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Vigilante Engineer Stops Waymo From Patenting Key Lidar Technology (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: A lone engineer has succeeded in doing what Uber's top lawyers and expert witnesses could not -- overturning most of a foundational patent covering arch-rival Waymo's lidar laser ranging devices. Following a surprise left-field complaint by Eric Swildens, the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) has rejected all but three of 56 claims in Waymo's 936 patent, named for the last three digits of its serial number. The USPTO found that some claims replicated technology described in an earlier patent from lidar vendor Velodyne, while another claim was simply "impossible" and "magic." The 936 patent played a key role in last year's epic intellectual property lawsuit with Uber. In December 2016, a Waymo engineer was inadvertently copied on an email from one of its suppliers to Uber, showing a lidar circuit design that looked almost identical to one shown in the 936 patent.

The patent describes how a laser diode can be configured to emit pulses of laser light using a circuit that includes an inductor and a gallium nitride transistor. That chance discovery helped spark a lawsuit in which Waymo accused Uber of patent infringement and of using lidar secrets supposedly stolen by engineer Anthony Levandowski. In August 2017, Uber agreed to redesign its Fuji lidar not to infringe the 936 patent. Then, in February 2018, Waymo settled the remaining trade secret theft allegations in exchange for Uber equity worth around $245 million and a commitment from Uber not to copy its technology. "This includes an agreement to ensure that any Waymo confidential information is not being incorporated in Uber hardware and software," said a Waymo spokesperson at the time. That redesign now seems to have been unnecessary, says Swildens, the engineer who asked the USPTO to take a closer look at 936. "Waymo's claim that Uber infringed the 936 patent was spurious, as all the claims in the patent that existed at the time of the lawsuit have been found to be invalid," he said. Uber told Ars that despite the ruling, it would not be redesigning its lidars yet again.
Swildensj, an employee at a small cloud computing startup, reportedly "spent $6,000 of his own money to launch a formal challenge to 936," reports Ars. "In March, an examiner noted that a re-drawn diagram of Waymo's lidar firing circuit showed current passing along a wire between the circuit and the ground in two directions -- something generally deemed impossible. 'Patent owner's expert testimony is not convincing to show that the path even goes to ground in view of the magic ground wire, which shows current moving in two directions along a single wire,' noted the examiners dryly."

"As I investigated the 936 patent, it became clear it was invalid due to prior art for multiple reasons," Swildens told Ars. "I only filed the reexamination because I was absolutely sure the patent was invalid."

65 comments

  1. Vigilante? by siriuskase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this the correct word for this?

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    1. Re:Vigilante? by siriuskase · · Score: 1, Insightful

      sheesh, i remember when first post was something you had to strive for. Now, it just kinda happens. Maybe I just read the article faster than the next guy.

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    2. Re:Vigilante? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because he took the law into his own hands and...filed the necessary legal paperwork to get a review.
      Desperado...

    3. Re:Vigilante? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the overdramatic style of how people write these days. "Literally" no longer means literally, and making a critical comment about someone is "absolutely destroying" them now.

    4. Re:Vigilante? by Sique · · Score: 1

      If the subject was about a "vigilant engineer", then it would have been correct, as "vigilant" means "awake, watchful, alert, wary".

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    5. Re:Vigilante? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they meant to say, "Vigilante Engyneour Stoppeth Wayemo fram Patentynge Foul Sortilege Engine"?

    6. Re: Vigilante? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Sounds like something from CantUbery Tales.

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  2. Good. Fuckem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put Waymo board in front of a high powered laser and watch them slowly burn to death.

  3. This is the real innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    > current passing along a wire between the circuit and the ground in two directions
    Now we can finally get rid of all those nasty high voltage wires and use only ground to transmit power everywhere.

  4. How many years will patents delay self-driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How many years will patents delay self-driving cars? 5? 10? 30? How many preventable road deaths will happen in the intervening period?

    I am not a health and safety fanatic, but there comes a time when you have to question whether the USPTO should wield as much power as it evidently does.

    And yes, I am aware that the USPTO, on this one occasion, did reject a large number of spurious patents.

    1. Re:How many years will patents delay self-driving by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      Or is it a question that without patents at all would companies have invested so heavily in new technology to the extent that we can even imagine self driving vehicles today.

    2. Re:How many years will patents delay self-driving by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1, Redundant

      One could ask how many years will corporate trade secrets and obfuscation delay pie-in-the-sky-hypetech?

      Or something of that nature. Patents only last for a limited time, and then become a gift to humanity.

      I know it isn't popular to acknowledge that here, and my exposition of this reality will be hammered to pieces by the 'wits' who hang out in these discussions....

    3. Re: How many years will patents delay self-driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a break. How dramatic can we get about a small patent issue that Waymo will get over with using their vast sums of money.

    4. Re: How many years will patents delay self-driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think anyone is worried that Waymo (Google) will suffer over this. Perhaps you think it's OK that "Waymo" (Google) can file shit patents that stifle innovation at every other company without any penalty to themselves.

    5. Re:How many years will patents delay self-driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we can only speculate.

      My guess is that Google would still have gone with their self-driving attempts.
      I think part of the reason all car companies are getting some sort of self driving tech now is to not be without any patents when the technology is mature enough.
      It isn't so much about reading others patents to share knowledge but rather to build up a war chest so that others want to make licensing deals instead of going to court.
      Anyone late to the party will be locked out.

  5. I can hear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whining and screaming for miles around

  6. Sometimes current flows both ways by Lije+Baley · · Score: 2

    Like if the circuit oscillates. I didn't see it but they did mention an inductor and "pulses"...

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    1. Re: Sometimes current flows both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You missed the diode

    2. Re: Sometimes current flows both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      real diodes have a delayed reaction to reverse current. enough can leak to pulse an LED that has been biased.

    3. Re: Sometimes current flows both ways by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Diodes are also always capacitors.

    4. Re: Sometimes current flows both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you read the patent?

    5. Re: Sometimes current flows both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All components are always all passives. In most applications the effect is insignificant and can be ignored.
      Sometimes you have to take into consideration that resistors are inductors and capacitors, most times you don't.
      Sometimes it really matters that PCB-traces are all three.

    6. Re:Sometimes current flows both ways by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      Yeah but it still happens in only one direction at a time.

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    7. Re:Sometimes current flows both ways by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Page 15 of this document: https://www.documentcloud.org/...

      The examiner is right, it's nonsense. They are trying to build some kind of charge pump buy turning a FET on and off, but their "replenishment current" is coming from ground. Ground is shown both sinking and sourcing current.

      Maybe they build some clever supply system that they are referring to as ground here, but in that case it's rather odd that they used the standard symbol for ground and not something else. In either case it's a glaring mistake.

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    8. Re: Sometimes current flows both ways by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Diodes are always capacitors in a significant way. It isn't a little parasitic amount.

  7. What?! You can't patent magic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We wouldn't have all this trouble with Iran and N.Korea if the U.S.A. had just patented atomic weapons.

  8. Re:JEWgle being JEWS is why (thieves) by murdocj · · Score: 1

    Adolph, is that you?

  9. This is fixable by Krishnoid · · Score: 2

    Patent owner's expert testimony is not convincing to show that the path even goes to ground in view of the magic ground wire, which shows current moving in two directions along a single wire,' noted the examiners dryly.

    "We'd like to submit an amendment: ... moving in two directions along a single wire over the Internet."
    "Oh, that makes much more sense now. Patent upheld. Sorry if we sounded dry about it earlier."

  10. Hero! by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    Maybe the other self driving car companies should write him a cheque - he saved them millions.

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    1. Re:Hero! by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2

      In an ideal world ... maybe. In our world: "what would the shareholders think of us paying someone who did us some good for free ?"

  11. Re:JEWgle being JEWS is why (thieves) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chaimie Judenbergstein: That's all you have against your own sliminess from your own talmud about you? Yes.

  12. Look up "hyperbole". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a way to highlight something by exaggerating it.

    It's not the speaker's fault if you never go outside or interact with real humans, and do not understand anything but the most literal layer of what people say.

    1. Re:Look up "hyperbole". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      deliberate, orchestrated exaggeration
      Ha. Right.

      It's not our fault you're oblivious to the speaker's ignorance.

  13. Patent bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Build a working prototype or GTFO.

    Congress: Make it so.

    1. Re:Patent bullshit by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      A working prototype should be essential to get a patent. Allowing people to get a patent on "Ideas" stifles progress. And the patent application should require sufficient information to allow you to build it or no patent. The entire point of patents is to spread knowledge of new technology. For software that should include source code. And software should only be covered by patent, not copyright. If Microsoft wants legal protection they should have to file the source code for Windows and Office.

  14. Kind of makes you wonder by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

    How many patents are out there that are also bullshit magic that didn't get noticed ?

    1. Re:Kind of makes you wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are numerous. Most are just ignored and the patent holders don't bother going after anyone as they don't all retain a team of bored lawyers. IMO, there are more 'invalid' patents out there than valid ones. It's that bad.

      Every now and then someone comes along with an attack dog and goes after an unsuspecting company. But, I'd guess most are settled out of court either out of fear of litigation or because someone produces a bunch of prior art that put the patent at risk. Once a case gets high enough profile, people come out of the woodwork to help out if their industry is on the line.

    2. Re:Kind of makes you wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many patents are out there that are also bullshit magic that didn't get noticed ?

      Probably a lot of them.

      The Patent Office mostly just rubber stamps once the check clears, and have no interest whatsoever in actually evaluating the claims.

      They are literally taking the approach of "fuck it, the check cleared the bank, approve it and let the courts figure it out".

      Which is why so many patents are a joke, boiling down to "a system and methodology for doing something commonly done and well understood, but with a computer and the interwebs".

      This sounds like someone got in there and pointed out that many of these things already existed, and some of them were complete fabrications.

      But I'm also betting they've allowed a large amount of patents which by any standards should never have been granted.

  15. USPTO asleep on the job by lordlod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not news I know, but there was someone who's job it was to investigate these patents, to understand them and look for prior art.

    The fact that a third party had to commit $6000 and a huge amount of personal time comes down to the fact that the patent examiner clearly didn't do their job.

    While the work of Swildens should be celebrated, we shouldn't lose sight of the failings of the USPTO which required it.

    1. Re: USPTO asleep on the job by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      No one wants to give the patent office enough money to do the job well.

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    2. Re:USPTO asleep on the job by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      The job of the USPTO is to make money on patent applications, and to enrich American companies by giving them something worth money. Actually examining patent applications for meeting patent law or not having prior art doesn't appear to be in their job description.

    3. Re: USPTO asleep on the job by orangepeel · · Score: 2

      Are you trying to make a sick joke?

      Thousands of employees who review patents for the federal government cheated taxpayers out of at least $18.3 million as they billed the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for almost 300,000 hours they never worked, according to a new investigation by the agency’s watchdog.

      The report released Wednesday determined that the full scale of fraud is probably double those numbers. Investigators said they interpreted the data they gathered conservatively, often giving employees the benefit of the doubt for the time they reportedly worked.


      ...

      Patent office workers bilked the government of millions by playing hooky, watchdog finds

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    4. Re: USPTO asleep on the job by houghi · · Score: 1

      The USPTO got the money for the patents, so it worked as designed.what should happen if prior art is detectedd, bothe the company and the patent office need to pay a fine.

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    5. Re: USPTO asleep on the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one wants to give the patent office enough money to do the job well.

      So? The solution isn't to just stamp everything through.
      If applications starts to stockpile or if they start to deny instead of approve when they are too busy then they will get more money than they know what to do with.
      Heck, they could just add a "frequent applier" fee to companies that applies for a lot of patents and no-one would bat an eye.

    6. Re: USPTO asleep on the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the guy who queried it should get the fee back plus 100% as a consultancy fee for doing their job for them.

    7. Re: USPTO asleep on the job by drew_kime · · Score: 1

      Thousands of employees who review patents for the federal government cheated taxpayers out of at least $18.3 million as they billed the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for almost 300,000 hours they never worked, according to a new investigation by the agency's watchdog.

      Out of an annual budget of ~$3.6 billion, that means about 0.05% if I counted decimal places correctly. I dare you to name an industry where you think there's less than a tenth of a percent of overbilling of work hours.

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  16. Sounds like a relaxation oscillator by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    "The patent describes how a laser diode can be configured to emit pulses of laser light using a circuit that includes an inductor and a gallium nitride transistor."

    Every time I read stuff like this, I can only think I spent my life doing it wrong. I should of been figuring out how to get patents on stuff everybody knew about and was using anyway. Wow when a laser diode goes forward biased it will drain the stored energy from an inductor SMH.

    1. Re: Sounds like a relaxation oscillator by houghi · · Score: 1

      Not to late to change carree. Just replace "on the internet" with "on a self driving car" on the last patent-trolling-wave we had. Boom, money.

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    2. Re:Sounds like a relaxation oscillator by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      You actually should have been learning the difference between "have" and "of".

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    3. Re:Sounds like a relaxation oscillator by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      You actually should have been learning the difference between "have" and "of".

      Shame you are almost correct, a little more thought an you wouldn't be wrong. That would be should've vs should have.

    4. Re:Sounds like a relaxation oscillator by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      There is no meaningful difference between these. The one is just a contraction of the other.

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    5. Re:Sounds like a relaxation oscillator by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      There is no meaningful difference between these. The one is just a contraction of the other.

      Once again almost correct but that is still wrong. Tell me did you have rough potty training ? You seem rather anal.

  17. Really - soem sort of reverse recovery circuit? by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

    It looks like they are using the reverse recover charge in the diode. as an undergrad I though I discovered the effect in 1983, but soon learned that it was well known. (used it to trigger a krytron for a pockels cell driver). (one small diode and inductor to make a KV pulse).

    People who do pulse power systems know about a wide variety of tricks.

    If they are looking for a fast (ns), high current (~100A, 100V), switches, there are much better tricks these days. We just dusted off an old 1KV, 20A, 100ps rise / fall, 2ns wide pulser we built about 10 years ago (tiny circuit) along with it big brother - 6KV, 120A, 200ps pulser.

  18. New review system by aberglas · · Score: 1

    I think that the ability to file a request to have a patent reviewed is very new. And good. There are still restrictions, I think there is a short time limit for such reviews.

    Previously, I think the only way to have a patent reviewed was to have the owner sue you, and you lose everything if the jury in E. Texas rules against you.

  19. checking when challenged not when applied? by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

    From the article:

    Swildensj, an employee at a small cloud computing startup, reportedly "spent $6,000 of his own money to launch a formal challenge to 936,"

    The USPTO found that some claims replicated technology described in an earlier patent from lidar vendor Velodyne, ...

    Shouldn't it be the job of the patent office to check new patent applications against existing patents or publications, like ... when applied and not when challenged?

  20. Ask Patents (JoelOnSoftware) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Joel Spolsky wrote about his vigilante experience smashing a patent filing back in 2013: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2013/07/

  21. JEWgle must be excised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.

    Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.

    This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

    Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):

    1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

    2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

    3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen H