones have the same processor for this round, we just used the iPhone Xs Max and put it up against the iPhone X and the Galaxy Note 9. The iPhone XS Max was faster every time, including a 15-second victory in Fortnite over the Note 9 and 3-second win in Asphalt 9. The phones were closer in Pokemon Go but the iPhone XS Max still came out on top. The new iPhones did lag behind the competition in the 3DMark Slingshot Extreme test, which measures graphics performance by evaluating everything from rendering to volumetric lighting. The iPhone XS Max and iPhone X received scores of 4,244 and 4,339, respectively, while the OnePlus 6 received a score of 5,124.

As for the GFXBench 5 test, the iPhone XS Max achieved 1,604.7 frames on the Aztec Ruins portion of the test, and 1,744.44 frames in the Car Chase test," reports Tom's Guide. "The Note 9 was far behind at 851.7 and 1,103 frames, respectively. However, the Galaxy S9+ edged past the iPhone XS Max on this test."

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geekbench

[Tsolias]

yeah sure... I bet those are even faster than an i5.... ofc on geekbench.
" real-world performance, we use the Adobe Premiere Clips app to transcode a 2-minute 4K video to 1080p"
real world performance... all Instagram thotts buy iphones just to transcode clips.

Re:geekbench

[omnichad]

I think someone needs to transcode your comment. It doesn't appear to be in a parseable format.

Re:geekbench

[Anonymous Coward]

My PC has an eight-core processor and a Nvidia 1050 Ti 4GB video card. A minute of 1080p video renedered on the processor takes a minute. A minute of 1080p video renedered on the Nvidia card takes 10 seconds. I don't think an iPad has the same performance of my PC for renedering videos longer than a short clip.

I can't imagine using Photoshop without a keyboard and mouse, or not being able to access my files from my file server. Video renedering on the iPad will probably suck donkey balls.

I still use my iPhone 6s and reduce my monthly bill from $80 to $50. As a phone and a video camera, the iPhone 6s isn't obsolete and I use it to make my videos on youtube. As a Sprint very special customer for 20+ years, Sprint will always give me a new iPhone for free if I decide to stop using the 6s as a phone in the next several years.

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Re:geekbench

[Anonymous Coward]

I wonder if its not like Intel's cheating behaving with QuickSync where they touted faster render times than GPUs but we later found out that it achieved this by doing a shitty job encoding.

Re:geekbench

[Anonymous Coward]

Aren't you the guy with a hearing loss in one ear?

https://slashdot.org/comments....

I have a hearing loss in one ear, so my audio will always be suspect. I use a Zoom H2 audio recorder with a pop filter 12" away from my mouth, Audacity to clean up and normalize the audio, and sync the audio to the video and apply a "voice enhancement" eq to the audio in the video editor.

Re:geekbench

[Anonymous Coward]

GPUs do a shitty job encoding too. Intel Quicksync sucked quality wise but had a major improvement with Intel Skylake such that they might be the best encoding per kilojoule spent! Software encoding gives the best quality.
Haswell/Broadwell Quicksync quality sucks but so does GPU encoding.

Re:geekbench

[Anonymous Coward]

Software encoding gives the best quality.
Haswell/Broadwell Quicksync quality sucks but so does GPU encoding.

+1 informative!

So, that's why creimer looks so bad in his video; he uses GPU encoding because "Video renedering on the iPad will probably suck donkey balls".

Poor creimer...

Re:geekbench

[Iwastheone]

I just met a 23 year old guy who's happy with his iPhone4. It does what he wants, texts & phone calls, I told him stay with it, just get a new battery for it, cheap and so easy to do that he could do the swapout himself with a soldering iron. Some people just want what works.

Re:geekbench

[e432776]

I'd agree with this advice except for one thing: no OS updates for iPhone 4 in some years. I don't know how likely a security issue is in the real world, but certainly interoperability will be compromised with old OS/apps..

Re:geekbench

[jellomizer]

Benchmarking comes into play when you are comparing like devices.
But where were these posts when Sun Microsystems was still around and their slower clock speed 64bit risc chips. Were called slow to Intels 32bit high clock chips. While one chip was made for handling high loads for long times while the other was for burst of speed.

That said. Being that high end mobile device are competing against modern mid-tier systems is saying a lot. Back in late 1990s. Your palm pilot would be about as powerful as an 8 year old pc.

Re:geekbench

[seinman]

When thots post Instagram videos, they are transcoded before being uploaded. So yeah, that's a real-world performance example.

Re:geekbench

[Tsolias]

He'd better get an iPhone then.

It's got one of them bionic processors....

[Trailer Trash]

Of course it's going to be the fastest!

Notched

[mentil]

The iPhone Xs notched 11,420

I see what you did there.

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[Anonymous Coward]

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[Anonymous Coward]

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[RickyShade]

They are still iTurds.

Re: Also big news...

[Anonymous Coward]

They are getting the kids ready to be Apple customers. The other day I was in the toys aisle and I noticed there were multiple 'turd' toys to play with. And a fancy electronic pig that sung a ditty with a fart at the end of the song.

When they are a few years older Daddy will pay for their first iPhone and they can be a talking animated turd.

WooooHooo?

[Ol Olsoc]

As a confirmed iPhone user, am I supposed to actually give a damn about what smartphone is fastest?

Brings to mind Frank DeFord's book, "The World's tallest Midget".

It's a friggin Phone for crissakes.

Re:WooooHooo?

[thegarbz]

It's a friggin Phone for crissakes.

If that's what you think then you paid about $800 too much for your phone.

Re:WooooHooo?

[Ol Olsoc]

It's a friggin Phone for crissakes.

If that's what you think then you paid about $800 too much for your phone.

I'm trying to imagine exactly what the OmygawdI'vegottheworld'sfastestsmartphone!!!!! Is going to do for me.

Can you tell me what actual thing it is going to do better?

You get a free pass if your hobby is benchmarking. Well, a snicker too. But other than beating other phones in benchmarking, maybe Candy Crush runs faster. But I don't play Candy Crush.

Re:WooooHooo?

[thegarbz]

You keep calling it a phone. It should come to no surprise to anyone that you wouldn't know what to do with a modern device.

Re:WooooHooo?

[Ol Olsoc]

You keep calling it a phone. It should come to no surprise to anyone that you wouldn't know what to do with a modern device.

The best Smartphone is a lot more a phone than a computer. Are you going to code or edit images, or create videos professionally on your smartphone?

Yeah, you can make phone calls, you can send texts, you can play simple games on it. You can do a little crappy web surfing on it.

Oh - and you can tether a real computer onto it so you can actually do something.

Re:WooooHooo?

[thegarbz]

Are you going to code or edit images

Err yes. One of my gripes is that my smartphone is slow to open 50mpxl images in Lightroom. I know seveal photographers who use their pocket computers as part of their arsenal in photoshoots. My phone is also a bit slow at playing back videos larger than 5K. It could be a bit better for streaming and gaming. When I edit videos for uploading on Instagram it could be a damn site faster. And as it's a work pocket computer and I have actual problems with accessing the schedule for the task I'm doing at the moment as it's a 600page PDF that my pocket computer can't search through.

You lack imagination if you're using it as a phone. And with your lack of imagination you are better off not spending money on something fast. In other news I don't run 100 VMs on my computer so no one cares about Threadripper or Core i9s right? Right?

Re:WooooHooo?

[Ol Olsoc]

You lack imagination if you're using it as a phone. And with your lack of imagination you are better off not spending money on something fast. In other news I don't run 100 VMs on my computer so no one cares about Threadripper or Core i9s right? Right?

Yeah, using tools made for the job is lacking imagination. I'm trying to imagine the prime professional work of a professional using a smartphone for photography.

Next up you are going to tell me that a smartphone cameras are the equal of a good DSLR. I can and have used a smartphone camera instead of my Nikon DSLR. But then again, I have used Diana cameras - I'm planning a project of mating a imaging chip on the back of one.

But using a smartphone cam or a Diana can be creative because it creates limitations that feed the creative process. But you have to know the rules before you creatively break them.

I'll be due for a new smartphone soon. Could be one of the XS's. But it sure won't be because of the benchmarking

Re:WooooHooo?

[thegarbz]

Yeah, using tools made for the job is lacking imagination. I'm trying to imagine the prime professional work of a professional using a smartphone for photography.

What other quick auto preview monitor that can apply the predefined functions of your fancy macbook would your recommend for said professional for sub $1000 (or more accurately sub $600 since a halfway decent phone costs money too)? Do you lug around yet another piece of special purpose kit when instead you can achieve the job you require on something that multi-tasks? To be clear I didn't say I know anyone who uses *the camera* in their smartphone in a photoshoot. That would be outright silly.

Next up you are going to tell me that a smartphone cameras are the equal of a good DSLR.

Of course! In many situations they are way better than a DSLR. Why just the other day the smartphone I had with me at the stadium was infinitely better than my 50mpxl camera that was at home. The smartphone I had in my pocket skiing likewise since it was kind enough not to break my rib and puncture my lung like my DSLR would have when I landed on my chest.

But using a smartphone cam or a Diana can be creative because it creates limitations that feed the creative process.

I could almost get behind this comment but to be honest a smartphone isn't suitable. It tries too hard to be a quality camera to permit "creative processes". The result is often just an average looking picture. Quite unlike say loading a 35mm spool into the Diana. If you're going to go creative, go creative, don't just go sub par.

Re:WooooHooo?

[Ol Olsoc]

Yeah, using tools made for the job is lacking imagination. I'm trying to imagine the prime professional work of a professional using a smartphone for photography.

What other quick auto preview monitor that can apply the predefined functions of your fancy macbook would your recommend for said professional for sub $1000 (or more accurately sub $600 since a halfway decent phone costs money too)? Do you lug around yet another piece of special purpose kit when instead you can achieve the job you require on something that multi-tasks?

Yes. If I make imagery, I certainly wouldn't preview them on a smartphone - nor would I ever re-hire someone who did. Hell man - travel and scene setup is expensive, and especially if you are going for print medium, you simply are not going to see it on a smartphone.

I lug around whatever equipment I have to to do a proper job. Yes, I take a laptop - which is marginal for the purpose. Editing is performed on a desktop with a good calibrated monitor.

That is true - you didn't Some people have tried to argue that with me here on Slashdot, sI i kinda wanted to head that one off.

Next up you are going to tell me that a smartphone cameras are the equal of a good DSLR.

Of course! In many situations they are way better than a DSLR. Why just the other day the smartphone I had with me at the stadium was infinitely better than my 50mpxl camera that was at home. The smartphone I had in my pocket skiing likewise since it was kind enough not to break my rib and puncture my lung like my DSLR would have when I landed on my chest.

I use my smartphone camera for uses like that, which interestingly enough, the last time was also at a football game. But if I'm getting paid for the pictures......

But using a smartphone cam or a Diana can be creative because it creates limitations that feed the creative process.

I could almost get behind this comment but to be honest a smartphone isn't suitable. It tries too hard to be a quality camera to permit "creative processes". The result is often just an average looking picture. Quite unlike say loading a 35mm spool into the Diana. If you're going to go creative, go creative, don't just go sub par.

Re:WooooHooo?

[thegarbz]

Yes. If I make imagery, I certainly wouldn't preview them on a smartphone

I know a 2" screen on the back of a camera is much better.

nor would I ever re-hire someone who did

I also apply stupid criteria to my hiring decisions! Like I don't hire photographers who don't own a backpack with compartments. Because let's face it, their method is far more important than the work they would produce.

Hell man - travel and scene setup is expensive, and especially if you are going for print medium, you simply are not going to see it on a smartphone.

Really? Personally my own most expensive commissioned work cost me $4.30 (two metro fares) and 20min. But yay let's generalise.

I lug around whatever equipment I have to to do a proper job.

Yeah so does everyone.

Editing is performed on a desktop with a good calibrated monitor.

Of course it is. You'd be mad not to. However last time I returned from vacation I already had the initial cull and basic exposure adjustments completed on all my photos. Editing became much shorter, and my flight seemed shorter too. Unless you have a fixed studio you don't do your initial checking on your calibrated monitor.

Re:WooooHooo?

[Ol Olsoc]

Yes. If I make imagery, I certainly wouldn't preview them on a smartphone

I know a 2" screen on the back of a camera is much better.

That's one of the reasons to have the laptop along. As I said, it's marginal, but especially for location work, the best compromise.

nor would I ever re-hire someone who did

I also apply stupid criteria to my hiring decisions! Like I don't hire photographers who don't own a backpack with compartments. Because let's face it, their method is far more important than the work they would produce.

There are some yet to be broken laws of physics that smartphones have not surmounted yet. Like depth of field precise control, and the inherent characteristics of the shutters which on rotating things like tires or propellers is a dead giveaway. All of those scream "I shot this on a smartphone! I suppose if for some reason the work was supposed to look amateurish, then you want a smartphone photographer.

Hell man - travel and scene setup is expensive, and especially if you are going for print medium, you simply are not going to see it on a smartphone.

Really? Personally my own most expensive commissioned work cost me $4.30 (two metro fares) and 20min. But yay let's generalise.

Speaking of generalizing. Yeah, I didn't travel cheap or light. Professional video camera, main and backup DSLRs Lenses, Lighting. Tripods. My assistant, her luggage, my luggage. In most cases, from the east to the west coast - I paid heavy charges, and on the commuter plane part of the itinerary, seating arrangements had to be arranged to keep the plane trimmed. I was horrified one time when an extremely obese man was on the flight, and they moved him to a seat that he didn't quite fit in to accommodate my equipment weight. Since I knew why they were making him move, I tried to discretely suggest it might be more comfortable to move my equipment than him, but they were already loaded. Then there were paid models if I needed them.....

In reality, I think we are talking about two entirely different workflows and types of photo shoots. $4.30 versus thousands in flights, payroll, and that's before a photo was taken. We're arguing past each other. 8^)

Re:WooooHooo?

[thegarbz]

There are some yet to be broken laws of physics that smartphones have not surmounted yet.

I think before we continue this all needs to be re-read. I'm not sure why you think I said anyone was using a smartphone camera....

We're arguing past each other. 8^)

That much is now plainly clear :-)

But just to provide context on my last use: Photoshoot with a quality camera with the WiFi module. Galaxy Note used as a larger display, at least I thought it worked really well last time I did it like this. Galaxy Note used in airport lobby to cull initial 1000 photos down to something reasonable. Using the Lightroom mobile I did some minor changes to images. And then I put my toys away when I got home and let the threadripper rip. :-)

But back to my original point. The Note really REALLY struggles with 50mpxl images. It would help if it were much faster.

Here they come

[Anonymous Coward]

Every Android fanboy to refute the evidence. They are all probably Kavanaugh fans too.

Re:Here they come

[omnichad]

Why refute it? When the phone's this overpriced, I expect that level of performance. And maybe plated in silver too.

Re: Here they come

[Anonymous Coward]

No, we don't care that much about fast. My android phone is fast enough and it only cost $200.

Re:Here they come

[TheFakeTimCook]

Why refute it? When the phone's this overpriced, I expect that level of performance. And maybe plated in silver too.

But Samsung makes phones that are even PRICIER than the iPhone, and yet their performance is Pants.

Qualcomm should stick to their core competence: RF.

Now what?

Re:Here they come

[Anonymous Coward]

Why refute it? When the phone's this overpriced, I expect that level of performance. And maybe plated in silver too.

But Samsung makes phones that are even PRICIER than the iPhone, and yet their performance is Pants.

Qualcomm should stick to their core competence: RF.

Now what?

Samsung has fallen since 2014.. now they just make overpriced garbage... so it is no surprise that they are more expensive and slower...

Re:Here they come

[Anonymous Coward]

But Samsung makes phones that are even PRICIER than the iPhone

They do? Which one? I don't follow Samsung phones but I just did a quick look and the most expensive I can see is the Note9 512GB version for $1249. The 512GB iPhone XS Max is $1449.

Re:Here they come

[cyberchondriac]

Overpriced? They're all in the same ballpark, whether they're top of the line iPhones or top of the line Samsungs. Not sure about LG.

Re:Here they come

[omnichad]

I never said other top of the line phones weren't overpriced. Apple does try to represent top of the line as the only viable option, but they're not that different from the rest.

No iphones in Federal prison, sorry Trump traitors

[Anonymous Coward]

You're going to have to smuggle something up your ass instead like Trump Jr. seems to be practicing for.

The catch with all previous Apple processors

[Utopia]

has been is that they are thermally constrained and achieve these remarkable results when its starts cold. As soon it heats up the processors starts throttling and doesn't do well compared to Qualcomm, Exynos etc.
This is why it does well on Geekbench benchmarks but not so well in some of the other benchmarks.

Re:The catch with all previous Apple processors

[TheFakeTimCook]

has been is that they are thermally constrained and achieve these remarkable results when its starts cold. As soon it heats up the processors starts throttling and doesn't do well compared to Qualcomm, Exynos etc.
This is why it does well on Geekbench benchmarks but not so well in some of the other benchmarks.

Prove it, or STFU

Re:The catch with all previous Apple processors

[Anonymous Coward]

BRB, spending $1200 to appease a slashdot commenter.

Re:The catch with all previous Apple processors

[rtb61]

Yeah, it seems like thermal throttling is a real thing https://imgur.com/OThPVWb pretty much across the board. Probably because without they would never achieve warranty as the devices would basically cook themselves to death.

Need new power test, how long do the devices run at full output before slowing done and then beyond that dying, simply overheating to death or shutdown (probably shutdown, again to preserve warranty but wait why should warranty be protected if the device is shutting down and not working or even when powering down, when they are selling maximum cpu output).

These test also should be conducted a higher room temperatures, something like 30 degrees C.

Re:The catch with all previous Apple processors

[Megol]

STFU, or disprove it

Re:The catch with all previous Apple processors

[AmiMoJo]

I suggested that Geekbench add a pre-heating function, but no sign of it yet.

Re:The catch with all previous Apple processors

[Anonymous Coward]

The Geekbench 4 white paper states:

"Geekbench inserts a pause (or gap) between each workload to minimize the effect thermal
issues have on workload performance. Without this gap, workload that appear later in the
benchmark would have lower scores than workload that appear earlier in the benchmark.
The default gap is 2 seconds for both single-core and multi-core workloads."

Given the number of tests in Geekbench, 2 seconds between each test is a pretty big percentage of the run time - specifically there to avoid thermal throttling.

https://www.geekbench.com/doc/geekbench4-cpu-workloads.pdf

I'd like to know what the results would be without this gap.

Re:The catch with all previous Apple processors

[TheFakeTimCook]

STFU, or disprove it

I didn't make the original "allegation", dumbass.

Re:The catch with all previous Apple processors

[uvajed_ekil]

STFU, or disprove it

I didn't make the original "allegation", dumbass.

And you did nothing to refute it, dumberass. You can go around questioning everything in the world, but when people get annoyed at you because you have no evidence that doesn't make you right.

Re:The catch with all previous Apple processors

[TheFakeTimCook]

STFU, or disprove it

I didn't make the original "allegation", dumbass.

And you did nothing to refute it, dumberass. You can go around questioning everything in the world, but when people get annoyed at you because you have no evidence that doesn't make you right.

Sorry. It doesn't work that way.

Re:The catch with all previous Apple processors

[RespekMyAthorati]

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

It is the person making the claim that has to provide the evidence.
Expressing skepticism about someone's claim is not a claim itself, and requires no evidence.

Doesn't have to be the fastest.

[Anonymous Coward]

The UI just has to be better than Android. Which, with the amount of feature creep since Jobs died, is no longer for certain.

Re:Doesn't have to be the fastest.

[Stormwatch]

A matter of opinion here, but I've always liked Android's stock UI better. Besides, if you want something different, you can just install a launcher. This sort of flexibility is a big plus for Android.

Re:Doesn't have to be the fastest.

[TheFakeTimCook]

A matter of opinion here, but I've always liked Android's stock UI better. Besides, if you want something different, you can just install a launcher. This sort of flexibility is a big plus for Android.

...I hope that it makes up for the 700,000 Malware-filled Apps that Google found on the Play Store...

Re: Doesn't have to be the fastest.

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't forget the millions of apps on the app store too.

It took other companies YEARS to find the few that were creeping on users (see trend micro and Co.). APL is not looking for any privacy issues in their review process and only banning when it gets big enough.

There has been so many examples of malware that have been caughtb only because the author came out or became public knowledge.

Remember: there are NO apps on i devices that can scan executables, so nobody can look for malware

Re:Doesn't have to be the fastest.

[AmiMoJo]

Don't worry, there is plenty of malware in the Apple App Store as well.

Re:Doesn't have to be the fastest.

[TheFakeTimCook]

Don't worry, there is plenty of malware in the Apple App Store as well.

Prove it. And define "Plenty".

Re:Doesn't have to be the fastest.

[AmiMoJo]

Did you try googling it?

First result: https://us.norton.com/internet...

Re:Doesn't have to be the fastest.

[TheFakeTimCook]

Did you try googling it?

First result: https://us.norton.com/internet...

Try again.

That was over 2 years ago, affected pretty much only people who didn't want to bother downloading the FREE XCode from the App Store (for WHATEVER inexplicable reason!), and was actually never PROVEN to contain Malware, IIRC).

And even if it WAS infected, that's STILL 699,999 : 1

Hardly "Plenty" by ANY definition.

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Technically Inferior

[Anonymous Coward]

As the phone does not include a headphone jack it is restricted to low quality wireless audio.

Re:Technically Inferior

[Anonymous Coward]

Why do so many slashdot whiners desperately want to believe this?

Re:Technically Inferior

[TheFakeTimCook]

As the phone does not include a headphone jack it is restricted to low quality wireless audio.

Really? Did someone remove the Lightning port while I wasn't looking?

Idiot.

Re:Technically Inferior

[LynnwoodRooster]

Because it's true? What Bluetooth CODEC supports bandwidth, SNR, and dynamic range of a CD, let alone high-res audio? There are two that come close: AptX HD and LDAC. AptX HD (in fact, the entire AptX family) is not available on iOS because CSR is not supported on iOS. And Sony created LDAC and it's only been ported to a few CSR chips and Microchip options - so no iOS support there, either.

Re: Technically Inferior

[Anonymous Coward]

Uh, Lightning port?

Re: Technically Inferior

[LynnwoodRooster]

iOS does not support high-res audio files. Sorry!

Re:Technically Inferior

[tepples]

The Lightning port is not removed but is currently in use for charging.

Re: Technically Inferior

[Anonymous Coward]

We both know youâ(TM)re being disingenuous here.

Re: Technically Inferior

[Anonymous Coward]

You seem technically knowledgable about Apple and codecs, maybe you can answer this question for me:

What lossless codec does AirPlay use?

Re: Technically Inferior

[LynnwoodRooster]

iOS supports MP3, AAC, ALAC, WAV, and AIFF. WAV tops out at 24 bit/48 kHz. No DSD, FLAC, or high resolution WAV files for iOS without a lot of work and effort. Android, meanwhile, supports all those right out of the box!

Re: Technically Inferior

[LynnwoodRooster]

ALAC. It's Apple's perversion of FLAC - and it's limited to CD resolution (16 bit/44.1 kHz). FLAC would have supported resolution to 32 bit/384 kHz, but ALAC doesn't do that. With a WIFI system, it seems a no-brainer to do FLAC or a higher-than-CD resolution, where lossless compression gets you around 700 kbps. No need for saving a Mbps of bandwidth when you have a WIFI system.

Re:Technically Inferior

[TheFakeTimCook]

The Lightning port is not removed but is currently in use for charging.

All the time?

And have you noticed they have THESE?

https://www.amazon.com/CaseyPo...

Or, if you want really nice support, this one has a 3.5mm jack (with I think microphone support) AND a Lightning Headset Jack (although only one of the audio-interfaces can be used at a time), AND a Lightning Charging Port: Yes, it has a little "enclosure"; but I assume that you won't be charging while walking around with your phone; so it hardly fucking matters:

https://www.amazon.com/Compati...

Re:Technically Inferior

[tepples]

Or, if you want really nice support

Thanks. I'll try to remember to mention the Zerkar splitter for when haters ask the same question. Now if only there were the same thing for Game Boy Advance SP...

Re: Technically Inferior

[Anonymous Coward]

Now I know why Android is the choice of dogs buying smartphones.

Weird how you pivoted from a lengthy discussion on Bluetooth into a discussion on iOS APIs. Almost seems like you forgot that you can still plug headphones into an iPhone.

Re:Technically Inferior

[TheFakeTimCook]

Or, if you want really nice support

Thanks. I'll try to remember to mention the Zerkar splitter for when haters ask the same question. Now if only there were the same thing for Game Boy Advance SP...

Sorry, can't help you there.

I did notice that some people reported getting the dreaded "Unsupported Device" Error; but since that didn't happen to EVERYONE... ?

Re:Technically Inferior

[tlhIngan]

AptX HD and LDAC. AptX HD (in fact, the entire AptX family) is not available on iOS because CSR is not supported on iOS

No, it's because QUALCOMM is not licensing AptX to Apple. CSR was purchased by Qualcomm years ago, and AptX went along with it. (The logo is AptX by Qualcomm now)

Of course, it doesn't help that Qualcomm and Apple are trading lawsuits with each other, causing the removal of AptX support from everything else as well.

LDAC support is a possibility, because Sony is basically giving LDAC away (it's included in Android 8), given Sony is the only one making LDAC receivers.

Re: Technically Inferior

[LynnwoodRooster]

Now I know why Android is the choice of dogs buying smartphones.

Weird how you pivoted from a lengthy discussion on Bluetooth into a discussion on iOS APIs.

Why not? iOS does not support any high quality Bluetooth stack, flat out. And then it was brought up about how iOS doesn't support high res audio - which I've given information to support. Don't see where things were pivoted by me.

Almost seems like you forgot that you can still plug headphones into an iPhone.

You can? Oh, you mean with an extra little dongle? The one you have to buy now? And still be limited to low-res/standard-res audio files digitally?

Re: Technically Inferior

[Anonymous Coward]

Original comment was this:

âoeAs the phone does not include a headphone jack it is restricted to low quality wireless audio.â

Which is obviously wrong, but for some reason you agreed with it.

Re: Technically Inferior

[LynnwoodRooster]

No, it is correct. The iPhone does not include a headphone jack. You can buy an external jack/adapter for it, but it does not have a jack. And it does not support any Bluetooth other than SBC and AAC - neither of which is more than 320 kbps, and are decidedly NOT high quality wireless audio. The comment is perfectly valid.

Unless your contention is that there IS a headphone jack on the iPhone, or that 320 kbps audio is high quality?

Re: Technically Inferior

[Anonymous Coward]

Please read the original statement carefully, rather than drawing logically invalid conclusions.

"As the phone does not include a headphone jack it is restricted to low quality wireless audio".

You can use the firewire port to plug in a set of headphones, which is neither wireless nor low quality.

Re: Technically Inferior

[LynnwoodRooster]

Yes, read the statement again carefully. Does the phone include a headphone jack? No? Then your only other way to get audio out is low quality wireless audio. Oh, you can always BUY an additional equipment to get higher quality (not high resolution) audio from it - but that's not the phone, is it? That is the phone and some other device as well.

Re: Technically Inferior

[Anonymous Coward]

"Does the phone include a headphone jack? No? Then your only other way to get audio out is low quality wireless audio."

No, you can use the bundled lightning earbuds. Or carplay. Or airplay.

"Oh, you can always BUY an additional equipment to get higher quality (not high resolution) audio from it - but that's not the phone, is it?"

Irrelevant. The statement was "As the phone does not include a headphone jack it is restricted to low quality wireless audio".

Not true.

Re: Technically Inferior

[Anonymous Coward]

How the fuck are you getting your audio out of the headphone jack? Buying additional equipment? Or sticking a finger in the jack from one hand and a finger in your ear from the other?

Re: Technically Inferior

[LynnwoodRooster]

Where is the audio jack on the iPhone?

c6gunner = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!"... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

c6gunner shot himself down w/ his FAKEname on a post impersonating me https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & w/ c6gunner altering /. user's words there.

All since I challenged c6gunner to show better work than mine he did & you can't c6gunner "ne'er-do-well"!

Right after you tried to mock me 1st https://linux.slashdot.org/com... for no good reason & I didn't bug you @ all!

YOU DEMAND PROOF OF OTHERS "I've yet to see you provide any evidence of that." by c6gunner on Monday March 15, 2010 @10:02PM (#31490942) ?

I DEMANDED IT OF YOU & YOU FAILED!

* You're FAKENAME trash you childish dishonest punk + YOU are a DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" CHATTERING dolt w/ ZERO to show for yourself!

APK

P.S.=> You say hosts are shit here https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?

50++ /.ers & security pros + RESULTS SAY DIFFERENT:

Proof's here from /.ers https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... from SECURITY PROS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & REAL RESULTS w/ hosts working vs. threats https://slashdot.org/comments.... so EAT YOUR WORDS... apk

Because THAT's what I needed!

[Anonymous Coward]

* Not battery life. (Instead of anorexia "thinspiration".)
* Not a headphone jack. (Instead of another shit to recharge)
* Not easily replaceable and fixable modular components on my $1000 thing.
* Not it actually being a computer (a device that lets you automate you information processing work away, no matter what that work is), instead of jewelry that merely happens to use a computer to display its dazzling colors.
* Not it costing an arm and a leg and your firstborn each two years!! (I will not pay more than $200, every 4-5 years, unless it can replace my laptop and I can install my own OS, period.)

Noo... Stupidmojis, FaceSpyD, thinspiration, and most of all, paternalism. THAT’s what I need!
If you think we are THAT stupid, why don't you just sell us a sheet of metal with an iridescent foil stuck on the front, so that we can be dazzled while we lick it?!

(Yeah, many people really ARE that stupid, nowadays. But I say that is ONLY because the industry deliberately and systematically [but not consciously] bred them over the decades since the industrialization!)

Re:Because THAT's what I needed!

[retchdog]

who the fuck would offload actual work onto a phone?

c6gunner IMPERSONATING me again?

[Anonymous Coward]

c6gunner your FAKEname's on a post impersonating me & worse is you altering /. user's words https://linux.slashdot.org/com... as I challenged you to show you do better work and you can't after you tried to mock me you hypocrite LYING loser https://linux.slashdot.org/com... .

* You're online FAKENAME trash c6gunner & a childish dishonest punk.

PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH TOO saying what I don't on spectre/meltdown https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... & I haven't had a MacOS X version recompiled for me yet (I don't own a Mac but I have a friend who does & can code (to a good extent, good enough to load FreePascal 3.0.4 + patches & Lazarus 1.8.2 IDE for it in 64-bit to do so but he is a BUSY guy, just waiting on him for it to do this as a FAVOR to me...))

APK

P.S.=> Impossible to deny FACT of your FAKEname (for your FAKE wasted lie of a so-called life) on that 1st post link above you unbelievable loser... apk

Parent = c6gunner, LIAR & IMPERSONATOR... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

You don't practice what you preach in using your registered 'luser' account as you STALK & IMPERSONATE me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous, lol - hypocrite...

I know it's you posting this c6gunner you filthy JEW FAKENAME fuck impersonating me for days. Then you copy & paste snippets of my old posts like just now to LIE & IMPERSONATE me as an ANONYMOUS FAKENAME FUCK.

* You're online FAKENAME trash c6gunner & a childish dishonest punk.

PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH TOO saying hosts don't protect against spectre/meltdown (they do) & a MacOS version isn't available (it is). c6gunner your FAKEname's on a post impersonating me & worse is you altering /. user's words as I challenged you to show you do better work and you can't after you tried to mock me you hypocrite LYING loser.

APK

P.S.=> That's probably the RESULT of being raised as a "soyboy" weasel for the whimp trying to make me look "bad" impersonating me - RoTfLmAo... apk

Ah, the graduate... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Ah, the graduate from THE UNIVERSITY OF DUMB in you again per where I made that abundantly clear about you when I point out how STUPID you are hypocrite!

You're internet trash c6gunner, LYING & IMPERSONATING me. Post your name, address, and phone number, you FAKE NAME COWARD FUCK.

* Yes - thanks for showing your face (as usual HIDING behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous on your part weezil) so I can point that one out to everyone so they can laugh @ you too!

APK

P.S.=> Unbelievable - your IQ must be 10 below plantlife level... apk

Aah, so same as their Craptops then.

[Anonymous Coward]

Constant thermal throttling due to no airflow to speak of, the most shoddy of build quality, cheaply glued-in non-repairable $3000 devices and hinges and the like that redefine "flimsy" each generation ... That's what I learned from Louis Rossmann fixing these pieces of shit for a living.

Then again, why would you need all those things, if all you gonna do, is masturbate onto it and use it as bragging jewelry anyway? ;)

It's not me... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

My house has been fully paid off for a decade but I live with an ex-marine roommate/boyfriend. He was dishonorable discharged from the Marine Corps but has more than made up for it since. Sometimes he posts here to defend me from the JEALOUS JOWIE fake name trolls that attack me. He sees the BULLSHIT I put up with here like the LIES about my work.

* Good to know there are at least some decent people in the world.

APK

P.S.=> I don't reply to myself. I don't need attention the way most here do... apk

Ol Olsoc = fake name massive human fail

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: Your MASSIVE FAIL in this life is you're nothing more than a chattering little do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" online & you know it...

* Is that the best your "phantasyland FAKE NAME" (for your fake lie of a so-called 'life') can manage?

When a FAKE NAME do nothing like YOU does better than I have? Then talk (you're all talk & no action)...

You can't help you're an immature little BUTTHURT no-mind, lol! I blew you away in TONS OF PLACES and easily dust your no-mind bullshit blatherings.

APK

P.S.=> The TRUE PRICE of your UNIDENTIFIABLE FAKE NAME do-nothing selves like you that I can ALWAYS CASH IN ON (lol) is that I can use FACT/TRUTH on them to SHATTER their all TOO fragile delusional egos that they actually know A DAMN THING in computing, lol... apk

Re:Ol Olsoc = fake name massive human fail

[Ol Olsoc]

Did someone just fart?

Re:Ol Olsoc = fake name massive human fail

[Anonymous Coward]

Fat Incel turd claims to win, is just delusional gay virgin.

Re:Ol Olsoc = fake name massive human fail

[Anonymous Coward]

APK isn't an incel, he gets ass fucked multiple times a night down at the glory hole in the Pilot Travel Center off of I81 near his house.

Queen for a day

[Tough Love]

The most recently announced flagship has the fastest processor. Because of moving to a new process node that all flagships will soon be shipping. And...?

BTW, only 15% faster than Qualcomm 845 whereas TSMC says 7nm gives at least 20% speedup vs 10nm. So, lame.

Re:Queen for a day

[Anonymous Coward]

The year-old iPhone X is second fastest. Maybe Android will catch it next year.

Re:Queen for a day

[Tough Love]

Qualcomm 845 hammers iPhone X in GPU which means Qualcomm is faster for games. Probably beats the XS too, and the Qualcomm is almost a year older. Apple spent a bunch of transistors in the wrong place.

Re:Queen for a day

[sg_oneill]

Qualcomm 845 hammers iPhone X in GPU which means Qualcomm is faster for games. Probably beats the XS too, and the Qualcomm is almost a year older. Apple spent a bunch of transistors in the wrong place.

Well next time I plug my iphone into the tv set and drop a game disk into the slot I'll keep that in mind.

Meanwhile I'll keep using my phone for things that aren't games...

Re:Queen for a day

[Tough Love]

OK, so you know that iPhone is inferior for games. And maybe you also know that Mobile Gaming Is Now Bigger than Console and PC Gaming Combined.

Re: Queen for a day

[Anonymous Coward]

"This however needs to be tested on commercial devices as the QRD platform isnâ(TM)t a thermally representative phone for the SoC, so until that happens, weâ(TM)ll have to just estimate based on power consumption where the Snapdragon 845 ends up."

Faster "phone"

[Misagon]

It would be an even faster phone if the voice of the person you were talking to was less garbled.

Re:Faster "phone"

[Anonymous Coward]

You're probably holding the phone wrong again...

Re:Faster "phone"

[Anonymous Coward]

or if they were an auctioneer, i guess?

But it still runs ios

[Anonymous Coward]

Yuk!

And battery life

[goombah99]

What's more impressive than speed is having that speed without much difference in battery life and having a larger screen size to boot.

c6gunner IMPERSONATING me again?

[Anonymous Coward]

c6gunner your FAKEname's on a post impersonating me & worse is you altering /. user's words https://linux.slashdot.org/com... as I challenged you to show you do better work and you can't after you tried to mock me you hypocrite LYING loser https://linux.slashdot.org/com... .

* You're online FAKENAME trash c6gunner & a childish dishonest punk.

PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH TOO saying what I don't on spectre/meltdown https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... & I haven't had a MacOS X version recompiled for me yet (I don't own a Mac but I have a friend who does & can code (to a good extent, good enough to load FreePascal 3.0.4 + patches & Lazarus 1.8.2 IDE for it in 64-bit to do so but he is a BUSY guy, just waiting on him for it to do this as a FAVOR to me...))

I'M ALSO NOT GAY & MY ROOMMATE IS NOT GAY or my "boyfriend" EITHER loser.

APK

P.S.=> Impossible to deny FACT of your FAKEname (for your FAKE wasted lie of a so-called life) on that 1st post link above you unbelievable loser... apk

"Real world performance"

[HumanEmulator]

Benchmarks for iPhones always talk about "real world performance", but rarely factor in that software can't run at full-speed on an iPhone for very long before thermal management kicks in and throttles the speeds down. This fact alone makes comparisons to laptop and desktop CPUs virtually worthless.

Re:"Real world performance"

[TheFakeTimCook]

Benchmarks for iPhones always talk about "real world performance", but rarely factor in that software can't run at full-speed on an iPhone for very long before thermal management kicks in and throttles the speeds down. This fact alone makes comparisons to laptop and desktop CPUs virtually worthless.

Prove it.

And, while you're at it; prove that Android phones don't do the same thing. Considering the voracious appetite for battery that the Qualcomm SoC crap demonstrates, I would imagine that thermal issues would be MUCH worse in those phones...

Re:"Real world performance"

[Anonymous Coward]

OMG your an annoying little bitch for apple.

No one has to prove anything to you.
Do your own damned research.

Your constant whining and complaining probably causes people to become "apple haters"

The real question is now

[guacamole]

When will Apple switch OSX desktops and laptops to its ARM chips? I think they could give Intel a serious competition.

Re:The real question is now

[sg_oneill]

When will Apple switch OSX desktops and laptops to its ARM chips? I think they could give Intel a serious competition.

Forget the laptops. I wanna see OSX on the phone with some sort of dock so I can drop a phone into it and use it as my main PC. Its honestly not that far off, these days, its just iOS would not be an ideal desktop os. But OSX with an iOS mode that could drop in and out of depending on docked, that'd be pretty awesome. I know ubuntu did some experiments to this effect, I'm just not sure anyone actually used the damn thing because who the heck owns a "ubuntu" phone anyway.

Re:The real question is now

[Anonymous Coward]

Delusional fanboy is delusional.

Nice how about price/performance

[mykro76]

iPhone XS Max 256GB is $2049 AUD. Oneplus 6 256GB is $1049 AUD.

Re:Nice how about price/performance

[Anonymous Coward]

And then? You didn't compare price / performance. You listed 2 models and their storage capacity, which is the same. You didn't actually mention performance at all, so yours is really just more "list price of 2 phones in a currency no one cares about". Do you also make it a habit to show up to track and field events demanding to see say... who can bake the largest cake? I don't have a problem with that if you do, just generally curious.

Phones are fast enough already, aren't they?

[Goonie]

Perhaps I'm just getting old but I've currently got a comparatively ancient iPhone 6S and I've never found it anything other than acceptably snappy in use.

What applications are people putting their phones to where the extra speed of the newer iPhones (and Androids, for that matter) actually matters?

Re:Phones are fast enough already, aren't they?

[Gilgaron]

Web cruft, mostly... my 5S mostly performs adequately, but feels slow when browsing the internet and loading applications with advertisements, like Weather Channel (although that one has improved as of the most recent update). Installing an adblocker helped but ad heavy pages sometimes still load slowly from all the scripts even if the ads themselves don't load. For Netflix and email, yeah just about any phone will probably perform the same as a $50 Kindle. My wife has the 6S and it seems to be hanging in there just fine.

Re:Phones are fast enough already, aren't they?

[cyberchondriac]

Same here. My 6s is as snappy as the day I bought it. That's the main attraction to iOS for me, it's responsive like a device should be. I can count on it.

It does what I want a smartphone to do: handle calls and texts, maybe run the odd game when I'm at the doctor's waiting room, and provide away-from-home Internet access once in a while; I don't need a toy pocket computer, I have a desktop and a laptop for serious computing at home.
That said, I hate iTunes, and I think the iPhone is, ironically, a lousy music player (the music player interface is awful, Android's is better) but at least it doesn't freeze, hang, or reboot on me like my two Android tablets do.

Pressing buttons in a mobile game

[tepples]

Not all video game genres are amenable to the sort of point-and-click play commonly associated with the input device that ships with every smartphone. Pressing one of more than two different virtual buttons at the side of the screen is an exercise in frustration, as if I'm focusing on the real-time action in the middle of the screen, I have no cues with which to align my thumbs over the buttons. I'm aware that physical controllers for phones exist, but let me know when a manufacturer of such controllers publishes sales figures so that developers of mobile games know how many users they can reach.

Re:Pressing buttons in a mobile game

[Tough Love]

Well yeah, I hate gaming on a phone just as much as you. But that doesn't change the fact, most games today are played on phones, and increasingly those are GPU intensive 3D games, not just plants vs zombies crap.

World's most expensive and locked down (again)

[Anonymous Coward]

there's that, too.

Re:No iphones in Federal prison, sorry Trump trait

[Anonymous Coward]

Or in Anderson Cooper's hip waders.

Does This Matter?

[organgtool]

According to Apple fans, people don't buy phones based on specs or benchmarks. Or is that point only relevant when Apple isn't at the top of the list?

Yaay

[Anonymous Coward]

Now the 90% of iPhone user base who are teen girls can load facebook snapchat, and instagram. .03 seconds faster for only $1,000 oh joy!!!!!!

How bout that glass?

[uvajed_ekil]

I haven't seen anything reported yet, so I'll ask: do the new Iphones come pre-cracked, or do you still have to wait two weeks until you have a broken screen? Faster is nice, we haven't seen any real progress from apple in a while.

Stats and percentages...

[torkus]

... are all they're selling because there's nothing new otherwise.

Remember when Apple would launch a cool new feature (like MMS ... lol) with each phone generation? Now they launch percentages and benchmarks.

Other than the necessity to keep reasonably current for support and updates, there's just no significant benefit to upgrading your phone these days. Apples presentation makes that crystal clear if you compare it to one for a few years back.

Faster phone calls

[Anonymous Coward]

I am getting an Apple now so I can make faster phone calls.