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Did John Deere Just Swindle California's Farmers Out of Their Right to Repair? (wired.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a new Wired opinion piece by Kyle Wiens and Elizabeth Chamberlain from iFixit:
A big California farmers' lobbying group just blithely signed away farmers' right to access or modify the source code of any farm equipment software. As an organization representing 2.5 million California agriculture jobs, the California Farm Bureau gave up the right to purchase repair parts without going through a dealer. Farmers can't change engine settings, can't retrofit old equipment with new features, and can't modify their tractors to meet new environmental standards on their own. Worse, the lobbyists are calling it a victory.... John Deere and friends had already made every single "concession" earlier this year...
Just after the California bill was introduced, the farm equipment manufacturers started circulating a flyer titled "Manufacturers and Dealers Support Commonsense Repair Solutions." In that document, they promised to provide manuals, guides, and other information by model year 2021. But the flyer insisted upon a distinction between a right to repair a vehicle and a right to modify software, a distinction that gets murky when software controls all of a tractor's operations. As Jason Koebler of Motherboard reported, that flyer is strikingly similar -- in some cases, identical word-for-word -- to the agreement the Farm Bureau just brokered...
Instead of presenting a unified right-to-repair front, this milquetoast agreement muddies the conversation. More worryingly, it could cement a cultural precedent for electronics manufacturers who want to block third-party repair technicians from accessing a device's software.
Just after the California bill was introduced, the farm equipment manufacturers started circulating a flyer titled "Manufacturers and Dealers Support Commonsense Repair Solutions." In that document, they promised to provide manuals, guides, and other information by model year 2021. But the flyer insisted upon a distinction between a right to repair a vehicle and a right to modify software, a distinction that gets murky when software controls all of a tractor's operations. As Jason Koebler of Motherboard reported, that flyer is strikingly similar -- in some cases, identical word-for-word -- to the agreement the Farm Bureau just brokered...
Instead of presenting a unified right-to-repair front, this milquetoast agreement muddies the conversation. More worryingly, it could cement a cultural precedent for electronics manufacturers who want to block third-party repair technicians from accessing a device's software.
Don't buy John Deere. If I were one of their competitors, I'd be jumping all over this to steal their customers.
A big California farmers' lobbying group just blithely signed away farmers' right to access or modify the source code of any farm equipment software.
No swindle at all. Straight out agreement by the farmers' lobbying group.
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No. Sounds like their own lobbying group did.
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to capitulate. Did they buy off a bunch of them? Sounds like it. I can't imagine why else a lobbying group for farmers would do the exact opposite of what their constituents want.
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It never ceases to amaze me at how people often times create and support the very institutions that wind up oppressing them, while they develop Stockholm syndrome and refuse to push off the oppression they must suffer out of fear that something worse could happen.
If you are willing to make multiple deals with a lot of devils, maybe you should not complain so much and wonder at which point you caused this problem for yourself.
What's that? Everyone else is doing it? You don't have a choice? Yes, neither did every other person that risked everything to change the world huh?
The change in the world starts with you, when they are ready they will stop buying John Deere and stop giving this corrupt institution their money. Rip it to pieces and build a new that one still cares and when that one stops caring you rip it down and build a new one again.
The price is "Eternal Vigilance" and for some reason people think they can solve a problem once and for all, well you just can't.
They are plus a ukraining company that I can't remember.
However tractors tend to be long term investment s(20-40 years) and change is slow. This law was focusing on people who bought tractors 10- 15 years ago and need updates and repair work.
John Deere is long term destroying their brand. So sad.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
Really expensive overdesigned cars are extremely hard and expensive to repair.
I drive an old Ford Ranger that was only $15000 brand new. It doesn't have any of the options to fail. Crank windows, no factory A.C., and the small 4 cylinder engine. It's been cheap and easy to maintain and currently has about 198,000 miles on the odometer.
It's not like buying something like oil. It's capital investment and it affect the stuff you've already bought.
This is Deere turning an occasional choice about which farmers do have choice into regular payments for which they won't have choice.
This all reminds me of something Gandhi once said. A reporter asked him what he thought of Western Civilization, and he replied that he thought it would be a good idea. Capitalism only works because of competition, but companies do everything they can to avoid actually competing, for example making it hard to compare their products to other vendors (boy to vendors hate being in "commodity" businesses), or in this case by trying to make it difficult for customers to choose competitors for some transactions.
And if it's legal to evade competiing, why not? The fact that this undermines the justification for capitalism isn't your problem. This is a situation where you need regulation to ensure a free market can operate the way its' suppose to.
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Like anyone on Slashdot gives a shit about California farmers.
You're right, few here care about the farmers but we do care about the status of Right To Repair legislation. It should be obvious that this kind of legislation is applicable to DRM and service schemes everywhere to keep tech savvy people (like slashdotters) out. You may be surprised to hear it but tons of stuff (like your car, various smart devices, etc) are all "you don't really own it" things.
That said, I do have a friend (via IRC) that is a tech savvy farmer (in Iowa) and I would like him to hack and repair his tractors to his heart's content.
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Capitalism only works because of competition, but companies do everything they can to avoid actually competing ...
Good observation. I like to say that there is absolutely one thing that you can always count on a corporate entity to do: protect an established revenue stream.
A corporation does not have morals or loyalty even though many of them do their best to create the illusion. They will lie about science, bribe governments, destroy competitors if they can get away with it and often, if they have the short-term mindset and think they can get away with it, wring out their customer base like a dirty washrag. That last seems to be what is happening here.
Obviously, that's stupid. The barriers-to-entry are too high in a market this mature. But then, you knew that.
There is *nothing* un-capitalist about government regulation, so long as it is the right kind of regulation. Legislation that mandates that these software solutions be open and available for third-party modification is exactly the right kind of regulation that help keeps a market competitive.
That remains to be seen. Musk has been more successful than, say, Fisker, but itâ(TM)s still more likely to join the ranks of Delorean, Packard, Duesenberg, and Steudebaker than it is to become another Mercedes, Ford, or Toyota.
You're thinking of Belarus, which is a big seller in the Central Valley.
Musk could well do so. But, so far he has fought on the opposite side. So, it seems that Musk is strenuously opposed to the right to repair concept and open software is just laughable.
Well, in my case...not so hard. There's a 175 amp switcher to run 12 volt stuff, battery under the hatch in the back. Plenty of room for an inverter or switcher - either of which can charge my house batteries (2500 a/h at 24v) which then run the inverters that run the rest - that would be up to 8kw rms and about 20 peak. In "be careful" mode my campus only draws ~ 300w average. or 12 amps at 24v nominal. In theory you could hack the 110kw inverter that runs the normal electric motor, but...that's a lot of work and I don't need that many kw (for that short a time, either). Chevy has an update to stop me from doing this, which I didn't allow to be put in (unlike Tesla, you have a choice). It would have stopped the backup gasoline engine from starting with the car in park in the driveway (which is the mode that will enable that big 12 switcher that runs on the main batteries).
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There is simply no point in letting people own their own family farms..
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The following is probably wasted on you but here it is anyway:
Yes there is absolutely a good reason for family farms. They produce vastly better product. Go to any Farmers market in any of thousands of cities that take place weekly surrounded by large-scale grocery stores that are selling the factory-farmed products (produce, meats, jams). Every week they are packed. Many times if you get there later than 9AM you will find all the eggs have been sold.
Why is that? The head of lettuce farmed locally (organically farmed or not) tasted better and is better nutrition as opposed to the one trucked in from a factory farm 2000 miles away. The factory farms and big agribusiness are extremely efficient at selling cheap calories. For good nutrition and better living not so much.