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Xiaomi Admits To Putting Ads In the Settings Menu of Its Phones (theverge.com)

Xiaomi, the world's fourth largest smartphone maker, was caught by a Reddit user for placing ads in the settings menu of its smartphones. The ads reportedly show up in Xiaomi's MIUI apps, including the music app and settings menu (MIUI is the name of Xiaomi's skinned version of Android). The Verge reports: When The Verge reached out to Xiaomi for confirmation on this matter, the company responded with the following statement, while also clarifying that it only applies to its devices running MIUI and not its Android One phones: "Advertising has been and will continue to be an integral part of Xiaomi's Internet services, a key component of the company's business model. At the same time, we will uphold user experience by offering options to turn off the ads and by constantly improving our approach towards advertising, including adjusting where and when ads appear. Our philosophy is that ads should be unobtrusive, and users always have the option of receiving fewer recommendations."

46 comments

  1. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you sell me a device, charge me enough that you can make the profit you want, and stop trying to make money off me through questionable means in perpetuity.

    1. Re:How about... by Dantoo · · Score: 1

      I am going to Google that statement and see if it has a chance.

    2. Re: How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is selling ads "shady"?

    3. Re: How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is selling ads "shady"?

      Because they likely don't advertise the device as a portable billboard that you can fit in your pocket.

      Saying "Xiaomi Mi Commercial Break 3 with Snapdragon 660, featuring AI Advertisement Delivery" doesn't sell phones, probably.

    4. Re: How about... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Any sufficiently connected device is a portable billboard that you can fit in your pocket. If it has a web browser, you will see ads. That's how the web works now.

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    5. Re: How about... by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      If it has a web browser, you will see ads. That's how the web works now.

      Now?! Where you been for the past 20 or so years?!

      Only the hoi polloi see ads. Those who know run adblockers.

      Who knows how long *that'll* last...

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    6. Re: How about... by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      For every new ad breakthrough, there will be a blocker.

      Even if we have to find the source IP and null route it, we'll do so. The Internet is not one huge playing field for the Direct Marketing Association and Google Adwords.

      I'm blocking 19 scripts on this page alone. When I find ways to block more, I will. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

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    7. Re: How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's obnoxious and usually spyware. I'm with OP, if these companies *need* to charge more per product up-front to stay in business, then that's what they should do. I will gladly pay full price to not have a crippleware phone/device/computer.

    8. Re: How about... by chrish · · Score: 1

      I don't see ads on my phone when browsing. The current version of Firefox on Android supports the same extensions as the desktop version. uBlock Origin FTW!

      I also rarely browse on my phone because I hate touch interfaces with the burning rage of 1000 suns, but when I have to, no ads.

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    9. Re: How about... by BlazeMiskulin · · Score: 1

      Then you go ahead and pay more for such a phone--that's your choice.

      Xiaomi operates differently--and they've never hidden this fact. They sell high-quality handsets at razor-thin margins, openly stating that they will make their money from advertisements, in-app purchases, add-ons, and up-sells. This is the way the economy works in China, India, and most of Asia. People there are happy to watch ads if it means they get a phone for under a third the price (iPhone 8 = $699, Xiaomi 8 = $204).

      This whole kerfluffle just highlights how oblivious people are to how things work in the rest of the world.

  2. Corporate Speak by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Just more bullshit corporate speak.

  3. Nothing by markdavis · · Score: 2

    Nothing quite says "you don't really own your device" more than forced advertising. And their answer is pretty weak/non-specific. And I wonder if they advertise/disclose this to potential purchasers.

    1. Re:Nothing by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      My Kindle Fires have ads on them. Of course I got a pretty sweet 8" full HD tablet for $59, so I guess that's the price I pay - ads on the lock screen.

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    2. Re:Nothing by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The appropriate response for end users. I know exactly what would cut back on shit ads, lets make companies, any company that promotes products, financially liable for the products they promote. See, they fucking called it a recommendation, they are recommending the product by intent and for profit and thus should be legally liable for any failure of the product or service.

      Want to see change in the advertising model, makes those selling advertising, legally liable, by Xiaomi's own mouth, for the products they recommend. Every company, every blog, anyone who shows a product or service recommendation for profit, liable for the failure of that product or service.

      Why the fuck should companies who profit by recommending shit product be free from the legal liability for that failed product, how the fuck did they escape that, they are selling it, they should be liable for it. So when companies are sued for failed product, those who advertised it, are also sued and all the victims have access to their pockets as well. Why can't you sue google when it recommends crap on it's advertising platform, they are selling it to you, targeting your personally, manipulating your choice, where the fuck is their legal responsibility for the qualities of the products or services they sell on their advertising platform, corruptly absent it would seem.

      Even when they sell it directly https://www.smh.com.au/money/b..., they still claim innocence. Google should be hit in the courts for this, right alongside the fraudster, the executive who approved the sale, should enjoy a custodial sentence for their criminal negligence or were they paid to allow the product to be sold, well they were paid, they are professionals, they are experts and they were 100% criminally negligent and should get a major fine, a major civil suit by those banks for damaged reputation and a custodial sentence for whom ever at Google was involved.

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    3. Re:Nothing by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Nothing quite says "you don't really own your device" more than forced advertising. And their answer is pretty weak/non-specific. And I wonder if they advertise/disclose this to potential purchasers.

      But they have headphone jacks, so all is well.

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    4. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it was specific enough - when ads appear - meaning you do NOT have an OFF button. You are not in control. First we had phone locking, then vendor devices, with vendor backdoors and no security upgrades. Now we have compulsory crapware - which by the way breaks things for people with disabilities/blind and emergency calls.I wonder if advertisers know deaf people use phones too.

      The regulators should make it compulsory to warn and notify purchasers of any setting that cannot be turned off in huge print. I think a troublemaker should pay to push 'adult product or services ads', Tinder ads, Kinderguardian ads, beer ads, so that little 8 year or 13 year old owner sues for inappropriate push ads. If not as most will have a CVE, use a CVE to amplify that feature, and inject gross ads, on say a subway .

      Push ads are a danger - lets hope they become a legal liability as well.

    5. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but you can turn those off for a one-time fee of $25.

    6. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, RTFA. They are not advertisements, but unobtrusive recommendations. And user has option for "fewer" recommendations.

      Of course "fewer" can mean only 900 autoplay-un-skippable force-audio ads per week instead of 910.

    7. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Kindle Fires have ads on them. Of course I got a pretty sweet 8" full HD tablet for $59, so I guess that's the price I pay - ads on the lock screen.

      My phone had those (which is why I got it cheap) but I could delete what was producing them, using ADB. Didn't even need root.

      I guess neither the phone manufacturer nor Amazon cared enough to stop that - the fraction of people who would do that is too small.

    8. Re:Nothing by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Amazon is pretty upfront when buying a version of their devices that displays ads.

    9. Re:Nothing by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      I hold my TV manufacturer responsible for every commercial I see. And my radio for all commercials I hear.

      And I hold my friends criminally responsible if they suggest (or advertise) a product to me as well.

    10. Re:Nothing by derrickn · · Score: 1

      Nothing quite says "you don't really own your device" more than forced advertising. And their answer is pretty weak/non-specific. And I wonder if they advertise/disclose this to potential purchasers.

      Nothing? Check out what John Deere is doing with their tractors and combines and then get back to me. And not an ad in sight ...

  4. They got 'caught' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Language seems rather sensationalist. They got 'caught'? Really you mean they were hoping no-one would see the ads? Sounds kind of counter-intuitive.

    1. Re:They got 'caught' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nudes!

  5. One reason I quit U-Verse by Snotnose · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They put ads in the channel menu. You could remove those channels (it was a royal pain in the ass), but they'd pop up again after a few days.

    Hey U-Verse, if you can't make money charging me $140/month for lowest tier cable, then fuck you. I don't want to see your fucking ads when I channel surf.

    tldr; Last May I canned U-verse, went from $140+/month to Cox cable basic internet for $15, and I'm not missing a thing. Then again, I spent about $300 one time charge for hardware (cable modem, pi 3B+, router) and am pretty good with bit-torrent. I figure 4-5 years before "pirating" stuff gets hard to do, but by then I plan to have 10-15 years of stuff on my NAS to watch. I'm old, if I'm not dead in 15 years I'll come up with a plan B.

    1. Re:One reason I quit U-Verse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your tl;dr is longer than your post!

    2. Re:One reason I quit U-Verse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't want to see your fucking ads when I channel surf

      What is this, the 90s?

    3. Re:One reason I quit U-Verse by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      I said I was old!

    4. Re:One reason I quit U-Verse by four20_BlzItFgt · · Score: 1

      Hav u herd of kodi? Free tv, ads are ok

    5. Re:One reason I quit U-Verse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great for you, not so great for anything you're pirating.

  6. Caught? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They didn't get caught, they did it publicly.

  7. Why are ads worth any money? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    Aren't people becoming desensitized to ads? You'd think the free market would have driven the price advertisers are willing to pay so low as to not be worth the 10 seconds it takes a developer to paste the support code into an application.

    There are metrics on who clicks the ads, and that is still conceivable worth money if the data is good. But if half the people accidentally click an ad trying to access the brightness setting for their phone, that's worthless data and advertisers ought to learn not to pay for garbage.

    P.S. I was really disappointed when the market for banner ads crashed in the late 1990's and it didn't completely die. I hoped they would finally ceases and go back to TV, radio, newspaper, etc. Instead we got pop-ups, then pop-unders, then overlays. And Google came in on the upswing and turned web advertising in a trillion dollar industry.

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    1. Re:Why are ads worth any money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, this is easy.

      You know how the people the advertise the hardest are probably just scamming you anyway, and the rest are only kind of lying slightly?

      This might shock you, but those same advertisers are ripping off the people that pay for the ads.

      And what's even less surprising is that big, slow moving, not thinking companies don't realize that they are throwing money away.

    2. Re:Why are ads worth any money? by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Advertising is about selling useless ads to stupid companies, not selling useless shit to stupid people.

  8. Not reassuring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it only applies to its devices running MIUI and not its Android One phones

    OH! So it's only in the software we made, not the software that Google makes for us. No need to worry.

    Seriously, if you're using a Xiaomi phone with the fake iOS software on it, you should be ashamed of yourself anyway.

  9. Logical blunders 101 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quote: "Our philosophy is that ads should be unobtrusive, and users always have the option of receiving fewer recommendations."

    Well, if we ALWAYS have the option of "fewer recommendations", I guess we can just keep decreasing until "fewer recommendations" = 0.

  10. Fuck off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assholes

  11. That would be like MS putting ads in solitaire. by technosaurus · · Score: 1

    Oh wait, they did.

    1. Re:That would be like MS putting ads in solitaire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did it also on start menu and via pop up notifications. So Xiaomi is not yet as bad as MS when it comes to screwing up their customers.

  12. This is what could kill Android. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    I'm with Google. I use Android, I'm in the local Google developer group and my last two pieces of hardware I got are Chromebooks. I turn off location most of the time but I don't have a single doubt that the almighty Google knows more about me than anything else ever could.

    But if they start pushing ads on me in the most obscure places I'm out faster than you can say "Google Takeout".

    It is clear to me that for this exact problem we need an alternative to Android and iOS.

    It's a shame that Firefox OS got axed. They went it too big and had to draw out. I don't trust Kai os enough and purisms Linux phone is a tad on the expensive side.

    This is a problem we will need to attack sooner or later.

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    1. Re:This is what could kill Android. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://e.foundation/

    2. Re:This is what could kill Android. by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Well, (AFAIK) so far they're the only manufacturer to do this. You have plenty of choices in Android land. But of course I don't like it and I hope other Android manufacturers don't copy this. It was bad enough when Microsoft included ads for their own products in Windows 10.

    3. Re:This is what could kill Android. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://postmarketos.org/

      Intended to be a Linux distro that fixes this problem. It turns shit into gold :D

  13. Oh look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh look! Another Chinese manufacturer filling computers with spyware and adware! WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

  14. Android One by sad_ · · Score: 1

    And that is the reason you should always buy an Android One phone.
    If the phone isn't in the Android One program, i don't want it.
    Next up the list of features should be if the phone is supported by one of the major custom roms.

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