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Vivaldi 2.0 Desktop Browser Featuring Expanded Customization, Sync Across Devices and Privacy Tools Released [Q&A With Founder] (vivaldi.com)

Vivaldi announced Wednesday it has released a major update to its namesake desktop web browser, remaining as one of the rare companies that is still attempting to fight Google's monopoly in the space. Major features in Vivaldi 2.0 include: Syncing browsers across computers:Version 2.0 allows users to sync data, including bookmarks, passwords, autofill information, and history. Vivaldi uses its own servers to store the data, which is all encrypted end-to-end.
Panels: These are expandable, multi-tasking dashboards that can be opened in the sidebar.
Tab management: Additional features are included that allow for better searching through tabs, stacking them, and even renaming them.
History: Offers new ways to track your usage, including generating statistics and a visual history feature.
Vivaldi was founded by Jon von Tetzchner, who also co-founded Opera and served as its chief executive for a number of years. Jon has been vocal about what many find unfair tactics employed by Google and Microsoft to aggressively expand the user bases of their respective browsers. Slashdot had a chance to speak with Jon recently: Slashdot: One of the biggest complaints that people have about browsers today is just how much memory they consume. Is it a lost-cause? What is Vivaldi doing to address this?
Jon: This is very true. Browsers can use a lot of memory. We have worked hard to reduce that load. The most important thing we have done there is the lazy loading of tabs. When you have a lot of tabs, you use a lot of memory, but with Vivaldi, we will only load the tabs once you need them. We also have the ability to hibernate background tabs, by right clicking the tab bar, which will free up a lot of memory. Besides this we are always looking at how to make the browser use less memory and be faster. There is a lot of details there, but with the feedback from our users, we continue to improve every single part of the browser.

Slashdot: You are offering a browser, and a web email client and service provider. Is Vivaldi attempting to offer a catalog of services? And if so, what more could we expect from the company in the long-term?
Jon: The focus for us is the browser, but we believe the browser should be able to do more than it does today, so we will continue to expand on the features we offer in the browser. We have been open about the fact that we aim to provide an email client in the browser, but that will come in the future, but we are, as you pointed out, providing the free email service. This is in addition to our free blog, forums and sync service. We feel there is a need for these services, free from ads and free from building of super profiles. Our free webmail service is thus without ads and we do not scan mails, except for spam and viruses. We will continue to add services to support the browser or where we feel a service supplements the browser in a good way.

Slashdot: You have been vocal about some of the tactics Google and Microsoft use to promote their own browsers. Following the news cycle, we don't think things have changed much. What's your view on it?
Jon: No, sadly things have not changed much. Microsoft continues to push their browser in their operating system, at times taking over the default browser as well. They also block competing browsers on their Windows 10S. Google sadly blocks some competing browsers from using their services, even browsers such as Vivaldi, that is based on Chromium. We need to change our identity when visiting many Google services. I guess my feeling is that those large companies should not and should not need to behave this way.

Slashdot: Chrome continues to be a market leader. Firefox, despite some of its recent changes, has lost some of the market. How hard is it for a browser company to survive these days? And why is it important that someone continues to fight back?
Jon: We all know that browser choice is a good thing, even more so than for most other products. The browser is your view into the Internet and we all spend a lot of time there. Healthy competition means product innovation and lower prices (this is not only about the price of the product, but also what you have to give up in other ways, such as your private information). Monopolies tend slow down innovation and also there is a tendency for them to use their position in one market to attack another.
It is not trivial to compete with these large corporations, but it is something we enjoy. We fight for our users and for the future of the Internet. That is definitely something worth fighting for.

Slashdot: Are you folks still working on a mobile browser?
Jon: Indeed we are. We aim to get it out there as soon as we can. We are ramping up the team after then 2.0 release to move faster.
Further reading: The Next Web, and VentureBeat.

67 comments

  1. Re:Sigh. by Rockoon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I tend to agree.

    Opera in its heyday was outstanding. Get back to making a power browser that is setting the trend, not following it.

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    "His name was James Damore."
  2. Did you even look at the feature set? by grandmofftarkin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oh yes, a Chrome clone because Chrome has

      Tab stacking
      Tab tiling
      Web panels
      Notes
      Advanced themeing support
      Full page image capture
      Customizable keyboard shortcuts
      Mouse gestures
      Quick commands
      History in Calendar view with stats and graphs

    Oh wait, it doesn't

    1. Re: Did you even look at the feature set? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Full page image capture lol

    2. Re:Did you even look at the feature set? by coofercat · · Score: 4, Informative

      It can't be a Chrome clone, because it doesn't keep you logged into Google when you clear cookies ;-)

      https://fossbytes.com/chrome-d...

    3. Re:Did you even look at the feature set? by ledow · · Score: 1, Informative

      Did you ever use Opera? I mean really?

      Because I was a paying customer back before... was it 3.5?

      They have literally changed the Vivaldi icon THREE times in the last two years. They have put in all kind of nonsense theming. But still, it's "just a browser".

      Despite a preview version being released with an email client in it "by mistake".

      Opera was also a torrent downloader, an RSS feed reader, IMAP/POP mail client, and a bunch of other things. Also not present in Vivaldi. Hell, if you do a laundry list of "what Opera had" it puts every modern browser to shame. Vivaldi "letting you customise keyboard shortcuts" is a LONG way from that. And they had 90% of those in the very first version of Vivaldi.

      What I want is what Opera was, which is what Vivaldi was promised to be, which is a long way from what it currently is, which is nothing more than a Chrome clone like many others, with barely a single feature that isn't available as a million-and-one Chrome Extensions already.

    4. Re:Did you even look at the feature set? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes. It can be a ressource hog. But Vivaldi has a better way of managing the memory, and can even "hibernate" tabs, which remove them from memory. So, better than Chrome here.
      Also, for the features, everybody is different. But the mouse gesture are awesome for me. Also, being able to show a splited view of two tabs at the same time can be a real time saver. But YMMV

    5. Re:Did you even look at the feature set? by johnsie · · Score: 1

      It does when you install plugins.

    6. Re:Did you even look at the feature set? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opera had ~500 devs. Vivaldi has 30. Be patient. Some of what you are citing is in the work right now.

    7. Re:Did you even look at the feature set? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That "It's not globally useful so delete it" is why GNOME and Chrome and other tools are stripped down and useless for power users.

      Each of these features are things that some group of people thought were useful enough to request for development.

    8. Re: Did you even look at the feature set? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite a good feature actually.

    9. Re: Did you even look at the feature set? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. I have used it more times than I ever thought I would. It's great for capturing electronic receipts and invoices. Also, no other browser has the ability.

      Some of my favourites from Vivaldi:

      Collapsible sidebar for tabs, history, bookmarks, download and notes. No browsers other than Opera and Vivaldi has this functionality.

      Notes! I use the hell out of Vivaldi's notes feature, just as I did with Opera years ago.

      Custom colour schemes that change throughout the day to match the light level and colour temperature.

      Custom address bar where I can remove any annoyances I want, such as the menu button, home button, rubbish bin button, audio playing overlay on tabs, etc.

      I have been using Vivaldi for several years now and it's actually at the point where it has surpassed Opera v12.17 (the last real Opera) in features. When someone like OP writes something idiotic like "it's just a Chrome clone", that tells me immediately that they have never actually used or seen Vivaldi in action. Quite the opposite. Vivaldi is the only Chromium-based browser I have seen that has gone its own way and blazed a trail of features that other browsers simply don't have and probably never will.

    10. Re:Did you even look at the feature set? by karbonforms · · Score: 1

      Vertical tabs is my #1 reason.

  3. Did you actually look at the feature set by grandmofftarkin · · Score: 4, Informative

    no, didn't think so

    1. Re:Did you actually look at the feature set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      so can you right click an element and say"block this" yet? nope... i can do it in opera...

    2. Re:Did you actually look at the feature set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you know you can use any Chrome extension in Vivaldi ? So, indeed, with uBlocko, I can right click an element and say "block this"...

    3. Re:Did you actually look at the feature set by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Extensions are a malware and spyware vector, and notice how you arent pushing AdBlock or AdBlockPlus any longer.

      So what you are saying is that the browser doesnt need this feature because you can trust random people instead.

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    4. Re:Did you actually look at the feature set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. I'm saying that in the meantime, there is a solution for that. And since there is a solution, and the devs aren't many, they can concentrate on others stuffs for now.

    5. Re: Did you actually look at the feature set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put in a pull request or submit some code.

  4. Installing on a mac by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you're using a Mac on the desktop, and use Homebrew Cask to install software with a quick terminal command, know that I've just submitted a pull request so this new version can be quickly installed.

    Anyway -- I did not expect them to keep living, but I'm really happy that these guys keep on chugging along, and getting ready for the next version. A couple of years ago it seemed that Chrome was the be-all and end-all of browsers. However, lately Google is turning up the profiling dial and I moved to Firefox and when I need the engine, Vivaldi.

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  5. Privacy from everyone except Google. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find the claims of privacy laughable. Like Chrome, this browser sends every url you go to to google, probably Vivaldies Google Anal ytics. But it's ok as long as it's the worlds largest spy organization right?

    1. Re:Privacy from everyone except Google. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      something.. something.. apk.

      where the fuck is he? this was the perfect lead-in for his shitspam.

    2. Re: Privacy from everyone except Google. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop

  6. tails of a Vivaldi user.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've used just about every browser over the years going back to Mosiac. Lately none of them really have everything Firefox pre XUL deprecation. There is a shit tonne of crap that goes on behind the scenes, much of which are not caught by uBO or uM. Vivaldi is really no different.

    There are things I like aboute Vivaldi like the tab management, but a lot drives me crazy too. It crashes, often usually overnight but some sites like Twitch eat the thing for lunch (scrolling their directory for example). The bulk of privacy / security "issues" I have with Chrome however remain. Cookies for example, are still hidden behind a UI most people won't know where to find it let alone what the settings mean. Why is there no longer an option to "ask every time"? Instead you have to guess if a site is even trying to use cookies or click on the lock icon which most people would associate with SSL, not cookies. In the same regard why is there no options to disable HSTS or persist SSL exceptions? Why is the default not to jail browsers first, _ask_ questions later? Websockets, Webasm, etc - these are critical things that would set a brwoser apart from Mozilla and Google. I'd actually be fine with a broser that DIDN'T support all of HTML5.

    At this point I use a browser because I have to not because I want to. If a company manages to turn that around they would have no problem getting paid for it from me. So long as browsers continue to copy Google I don't see that happening any time soon.

  7. Proprietary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This does rule it out for me. Plus: "we believe the browser should be able to do more than it does today" (Jon von Tetzchner) -- this sounds to me rather like a menace. Thanks, but no, thanks.

    I want to *know positively* that my MUA (mail user agent, aka "email client") won't be interpreting (or compiling) random Javascript snippets from there and yonder, be them from Google, Microsoft or Vivaldi's "services".

    Sorry, not my browser. Missed by a far margin.

    1. Re:Proprietary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's proprietary, but you still have access to the whole code. The C++ side at https://vivaldi.com/source/, and the JS side inside each install.

    2. Re:Proprietary. by mi · · Score: 1

      The C++ side at https://vivaldi.com/source/

      The most recent version available there is 1.15.1147 — not the 2.x being discussed... Maybe, it is just the site-maintainer's oversight, of course.

      --
      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    3. Re:Proprietary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because they put the code there only when the branch is over : 2.0 will have minor and silent updates. Publishing all the sources all the times isn't the best solution, so they'll wait until there is no more minor and silent updates.

  8. Still no good bookmark menu? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    That is basically the only thing I really want. Other than that, Vivaldi is a good browser, but bookmarks are clunky.
    Please just take the bookmark-menu of Opera 12.x and implement the same functionality into Vivaldi. Thanks.

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    1. Re:Still no good bookmark menu? by Skulthur · · Score: 2

      Actually, the bookmark menu was added a couple versions ago (it took a while though). Seems to be pretty similar to what it was in opera 12.x.

    2. Re:Still no good bookmark menu? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Somebody asked me about bookmarks the other day and I realized I don't even use bookmarks. I either just type the name of the site I want to visit, or follow a link from my RSS reader. Sometimes I just do a search in Google. At the end of the day, typing a search term into Google is usually faster than navigating a hundred bookmarks. The browsers remember URLs and with autocomplete for the URLs you visit a lot. A bookmarks feature would have to be much more feature rich to have any real use. Something like keeping a copy of the page and then being able to search the bookmarks by content would be nice. A backup copy of the site would also be nice in the situation where the site gets taken down or changed from what I originally bookmarked.

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      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    3. Re:Still no good bookmark menu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody asked me about bookmarks the other day and I realized I don't even use bookmarks. I either just type the name of the site I want to visit, or follow a link from my RSS reader. Sometimes I just do a search in Google. At the end of the day, typing a search term into Google is usually faster than navigating a hundred bookmarks.

      That's great if you happen to remember wtf you're looking for.

      I use a ton of bookmarks at work for our internal shit that I don't actually remember the name of. Sorry, but organized bookmarks can be extremely handy.

    4. Re:Still no good bookmark menu? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Oops, you are correct! I was using a not-quite so clunky addon and never noticed the new menu on top of the window.

      This is pretty much what I wanted. Thanks for pointing it out to me!

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    5. Re:Still no good bookmark menu? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

      Opera uses Chromium's Blink now..... so disappointing, for those of us trying to avoid Google and Chromium.

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    6. Re:Still no good bookmark menu? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, Chromium is better than Chrome.

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  9. Why different? by aglider · · Score: 1

    Please, elaborate more on differences with Chrome and Firefox. Besides the name, of course.

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    1. Re:Why different? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Firefox works if your OS is more than a year old, so that's one.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:Why different? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      Firefox is not now XP compatible
      It's been a pig on that platform for the last year though, load one simple webpage and it starts taking up 50% or more of CPU, and a GB of RAM.
      FFS.
      Used to be lean and mean. Now bloated clumsy and annoying.

  10. Why Vivaldi? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "... I did not expect them to keep living..."

    What is their purpose in producing Vivaldi? Do they make money? How?

    What privacy issues does Vivaldi have?

  11. Bollocks to their servers by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Version 2.0 allows users to sync data, including bookmarks, passwords, autofill information, and history. Vivaldi uses its own servers to store the data

    Fuck that. Why can't I sync it to my usb drive?

    Without frigging about at the OS level, I mean.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    1. Re:Bollocks to their servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can install as a standalone on a USB drive if you want. But beware, due to Blink's limitations, you won't be able to save your passwords. All the rest will work.

  12. Thanks by snkhere · · Score: 0, Troll

    Thanks guys! Vivaldi is the only viable alternative to Chrome (sell your soul to advertisers) and FF (too many SJW side projects, focus on the browser ffs). Please clone Opera 10.5.

    1. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Palemoon is a great browser.

  13. Make it a subscription browser by sproketboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do like Netflix.

    A few bucks a month subscription give you no adds for any provider content. Content providers are paid by views.

    Win.

    1. Re:Make it a subscription browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a good way to ensure nobody actually uses the browser. Most people on the internet today don't remember a time when you had to buy an internet browser from a store/catalog, and they'd certainly balk at the idea of paying monthly to use a browser, even if it somehow managed to block all ads from every site (which it wouldn't, since the income from the 20 people who'd use it wouldn't cover the costs of paying sites by views).

    2. Re:Make it a subscription browser by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This is just increase the gap between smaller and larger sites.

      Larger sites will be able to sign up and get their cut. Smaller sites will find it too expensive - the infrastructure to manage paid up users, record views accurately, audits etc. Smaller sites will have to stick with ads, making it even harder to compete.

      Plus it would give yet another entity visibility of your browsing habits.

      For a scheme like this to work it would need to be decentralised.

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    3. Re:Make it a subscription browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That system should have a donation or a payment system integrated as well. Easy and relatively secure way to support open source projects and websites the user is personally interested in would allow more donations and support to materialize from users. Make that a credit card free system as well and see that international payments don't take 80% of the payment as banking fees on the way..

    4. Re:Make it a subscription browser by sproketboy · · Score: 1

      I don't see this as particularity worse than things are now. This idea may not be a perfect solution but I'm not so sure leaving the entire financial foundation of the internet to an industry whos entire goal is to manipulate human physiology is such a great idea either.

  14. Re:Sigh. by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

    Opera in its heyday was outstanding. Get back to making a power browser that is setting the trend, not following it.

    AKA a market leader. Here's another market leader, IE (AKA Over the Edge) right now:

    Have you seen them?
    Which way did they go?
    I MUST find them!
    ... soon, and without fail!
    ... for I am their LEADER!

    Link

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  15. Extensions by temcat · · Score: 1

    Does it seamlessly support Chrome extensions?

    1. Re:Extensions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ublock origin, foxy proxy, stylus and RES seem to work without issue, I guess there must be something in the extensions API that doesn't work but I couldn't find it.

  16. Does Vivaldi still phones home ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does Vivaldi still phones home every 24h as per https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/ ?
    I still won't use it.

    1. Re:Does Vivaldi still phones home ? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just use your firewall it block Vivaldi's access to the internet. Problem solved.

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    2. Re:Does Vivaldi still phones home ? by DaTrueDave · · Score: 1

      Just use your firewall it block Vivaldi's access to the internet. Problem solved.

      If only I had mod points to give. I'd definitely mod "insightful" and not "funny."

    3. Re:Does Vivaldi still phones home ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that an update check, or are you just happy to ping me?

  17. Chrome Clone by DarkRookie · · Score: 1

    Nothing special.
    Just Chrome with a few bits tacked on.

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    The millennial that doesn't like most of the stuff designed for millennials.
  18. installed, ried, uninstalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    installed

    pro: like the idea of tabs on left.

    con: ctrl-n started a new tab instead of a new window instance on the windows toolbar

    con: cleaned up my url's(nope! google is pulling that crap which is the only reason id look elsewhere, leave the damned urls alone!!!)

    uninstalled

  19. License by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 1

    No question about license?

    Disappointing.

    Vivaldi is base an open source Blink engine.

    Why not open source Vivaldi also.

    How can yet another proprietary browser really compete against Chrome/Chromium or Firefox?

    1. Re:License by mi · · Score: 1

      No question about license?

      The LICENSE file bundled inside the source tarball seems BSD (3-clause).

      Why not open source Vivaldi also.

      Source is available — at least, for the earlier versions.

      How can yet another proprietary browser really compete against Chrome/Chromium or Firefox?

      One of the subdirectories inside the vivaldi-source_1.15.1147.tar.xz is vivaldi-source/chromium... It is also the only directory of any size. Maybe, version 2.0 — for which there is no source code (yet?) — is different, but the 1.x branch is Chromium. With some add-ons/extensions, of course.

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  20. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's literally a Chrome clone.

    It's literally chrome, from what I saw.

    Anyway, the issue is that there is no compelling reason to use it.

  21. Slashdot Browser when? by Merk42 · · Score: 1

    Every time there is a news article about Chrome. Firefox, etc, all the armchair developers come in to complain about how the browser does(n't) do X.
    Why, if they made a browser, it'd be the bestest thing and everyone would 100% love it.

    Yet, you all don't make one. I wonder why that is?

  22. Bookmarks have been obsolete since 1994 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This probably just means I'm old, but ...

    Seriously, I have a "home page" -- just a html file sitting in my home directory, and the home button loads it. That is my bookmarks collection. It's better organized than any browser's bookmarks that has ever been invented. The only real downside is that I have to manually maintain it.