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Delta's Fully Biometric Terminal Is the First In the US (engadget.com)

In what Delta is calling the first "biometric terminal" in the country, they will reportedly use facial recognition at check-in, security and boarding inside the international terminal at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson airport. Engadget reports: Passengers that want to use facial recognition can approach a kiosk in the lobby and click "Look," or approach a camera at the ticket counter, TSA checkpoint or when boarding. Once a green check mark flashes on the screen, they can proceed. Delta -- which plans to introduce fingerprint scanning to fold, too -- says passengers can use this system instead of the passports to get through these checkpoints, but you'll still need your passport for use in other non-biometric-equipped airports (although maybe one day we'll do away with passports altogether). Privacy advocates are concerned about the security risks present in facial scans, especially as it's an opt-out process. Others, however, say it makes air travel a more streamlined process.

53 comments

  1. Oooh! I just can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For proof the thing is easily circumvented because no human is present.

    Most catches aren't due to problems with the paperwork, but because humans are present who've learned to trust their gut feelings. Machines are gutless, so deserve to be circumvented.

    1. Re:Oooh! I just can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Others, however, say it makes air travel a more streamlined process.

      Trading away privacy due to laziness. It's the American way.

    2. Re:Oooh! I just can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjWq2Yrfz0I

    3. Re:Oooh! I just can't wait! by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, we traded our privacy for "Security" then traded "Security" for laziness.

      The key phrase in our national anthem "Land of the free and the home of the brave" For freedom we need to be brave. We are scared, we became less brave, so we gave up our freedom.

      Freedom isn't safe. People will die and be unjustly hurt in a free society. But if we value freedom we need to be brave enough to stand up and say. We know the risks, we choose to face them for our freedom.

      This isn't a problem with any one side of the political system, The Safety argument is used all too often.

       

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    4. Re:Oooh! I just can't wait! by Penis++Breath+(TM) · · Score: 1

      Given corporations' notorious attitude towards security as an afterthought, what happens when the inevitable intrusion occurs and a treasure trove of biometric data gets into the hands of some very bad actors. I think we are really in peak technology at this point and most new solutions aren't solving problems but are solutions looking for problems. I am going to stick to the old fashioned way of simply producing an ID and boarding pass. I can see the advantage of the mobile boarding pass and I do use that but we have recently hit the point where technology ceases to solve problems and may actually be creating more problems.

    5. Re:Oooh! I just can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's cause mobile boarding pass is just on different media than paper. It's still just a qcode that's scanned, so it's basicaly the same. Unless there's some app using some other communication method i don't know about.

    6. Re:Oooh! I just can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Land of the flea and home of the slave

    7. Re: Oooh! I just can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't wait to see this fail completely for every third person and give random people the wrong tickets like a lottery.

  2. What could possibly go wrong? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Knowing Delta's mastery of established technology lets me look forward into a bright future with them embracing the spearhead of bleeding edge technology.

    --signed, Oscar Muñoz, CEO United Airlines.

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  3. Re: j public to be issued wind/solar/water hegs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what the fuck are u talking about

  4. beware falling gargoyles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    & other wasterious excessivities,, cease fire stand down..

  5. Do gummy bears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fly for free?

  6. Biometrics are dumb by DalM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Biometrics are dumb for security. Ultimately, they are even worse than passwords. When someone steals a few million irises from their database, the company can't send out a bulk email telling everyone to change their eyes.

    1. Re:Biometrics are dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Biometrics are dumb for security. Ultimately, they are even worse than passwords. When someone steals a few million irises from their database, the company can't send out a bulk email telling everyone to change their eyes.

      Well.. they COULD, but it wouldn't be something that their customers can actually DO.. basically I agree with you...

    2. Re:Biometrics are dumb by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      When someone steals a few million irises from their database, the company can't send out a bulk email telling everyone to change their eyes.

      Good afternoon, Mr. Yakamoto. How did you like that three-pack of tank tops you bought last time you were in?

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    3. Re:Biometrics are dumb by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Biometrics are dumb for security.

      Not only that, but hasn't it been less than 12 hours since there was another story here about all the problems with facial recognition at the airport?

      https://yro.slashdot.org/story...

      It's really bothersome when you see a corporation or an entire industry rush headlong into some new technology even though they know it's rife with problems. It's like they can't stop themselves or something.

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    4. Re: Biometrics are dumb by DalM · · Score: 1

      More like, they are more interested in flashy headlines, impressing their board members, and andvertising opportunities than they are interested in actual security.

    5. Re:Biometrics are dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here to say exactly this. Also, Delta Airlines:

      DO NOT WANT.

  7. Caution by markdavis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    >"Delta -- which plans to introduce fingerprint scanning to fold, too"

    Not a fan of this at all, but would flatly refuse if the biometrics used tried to include fingerprints or DNA. Those are two HUGE no-no's- they are left all over the place and can be collected without your permission or knowledge. One is easy to fake and the other can reveal all kinds of information about you*. Iris is also not safe- it is observable from a distance and also fakeable.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    If you must choose a biometric, make it either retina scan or deep vein palm scan. And even then, should only be used when absolutely essential.

    1. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Biometrics are used all over the world for many years now...at every customs check, Visa application and most world travelers are ok with it. For their own security against terrorism, people are ok with it. It is necessary today, whether you like it or not. If u travel, then get used to it or take the bus or train.

    2. Re: Caution by DalM · · Score: 1

      Biometrics are used at customs, but not as a primary identification source. Your primary source of identification is still your passport.

    3. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Biometrics are used all over the world for many years now...at every customs check

      Nope. Been to the USA and the Netherlands recently as a Canadian citizen. Only requirement was to present my passport. The closest to biometrics it has is my picture. From what I can tell, this will be the case for 170 other countries as well.

      In fact, I use my license to visit the USA, though they require one that has the information printed on the license contained in an RFID chip. Nothing that a foil pouch doesn't solve. It even came with one.

    4. Re: Caution by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Biometrics are used at customs, but not as a primary identification source. Your primary source of identification is still your passport.

      There are two ways to do biometrics.

      1. Cheap and fast with high error rates.

      2. Accurate but slow and expensive.

      Most places go with option 1 so accept a high level of false positives. I've been going through the biometric terminals at Australian airports, A human doesn't even look at my passport any more when entering Oz. Given that I've never experienced any trouble going through I'm gathering that they accept a high degree of inaccuracy. When doing this, biometrics should never be used as a means of authentication, only a means of identification. In that regard, my passport is my password and I'm responsible for making sure no-one else has it (or if they do, changing it... which is a £300 pain in the arse when you live in the UK).

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    5. Re: Caution by fox171171 · · Score: 1

      Biometrics are used all over the world ... It is necessary today, whether you like it or not.

      Oxygen, water, food. Only things that are necessary. Well, maybe toilet paper.

      If u travel, then get used to it or take the bus or train.

      It will come there next.

    6. Re:Caution by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Lots of jobs make you get fingerprinted - I'm in healthcare. I said fuck it, if I'm already in the database, I might as well enjoy the benefits. Signed up for a concealed carry permit and Global Entry. I can take a gun just about anywhere I want to, and immigration takes about one minute.

    7. Re:Caution by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"I said fuck it, if I'm already in the database, I might as well"

      That is how privacy and freedom are lost. Many of us are NOT in "the database" and don't want to be. Do what you will, but please keep in mind that just because it becomes more "norm" doesn't mean it is the right thing to do or that people who resist are somehow backwards, paranoid, or have "something to hide".

      Oh, and many (if not most) CCP/CWP/CHPs don't require fingerprinting.

    8. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a pussy who needs a gun.

    9. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experiences with commercial fingerprint scanner, for some people they work perfectly, for others they fail randomly and require rescanning the finger to work again after an arbitrary period of time of less than one year, and for about 10% of people they work once and only once until you rescan, and force you to repeat on every use.

    10. Re:Caution by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Maybe your CCP didn’t. Mine did. It was one of the reasons I held out until I was in the database for other reasons. I didn’t like it, but it happened while I was in medical school, and so I could either drop out and try to find a job that coukd pay off a house-worth of loans without having “MD” after my name, or get printed.

      And once you’ve gotten printed, there is no point in not taking advantage of it. You do you.

  8. Wikipedia info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get the other comments that say biometrics are bad security (because they can't be changed when hacked).

    Wikipedia tells me "The currently standardized biometrics used for this type of identification system are facial recognition, fingerprint recognition, and iris recognition. ... Only the digital image (usually in JPEG or JPEG2000 format) of each biometric feature is actually stored in the chip." And since chip here refers to a contactless RFID chip, your JPEGs could potentially be lifted without you even knowing.

    The main reasoning is that it is expensive to fake a passport. But if these kiosks are not manned, what's to prevent a hacker to present any old device that mimics an RFID chip instead of the expected booklet with chip embedded?

    Captcha: elicits

  9. Sounds like another partial solution by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    If they're doing this to passengers, they should definitely do this for employees and TSA agents. And maybe that one douche bag that works at Starbucks.

  10. Now we know why Delta can't keep their systems up by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> herpta derp Biometrics Terminal

    "Who cares about planes taking off when you've got TOYS!" - Delta CEO

  11. Great by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given corporations' notorious attitude towards security as an afterthought, what happens when the inevitable intrusion occurs and a treasure trove of biometric data gets into the hands of some very bad actors. I think we are really in peak technology at this point and most new solutions aren't solving problems but are solutions looking for problems. I am going to stick to the old fashioned way of simply producing an ID and boarding pass. I can see the advantage of the mobile boarding pass and I do use that but we have recently hit the point where technology ceases to solve problems and may actually be creating more problems.

    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given corporations' notorious attitude towards security as an afterthought, what happens when the inevitable intrusion occurs

      Their terms and conditions will absolve them, and tough shit for the affected people.

      The same as happens everywhere else.

      You'll have also signed away your right to sue, be compensated, and your first-born child.

      I'm with you, if this is opt-out, I'll stick with old fashioned boarding passes and ID ... but you'd be kidding yourself if you didn't think that eventually they'll make it mandatory, and slap an extra fee onto your ticket so you're paying for the privilege of having them insecurely gather your biometrics.

      Then, of course, they'll eventually monetize all of that information in whatever way they can.

  12. Nice Touring Car by sycodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looking at a nice Touring car now. Flying is over rated especially shorter distances.

    You can drive from Austin to Dallas faster than you can fly when you time it from your front door to the hotel door.

    Hell...just the recommend two hour early arrival at the airport gets you half way and more to Dallas.

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    1. Re:Nice Touring Car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking at a nice Touring car now. Flying is over rated especially shorter distances.

      You can drive from Austin to Dallas faster than you can fly when you time it from your front door to the hotel door.

      Hell...just the recommend two hour early arrival at the airport gets you half way and more to Dallas.

      You are correct if and only if you ignore all other factors including car depreciation, gas, stress (while driving), and your own labor (driving). Not everyone likes to drive. Also, not everyone is a good driver.

    2. Re:Nice Touring Car by sycodon · · Score: 2

      Car's gonna depreciate no matter how much I drive it. I have a 2006 with ony 80k on it. It's worth the same as any other 2006 in god condition.

      Gas is a fraction of the ticket costs.

      I like driving, no stress. That has everything to do with you and not the traffic

      I'm a good driver.

      Gee...looks like you'll be paying three times as much and getting your face scanned while I'm sitting in the Hotel bar.

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  13. Accuracy? by tflf · · Score: 1

    I agree with the other posters regarding privacy concerns, the inability of major corporations to keep their software secure and up to date, and their inability to protect customer information. But, and correct me if I'm wrong, isn't there an error factor with most versions of facial recognition software? Other news sources claim as high up to a 40 percent error rate.

  14. I guess the hackers would know... by mdm-adph · · Score: 1

    ...what my face looks like? Isn't that already public and not private?

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    1. Re:I guess the hackers would know... by suman28 · · Score: 2

      After the Equifax attack, so is your SSN, DOB, height, weight and everything else about you. Does that mean, you will post all this information on your forehead and challenge people to hack?

  15. This is just fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If some company or government wants to protect something of *no value to me* (ex. the border, the plane, their income, access to their service) using my biometrics then the consequences of mistakes or fraud are on them.

    I mean, what if someone takes a trip pretending to be me? Worst case it's someone trying to frame me for something, but if I was specifically targeted for something then I'm screwed anyway. Once biometric fraud is commonplace I will be able to use that fact in my defense, and until then I'm unlikely to be the targeted person.

    Where I absolutely draw the line is trying to force me to use biometrics to protect something of *value to me* (my bank account, getting a loan/mortgage, etc.).

    Obviously there's a slippery slope from the former to the latter, but while we don't get a say in whether the former happens, we have a say in whether the latter happens and we should be vocal.

  16. fascinating where the priorities lay. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    customer: so i have to pay to check a bag?

    delta: yes, its just too expensive you know, fuel costs and all that.

    customer: and the fuel surcharge from 2006?

    delta: im afraid it has to stay, fuel might go up you know...

    customer: and what about this 9/11 processing fee?

    Delta, dragging an enormous kiosk: Freedom isnt free you know.

    customer: Does that thing ever make a mistake?

    Delta: Not as many as our customers.

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  17. What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MORE technology? Wasn't it just reported yesterday a computer glitch has shut down their flights for the 3rd time in as many years...? What could possibly go wrong adding in more technology to the mix?

  18. Doubles as a taser by HyperStasis · · Score: 1

    You can check in AND get tased and hauled off before having to walk all the way to the gate!

    1. Re:Doubles as a taser by torkus · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure I used one last week in atlanta. it's at the gate. you scan your boarding pass, walk through the little gate, next person goes. BFD. Why we have gate agents scanning barcodes is beyond me anyhow.

      i have NFI why they're calling this biometric. It's just scanning your barcode ... just like the gate agent does. Protip: unless you're flying international you don't show ID to board a plane.

      Now, you CAN use biometrics in the airport. Clearme (dot com) uses them at their kiosk which bypasses the security line. It's a gimmick using biometrics over ID but who cares? You literally go straight to the xray/rape-i-scan machine. Oh, and if you have precheck you can skip the rape part usually.

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  19. Streamlined Anal Penetration! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh so free. kekeke

    #OsamaWon
    #freedumbs
    #usamerikans

    1. Re: Streamlined Anal Penetration! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In your troll post lies a piece of truth.

      Which is that Osama won. This is exactly what he wanted. He's in heaven with his 72 virgins laughing at us all.

  20. Opt-out link by wgoodman · · Score: 1

    How does a person opt out? Does anyone have a link?