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Former South Korean President Sentenced To 15 Years In Prison For Accepting $5.4 Million In Bribes From Samsung (npr.org)
South Korea's former president, Lee Myung-bak, was sentenced Friday to 15 years in prison for bribery and embezzlement. He will also have to pay $11.5 million in fines. NPR reports: Lee is the second South Korean leader convicted this year of charges of corruption and the fourth former president to be arrested for corruption since the 1990s. Prior to entering politics, Lee had been an executive at Hyundai and campaigned on a promise to help South Korea's economy grow. Lee served as president of South Korea from 2008 until 2013. A court ruled Friday that before and during his presidency Lee accepted $5.4 million in bribes from Samsung, South Korea's largest conglomerate.
In exchange, Lee had granted a presidential pardon to Lee Kun-hee, Samsung's chairman, who had been convicted of embezzlement and tax evasion. The conviction had forced Lee Kun-hee to resign from Samsung in 2008; he returned to work at the company shortly after receiving the presidential pardon. The court also found that former president Lee disguised his ownership of a lucrative auto-parts maker under the names of his relatives and embezzled 24 billion Korean won from the company, according to The New York Times. Samsung later offered to pay legal fees for a court case involving the auto-parts company. Lee, who did not appear in court on Friday, denied the charges. "During the hearings, he shifted the blame to his aides, accusing them of committing the crimes for their own profit and conspiring against him," Judge Chung Kae-seon said on Friday, according to The Times.
In exchange, Lee had granted a presidential pardon to Lee Kun-hee, Samsung's chairman, who had been convicted of embezzlement and tax evasion. The conviction had forced Lee Kun-hee to resign from Samsung in 2008; he returned to work at the company shortly after receiving the presidential pardon. The court also found that former president Lee disguised his ownership of a lucrative auto-parts maker under the names of his relatives and embezzled 24 billion Korean won from the company, according to The New York Times. Samsung later offered to pay legal fees for a court case involving the auto-parts company. Lee, who did not appear in court on Friday, denied the charges. "During the hearings, he shifted the blame to his aides, accusing them of committing the crimes for their own profit and conspiring against him," Judge Chung Kae-seon said on Friday, according to The Times.
This guy was clearly an amateur. He should have looked to western politicians if he wants to see how to legally receive large bribes from corporations. All he need do is call them campaign donations and everything becomes perfectly acceptable and aboveboard.
It is good to see corruption in politics being punished for once. In the US you can hold a Senate hearing for Facebook where 46 of the 55 committee members have been paid off by Facebook in advance and nobody even bats an eyelid.
I can certainly understand that our political leaders shouldn't take bribes. Obviously that's bad.
But even more obviously, I can understand a human being having a great deal of trouble turning down millions of bribery dollars for favours that don't kill anybody.
You'll never get, even honest people to stop taking casual bribes. it's millions of dollars vs a rubber stamp. Everyone has their price.
I'm happy with a small jail term (I think 15 years is 14 years too many) and forfeiting the money with interest.
But what of Samsung? Shouldn't we be making it detrimental to offer bribes in the first place? I'd be happy with samsung being straight-up denied for any government application/request of any kind for one year per million dollars of bribery, plus a payment of double the bribe amount to local taxes.
In this case, with 5 million dollars in bribery, that would mean taxing samsung 10 million dollars and denying every government request (building application, tax exemption, valuation assessment) for the next 5 years.
I call it my sit-down-and-shut-up-for-a-while punishment.
None of which is proven. Stop being a mindless NPC.
Claims are not evidence.
We are all innocent until proven guilty.
These are fundamental values of western culture.
>ThIs AlOnE Is EnOuGh To PuT HiM AwaY!
Said the nervous man for the hundredth time since the election.
Face it, you've got nothing.
Look at all these crazy claims I'm going to make without any sort of proof or evidence! He's obviously GUILTY!
TDS strikes again
Hello NPC.
Linking to a wikipedia article on the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors is not proof, evidence or an argument.
Please report back to your controller for reprogramming.
From my understanding, every S. Korean leader has either been exiled, killed or placed in prison for corruption since 1950. Either their democracy is working really well, where the courts actually act on corruption, or there's a clear legitimacy problem where despite elections corrupt leaders are almost always elected.
Tax fraud is a felony, as is money laundering. And it seems you aren't clear on the what high crimes and misdemeanors means, with respect to the office of the presidency. Let me help you: it is whatever Congress says it is.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Trump next. What goes around, comes around.
You are going to feel very foolish ... well, you'll probably edit this out of your memory after some number of years ...
Yeah, edit this out of your memory, good luck.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
it has to be the _right_ 60%.... A Montanan voter has 46 times more political power than a California one, even though they get a big chunk of change from the taxes paid by that CA voter...
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Good point. Now Trump put an unrepentant rapist on the supreme court. I'm sure that's going to help with 60% of red state women who believe the victim. And surely you know that not everyone in a red state is beer swilling trailer trash.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
That's funny, because the last NPR poll was holding at +7. And nate silver's aggregate is holding around 80% that the republicans will hold the house and senate with 55% gaining more seats. That was before the liars that couldn't figure out where they were raped. And the other liar who said there were rapes, and went back 10 other times...apparently knowingly that it was happening. Oh, and she was a collage jr., at the time.
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So your theory is, Trump reports his Russian mobster income on his income tax, whereas he never even reported his estate tax? Gotcha.
And the Times did you publish Trump's taxes for the last 50 years, you pulled that out of your infected ass.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Reasonable people hold reasonable doubts, in turn expect evidence. That means they expect proof, and those "red state women" aren't showing up in droves for the democrats, in fact it's actually backfired. The whole "believe women" sham makes them look at their own husbands and sons and go...what the fuck are the democrats doing?! That could be MY husband or son.
Democrats overplayed their hand, so much so that they're already panicking and telling pundits to not harp on this "believe women" stuff. Seems like their internal polling showed that it turned voters against them, their ideas, and galvanized support for Kavenaugh.
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So what penalties are Samsung facing?
There is no doubt in my mind that Trump's rapist judge is an angry drunk.
Yeah well that happens when you think that hearsay is proof. Want to "listen and believe" by all means, to anyone who believes in the rule of law, standards of evidence, and so on? You just look unhinged and reminds everyone the dangers of the witch hunts of yore.
That simply makes you far more dangerous, because you don't care about evidence. Only what someone dangles in front of you for proof. Bet you would have loved the witch trials too, if she floats she's a witch. If she sinks, god's with her and will forgive us. Maybe next, you'll engage in the recitation of orthodoxy to prove that they're a pure soul.
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Yeah, Manafort is sitting in prison...for things he committed while working for the democrats, the podesta brothers, and acting as a foreign agent on their behalf.
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So you entire opinion is based on things that nobody can prove. Can provide no evidence for, can show no dates of, not a single police report of. A fine upstanding example of a person who's part of a mob and let's their emotions rule instead of their intelligence and reason.
And I suspect that you are an incel. You are certainly an apologist for an angry drunk who lacks the temperament to sit on the bench, supreme court of any other.
And there's the progressive/democrat garbage right on queueueueuueeue. When losing, engage in personal attacks, attacks against reputation, slander and with a hope and prayer it will stick. Hate to tell you this, but this stuff is burned out. I sure hope you enjoy the future you're now creating though.
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By the way, did you notice how Kavanaugh's face is crooked? I mean, it actually is. Look at a photo directly from the front, his eyes and the whole top of his head are five degrees rotated to his left. Just creepy.
I mean, if he wasn't an angry abusive wildly partisan drunk with a closet full of skeletons I would just overlook that. But he is all of that, so now that I shared this, you won't be able to unsee it. Check it out, it's true.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
So you entire opinion is based on things that nobody can prove.
You're full of crap. Major parts of it are a matter of public record. The rest requires connecting some big fat dots. I suppose you think that the investigation of Kavanaugh will just stop now that Trump's whitewash is done. News for you.
Now you need your daily boof. Just go ahead, I won't think badly of you. Oh sorry, that time I lied.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
You talking out your ass does not change the fact that Manafort is Mueller's bitch now. Cohen too, and Allen Weisselberg too.
Trump is the walking dead, you know it.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
You're full of crap. Major parts of it are a matter of public record. The rest requires connecting some big fat dots
Funny how those "major parts of it are public record" don't show any sign of actual wrong doing isn't it.
Now you need your daily boof. Just go ahead, I won't think badly of you. Oh sorry, that time I lied.
Proving again that the left can't meme. Christ, why is all the crap you try so pathetic.
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Hey did you notice how his accusers looked like they'd spent years hanging out in the sun? Know what that's from? Decades of substance abuse, pill popping tied with drinking alcohol.
I mean that just looks great. It also just looks great, with all those paid protesters accosting politicians in elevators, and then people finding out that they're all paid by the same organization. The left has no shortage of useful idiots.
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If it's so easy to find evidence why don't you list some?
If it's so easy to find evidence why don't you list some?
It's a witch hunters wet dream. Lots of "they're a witch, can we burn her?" "What for?" "they turned me into a newt." "A newt?" "I got better..." line of reasoning.
They have no evidence, not even circumstantial evidence of guilt. They have hearsay, uncorroborated statements, witnesses who have a history of actions that devalue any statements they make. There's not even basic general knowledge statements that they can give which can be corroborated by people. Nothing has been to court, nothing has been tried on fact or law. There's been no verdicts rendered. The fact that there are so many jackasses out there who are "listening and believing" is downright bad.
When Trump said a few days ago that "This is a terrible time for young men" he was right, the mentality of that other poster proves that. They don't need proof to go after you, just the accusation that you're not following orthodoxy, saying the wrong thing, holding the wrong opinions. Add in the smears of "they're a misogynist, sexist, rapist, incel" or whatever else? They're in full-on mob mode, and the only way it's going to stop is by either having enough people to say "e-fucking-nough" or continuing the path that has gone on for the last decade until someone snaps so hard that people start dying from it.
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Samsung always take care of their customers. They will contraband a Samsung Galaxy Note behind bars. By igniting it, he will be able to break the prison wall and escape to freedom.
Tell it to your rapist friends.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Yeah, those "blemishes" are from this thing called puberty. But you're calling someone a "deeply evil man" for facial features...yep, you really are engaging in a witch hunt.
How pitifully disgusting you are. Your entire basis of belief is based on superficial things, and not the content of character. Which shouldn't be a surprise considering how hard progressives love identity politics. Those pro-segregation stances you're holding are sure good too.
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those "blemishes" are from this thing called puberty.
It looks worse than that, like a disease. And you see how twisted his face is, right? Like a car ran over it or something. Mouth twisted one way, eyes twisted the other.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Kavanaugh blubbering on TV about his high school calendar for crying out loud, with his daddy sitting right behind him. These images etched into the internet forever. You guys bought this snowflake, now you own him.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Best case Trump impeached and then promtly pardoned by Mike Pence.
There are way better best cases. For example, Trump and Pence tossed out in 2020, Trump promptly indicted for tax fraud, conspiracy, you name it. Ends up with $3 billion bill for back taxes plus penalties, and a federal hotel.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
I wish they would hold the same candle to TRUMP. He has accept many billion of dollars direct from KGB (Kremlin and Putin's secret organization) - we MUST investigate TRUMP and find these fatal flaws to impeach. Who. Is. With. Me.
60% of the USA is with you. But indicting Trump will be more practical than impeaching, given the unlikely possibility of 60% ethical/moral senators before 2020. On the other hand, indicting Trump would only require indicting Kavanaugh first, for perjury. Looks like the more direct path.
Another realistic approach is, just contain Trump until 2020, then vote him out and immediately arrest. Don Jr can go to jail before that.
When your toilet paper has a piece of shit stuck to it.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
You're going to have to do a lot better than, "I did NOT break both my legs, I only broke one! So I can walk just fine!" :-)
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Thre's plenty of evidence for how he sucks off the Saudis and Israel in exchange for their sweet, sweet, money, which would be a slam dunk if 98% of Congress wasn't with him in backing those tyrants.
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I am entitled to my opinion. My opinion is that Kavanaugh is an angry abusive drunk, no question in my mind whatsoever.
This is the problem. They have gotten you to make a determination based on "how you feel", rather than "what you know". They tell you a story that you can connect to personal events in your own life, and whammo, it must be "true"!
Dangerous. This allows anyone willing to provide false witness the ability to sell any situation they want, and change anything they want in their favor. Facts matter for a reason.
He said/she said arguments are among the most difficult things we have to deal with. Both sides might be a little right, a little wrong, or it may be way lopsided, but when there isn't any factual evidence - how the hell do you judge? "The most convincing"? Liars *love* that. If you are willing to drop requirements for substantial evidence because someone is simply "more convincing", you're launching yourself down the slippery slope on a sled covered in spikes.
There's this famous saying that anybody can be investigated and found guilty of a felony with a few hours work.
So obviously with the vigorous witch hunt of an 'independent counsel' all sorts of crimes can be tracked down. It worked with both the Clinton and the Trump administrations. All sorts of petty graft and crime can be uncovered, particularly if the bounds of investigation are left wide open so that irrelevant side cases can be swept into the net.
98% doesn't really constitute a 'conspiracy.'
That's more a matter of loony delusion. Hi loon!
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There is no doubt in my mind
There's no room for doubt in such a tiny mind.
I didn't notice that, but I did notice
"I know you are, but what am I!"
Just give it up, dude.
Whipslash and EditorDavid are the site owners. The others are volunteer lackies whose positions and rep don't matter. When they're selling adspace on Slashdot, the grownups answer the phone.
A 'why Donald Trump must go to prison' link from DailyKos.
Hmm. I didn't even have to click it. A mouseover was enough.
I imagine the reek of urine on that site must be overwhelming today. No, I'm not going to check for myself.
How dare he be mad
Blubbering about his calendar for crying out loud. You bought this snivelling belly crawling embarrassment, you own him.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Yeah, those "blemishes" are from this thing called puberty.
Yeah, right, never saw zits like that. They look more like pre-cancerous things. And just on one side of his face. And his whole face is bent, mouth twisted one way and eyes twisted the other. I mean, normally you'd just quickly forget such things, but this is your angry, lying, abusive, drunken, partisan, gambling addict judge here.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Why should Trump not go to prison if he is a criminal? Is Trump above the law, like a king?
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
right here.
There's also numerous emoluments clause violations that are so blatant that the question isn't "Is he guilty" it's "have be abandoned the rule of law". You can google them, it's not hard.
As for Trump himself, that's coming. We're taking down the most powerful man on earth. One who gave billions of dollars to the 1% who would like very much for that gravy train to continue. You can't just throw together a case overnight. He'll ignore the impeachment and the current SCOTUS will let it slide.
Go read up on Nixon. It took a while to bring the pain.
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And now he's appointed for life :)
Winning!
Da komrade, winning if you are Russian.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
The problem is, unless Mueller knows something we dont (and thats quite plausible). there isnt much evidence Pence knew much of whatever was going on regarding the financing and possibly foreign collaboration in the campaign. I mean he might have, but I get the feeling this is mostly about Trump and his inner circle. And since Pence is next in line in the case of the president being removed, he'll be made president and in a position to just pardon the shit out of things. Hell even if Pence goes down, theres a whole conga line of assholes in place to take the role and then pardon. Theres just nothing in the constitution to force a new election.And thats something that really needs to change.
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
2020 is the year of the next presidential election. When Trump goes, Pence goes. No pardon power. Bang, arrested.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Good point. Now Trump put an unrepentant rapist on the supreme court.
Trump put a man on the supreme court who was and still is accused of rape, before the accusations went to a court, and before the were refuted.
Obviously you wouldn't want a rapist in that position. I also wouldn't want one in that position who hasn't been found at least "more likely to be innocent".
Why should Trump not go to prison if he is a criminal? Is Trump above the law, like a king?
Because he's not a criminal.
You are just fantasizing about making your political opposition criminal. The only countries that actually do that are full on dictatorships and various banana republics.
None of this stuff you lust for is going to happen.
Why should Trump not go to prison if he is a criminal? Is Trump above the law, like a king?
Because he's not a criminal.
We must agree to disagree. Meanwhile, Mueller and others already know with certainty.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
You are just fantasizing about making your political opposition criminal.
The truth is, Trump and his followers have done a lot of that in the last several years, too. All the 'Lock her up' chants at rallies, etc.
It's banana republics that lock up the 'opposition' after the election is over. Thank goodness that impulse on the part of Trump's group has been toned down.
It's good trolling bait, however.
Oh boohoo. Are the cops supposed to ignore the dead body in the hall when they search your house for weed they could smell? Pro tip- if you don't want to be found guilty, don't fucking commit the crime asshole.
You're going to have to do a lot better than, "I did NOT break both my legs, I only broke one! So I can walk just fine!" :-)
You're going to have to do far better then a witness that claims they saw gangrapes(felony), didn't report it(felony), went back multiple times(conspiracy), and did so as an adult in a house full of minors apparently(got several felonies on that one - especially since she claimed she was screwing people there).
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Yeah, right, never saw zits like that. They look more like pre-cancerous things. And just on one side of his face. And his whole face is bent, mouth twisted one way and eyes twisted the other. I mean, normally you'd just quickly forget such things, but this is your angry, lying, abusive, drunken, partisan, gambling addict judge here.
Except they're not zits. They're a type of pockmark, you know something that was very common on people prior to say 1990. Maybe you should go look at some other pictures instead of the ones presented in media articles? Give you a hint, as to why publications use pictures like that. It's to make you think exactly as you have, react exactly like you have.
But if we're going to go with unbridled allegations, I'm sure you can explain your wife beating and child rapes. ...Right?
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Except they're not zits. They're a type of pockmark
Pockmarks if you like, pockmarks that look like pre-cancer. And on only one side of his face, the side he always tries to turn away from the camera. And then his whole skull seems to be bent, so his mouth is twisted one way and his eyes are twisted the other. Just a very creepy face if you happen to look at it.
I guess, Kavanaugh's mind is also twisted and has per-cancerous pockmarks. Your guy.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
This guy holds to the constitution exactly as a biggot holds to the flag
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.