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California Governor Jerry Brown Signs a Bill That Bans Bots From Pretending To be Real People (nbcnews.com)

California governor Jerry Brown signed a bill last week that bans automated accounts, more commonly known as bots, from pretending to be real people in pursuit of selling products or influencing elections. From a report: Automated accounts can still interact with Californians, according to the law, but they will need to disclose that they are bots. The law comes as concerns about social media manipulation remain elevated. With just more than a month to go before the 2018 U.S. midterm elections, social media companies have pledged to crack down on foreign interference.

A big part of that effort has been targeting bots that spread misinformation and divisive political rhetoric. Twitter said it took down 9.9 million "potentially spammy or automated accounts per week" in May and has placed warnings on suspicious accounts. Dorsey has even publicly floated the idea that Twitter may try to identify bots and label them as such. Bots are also not limited to social media. Google caught the attention of the tech industry in May when it rolled out Google Duplex, a new voice assistant that could talk over the phone with humans to schedule appointments or make restaurant reservations -- complete with "ums," "ahs" and pauses just like a human.

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  1. Just you wait by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is going to hurt the Anonymous Coward industry. There are always economic consequences for these kind of liberal laws.

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    1. Re:Just you wait by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Next will be a Bill banning people from being mean on line.

      I expect it will be just as easily enforced as this Bill.

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    2. Re:Just you wait by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unlike the story yesterday about California requiring women to be on a board of directors, I think this law may actually be helpful. The point isn't to enforce it and then create some world where no bots are trying to deceive people. The point is to allow for legal penalties when someone is caught doing it, and it may have the side effect of additional truth in advertising.

      I haven't read the text, but there might be some unintended gray areas with regard to various programs that do things like scrape web content. Is a web scraper trying to impersonate a person using a browser, or not?

      Either way, if this had the effect of legit bots telling people they are bots when interacting with them, and providing legal penalties if they don't, it's not really a bad thing.

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    3. Re:Just you wait by sycodon · · Score: 2

      Ya...that's what I call Obsessive/Compulsive behavior.

      Ohh...I capitalized those words. Now you'll be out the rest of the afternoon trying to replicate it.

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  2. I'm a fan, but... by DalM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's completely unenforceable. Even if the State could locate and identify the boots, they can't do anything about it if they aren't in California.

    Unless this law allowed them to target the service provider that hosts the bots, like Twitter, nothing will improve.

    1. Re:I'm a fan, but... by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not going to be able to do anything about a Russian bot trying to make you mad about The Last Jedi.

      It is, however, likely to be enforceable if a Burger King bot farm is trying to convince people, including at least one Californian, that the new BK Whopper Deluxe With Bacon Plus is the best burger ever made. Even if the bot is operating outside of CA, the fact it interacted with a Californian brings it within the jurisdiction of the Californian courts, and the fact Burger King wants to do business in California means the Californian courts have enforcement powers.

      I guess the question is how much of the latter is going on and is a problem.

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    2. Re:I'm a fan, but... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Like many laws, they become an extra charge that can be placed on the person who does get caught.
      Why do you see people get put in jail while shown innocent for the crime they are arrested for, but on a numerous of other laws that they got charged against after the fact.

      Also many of these tech companies are California based, So if these companies just let the bots happen, then they will be targets too.

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  3. How is this going to work? by crgrace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they can stop spam robocalls, how the hell are they going to stop bots?

  4. California news is the only good USA news by Jzanu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can not be the only one seeing that California is the leading part of the USA now, that the only goods USA news is all about California. This matches the reality of technological development, economic development, and actual industrial development. California has the best shipping ports for heavy cargo, and its companies are quickly becoming the only reliable remote sensing information provider. Hopefully the next element will be to label "Made in California" for the export market, so that it isn't dinged when the world embargoes general US products.

    1. Re:California news is the only good USA news by DalM · · Score: 2
    2. Re:California news is the only good USA news by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why?
      From Wikipedia
      "The economy of California is the largest in the United States, boasting a $2.746 trillion gross state product as of 2017.[8] As a sovereign nation (2017), California would rank as the world's fifth largest economy, ahead of the United Kingdom but behind Germany.[9] California is also home to some of the most valuable companies in the world, including Apple, Alphabet Inc., and Facebook"

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    3. Re:California news is the only good USA news by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm sure in this modern world you'll have no need of a defense budget, so you'll have a huge economic advantage.

      I'm pretty sure a GDP larger than the UK would allow for some sort of defense budget. Naturally, the US would also assist with defense because it wouldn't want China to take control of California, would it? So, a defense treaty makes sense until California at least finishes their Navy and Air Force. Good thing a lot of the defense contractors and military testing and launch facilities are already there.

      Anyway, back to your dumb snark.

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  5. but.. by swan5566 · · Score: 2

    What about bots that make bots that pretend to be people?

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    1. Re: but.. by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      As long as the bot making bots don't pretend to be people...

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  6. I agree with this in principle, however: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ..however: it's not enforceable, assuming the 'bot in question is realistic enough to pass muster with the average person, and the 'bot owner doesn't give a damn about the law (which a foreign operative working within the U.S. most certainly woudn't) or if it's owned by someone outside the borders of the U.S. The real solution to this problem is people need to stop believing shit they read online that's coming from 'people' they don't personally know, or at the very least they need to learn to apply some critical thinking and some basic research to verify something is factual or not. Sites like Snopes and Politifact are probably good places to start. So then the problem becomes: How do we educate the masses so they do this automatically?

    1. Re:I agree with this in principle, however: by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How do we educate the masses so they do this automatically?

      I'm not sure if it's possible. The human mind is full of little cognitive pitfalls and there's often very little real consequence for most people for getting tripped up in one of them. If someone believes some bogus news article that already reinforces their existing (yet wholly incorrect) beliefs, what are the odds that those beliefs actually cause that person harm in a way that they can directly attribute to their mistaken beliefs? There's no good feedback that motivates better behavior. Worse is that it's comforting to people to have their beliefs reinforced, which makes it even more difficult to expend the additional effort needed to do research.

      Even if you can get a person to go that far, there may be little reward outside of the act itself. No one is motivated to learn and share the truth if it just means that every other idiot around them who's more comfortable believing the lie will immediately dog pile the person who has done the research and found a better answer. And that's not just over trivial matters either. This has been true of science as well, where everyone expects the people to be better than the masses. Humans are tribal and we enjoy being part of the pack and even if we're neutral about something, might just join in with the crowd instead of trying to learn the truth. It costs less and increases social cohesion for the individuals to behave that way.

      I think that the only realistic chance is for us to genetically modify ourselves and remove those traits. It's a dangerous bit of fire to play with for sure, but I'm not sure there's another way around it. Everyone says that they want people to be good critical thinkers, right up until those critical thinkers question whatever sacred cow the others might have. Then suddenly there isn't so much of a push for it. No person or group of people is likely to have the correct beliefs about everything, so there's always something that they'll try to suppress.

    2. Re:I agree with this in principle, however: by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      Most businesses aren't brain-dead. "Welcome to our automated service system. For the bot disclaimer, press 1. For Sales, press 2....."

      I can't imagine it taking more than 2-3 seconds to be compliant.

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  7. Next Up: Gov Brown Signs Articles of Secession by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 2

    Make it so!

  8. Humans by Zorro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Humans ARE robots. They are just made of meat and not metal.

  9. Nothing but bigotry by sinij · · Score: 4, Funny

    As a bot identifying as a person, I find this anti-bot discrimination and bigotry to be unacceptable.

  10. Re:Like Westword says, by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It really does.
    People are social animals, out point of views are influenced on what people think (And now I will get a bunch of posts saying how they are not a sheep, and have their own view unrelated to others viewpoints). Bots give the allusion of a popular idea, without it actually being a popular one.
    Thus influencing people opinion to the majority without the normal process of initial debate.

    If I had a point I wanted to make and get a good following behind it, I could write a bot, to spread it. Chances are enough people would be fooled by it, thinking that my stupid idea had enough merit to get such a following, then agree to it.

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  11. Bots are the tip of the iceberg. by bill.pev · · Score: 2

    I think a ban could extend to a lot of people, pretending to be real people.
    Oh, the humanity.

  12. Actually California has leverage by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's completely unenforceable. Even if the State could locate and identify the boots, they can't do anything about it if they aren't in California.

    No but a certain prominent company headquartered in California just demonstrated such technoloy and they certainly could be held accountable. Frankly just about any company that matters has a presence in Silicon Valley and that gives the State of California leverage. It's similar to how the State of New York has outsized leverage in financial regulation because of the fact that NYC also happens to be a major financial center where all the major players do business.