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Satellite Company Partners With Jeff Bezos' AWS To Bring Internet To 'Whole Planet' (cnbc.com)
Iridium Communications is partnering with Amazon Web Services to develop a satellite-based network called CloudConnect for Internet of Things (IoT) applications. "We're really covering the whole planet [...] with terrestrial networks today it's still only 10 percent or 20 percent" of the Earth, Iridium CEO Matt Desch told CNBC. "Everybody today can connect pretty easily with very little effort. Now that Amazon has put our language into the cloud platform, they can extend their applications to the satellite realm." From the report: CloudConnect, which the company expects to launch in 2019, makes Iridium "the first, and only, satellite provider now connected to" Amazon Web Services, Desch said. The CloudConnect network will focus on "where cellular technologies aren't," Desch said, bringing the rest of the world within reach of AWS. The company is nearly finished putting its Iridium NEXT constellation of 75 satellites into orbit. SpaceX is launching the $3 billion satellite network for Iridium, with the eighth and final launch happening later this year.
Once online, Iridium NEXT will offer services such as higher broadband communications speeds and global airplane tracking. Iridium describes the IoT aspect of the network as a "catalyst for strong subscriber growth." Desch said the network hosts "about half a million" active devices, growing at a rate of about 20 percent per year for the last three years. With AWS onboard, Desch gave a very bullish estimates for his IoT services: "Easily this could expand to tens of millions of devices."
Once online, Iridium NEXT will offer services such as higher broadband communications speeds and global airplane tracking. Iridium describes the IoT aspect of the network as a "catalyst for strong subscriber growth." Desch said the network hosts "about half a million" active devices, growing at a rate of about 20 percent per year for the last three years. With AWS onboard, Desch gave a very bullish estimates for his IoT services: "Easily this could expand to tens of millions of devices."
Am I the only one who's thinking this is gonna end dystopic? With some kind of global ... what's the opposite of net neutrality? ... scheme?
I mean the purpose of this is not some grand altruistic act to improve the planet. Nobody would disagree there.
The one and only purpose of this is to exponentially raise profits for Bezos and this company. Because in the society they are from, anyone who doesn't act like that kind of psychopath, is either bankrupt or dead.
Nevermind that literally every healthy process in nature is a system of perfect cycles in a delicate but stable balance. (Aka "stagnation" (aka "depression") in business terms.) And anything that isn't, is either an explosion, or a deadly pathogen. (Their motto is "Why not *both*?" anyway.)
Growth, growth, growing growth, *growingly* growing growth, until the entire universe is filled with cancer and every single thing is a lifeless husk stuffed with pointless money.
You know what's to do. ... But good night anyway. --.--
To spend $5 to send 1KB from my IoT platform
Shouldn't that have been "bringing AWS within reach of the rest of the world"
instead of "bringing the rest of the world within reach of AWS"?
so as to not miss any of the same 5 stories 5X each day after day... on all the media mongrel outlets.. never a better time to to consider ourselves in relation to our contemporaries, our surroundings, & our beleaguered spirits.. cease fire stand down,, there are moms & babys in every town all the world around.. thanks again
"The nearest ice-cream shop is 3900 kilometers away in Ushuaia"
Yay!
Did you learn nothing from the NSA and CIA leaks? If you let an American company run your communications infrastructure, then both them and their government will be all up in your internets.
This also requires avoiding American communication equipment. You cannot afford the risk to take the deal offered by Juniper, Cisco, and other American vendors, so they can get inside your networks. A good choice would be Ericsson or Nokia telecom equipment, since they are both neutral and have no allegiance to any government or political entities, and (unlike American vendors) have never been discovered to backdoor their equipment.
Great, more bandwidth for my fridge. And once they run out of repositioning fuel there'll be 75 more pieces of space junk in orbit. I wonder how many 'dark satellites' there are in orbit that are technically functional yet have been abandoned because they're no longer able to maintain the desired orbit. I bet enthusiasts could do some interesting things if given access to those.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
I wonder how many 'dark satellites' there are in orbit that are technically functional yet have been abandoned because they're no longer able to maintain the desired orbit. I bet enthusiasts could do some interesting things if given access to those.
there are currently 1 980 active satellites in orbit. Whilst this is 13.92% increase over the number of active satellites last year, it still represents only 40% of the satellites orbiting the planet.
This means that there are 2 877 pieces of useless metal hurtling around the Earth at high speed!
Source
It's easy to find inactive satellite numbers. Active but not in use due to a specific cause would take serious research and then only supply a minimum.
Casual check for satellites in the wrong orbit but active: at least 24 satellites. [1] [2] [3] [4]
That cant even feed or water themselves?
They dont even have computers.
They can't eat or drink data.....
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he means his arsehole. This headline means Jeff just stuck a wifi router up his anus. Hope this clears things up.
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This will be immensely useful when our masters begin using their robot army to genocide the global working class.
and Amazon.
That's not how satellites work. Their fuel budget includes a burn for deorbit (LEO) or pushing out into a graveyard orbit (GEO).
What happened to similar Google plan?
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Great, more bandwidth for my fridge. And once they run out of repositioning fuel there'll be 75 more pieces of space junk in orbit.
Actually, Iridium's NEXT constellation is for a lot more than just IoT, they are for L-band (up to 1.5 Mbit/s) and K-band (up to 8 Mbit/s) communications. These are extremely desirable and will only go out of use if they enter an uncontrolled orbit. Each satellite has a deorbitting system. "From 2017, several first-generation Iridium satellites have been deliberately de-orbited after being replaced by operational Iridium NEXT satellites"
I wonder how many 'dark satellites' there are in orbit that are technically functional yet have been abandoned because they're no longer able to maintain the desired orbit. I bet enthusiasts could do some interesting things if given access to those.
Communication satellites like this? I can answer that: Zero.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
I've got a cabin way out in the boonies where I can't get strong internet. It sounds more realistic than the whole google balloons project.
Now, tell me when I can buy a $10 CloudConnect device from any of the usual chinese suppliers. That is when it will become an interesting technology. Just so long as the subscription fees are in the cent's per month category.
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This won't be used for consumer stuff, it's way too expensive and too bandwidth limited. They won't be able to deliver ads to your fridge over satellite. That will use your wifi.
This is for stuff like monitoring pipelines and remote parts of the environment. Drone ships at sea.
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When your product manager takes the word "Cloud" to literally...
This is for stuff like monitoring pipelines and remote parts of the environment. Drone ships at sea.
It's cheaper to just run a wire down the pipeline, and connect with a normal satellite installation. But drone ships at sea? Absolutely. Or just anyone who needs to be moving around. You have to re-aim satellite every time you move it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
We already have satellite internet service, this is just a power grab.
This Amazon collaboration with Iridium is going to be interesting to watch on the Net Neutrality front.
As long as Bezos operates an independent walled garden then he's in the clear to make up his own rules, but as soon as he turns CloudConnect into a global ISP (if that is what he is intending) then he'll come under Net Neutrality rules wherever they apply, and that means on most of the planet. The small minority of people who reject Net Neutrality in USA for party political reasons is entirely irrelevent in this global context.
Since Bezos does not currently provide first-hop connectivity and hence is not running an ISP, his Amazon walled garden does not come under scrutiny on net nor platform neutrality grounds, only on different grounds such as privacy. As a global ISP though, it seems likely that his previous freedom to do as he pleases (for example by benefitting only his Amazon merchants) is going to be curtailed in a manner which he will dislike greatly.
Facebook seems to be moving in the same direction, and undoubtedly there will be many others too. Net Neutrality of satellite ISPs seems certain to become a major issue.
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Great, more bandwidth for my fridge. And once they run out of repositioning fuel there'll be 75 more pieces of space junk in orbit.
People partially have already commented, just as anonymous so here is my summary:
1. Satellites: nowadays technology allows for LEO (low Earth orbit) deployment of clusters of communication satellites, where there is still some drag from air molecules, which results in orbit decay, e.g. ISS has to boost its orbit regularly (also such orbits allow for low latency communication), additionally nowadays satellites are required to have either deorbiting capability or moving to so called "graveyard" orbits, where, even when decommissioned do not pose thread to other space assets.
2. Internet for everybody: maybe you live in an urban area, so having high bandwidth internet is nothing special, but there are rural places or undeveloped countries, where building infrastructure for high bandwidth internet is too expensive and many people do not have it, so having a global internet access is not only good for people, who do not have it, but also for humanity as a whole in case of any disasters or for automatic science data collectors. An example: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - not only we would've known where, but maybe even people could've been saved. Another example (less drastic) is Event Horizon Telescope, people take airplanes to carry TBs of data on hard-drives - in this case a proper bandwidth would be required.
From 2017, several first-generation Iridium satellites have been deliberately de-orbited after being replaced by operational Iridium NEXT satellites
The first generation iridium satellites were put to serve satellite phones, at a huge expense. But Satellite phones quickly became obsolete when the cell phone market took off. Millions were spent on those first generation satellites with virtually no investment return.I myself watched my iridium stock follow the rabbit hole until it wasn't even worth the fees to sell it.
Now we have iridium 2.0 with more "cloud" and "IOT". I predict that by the time they 'develop' their new satellite system and spend millions launching to orbit their whole business model is going to collapse to the next wave of disruptive technology.
So people who need things like clean water or basic medical care can *finally* log in and see Kim Kardashian's new outfit made entirely of money?*
*actual article in the news today: http://www.tmz.com/2018/09/28/...
-Styopa
Re: You have to re-aim satellite every time you move it.
Wow, that is just stupid. You have no idea how Iridium works. Hint, it's not like that.
Wow, that is just stupid. You have no idea how Iridium works. Hint, it's not like that.
Wow, you are cowardly. I'm obviously talking about typical satellite internet systems and not Iridium there. Granted, I didn't make it clear, but it's equally clear that your parser is broken.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
When Iridium was launched in the 1990s, with backing from Bill Gates and others, it was a promising project: internet access almost anywhere on the planet.
However, they required big hand sets with big antennas. But then GSM phones became ubiquitous where humans are concentrated (cities, towns, suburbs, ...etc.) and there was not much of a need for Iridium, apart from those who live, or work, or travel to, remote areas. Not much of a market.
The company went bust, and this iteration is an attempt to revive it.
The requirement for custom handsets and/or modems is still there.
How much will these cost?
How much would a monthly data plan cost?
Are the speeds adequate for today's bloated web sites?
It may remain as a niche business, for business (not consumers), much like Thuraya.
We will see ...
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So what they're saying is that aside from physically hacking so-called 'IoT' devices to prevent them from connecting in this way, you'll have precisely zero positive ability to actually control the transceivers? Great. That means 'IoT' devices will be even less secure than ever before. Botnet owners will be thrilled.
So many sat connections coming to the planet.
I think that the net neutrality issue is about to go away.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I keep seeing new things that Amazon is getting involved in, and its getting ridiculous.
Whats next?
It is long past time to break up Amazon.
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
Wow, that is just stupid. You have no idea how Iridium works. Hint, it's not like that.
Wow, you are cowardly. I'm obviously talking about typical satellite internet systems and not Iridium there. Granted, I didn't make it clear, but it's equally clear that your parser is broken.
Psst... the article and thread is about Iridium. Why would you be talking about ...oh, yeah... of course... to derail real discussion.
Wait you guys, I thought Amazon has too much money!? Surely you won't support a project of theirs that they spent said money on... right?
Seriously... no SKYNET tag?!? You guys are slipping.
What about that one, you know the iridium satellite that got in a head-on with one of russias finest creating a huge cloud of debris in the worst satellite collision to date?
Please don’t forget that